America’s Iran Policy, the Undermining of International Order, and the Bankruptcy of Washington’s Approach to Nuclear Diplomacy

 

In “America’s Iran Policy and the Undermining of International Order,” published in The World Financial Review, see here, we argue that “strategic competition between America and Iran will shape not only the Middle East’s balance of power, but also the dynamics of international order through much of the 21st century.”  As we elaborate,

“How Washington deals with Tehran will show whether America is open to sharing the prerogatives of global governance with rising powers in the global South.  Such openness would greatly enhance prospects for conflict resolution with Iran; as the balance of economic and political power shifts from West to East, it would also enhance prospects for more effective global governance by aligning responsibility and capacity more accurately.  Furthermore, it would help sustain America’s influence even as its relative power declines. 

But Washington and a coterie of European states remain focused on forcing the Islamic Republic to abandon its nuclear program, accept open-ended American and Israeli military dominance, and acquiesce in its (Western-sponsored) secular liberal transformation.  Determination to compel Iran’s surrender prompts ever more assiduous efforts by America and its partners to coerce other states into helping them press TehranIn the process, Western powers violate basic principles of the rules-based regimes governing key dimensions of international security and global commerce

This dynamic makes negotiating plausible solutions with Tehran, on the nuclear issue and other challenges, virtually impossible.  It also makes U.S. foreign policy the biggest source of political risk in the global economy.  More broadly, hegemonic assertions by America and a few European partners are increasingly at odds with the realities of relative clout in world affairs.  If continued, these assertions will provoke backlash from rising non-Western powers that will undermine the functioning of rules-based regimes for nuclear nonproliferation, trade, and other vital issues, and damage America’s long-term position in international affairs.” 

In our article, we explore in greater depth how Western obsession with compelling Iran’s surrender on the nuclear issue corrodes the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and the nuclear nonproliferation regime.  We also explore how America’s increasing reliance on secondary sanctions in its Iran policy undercuts international economic order and hurts U.S. interests in multiple ways, including by “accelerat[ing] the shift of economic power from West to East.”  We conclude,

“Putting America on a better strategic trajectory will take thoroughgoing revision of its Iran policy.  In this regard, the election of Hassan Rohani—who ran the Islamic Republic’s Supreme National Security Council for sixteen years, was its chief nuclear negotiator during 2003-2005, and holds advanced degrees in Islamic law and civil law—as Iran’s next president is an opportunity.  If America wants a nuclear deal grounded in the NPT, Rohani is an ideal interlocutorBut this would require Washington to bring its own policy in line with the NPT—first of all, by acknowledging Iran’s right to safeguarded enrichment

Strategic recovery will also entail reversing Washington’s reliance on secondary sanctions—not because of Iranian surrender (which won’t be forthcoming), but because they delegitimize America’s claim to continuing leadership in international economic affairs.  This, however, is even more difficult than revising the U.S. position on Iranian enrichment—for Congress has legislated conditions for lifting sanctions that stipulate Iran’s abandonment of all alleged WMD activities, cutting all ties to those Washington deems terrorists, and political transformation.  Overcoming this will require Obama to do what President Nixon did to enable America’s historic breakthrough with China—going to Tehran, strategically if not physically, to accept a previously demonized political order as a legitimate entity representing legitimate national interests.   

None of this is particularly likely.  But if America doesn’t do these things, it commends itself to a future as an increasingly failing, and flailing, superpower—and as an obstacle, rather than a facilitator, of rules-based international order.” 

Since our article was published, Rohani has been inaugurated as the Islamic Republic’s president and has announced his choices for the cabinet and other key positions.  Commenting on the nomination of Mohammad Javad Zarif as the Islamic Republic’s foreign minister, Flynt told CCTV on the day of Rohani’s inauguration, see here or click on the embedded video above, that Zarif’s appointment contains an important message for Washington:

If you want to do a deal that’s based on international legality, based on the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, based on a sense of respect for Iran’s legitimate interests and rights, then, with the appointment of Ambassador Zarif to be the new foreign minister, Rohani—and, by extension, the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei—they’re putting the ‘A team’ in there, they’re putting the best possible team that the United States could have on the other side of the table.”       

Unfortunately, though, “the Obama administration and its Western partners are looking to Rohani—I think mistakenly—as someone who may be willing to suspend enrichment, possibly even down the road surrender enrichment.”  If the United States and its partners persist in this,

“We’re going to head toward diplomatic deadlock pretty quickly…You have a team here that sees potentially great value for Iran in reaching some kind of rapprochement with the United States and with the West.  But it will be a big mistake, on the West’s part, if we think that they’re prepared to do it at what basically any Iranian elite would tell you at this point would be too high a price.  They won’t suspend enrichment; they certainly won’t surrender enrichment.” 

–Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett

 

169 Responses to “America’s Iran Policy, the Undermining of International Order, and the Bankruptcy of Washington’s Approach to Nuclear Diplomacy”

  1. fyi says:

    All:

    Why there could no longer be any resolution:

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-02-060813.html

  2. James Canning says:

    Saeed Jalili told the Financial Times that enriching to higher level than that needed to provide fuel for nuclear power plants was not especially important to Iran. I think this statement is obviously correct.

  3. James Canning says:

    “We’ve never officially and fully come to terms with this ruinous war [illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003] – – one of the longest in our history – – and the myriad fault points in the reasoning behind it.”
    – – Graydon Carter, Vanity Fair (magazine) September 2013

  4. James Canning says:

    Eliot Engel, a Demcrat in the US Congress, is unhappy that Obama’s top general sees little good the US can accomplish by military intervention in Syria.

  5. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    August 6, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    So basically this has come to Iran giving up the revolution and political Shiaism before sanctions might be lifted as per the article. Even that seems not to be sure.

    Let’s see how Iran responds. As you, I and others have been saying here, the only way for sanctions to be lifted is for Iran to develop a nuclear arsenal. Only then after years or maybe even decades, US-China kind of deal can be made. Let’s not forget, China was already nuclear armed and had fought multiple proxy wars (defeating US in those wars) before US went to China.

    Yesterday US senators wrote a letter to Obama voicing their support for the toughest sanctions act passed by Congress last week, urging Obama to sign it once the senate sends it to him. Senate is right now in recess and will initiate the proceeding for the toughest sanction act in history on 9th of September and Obama will have no choice but to sign it before the 27th of September when United Nation General Assembly debates start up. It will be a very special gift for Rouhani and his appeasement policy. Basically US has come to conclustion that it has already won. The sanctions are working and people of Iran are crying: “daddy daddy stop”, while US is flogging them.

    Here is an excerpt from that letter noting that Rouhani’s success in election was due to effects of sanctions with Iranians crying for their mommy while US is raping them:

    “We hope such a surprising and convincing electoral outcome will persuade Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to abandon Iran’s nuclear weapons quest,” the senators wrote. “But until we see a significant slowdown of Iran’s nuclear activities, we believe our nation must toughen sanctions and reinforce the credibility of our option to use military force at the same time as we fully explore a diplomatic solution to our dispute with Iran.”

  6. Smith says:

    As has become increasingly evident, the white man understands only the language of nuke tipped long range missiles.

    Any other language specially of a conciliatory tone or worse appeasement triggers sadistic urge of rape and plunder in him.

    Iran is now in great danger. I have to emphasize on the urgency of Iran starting to build a nuclear arsenal before the white man takes it out of his pants.

  7. James Canning says:

    Smith,

    You would do well simply to comprehend Obama will not allow Iran to build nukes.

  8. James Canning says:

    The Guardain Aug. 6th has excellent report on Rouhani’s desire for contructive dialogue to end the nuclear dispute, and his comment that warmonger groups in the US are pressuring US Congress to try to block any deal. Fair statement, of course.

  9. Sineva says:

    Yet again you say “allow” james,it is not up to the us to “allow” iran anything,if iran decides to produce a nuclear deterrent of its own there will be nothing that the us can do about it,or perhaps you think that the us “allowed” the dprk to develop its nuclear deterrent,in truth the us had little to no choice in the matter,attacking the dprk would have unleashed a terrible retaliation from the north,attacking irans program,which is far more robust and well protected than the norths was,would not only provoke a military retaliation from iran but would also give iran all the excuse it needs to leave the npt.One gets the impression that you think the west has every right to dictate terms and issue ultimatums and that if iran was smart it would seek to appease the west

  10. masoud says:

    I’m not as sure as Flynt is that Rouhani is unwilling to negotiate a surrender.

  11. masoud says:

    It’s pretty much a given that Ahmadinejad had to be appointed to the Expediency council. More than anything else, it’s a ceremonial body, former high ranking government officials from the entire political spectrum are are appointed to it.

    The big question is, what is going to happen in the Supreme National Security Council? Rouhani can’t serve as one of Khameini’s representatives. Who will Khameini appoint to replace him?

    He should appoint someone from the previous government. If not Ahmadinejad himself, then at least someone like Mostafa Mohammad Najjar, Ali Akbar Salehi, or Fereydoon Abbasi.

  12. masoud says:

    How great would it be if Rouhani was able to dig deep to find some geirat and appoint Fereydoon Abbasi as the secretary general of the national security council?

    I’d love to be a fly on the wall during those discussions.

  13. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    fyi (also Empty),

    Wrong again. Read what the hosts wrote in their article:

    “strategic competition between America and Iran will shape not only the Middle East’s balance of power, but also the dynamics of international order through much of the 21st century.”

    The whole world…100 years…

    The model established by Imam Khomeini- Islamic democracy, Islamic Republic and a revived Islamic civilization- is already replacing western secular modernity and civilization.

    The longer the US-Israel-Takfiri Saudi axis insists, the more Muslims will begin to follow the school of Ahlul Bayt.

  14. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    masoud-jan,

    Ghalat karde to negotiate a surrender. As the lame ministerial appointments showed, Rohani doesn’t have the bayzatayn to stand up to Rafsanjani and Kargozaran. Don’t expect much on NSC appointment.

    As somebody put it well: Doulate mohre sookhte-ha va fossil-ha

    What’s interesting is that Kadkhodai gave an interview on rajanews (won’t let me post link) where he says that initially Rohani did not have enough votes in the Guardian Council but that Ayat. Jannati convinced others to change their vote and let him run…hmmm interesting.

    Don’t worry, Agha has set out the framework and Rohani will stay within it even if the losers around him will put pressure on him.

    How the Majlis acts will be very important. Most of the sheep- sorry, I mean representatives- will do as Ali Khan Larijani orders them to. You know still have that peasant mentality vis-a-vis the khan. And hey, he promised new offices for all of them in Tehran and in their home district. Chashm qorban!

    Like I said, forget S-300, Mahmud-jann running in 4 years…now that’s the real game-changer! So that of course means that Pour-Mohammadi as the new justice minister (but really from intel ministry, psshhhh, don’t tell anyone!) has too quickly open some criminal file on Ahmadinejad so that that can be the excuse of the Guardian Council to disqualify him in 4 years.

    See how that works…

  15. masoud says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    August 7, 2013 at 12:22 am

    The bit about Abbasi as the head of the NSC was just flight of fancy. Of course Rohani wouldn’t ever do anything as sensible and constructive as that.

    The biggest reason for the dysfunction of the entire system is the Guardian Council, and until the fossils manning that station are replaced, there’s little hope for sustained long term progress.

    The only real hope I have for the next four years is that the Leader intervenes in Parliament to give Rouhani exactly the cabinet he asks for, at least as far as foreign policy and strategic matters are concerned. When Rouhani’s wakes up one fine morning to find that his loving overtures to the West have left him staring down the wrong end of a blow job, I wouldn’t want him to be able to blame anyone but himself.

    Wouldn’t the idiot conservative establishment have done better to accept Mashaei, with all his eccentricities? Up until now, it’s been a bridge too far to hope that conservatives would be able to buck the awful and self interested leadership epitomized by Larijani. I hope Rohani is successful enough to create an insurection in their ranks.

  16. Empty says:

    Bussed-in Basiji,

    RE: “The longer the US-Israel-Takfiri Saudi axis insists, the more Muslims will begin to follow the school of Ahlul Bayt.”

    Insha’allah with determination, steadfastness, and very hard work on our part. We have a lot to do and we need to be very precise and wise (God Willing). I hope you have enough supply of coffee for the next 50 years. Many nights to stay up.

  17. Empty says:

    Smith,

    RE: “we believe our nation must toughen sanctions and reinforce the credibility of our option to use military force at the same time as we fully explore a diplomatic solution to our dispute with Iran.”

    1. The way they have worded the letter and emphasized the phrase “our dispute”, if somebody didn’t know, s/he would have thought Iran has occupied Long Island, New York, or the Islands of Hawaii or something to cause a “dipute”.

    2. The following part is also amusing: “reinforce the credibility of our option to use military force.” A little insecure about the credibility, one might infer from their statement.

  18. A-B says:

    So the Imperial ‘one trick pony’ repeats the same stuff again and again … and again. That’s why I thought Netanyahu’s misquoting Rohani was almost a godsend. It’s too late to take it back after it just confirmed the whole “wipe off the map” thing was exploited to terrorize the world. The cul-de-sac with P5+1 is of course another example of the habitual trick of this pony. These are all good signs.

    Another good sign: A ‘masochist’-turned-opportunist ex-Iranian ‘pundit’ like Trita Parsi, who pretty much saw any Iranian action as sign of “working sanctions” and the ‘willpower’ of Israel, has now, after – for him unexpected – election of Rohani as president, acknowledged the complex system of the Islamic Republic, and unabashedly changed position and in this holier-than-thou attitude attacks Washington Post. It makes you LOL!!

    Why does Washington always get Iran wrong?
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/06/2013630111133190971.html

    Why sanctions on Iran are not working
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/05/2013515121958344336.html

    So, the time of this West’s posturing is over! It is good to use, say, Freudian ‘vernacular’ to show how the victim of a victimizer that clearly abides by the rules of Freud, would feel and SHOULD react. Or to put it differently; the Sadist’s M/O is used to expose the West’s behavior – and thus provoke change – NOT to give the Sadist the satisfaction that the sadism is working!!

    So, to quote Bob Dylan (ONLY the good parts); “the times they are a-changin”

    Come writers and critics
    Who prophesize with your pen
    And keep your eyes wide
    The chance won’t come again
    And don’t speak too soon
    For the wheel’s still in spin
    And there’s no tellin’ who
    That it’s namin’
    For the loser now
    Will be later to win
    For the times they are a-changin’.

    Come senators, congressmen
    Please heed the call
    Don’t stand in the doorway
    Don’t block up the hall
    For he that gets hurt
    Will be he who has stalled
    There’s a battle outside
    And it is ragin’
    It’ll soon shake your windows
    And rattle your walls
    For the times they are a-changin’.

  19. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Empty-jan,

    Tea…lots of it…from the lush green mountains of Gilan.

    Forget English and Chinese, Arabic is the language of future tabligh. We’ve come full circle.

    masoud-jan,

    The usulgarah’s problems are much deeper than Mashaie or not.

    The problem is that one group considers Rafsanjani and his crew as the embodiment of nefaq and fesad. The other group considers any criticism of Rafsanjani as the epitome of bi-taqvai. And it’s been like this since the beginning of the revolution.

    Mahmud-jan did some things and said some things which gave an excuse to pro-Raf usulis they were waiting for to begin the character assassinations. In the end Mahmud painted himself into a corner and also discredited anyone who was criticizing Raf and his crew like Rohani.

    It was a very very big mistake by Mahmud to so stubbornly- like a donkey- stick with Mashai and alienate people like Lankarani, Mahsuli, Mir-Kazemi, Safar-Haranadi, Haddad and Nabavi. These people had gotten far within the usulis to convince the pro-Rafs to turn a new page.

    But by the last Majlis elections and after the Moslehi dismissal/Rahbar reinstatement fiasco- everything was done for Mahmud. Who could still defend him with a straight face in internal usuli discussions after all that?

    And the pro-Raf usulis like Larijani, Bahonar, Pour Mohammadi, Rohani etc. took full advantage of this and completely changed the political discourse- both within the elites and and among the electorate.

    I hope Mahmud-jan takes some time to reflect on some of his mistakes in “people management”. At the same time there is no doubt that his admin was the best admin we have had in the history of Iran in terms of building infrastructure, helping the poor and development outside the capital- things with enormous consequences for the future of Iran.

    The Ahmadinejad admin was the first admin in Iranian history that was not from the elites, khans and aghazadeh-ha. The khans and aghazadeh-ha had to do something that the people would never chenin ghalati ro dobare anjam bedan. And they were unfortunately partially successful in achieving this. But Mahmud-jan is also partially to blame for this as well.

  20. fyi says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:

    August 6, 2013 at 11:58 pm

    Not at all; I predicted that the US-Iran estrangement will continue for 4 generations – at the very least.

  21. fyi says:

    Empty says:

    August 7, 2013 at 3:19 am

    That is not even pious hope.

    In fact, it is not even clear yet if Iranians are not going to revert back to their previous state if Axis Powers presuures against them are removed.

  22. fyi says:

    masoud says:

    August 7, 2013 at 1:01 am

    You are looking at the symptoms of a social-political malaise; a zero-sum approach to politics and every thing and every one; informed by a heightened sense of envy and malice at all levels and in all walks of life.

  23. Karl.. says:

    James
    August 6, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Please stop that supremacy talk, not only is it wrong, its way too repetetive.

  24. Rd. says:

    Smith says:

    “We hope such a surprising and convincing electoral outcome will persuade Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to abandon Iran’s nuclear weapons quest,” the senators wrote.

    So the senators are actually confirming IRI as the legitimate and representative government of Iranians!!!

  25. Empty says:

    fyi,

    RE: “In fact, it is not even clear yet if Iranians are not going to revert back to their previous state if Axis Powers presuures against them are removed.”

    Well, on that, I am really counting on AIPAC and Zionist lobbys to do a very good job preventing an easing of sanctions. As you may be painfully aware, absence of sanctions, there is not enough “senjed” in the world that can cure Iranians’ age old problem with their metaphorical rear end.

  26. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    fyi,

    Yes which means that the Islamic Republic, Islamic democracy and Islamic civilization are “an alternative” for the next 100 years at least. All rooted in the traditional hawza culture and COMMUNITIES of central Iran.

    The majority of Muslims will be following the school of Ahlul Bayt within the next 2 generations as will tens of millions of others around the world who have and will have converted.

    Heard of (Sean) Ali Stone? (…”Sang-Ali” to his friends apparently)

  27. Photi says:

    Smith,

    re: As has become increasingly evident, the white man understands only the language of nuke tipped long range missiles.

    I see you are still as pleasant as always.

    Racism, even when directed at “whites”, is still racism.

    The motivations of greed,power and ideology extend much deeper into the human psyche than does skin color. If you think otherwise, then please tell us what sort of behaviors are hereditary when people are born “brown” or “black” or “red”? If we accept as true your assumptions about the white people and their “need” to dominate and rape, then can we also assume there is something “brown” about servitude and weakness?

    Or maybe we can assume you, Mr. Smith, have an inferiority complex about your own “brown-ness?”

  28. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Empty-jan,

    fyi says:

    “In fact, it is not even clear yet if Iranians are not going to revert back to their previous state if Axis Powers presuures against them are removed.”

    Said by somebody who hasn’t been in Iran in over 30 years. Would have been nice if he had made an “exploratory visit” to the old country at least before opining.

    As the plastic surgeon said to the gender-change patient after the surgery: “Who can’t turn back the cock”. (Get it? BTW gender-change operations permitted sharan per Imam Khomeini’s fatwa from the 1960s- wait, did somebody say “modernity”?)

    masoud-jan,

    fyi says:

    “You are looking at the symptoms of a social-political malaise; a zero-sum approach to politics and every thing and every one; informed by a heightened sense of envy and malice at all levels and in all walks of life.”

    OK so let’s just abandon this crap and seek exile in the US, right? Cause non of that malaise, envy, malice exists anywhere else, right? There is no such things as the community, only individuals, right?

    If you don’t like the community you’re born into, just move to a community “that’s better”. Voila, it’s that simple.

    Let’s call it “fatherland shopping” or “motherland pageant” or maybe “patriotic selection”.

    America’s been running this scheme very successfully for the last 200 plus years. Like the old con-men used to say: “There’s a sucker born every minute..step right up…we got something for everyone…”

  29. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    A-B-jan,

    A more appropriate song:

    Black Sabbath “War Pigs”:

    Generals gathered in their masses
    Just like witches at black masses
    Evil minds that plot destruction
    Sorcerers of death’s construction
    In the fields the bodies burning
    As the war machine keeps turning
    Death and hatred to mankind
    Poisoning their brainwashed minds, oh Lord, yeah!

    Politicians hide themselves away
    They only started the war
    Why should they go out to fight?
    They leave that all to the poor, yeah!

    Time will tell on their power minds
    Making war just for fun
    Treating people just like pawns in chess
    Wait ’till their judgement day comes, yeah!

    Now in darkness, world stops turning
    Ashes where their bodies burning
    No more war pigs have the power
    Hand of god has struck the hour
    Day of judgement, god is calling
    On their knees, the war pigs crawling
    Begging mercy for their sins
    Satan, laughing, spreads his wings, oh Lord, yeah!

  30. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    You object to a statement of the obvious? Or, are you trying to imply Obama is not serious?

    The options actually available are to make a deal, even if not satisfactory in the short term. Or stay the course, which is even less satisfactory.

    What is “supremacist” talk?

  31. James Canning says:

    Financial Times today reported Rohani’s overture to the West, but did not mention his comment that warmongering groups were pressuring US Congress to block any deal. The Guardian did report that comment.

  32. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Fine report in the Guardian you linked, regarding Richard Dalton’s scathing criticism for George W, Bush’s nonsensical “axis of evil” formulation, and Dalton’s taking Blair to task for deceiving the public about Iran’s role in Iraq after the illegal US invasion.

  33. James Canning says:

    A-B,

    The Washington Post has been a propaganda organ of neocon warmongers for many years now. Its influence has done a good deal to esnure the US does not act in its own best interests in the Middle East, all too often. Especially in matters related to Israel.

    Maybe Jeff Bezos will change things at the Post.

  34. James Canning says:

    Sineva,

    I have time and again attacked American stupidity in its dealings with Iran.

    Where do you get the idea I thing it is “right”, or “moral”, for the US to act so stupidly?

  35. James Canning says:

    Obama has cancelled the summit with Putin, due to Snowden affair. Not a good thing, in my view.

  36. Karl.. says:

    James

    No I ask you why you keep supporting Obama. Putting him on pedistal of some reason. Iran cant do this Iran cant do that you say, Iran isnt ruled by the US, dont you comprehend?

  37. Rd. says:

    James Canning says:

    “Maybe Jeff Bezos will change things at the Post.”

    You mean the very same Bezos who is involved with the surveillance state and many millions dollars in profit from it!! oh yes, there will be change alright!!! moer profits and more surveillance ..

  38. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    August 7, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    “Where do you get the idea I thing it is “right”, or “moral”, for the US to act so stupidly?”

    The Leveretts have it right on the spot.

    The US are pursuing neocolonial policies.
    The US are after full spectrum dominance and supremacy.
    The US are after denying the South and othef countries ad well thrir badic dovereign rights.

    The US are not doing that for the greater good but for selfish greed and lust for power.

    In adfition the US are implementing such strategic goal through criminal policies as defined by all standards.

    Namely through crime against peace.
    Through diktats, embargo and mass murder.
    Through war (drone) crimes.
    Through supporting the most backward, racist and heinous regimes.
    Through massive orwellian surveillance state.
    Through their domestic repressive state.

    I would say that you are a sorry lot, should the US crimes be less dramatic and their continuous agressive, lawless, faithless policies less prone to trigget a major world conflict.

    However, your position by the lack of condemnation of US entreprise truly make you a zealous sidekick to fascist policies.

    At the end of the day the means used and implemented by the US have their importance. Not for you obviously.

    No surprise while you are a disgusting imoral supremacist.

  39. nico says:

    http://edition.presstv.ir/iphone/detail.aspx?id=317694
    British PM meets Bahraini dictator

    Mr Canning,

    Do you see that as stupid, normal or definitely disgusting and imoral ?

    The issue is that you think you are smart and classy with your typical British composure and double speech.
    But make no mistake, nobody is deceived by your typically British duplicity and venomous stances.

    Not called Perfidious Albion for centuries for nothing.

  40. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    Of course the PM would meet the King of Bahrain on a visit to London.

    What do you think Britain could do, to help resolve the problems in that country?

  41. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    I find it interesting you regard as “disgusting” my criticism of American mistakes in its relations with Iran. Curious situation.

  42. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    Where on earth do you get the idea I “put Obama on a pedestal”?

    In fact, I agree with Philip Stephens of the Financial Times, who wrote July 26th: “As for Barack Obama, when did the US president last take a big political risk to match up to those fine speeches?”

  43. Sineva says:

    James Canning says:
    August 7, 2013 at 2:04 pm
    None the less you still seem to think that iran needs the “approval” of america and its minions to pursue its rights

  44. Sineva says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    August 7, 2013 at 1:20 pm
    That brings back memories

  45. fyi says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:

    August 7, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    800 years of being asleep cannot be overcome in 40 years.

    The 25 predominantly Christian states of North America, Europe, and Oceania are still the most creative civilization on the planet.

    The United States remains the single most creative country in the world with Germany, France, and Japan distant seconds.

    Foreigners, such as Indians, move to US and all of a sudden become inventive and creative – because the Western Culture values that.

    There are men I have personally known from the United States who spent the best years of their youth studying Budhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc. They would enter, as it were, into a dialogue with an alien civilization – often quite backward – because of personal interest. Not for them the arrogant sloth of “We have nothing to learn from these people.”

    Among all the foreigners that I have seen in the US universities, I do not believe I have ever seen anyone studying Christianity, or US History, or Chinese at the doctoral level.

    Indians, Turks, Chinese, Iranians, Japanese, Indians and others have been and are only interested in learning the instrumentalities of the Western Civilization but never the philosophical religious and spiritual values that ungirth it.

    I think it is for this reason that Japanese and Korrans of this world have reached a certain level of material and cultural progress but cannot seem to go beyond it; they cannot go beyond the rudimentary instrumentalism of what they have learnt.

    Japan is a good example; the native Japanese musical tradition disappeared in Japan’s encounter with Western Civilization and Japanese went on to produce excellent musicians – but could never produce anything in Classical Music – and their International Pop ditties are as memorable as a the flavor of a chewing gum.

    Likewise for Korea.

    Now, you posit that a revived Islamic Civilization is going to surpass the Western Civilization.

    I find that hard to credit; not when you can only do philosophy in Tehran, not when you have no desire to study alien people and cultures and certainly not when you do not reward initiative, creativity, and risk-taking (except perhpas among the Pasdaran).

    I am reminded of this personage – almost certainly an actual person – writen of Nikos Kazentzakis – a young Japanese woman speaking of how the future belonged to the Yellow Race and Japan circa late 1920s.

    Mostly Bravado with little substance as US proceeded to crush the Empire of Japan.

  46. Avg American says:

    I continue to read this blog with an addiction! There are truly some very nice and thoughtful comments and information. I wanted to give my point of view, because it seems as though most individuals on this site are either not living in the US or have not lived here. I do live in the USA and am a citizen. Some comments can almost be tearful to read to say the least, because there is so much truth to them. It is sad to see that the population of Iran continues to be affected by American sanctions. I am sorry for any suffering it has caused to the Iranian people. Obviously, it has not crushed their spirit or minds because I can see that this is a very intelligent population indeed.

    My feeling is that these sanctions and treatment that the US govnt (specifically congress) conveys on Iran are absolutely unjust and actually quite immoral. However, I am also sad to say I believe that these congressmen passing these sanctions don’t really care one way or another, and all they really care about is their personal bank account and what methods they must do to ensure re-election. Someone I believe on this website previously posted a link to an article that something like 77 % of Americans would like to see the US congress entirely replaced. Not surprising.

    I personally have been able to travel to many places in the world and came to a point that I thought the US and all its people were just awful, despite having grown up here. However, over time I have met some very kind people here too and I am regretful for thinking this in the past. I believe that a lot of US citizens would not want Iran to be treated the way the US govnt is them, if Americans only knew the truth. However, media here reports what and how it wants to. I just feel that the American people are so unfairly represented by their govnt. these days. This is one of the primary reasons I read this site as well. I believe becoming aware of how America is viewed by other countries should be a good way to self – critique its behavior. Obviously America has failed terribly at this.
    Flynt and Hilary Leverett have been very brave to support this cause, but honestly I can see why they do it. America needs to look at itself in the mirror, its not a pretty sight.

  47. Karl.. says:

    James

    At August 6, 2013 at 4:20 pm you put obama on a pedistal.

    Iran want UK to end their nuclear weapons programme. Why hasnt UK done this? Could it be because UK dont take orders from Iran? Now, why do you think Iran must taking orders from the US?

  48. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    fyi,

    I think there are very few countries and societies in the world in which the desire to learn about everything and everyone is as big as in Iran- and encouraged so by the leadership, government and culture.

    Just yesterday SL had a meeting with uni professors stressing that the future of Iran- including its military and economic power- is based on the expansion of ilm and Iran becoming a global leader in ilm.

    As usual you are detached from reality in Iran and make statements based on circumstances 30 years ago not today. There might not be a society in the world who has had such rapid growth in science and knowledge as Iran has experienced in the last 20 years. Get with the program!

    There is nothing mysterious as to why the immigrants you mentioned become successful (having been one myself I should know). It’s only and only because in the US- and more so in California- there is venture capital ready to accept the risk/gamble of investing in them. That’s it and nothing more. That’s what’s missing in Iran and most other places in the world. But that too is ending slowoly in the US.

    As we both agreed the problem in Iran is that there is very little venture capital that will accept risk, because the economic culture is either absentee landlordism or dalale bazaar. Otherwise everything else in place. And that’s why we both agree that the sanctions have been a great blessing for Iran.

    In fact that is one of the reasons that Sepah has been entering the economy especially in areas where other domestic and foreign market participants will not. It accepts high risk because it’s culture is based on Imam Ali (as).

    So for me it’s clear that as the American society is morally declining, as its economy is turned into casino capitalism, as the politicians are increasingly corrupt, as the state is becoming worse than anything that George Orwell could have imagined, as so-called democracy is sold to the highest bidder, as all the virtues that were once good about America are replaced by aggressive ignorant greed and that the exact opposite movement is happening in Iran- this leads me to the conclusion that the future is Islamic democracy, the Islamic Republic of Iran and Islamic civilization- of course sans takfiri cannibals funded by ale Saud and US and Zionists.

    As usual we are fighting the devils in the region that the US unleashes (remember Saddam) to improve the life productivity and well being of the people here- and as usual who are not helping us and pontificate from afar safe secure in the bosom of the devils that have never done anything good for anyone but themselves. Thanks buddy.

    As usual you compare apples with oranges by bringing up historical analogies- Qajar and now Imperial Japan. As Imam Sadeq (as) said: don’t use analogies in your reasoning because it has no knowledge value.

    You are not familiar with the realities of the Islamic Republic and in order to compensate for this lack of understanding you grasp for historical analogies that are not very relevant in order to keep your outdated theses from crumbling.

    It’s all about velayat- always was, always will be.

    It’s interesting how for the amount of praise you have for Imam Khomeini you did not stay and help him when he needed you the most.

    We are back to our basic problem, aren’t we.

  49. A-B says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    August 7, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    Yes, heavy stuff!! Ironic isn’t it; that even metal bands who seemingly openly flirt with ‘Satanism’ and sing (or growl) ode to despair have more soul than the Takfiris. And no matter how they try to appear hellish and allegedly behead bats or chickens on stage, they cannot make you feel as disgusted as when seeing some of these Takfiri savages clad all in black beheading human beings on Youtube. I’m sure the Evangelical Christians don’t mind the latter!!

  50. fyi says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:

    August 8, 2013 at 5:00 am

    “Analogy” is th, is my opinion, the most important way of generating new hypotheses and potentially new knowledge.

    Of course, venture capital is one aspect that does not exist in Iran, the other is the absence of something like the US Bankruptcy Laws which is 200 years old and dates back to the time before venture capital.

    What purpose does it serve to put debtors in jail?

    Now, those people who studies Budhism, or Islam, or Arabs, etc. lived years in honorable poverty; they studied to become scholars not because they some one gave them money to do so – they were interested in those topics and their societies supported them in multiple ways.

    The tradition of scholarship that I am referring to has existed among the Euro-Americans (and Russians) for several centuries. The best books written on Iranian history are written by them; the best commentary on Rumi was written by an Englishman and so on an so forth.

    Nothing like that tradition of scholarly knowledge for the sake of interest and knowledge of alien people and their ways exists outside of Euro-American region – excepting Japan in a small way.

    There is an absence of desire to know among non-Western societies; this much is certain.

    Your assertions are hopes, just that.

    Many many years ago, when in Iran, we used spread our carpets on the balcony and have our afternoon tea.

    After the Islamic Revolution, that was no longer possible due to the Hyper Religiosity of Iranians which went on its way to give birth to the Nekbat Islami; a kill-joy kind of environment unsuitable for people such as myself.

  51. BiBiJon says:

    fyi says:
    August 8, 2013 at 9:20 am

    I wonder if Euro-American scholars were ever treated like this.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2568059649001/zealot-author-reza-aslan-responds-to-critics/

  52. Rd. says:

    ” The Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD), which employs some of the most consistent advocates of crippling sanctions and hyping threats of military action against Iran, receives the majority of its funding from Home Depot funder Bernard Marcus, hedge funder Paul Singer and casino magnate Sheldon Adelson.”

    http://www.lobelog.com/meet-the-republican-mega-donors-funding-washingtons-iran-hawks/

  53. Empty says:

    Rd.,

    I think James Canning can find satisfaction in your post as the three gentlemen you listed are all Jews.

  54. James Canning says:

    Empty & Rd.,

    FDD is aggressive advocate of “support” for Israel right or wrong.

  55. James Canning says:

    Empty,

    Sheldon Adelson spent more than $100 million last year, promoting his notion that the Palestinians should disappear and let Israel keep the West Bank permanently.

  56. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    Iran needs to make its deal with the six powers (P5+1).

    I think Obama blundered when he cancelled his meeting with Putin.

    I have noted a number of times that Ian in my view can work out a deal with the P5+1. It would have to be in stages.

  57. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Japan had a magnificent empire. And of course likely could have kept it. But for blunder of attacking Britain, France, the US, & The Netherlands.

  58. James Canning says:

    Avg American,

    The average American cannot locate Iran on a map of the world. Or even a map of Asia.

    Many Americans are not even aware Iran and Iraq are different countries.

  59. James Canning says:

    Sineva,

    You know which countries comprise the P5+1. This is the group with which Iran needs to make a deal.

  60. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    August 8, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    There was nothing magnificint about the Empire of Japan; theirs was a brutal, un-liberral, racialist bigoted and ultimately destructive rule which only earned them permanent enmity of their former subjects.

    Japanese had no capacity to rule foreigners without brutality of their police and military; Britain had only 10,000 officlas at the height of her Empire in India.

  61. James Canning says:

    John McCain and Linsey Graham both called for cutting military aid to Egypt due to overthrow of Morsi. Aipac objected, and both senators changed their position. What a surprise.

  62. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    You are absolutely correct, that Japan’s empire was anything but magnificent, when it came to fair administration of justice, reasonable treatment of subject populations, etc etc etc etc.

    But Japan could have kept Korea, and Formosa (Taiwan), and other islands. But for insane attack on Britain, France, The Netherlands and the US.

  63. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    August 8, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Their insanity was attacking China.

  64. Rd. says:

    A few OpEds in Turkish daily’s.. now have to wait for the Sultan to come around…

    –Turkey’s miscalculations in the Middle East
    “As to the “road map for Egypt,” one gets the impression that rather than being “operative” in this regard, Ankara is hanging on to the coattails of others “

    –Moscow rejects Saudi offer to drop Assad for arms deal
    “Asked about the Putin-Bandar meeting, a Syrian politician said: “As was the case before with Qatar and Lavrov (in talks), Saudi Arabia thinks that politics is a simple matter of buying people or countries.”

    You can say, US congress has spoiled the saudies with their ‘pay as you go’ policy formulations.

    –Turkey needs less Middle East, more Europe

    –Putin to keep Syria line despite Turkish PM Erdoğan
    “Yet, Putin was clear and sharp when he said that Moscow had no intention of changing its current policy regarding Syria. “

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/

  65. Rd. says:

    Rd. says:
    August 8, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    should read;

    You can say, US congress has spoiled the saudies and zionists with their ‘pay as you go’ policy formulations.

  66. Avg American says:

    Mr. Canning says:
    “Avg American,

    The average American cannot locate Iran on a map of the world. Or even a map of Asia.

    Many Americans are not even aware Iran and Iraq are different countries.”

    I am very aware of this fact – and it is a fact -but I chose not to include it in my post(s). Why this is fact is a result of multiple reasons, primarily because of a lack of culture in so many areas of this society. My only recently posted opinion was to provide a point of view from an “american” – myself – that if many so called middle class Americans had the time or understanding of the real situation with regards to US middle east policies it might be a little harder for congress to do what they are doing. Also, I as a citizen have this continual feeling I have to apologize for myself being a US citizen anywhere else in the world but here! It should not be this way.

    I myself would have never found this book or blog IF I hadn’t had some time and curiosity to find out just why on earth this US middle east obsession has become the number one topic on all media sources in the US. I had some thoughts but really no confirmation. I myself wanted to obtain more diverse set of viewpoints with regard to US middle east policy to aid in my understanding of the situation. I did not want a US news source to “tell” me what point of view I should take.

    The US govnt is more or less an inhumane entity. I don’t like to characterize America like this but its true. I am not entirely sure why it has come to this state but it has. I thought initially Obama would change this somewhat – I am not convinced anymore. However, I can guarantee that just because the US behaves one way there are many people here who are kind and not greedy and power hungry individuals. When you are trying to feed a family and just get by day to day, power and greed are not really your priorities. I just felt like I had to point this out whether or not anyone cares.

  67. Fiorangela says:

    James Canning at 1:28

    “I think Obama blundered when he cancelled his meeting with Putin.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV4IjHz2yIo&feature=player_embedded

  68. James Canning says:

    Fiorangela,

    Fun video. (Putin singing American song)

  69. James Canning says:

    Avg American,

    You put your finger on it. Most Americans have other concerns. Knowing the difference between Iran and Iraq means nothing to them. They may be quite right that having concerns about fairness and justice in the Middle East etc etc etc would not change the equation much.

    The profound bias in most American news reporting on ME and Israel obviously is not an accident.

  70. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Yes, Japan’s war of conquest against China was huge blunder. Which Japan subsequently enlarged by attacking UK, US, France, The Netherlands. Guaranteeing defeat.

  71. Richard Steven Hack says:

    Special appearance…

    Israeli Troops Raid Lebanon, Four Injured in Explosion
    http://news.antiwar.com/2013/08/07/israeli-troops-raid-lebanon-four-injured-in-explosion/

    Israel ups the ante on Hizballah, no doubt in preparation for a new invasion once the US starts bombing Syria…

  72. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    fyi,

    If you don’t believe Imam Sadeq (as), try opening an introductory book on logic or epistemology to see that analogy has no epistemological value.

    I guess we figured out why your theories don’t hold water. There’s a reason why the analogy section was dropped form the SAT.

    fyi, fyi the law had changed in Iran and debtors no longer go to jail as in the past (with some exceptions). This was about 2 years ago.

    You should come to Iran and spend some time at the uni- or better in the hawza- and yo will see that you are misinformed about what you claim about the desire to learn in Iran. Can’t say more than that to you.

    Also,

    “Many many years ago, when in Iran, we used spread our carpets on the balcony and have our afternoon tea.

    After the Islamic Revolution, that was no longer possible due to the Hyper Religiosity of Iranians which went on its way to give birth to the Nekbat Islami; a kill-joy kind of environment unsuitable for people such as myself.”

    Like I said, you have no clue what you are talking about. Come to your homeland and see for yourself. I described the scenes of what’s been going on in the parks at midnight during Ramadhan. Stop living in 1982 or whenever you left.

  73. masoud says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    August 7, 2013 at 12:22 am,

    The conservative’s problem is actually the exact same as the reformists.

    They believe they represent the entire Iranian polity. They only represent a sliver of it. They are over represented in parliament due to the Guardian Council’s bungling of it’s responsibilities, and this goes to their head. It’s just as bad as the gharbzadeh loonies addiction to bbc. They believe they can do anything without consequence.

    It’s time for them to wake up and realize that if they want a president in power who is the coming of the Imam of the age, describes martyrdom as the highest possible form of art, and steadfastly supportsd the palestinian cause, he’ll also have to be someone who includes women in his cabinet, pushes to let them attend national football games, and revels in the greatness of Iran. There is after all, a reason Ali Khan runs as the representative of Qum, of all cities. Nor conservaties expect to be able to install someone in power with enough self respect and confidence on the one hand decently manage huge and unwieldy apparatus of the state, and on the other hand wouldn’t mind having his own offices bugged by his political rivals.

    I doubt anything would have been different if Ahmadinejad dumped Mashaei. They would have simply created a new boogie man out of Rahimi or someone else and demanded his head as well, rinse and repeat. Distancing himself from his own staff based on nothing other than the irrational demand of his rivals would merely have been an invitation to far greater abuse. It’s really not so different from the international situation.

    Looking forward though, it seems Rouhani is going full steam ahead with his drive at US detente. It’s hard to say for sure when this effort will be pronounced dead. I’d bet December. The only real question is how much Rouhani will be neglecting ties with the BRICS as part of this drive.

    And look at this:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/iran-blog/2013/aug/08/iran-political-prisoners-letter-to-obama

    Everyone who’s name appears on that list is a traitor of the highest order for waiting until their preferred candidate had assumed the presidency to make this appeal. Honestly, I just can’t understand how some people sleep at night.

  74. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Sineva,

    Yes from when before Oz was a bumbling baffoon…what a shame…good case study for why boozing is prohibited in Islam.

    A-B,

    The lyrics have “Quranic” imagery, if “Satan laughing spreads his wings” is metaphorical, then we even have ayat that say that satan will renounce all those who followed him on the day of judgement, as implied in the lyrics.

    Sura Hashr, Ayah 16
    Like Shaytan when he says to man: disbelieve. But when he disbelieves he says: truly I wash my hands of you, truly I fear Allah the Lord of the Worlds.

    Maybe Geezer read the Quran before writing the lyrics…

  75. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    masoud-jan,

    I agree that most usulis are lame asses. But you have to accept that one cannot do anything without them in Iran. That’s just the way it is.

    Ahmadinejad was/is great but he should have publicly distanced himself from Mashai when he became radioactive. And it’s also irrelevant why Mashai had become radioactive. He was and Mahmud stuck to him at the price of losing many of his strongest supporters. That was stupid politically and questionable ethically.

    I agree that the detente is a still birth but because of what Aqa explained: Amrika ziad aql saresh nemishe…but remember that for Zarif and amsaale Zarif detente is a matter of faith and so they will stick to it no matter what reality shows then to the contrary. May God help us…

    It would be nice if we had some strong voices on the usuli side to clarify things…

  76. Persian Gulf says:

    Masoud

    Looks like a letter written by Trita Parsi.

    And “social protestor” , “Christian convert”…what a title hahaha
    Can’t stop laughing.

    You take everything serious man. A letter like this is a joke.

  77. Empty says:

    fyi,

    RE: “Many many years ago, when in Iran, we used spread our carpets on the balcony and have our afternoon tea.”

    Dude, as Bussed-in-Basiji is suggesting, take a trip. What have you got to lose but a bit of your misperception? Today, long stretches of bullevards, middle of squres, actually anywhere with a bit of grass all serve as people’s balcony. It’s so pervasive that I think, one day, it would be registered in Guinness world records.

  78. Sineva says:

    James Canning says:
    August 8, 2013 at 1:38 pm
    Theres a big difference between a deal and “seeking approval”,the first may be possible tho` very unlikely in my opinion,the second is not something iran needs to do

  79. Karl.. says:

    James

    Correct a “deal” should be made, not demands, not threats as you seems to support.

  80. fyi says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:

    August 8, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    I stand by what I have written about “analog” – it is not part of Logic but part of Rhetoric – it is essential to heuristiscs and thus discovery and invention.

    As for the contemporary social scene in Iran – I am pleased to learn that they have now moved on to recapitulate the earlier situation; for myself, I did not have the patience.

  81. fyi says:

    Empty says:

    August 9, 2013 at 1:03 am

    So, those who made life miserable have crawled back into the holes from which they had emerged?

    Good.

    I am not known for my patience; I decided not to waste the productive years of my life struggling against fools.

    And “spreading carpets…” was just one example; the Pink-Floyd tape that the was erased – a gift from abroad – while the Louis Armstrong tape in the same gift package was kept (you see, he was a Black American and therefore almost half-way revolutionary), the arrest for having too-long a hair etc.

    I would be pleased to learn all of that has joined the garbage heap of history; one could only hope.

  82. Karl.. says:

    US top military command have visited Israel whole past week and Dempsey will go there this coming week.

    Basically: US get Peace talks. Israel get approval to attack Iran.

    “What does the peace process have to do with Iran? ”
    http://972mag.com/what-does-the-peace-process-have-to-do-with-iran/77096/

    It sounds credible unfortunately.

  83. fyi says:

    Karl.. says:

    August 9, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Israelis will never attack Iran Karl; they would be helping Iran since such an attack will destroy the current economic war against Iran.

    Furthermore, once it become clear that Iranians have declined to respond to this act of provocation, US, EU, Saudi Arabia, Israel and a host of others will be left in the political Never-Never Land; Never to see the demise of the Islamic Republic, Never to end the war for and in Palestine on Axis Powers’ (& Israel’s) terms, Never to prevent Iranian break-out capability and a host of other such items.

    At this time, an Israeli attack on Iran will help Iran enormouslly and destroy what is left of US influence in the Middle East – if not the world.

    It will also make the destruction of Israel an aim of Shia Islam.

    You think Israelis are unaware of all of this?

  84. James Canning says:

    “[T]he White House could not let the president go to Moscow,” says Andrew Weiss, a former Whie House official and Russia expert at the Carnegie Endowment in Washington.”
    – – Financial Times Aug. 9th

    I think Obama blundered by cancelling the summit.

  85. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    I agree Israel is very unlikley to attack Iran. And of course Israel has no need to do so.

  86. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    I too deplore threats. And of course a deal needs to be made.

    You might enjoy Philip Stephens’ column in the Financial Times today.

  87. James Canning says:

    Sineva,

    I agree, that Iran needs to make a deal with the six powers. FYI thinks otherwise.

  88. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    “Former head of military intelligence Amos Yadlin told Israel’s Army Radio this week that the [Obama] administration’s position [re: Israeli attack on Iran] has ‘moved from a red light to yellow.'”

    This statement is not true.

  89. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    So much for British rule of law and protection of life, property and namus:

    “Britain ran secret interrogation center in Co Derry, N. Ireland”

    Article on presstv website (won’t let me post it), from the article:

    “According to the declassified files the 12 who were detained as part of the internment of 350 people on 9 August 1971, were subject to deep interrogation under the five techniques system the ECHR has called ‘torture’. The techniques included starvation, wall-standing, sleep deprivation, hooding, and white noise.

    The British army oversaw the interrogations which were carried out by the RUC.

    Now, it has been revealed that the ECHR and two official inquiries were misled by London about the existence of the center.

    Sarah Duddy of the Pat Finucane Center said the documents had uncovered the use of techniques such as hooding, sleep deprivation, diet restrictions, white noise and other methods on detainees at the Derry center.”

    Straight from the British to the American cousins in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and other various secret “interrogation centers” (translation: “torture center”)

    I wonder if James is familiar with the name “Ian Henderson”?

    Hint: it has to do with concentration camps in Kenya and torture in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia.

    This is the stuff that sinks civilizations, especially those posturing about exactly the opposite and pontificating about it to the rest of the world.

  90. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Multiple choice pop quiz:

    “Who is Ian Henderson?”

    A. A WWI flying ace

    B. A football player

    C. A rugby league player

    D. A rugby union player from the 1940s

    E. An Australian TV news presenter

    F. A British “police officer” during the Mau Mau rebellion and “security adviser” to the Bahraini govt and other PG despots

    G. All of the above

  91. James Canning says:

    Bussed-In Basiji,

    Blacks killed 100,000 or more other blacks, in Kenya. I take it you think Britain should not have tried to stop the slaughter.

  92. James Canning says:

    Bussed-In Basiji,

    Very difficult situation obtained in Northern Ireland. To say the least. I made many visits during the worst of “the troubles”.

  93. Karl.. says:

    fyi

    Yes Iran would surely not respond to an attack of this sort, however israelis would be fine with this at the same time they will keep pushing on sanctions etc keeping Iran weak.

  94. Karl.. says:

    James

    August 9, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    How do you know its not true?

  95. BiBiJon says:

    Karl.. says:
    August 9, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    “Basically: US get Peace talks. Israel get approval to attack Iran.”

    In addition to what fyi says, I think, like much news items these days, if you turn it 180 degrees it’s nearer the truth.

    I.e. It is the US who is dangling rapprochement with Iran, to get Israel to relent and accept 2-state solution. It is the only card the WH has domestically; tame the Israel Lobby with threats of a love fest with Iran which the war-weary public would not object to, and may well support.

    But, the apartheid pipsqueak will not attack Iran, because it knows through multiple channels Iran will respond proportionately; fyi may be wrong.

  96. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    James,

    “Blacks killed 100,000 or more other blacks, in Kenya. I take it you think Britain should not have tried to stop the slaughter.”

    You fail to mention little details that preceded it: things like British imperial occupation and British backed local death-squads. And please don’t non-chalantly walk by the term “concentration camps” when someone mentions it- even if it’s in the same sentence as the word “British run”.

    I take it you deny that there were concentration camps in Kenya run by the British?

    Also please, please whatever you do DON’T tell us what you did in Northern Ireland during the troubles. We really don’t want to know.

    But of course you didn’t answer the main the question Jimmy:

    Do you know who Ian Henderson is?

    “Do you deny knowing him personally and being pretty fond of him?” See how annoying it is when somebody keeps asking leading questions- you know, the way you do it.

    Go read the lyrics of the song by your compatriots I posted earlier.

    My advise to you is not to comment AT ALL on ANYTHING in the Middle Eat cause you’re stuck in it up to your neck.

  97. Karl.. says:

    Bibijohn

    Actually there is no sign of rapprochment, quite reversed with the sanctions imposed just last week. Friendly solution is not in the cards in the US.

    US hasnt managed to get Israel out of occupied palestinian land for over 50 years and the same lobby got america to fight Iraq, US have no power Israel, Israel and its lobby have the power and influence over the US though. There is no change on this, and just look today how they attacked Egypt. All this bolster them to attack Iran.
    I hope I am wrong but I dont think i am.

  98. BiBiJon says:

    Karl.. says:
    August 9, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Bibijohn

    “Actually there is no sign of rapprochment, quite reversed with the sanctions imposed just last week. Friendly solution is not in the cards in the US.”

    Yes, yes. You know, and I know. But the pipsqueak doesn’t know.

  99. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    Are you referring to the vote in the US House of Representatives?

    Has not taken effect yet.

  100. James Canning says:

    Bussed-In Basiji,

    You appear to be denouncing the history of the world for past several centruies. This gets you where?

  101. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    My understanding is that Netanyahu agreed with Obama Israel would not attack Iran, and Obama assured Israel he will not allow Iran to build nukes. This situation continues to obtain, according to sources in the White House (from what I can ascertain).

    Netanyahu wants a war between the US and Iran, even if Iran does not try to build nukes.

  102. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    August 9, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    The world order as you know it is dying.
    No need to refer to the past few centuries dominated by western civilization.
    With the global “south” wakening, you should rather pretty much prefer to have a world order based on justice and moral.

    The nukes will not protect UK much from their past deeds.

    As stated by BiB you are a thing of the past.
    Disgusting as that.
    An old degenerate and putrescent dinosaur.

  103. kooshy says:

    BiBiJon says:
    August 9, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    I am sure, like what SL said a few months back, if Israel attacks Iran, Iran will take out Israel off the world map for good, which will tremendously enhance Iran’s situation in Muslim Middle East and will reduce western/ US’s regional/ global strategic position further down.

  104. Sineva says:

    James Canning says:
    August 9, 2013 at 1:09 pm
    Dont you mean they need to make a deal with iran ie they need to acknowledge irans right to the fuel cycle and accept iranian enrichment

  105. Empty says:

    Nice photos of Eid al-Fitr prayer in Tehran:

    http: // farsi.khamenei.ir/photo-album?id=23473#175569

  106. Karl.. says:

    James

    Oh you mean the house sanctions would be reversed? Please.

  107. BiBiJon says:

    kooshy says:
    August 9, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    Yes. And, as is well known, it is the SL who is commander in chief of the armed forces.

  108. Sineva says:

    James Canning says:
    August 9, 2013 at 7:55 pm
    There you go with that “allow” again,its not up to the us to “allow” iran anything,if iran decides it wants the bomb it will get it and the west and israel will simply have to accept it and learn to live with it which I imagine they will.A far better strategy for the west and israel would be to not give iran any cause to want or need the bomb,that would be the smart thing to do however when it comes to the west and the middle east “smart” is not a word I`d use sadly

  109. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    James,

    I’m just pointing out your hypocrisy.

    I take it you deny the existence of British-run concentration camps in Kenya?

    I take it you know who Ian Henderson is and approve of his gruesome “career”?

    If you’re the man you claim to be, honestly answer the questions, otherwise shut it.

  110. James Canning says:

    Bussed-In Basiji,

    Concentration camps were employed in the Boer War, with large numbers of deaths of Boer civilians resulting.

    What measures do you think the British should have employed, in their effort to stop the blacks in Kenya from slaughtering scores of thousands of civilians?

    Your position apparently is that the European countries should not have had colonies in Africa. Whcih of course does not address the question.

  111. James Canning says:

    Sineva,

    Of course the P5+1 should made a reasonable deal with Iran, allowing nuclear power programme.

    But your assumption Iran has an option to build nukes simply is mistaken.

  112. James Canning says:

    Neww York Times today reports Obama is continuing his foolish effort to prevent Iran from attending a Syrian peace conference. Idiotic, in my view. And attributable to Aipac et al.

  113. James Canning says:

    Sineva,

    Yes, P5+1 must accept Iranian control of nuclear fuel cycle for power plants. Even if Aipac objects strenuously.

  114. Karl.. says:

    James

    Actually not surprising. Why would Obama want to invite Iran when hurting Iran is the main reason for US (Israel) engagement in Syria?

  115. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    James,

    I didn’t ask you about the Boer War.

    Again:

    I take it you deny the existence of British-run concentration camps in Kenya?

    I take it you know who Ian Henderson is and approve of his gruesome “career”?

    If you’re the man you claim to be, honestly answer the questions, otherwise shut it.

  116. James Canning says:

    Bussed-In Basiji,

    You appeared to argue, implicitly, that Britain employed concentration camps in Kenya against blacks, because those interned in the camps were black.

    I asked you what you think Britain should have done, to control the slaughter of black civilians by other blakcs.

  117. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    If Obama had a better capacity for strategic thinking, he would comprehend that having Iran in attendance at a peace coference in Syria would afford opportunities for communications between American officials and Iranian officials.

    Aipac tries to prevent any such contacts.

    I think Saudi Arabia and Qatar viewed hurting Iran, by backing insurgency in Syria, was good idea given the way things might be going in the Gulf.

  118. James Canning says:

    Peace conference on Syria, in Geneva (or whereever).

  119. jay says:

    It is foolhardy to propose that Obama, or the US establishment is not capable of strategic thinking!

    Examples of long term strategic thinking and action, both in domestic and foreign policy, by successive administrations in the US is abound. These efforts are not always successful. Protection of life and liberty is hardly at the top of their agenda – but, they are strategic. Brits have a similar history.

    Whether or not such actions are fair, humane, etc. must be judged on the basis of different criteria.

    Clearly, running a concentration camp is not fair or humane. Perhaps successful in addressing a concern of the British empire – but hardly humane.

    Opposing Iran’s rights, depressing her economy, trampling international norms, may or may not ultimately prove successful towards addressing concerns of the US empire and her loyal servers. However, to blame it on AIPAC, or Iran’s decision to enrich to 20% for medical purposes, or the number of centrifuges, or the amount of production, or the presence of a space program,…, is an excuse – a distraction. Perhaps it will address the concerns of the American empire – but hardly fair or humane.

    The constant attempt to justify actions that prima facie are inhumane, violative, and arbitrary in nature leads one to consider a sociopathic origin for the incapacity to empathize or sympathize.

    Sometimes one must consider the simple fact that “mean actions” are simply an indication that individuals or societies taking such actions are motivated by malice and greed. And, when in the face of historical judgements that enlighten such events and make it clear that nobility and care were not the driving factors, one continues to sidestep the judgement – what should we make of that?!

  120. James Canning says:

    Jay,

    You think “malice and greed” are what motivates the White House? Obama insiders admitted the White House blocked any decent offer by the P5+1 to Iran, prior to 2012 elections in the US. “We were just trying to get through the elections”, is how one White House official put it.

  121. James Canning says:

    Eliot Engel, a Democrat from New Yoirk in the HOuse of Representatives, claimed Putin granted Snowden asylum “to further undermine US-Russia relations”. Engel is either a fool or a liar, given that Putin quite obviously was not pleased to have the Snowden problem on his hands.

  122. jay says:

    James Canning says:
    August 10, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    There are many other possibilities beyond a fool or a liar.

    Engel may be trying to fool the gullible public into thinking that he is either a fool or a liar!

    Or, Engel is simply appealing to the lowest common denominator in order to gain political points. Or,….

    Accepting the words of any politician on face value is simply naive. Of course, there are all shades of color – some politicians occasionally brush by some version of truth.

  123. jay says:

    James Canning says:
    August 10, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    No, I do not think that malice and greed are motivating the WH. Nor do I believe that malice and greed are the only element that motivate some amidst us.

    The sentence was an oversimplification. It was an attempt at highlighting the fact that your defense of various indefensible actions on this forum seem to constantly sidestep ascribing the most obvious motives.

  124. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    James,

    Judging by your cowardice to answer a simple question, the British are more “weasels” than “foxes”.

    So once more (and this will go on as long as you like Jimmy):

    Do you know who Ian Henderson is and what he did in Bahrain?

    A simple “yes” or “no” will suffice.

  125. fyi says:

    James Canning says:
    August 10, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    “…Saudi Arabia and Qatar viewed hurting Iran, by backing insurgency in Syria, was good idea…”

    This was never a good idea because of the facts of geography and demographics.

    It is like Poland trying to hurt Russia or Viet Nam, China; a fool’s errand.

    You do not understand Arabs – they are against Iran – have been since they gained their independence at the end of World War II. This whole thing about “Arabian Gulf” started under the late Mr. Nasser and was picked up by most other Arabs.

    In regards to AIPAC; once again, you fail to understand the religious commitment to Israel among Protestants in US and UK. Protestants do not persuasion by AIPAC and certainly not Mr. Obama who owes so much to Chicago Jews.

    Mr. Obama evidently has communicated to Iranians that he will attack them if they build a nuclear bomb while in office. Iranians have been stating that they have no intention of building a nuclear weapon. This is how things stand at this time.

    Axis Powers (and Russia) had hoped to have achieved their goals by now – prevention of Iranian break-out capacity or its roll-back – by now. They have failed in achieving their political aims through economic warfare and through wounding of Syria.

    There is no sense of panic or hopelessness in Tehran; they are continuing with their Resistance Economy and I stand by my estimate that within the next 4 years the most egregious effects of the Axis Powers’ economic war against Iran will have been eviscerated.

    As these sanctions are overcome, the need for a deal becomes more urgent for the initiators of the economic war – they need some sort of a deal to roll-back some sanctions that are hurting them or their allies. They need to show some progress lest their allies bolt this Coalition-of-the-Willing.

    So, in 2014 there could be – no certainty here.

    Israelis understand all of this are going to continue their best to instigate a war against Iran.

    I doubt that they could succeed; the multiple failures of the Axis Powers – chief among them the United States – has now been clear in the area from Hindu Kush to the Mediterranean Sea for everyone on this planet to see.

    This includes the United Kingdom, France (the instigator of the genocide in Rwanda), and others.

    There is no political support – even in South Korean satrapy of the United States – for what the United States is proposing to do or has done.

    But, like the leaders of General Motors for 2 generations – American and Axis Powers leader are unable to turn on a dime and chart a new path.

    This is their undoing.

  126. Sakineh Bagoom says:

    From one more insider source whom, sounds like he has found religion James.
    It is not about percentages. And look at the source and site.
    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.540886

  127. James Canning says:

    Sakineh,

    Who “has found religion”?

  128. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Yes, foolish Protestants in the US help Aipac pressure the US Congress. Many of those foolish Protestants are badly educated. Most, in fact. Most are from the lower social classes, from what I can ascertain.

    And yes, Iran has made clear it is not trying to build nukes.

    And yes, I assume you agree, Aipac pushed hard for the House of Representatives to approve the latest proposed sanctions against Iran, in order to block any improvement in America’s relations with Iran due to election of new president.

  129. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    I continue to believe Sausi Arabia and Qatar decided to back the insurgency in Syria, to hurt Iran, because both countries saw a potential war in the Gulf due to Iran’s continuing enrichment of uranium etc etc etc.

  130. James Canning says:

    Eliott Engle, Democrat from New York in US Congress, claimed the House-passed sanctions were intended to send message to new Iranian president to suspend enriching uranium.

    Question: did Engel actually believe this measure would produce this result? Or, was Engel helping Aipac to wreck opportunity for improved US-Iran relations?

    Engel claimed last week that Putin wanted to damage US-Russia relations, and for that reason gave asylum to Snowden. In this case, I think Engel was simply lying.

  131. James Canning says:

    Bussed-In Basiji,

    The Daily Telegraph earlier this year reported that Said Hadha, a “pro-democracy activist” in Bahranin, claimed that Ian Henderson “kicked me and shook me two times”.
    This may well be true.

  132. James Canning says:

    Jay,

    I entirely agree with you that “malice and greed” figure into the making of US policy in the Middle East.

    I do not “sidestep” that fact. “Greed” is a huge factor.

    But Rohami himself said that pressure groups in the US are trying to ensure the US Congress blocks and improvement in US-Iran relations. Meaning Aipac and its many comrades-in-arms.

  133. James Canning says:

    On Mc:aughlin Group (PBS TV in America) last week, Pat Buchanan argued that Obama should not have cancelled the summit with Putin. I of course agree.

    Buchanan also argued that Russia’s stance on Syria makes good sense. I of course agree.

  134. nico says:

    Fyi,

    The issue is that the US are after full spectrum dominance.
    The issue is that the US are after colonial policies.
    The issue is that the US are anti-humanist as per the nature of their policies.
    The US are pursuing medieval and racist policies, whatever their discourses and claims to the opposite.

    Humanism is about Man having ineliable rights to dignity.
    By extension it obtains as well concerning nations of various cultures with their sovereign rights and needed respect.

    The issue is that it is inscribed in several centuries of western hegemony over the world.

    Both world wars were due to western countries playing their little imperialistic and colonial games.
    Trying to keep their dominance over each other.

    During the cold war, the peace of yalta as you call it. The US needed to convince their allies through soft power to be part of the so called free world.

    Truman if I remember well offered then to their allies prosperity in order to win their struggle against the soviets.
    Such macro policy was implemented steadily during the cold war.

    The result being the Marshall plan.
    Japan and Germany.
    South Korea.
    The PG sheikdoms.
    Even China to some extent ! Wich was obviously dragged in the US sphere of influence to counter the soviets influence and their obvious overweight in Asia. (Stopping a united Asia being THE key to the oceanic powers in their devide and rule policy).

    Should tge cold war have not existed sure the US would have had no need to support economic development abroad.

    The issue is from the end of cold war the US dumped its previous policies.
    They reverted to the good ol’colonial game of dominance.

    My take regarding your religious war assertion is that it is totally false.

    Should such religious struggle in Palestine not exist that would not make any difference.
    Without religious struggle my take is that the US position would be exactly the same.
    I would even go farther and state that the religious struggle weaken the US dominance.
    I think that is quite obvious.

    Mister Canning and you think the way of powers to be after dominance is justified by the western colonial sequence and even by the whole human history.

    The issue is that history definitely has a direction.
    Meaning more complex social construct from the beggining of history.
    Meaning more technological advances.

    Want to see a direction ?
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_population_growth_(lin-log_scale).png

    What does it say ?
    First there is a direction and it is related to technology.
    Secondly that the explosion experienced in the last few decades is coming mostly if not only from the oil civilization with its cheap energy cost, huge energy amounts available and related byproducts as the needed fertilizers to feed the population with the transportation mean to do just that.
    Thirdly the 20th and 21th century are not comparable to previous centuries.

    Human breakthrough in the past decades calls for other way of doing things.
    That much is clear.

    Now please tell me what is the relative weight of Jerusalem in the US strategic policy making compared to oil ?
    That is next to nothing.

    The US is simply after controlling the fate and right to life (access to oil is quite the same) to billions of people.

    Do you deny that ?

  135. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    James,

    Like I said, more weasel than fox. You don’t even have the courage to say “yes” or “no”. What where doing in Northern Ireland, cleaning toilets at the barracks? Pathetic.

    Before kicking and shaking that lady Henderson spent around 50 years creating concentration camps in Kenya and then proceeded to an illustrious career torturing, executing and imprisoning various people in Bahrain and other regional countries.

    I take it you deny all of this James, right?

    Not to forget that for all his efforts he was then awarded “commander of the most excellent order of the British Empire” by the old hag…lovely.

  136. fyi says:

    James Canning says:
    August 11, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Then you continue to believe wrong.

  137. fyi says:

    nico says:
    August 11, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    There are multiple material causes here at play; some religious some not so.

    I do deny any direction to History – Hindus, if fact, never accepted even the notion of History – there are no historical writings among Hindus.

    Men are in the State of Fall and their desire for dominance of their own kind stems from that – and the fear of Death.

    The Ottomans, in their days, were not materially or morally superior to the Western people in exercise of imperial hegemony.

    The Peace of Yalta was contested by both sides; and eventually it disintegrated.

    When it did, the Axis Powers’ planners estimated that they had a generation to establish facts on the ground and went about destroying Yugoslavia. Their next target, under Mr. Clinton, was DPRK which turned out to be too dangerous to attack. Iran, they decided, they will get back to when they had time – they were too busy pushing NATO Eastward.

    With the presidency of Mr. Bush II, the aim of dominating the Middle East became paramount; ergo the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

    The costs of this Imperial Project were primarily paid by the dismantling of the “American Way” in the 1980-2000 period and, at the same, by shipping American jobs abroad – chiefly to China.

    The imperial project came to a halt in 2011; the economic foundations of post 1973 prosperity in the Western states dissolved.

    We are now in the inter-regnum period; between where we have been and where we will be going.

    For myself, I am reminded the period between 1899-1914; the momentum of the social and political and economic institutions and instruments are carrying the world forward until they also dissolve since their foundation already have.

    The chief blame for Americans and the Axis Powers is that in their zeal for Power they have brought the world to the verge of war.

    Something like the Peace of Yalta must be negotiated if the world is to avoid constant conflagrations.

    US, EU, Russia, China, India, Brazil have demonstrated zero, absolutely zero leadership in this regard.

    Axis Powers, Russia, and China cannot even reassure the rest of the world that it will not be destroyed in a nuclear war sometime in the future.

  138. nico says:

    fyi says:
    August 11, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    “I do deny any direction to History”

    Well, why then do you claim about the need for progress ?
    To whom should it apply ?
    And what progress is all about ?

    Surely your individual and personal comfort.
    Surely no more with such views.
    Ironic.

    Why Writing was ever created ?
    And language ?
    And consciouness of the surrounding as the next tree, city, river, country, continent, earth, outerspace and universe ?

    No direction ? No trend ?

    With all due respect. In my opinion such view is as much backward as takifiris. Ironic isn’t ?
    Actually you are arguing for modernity. While modernity needs direction.

    That is the issue when one has no principle and no moral.
    Not immoral but amoral and deeply without principles other than his/her individual comfort.

    Ironic.
    That is amoral thinking like that that enable slavery.
    You know the same that you condemn.

    That is such view that allows and even leads the Western degeneration.

    “US, EU, Russia, China, India, Brazil have demonstrated zero, absolutely zero leadership in this regard.”

    The US had a special responsability after the cold war. You cannot claim the same responsabilities for the others.

    In addition, for the moment, that is essentially the US which are undermining the international institutions, diplomatic norms and standards.

    Which country is leading in the dual standard, is breaching its international commitments ?
    Brazil ?
    China ?
    Russia ?
    Iran ?

    With power comes responsibilities.
    And the US are the more powerfull and the least responsible in their foreign policy among the main world power.

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  140. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Russia continues to seek a Syrian peace conference, with no pre-condition Syrian gov’t agree to abandon power, and with Iran as a participant.

    Good plan, in my view.

    And, sadly, Obama has failed to endorse it.

  141. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    What is “colonial” about the limited support for Syrian insurgents that those insurgents have obtained in “the West”?

  142. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    I think you are mistaken, and that Saudi Arabia and Qatar backed the insurgency in Syria to damage Iran in advance of potential war in the Gulf. Other factors also motivated Saudis and Qataris.

    Do you think an overthrow of Assad gov’t would harm Iran?

  143. James Canning says:

    Bussed-In Basiji,

    My understanding is that marauding blacks in Kenya killed more than 100,000 other blacks.

    You offer no suggestion as to what you think the British should have done to control the problem, rather than what they did do.

  144. fyi says:

    nico says:
    August 11, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    What material progress that has been achieved, has been achieved in spite of the conditions of man and the world and over a long period of time by very many people over centuries and millennia.

    There was a time that China was the leading innovator country of her time; even the legendary ancient Iranian King who is credited with the discovery of fire – among other arts – was probably Chinese; “Houshang” from Chinese “Hwa” – fire + Shang.

    That progress, nevertheless, did not prevent millions of Chinese to suffer and die during various times of political instability, foreign invasions, or natural disasters.

    And those observations may be equally applied to the European states or those of the Middle East.

    What direction was there and what progress was achieved when the Mongol soldiers where raping pre-pubescent girls in front of their fathers in Neishapour?

    What achievement proceeded the destruction and massacres of the inhabitants of Constantinople by the Crusaders?

    I would like to know in what manner disemboweling human beings and ripping the unborn out of their mothers’ wombs have contributed to the direction of History?

    Do not waste my time with pointless rhetoric; if you have questions, pose them to God who is ultimately responsible for all of that.

  145. fyi says:

    James Canning says:
    August 11, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Iranian can live without Assad – but they are showing that they are supporting their allies to the hilt.

    That must be understood also as the demonstration of the character of their relationship to their allies in contradistinction to US-EU way of discarding allies when it suited them.

    It matters not, I agree, what motivated them; just like Iran-Iraq War, they bet against Iran and lost.

    I see the finger of the Hidden Imam in all of this, don’t you?

  146. fyi says:

    James Canning says:
    August 11, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    Peace plan for whom?

    Iranians and their allies no longer need it.

    The Geneva II Conference has joined the “Two-State Solution” in its proper place – the garbage heap of history.

  147. nico says:

    fyi says:
    August 11, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    “Do not waste my time with pointless rhetoric; if you have questions, pose them to God who is ultimately responsible for all of that.”

    What a heinous rhetoric against god. YOUR rhetoric.
    As your fallen state of man it is BS.
    Man never has been angel and your fallen state thing has satanic stench.

    YOU are in effect denying progress.
    YOU are obscurantist of the worst kind. Justt like Takfiris. From the same mold.
    Ironic that you criticize them.

    The issue is not between the believer and the unbielever.
    The issue is between Progressive minded people and Regressive minded people.

    No need to say what the position a nihilistic person like you is.

    In addition you cowardly dodge my central questions.
    I should say “Canningly” or “cowardly like a Canning” dodge my questions :

    – Well, why then do you claim about the need for progress ?
    – To whom should it apply ?
    – And what progress is all about ?
    – Surely your individual and personal comfort.

    Sure answering those questions would unmask your true face.
    Satanic would not be far from the spot, me guess.
    Or rather, what is much the same , Nihilistic and deeply atheist whatever what you claim.

    But no need to answer. I already know your position.

    You do not follow progressive modernist thinking.
    You follow degenerative post-modernist thinking.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism
    “Existential nihilism

    Main article: Existential nihilism
    Existential nihilism is the belief that life has no intrinsic meaning or value. With respect to the universe, existential nihilism posits that a single human or even the entire human species is insignificant, without purpose and unlikely to change in the totality of existence. The meaninglessness of life is largely explored in the philosophical school of existentialism.

    Moral nihilism

    Moral nihilism, also known as ethical nihilism, is the meta-ethical view that morality does not exist as something inherent to objective reality; therefore no action is necessarily preferable to any other. For example, a moral nihilist would say that killing someone, for whatever reason, is not inherently right or wrong. Otherwise in simple terms, a lack of a moral system. Other nihilists may argue not that there is no morality at all, but that if it does exist, it is a human construction and thus artificial, wherein any and all meaning is relative for different possible outcomes. As an example, if someone kills someone else, such a nihilist might argue that killing is not inherently a bad thing, or bad independently from our moral beliefs, because of the way morality is constructed as some rudimentary dichotomy. What is said to be a bad thing is given a higher negative weighting than what is called good: as a result, killing the individual was bad because it did not let the individual live, which was arbitrarily given a positive weighting. In this way a moral nihilist believes that all moral claims are false. An alternative scholarly perspective is that moral nihilism is a morality in itself. Cooper writes, “In the widest sense of the word ‘morality’, moral nihilism is a morality.”[9]”

    Nihilist ? Post-modernist ? Satanic ?
    Everyone to pick the right term that please him/her.

    Good enough regarding my empty “RETHORIC” ???

  148. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    August 11, 2013 at 7:52 pm
    “Nico,What is “colonial” about the limited support for Syrian insurgents that those insurgents have obtained in “the West”?”

    Are you serious ?

    Are all the US military bases around the world a bad dream out of my mad imagination ?

    Please do not embarass yourself.

  149. Kathleen says:

    If the U.S. attacked Iran “the blow back would be catastrophic”

    Remember to spread interviews by the Leveretts and their writings via FB, etc. Since US MSM outlets like Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, NPR’s Diane Rehm just do not seem interested in views about Iran/US relations based on accurate information.

  150. fyi says:

    nico says:

    August 12, 2013 at 2:31 am

    Since you are a believer in the idea of progress – not the empirical observaion but the metaphysical principle – the burden is on you to tie the deaths and butchery of millions of human souls to the material achievements of mankind.

    Go ahead and do so please.

  151. James Canning says:

    Nico.

    American military bases are not “colonies”. Cuba is not a “colony” of the US, even if the US has a giant military/naval base in that country.

    Is Turkey behving in a “colonial” fashion, by backing insurgents in Syria? Qatar, acting in a “colonial” fashion, for same reason?

  152. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    What question of yours have I “dodged”?

  153. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    I take it you think Sergei Lavrov and Vladimir Putin should not be pressing for a Syrian peace conference, with Iran in attendance?

  154. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    You may recall my position on Iran-Iraq War, namely that it was a tragic episode, and one that went on years longer than necessary.

    The slaughter was regrettable, surely.

  155. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Do you approve of Croatia’s entry into the EU? Should Serbia become a member?

  156. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    August 12, 2013 at 1:03 pm
    “Nico.American military bases are not “colonies”. Cuba is not a “colony” of the US, even if the US has a giant military/naval base in that country.Is Turkey behving in a “colonial” fashion, by backing insurgents in Syria? Qatar, acting in a “colonial” fashion, for same reason?”

    Yes they are non sovereign or semi sovereign states with the US the acting as the colonial power.

    The case of cuba is specific. No need to elaboborate the obvious.

  157. nico says:

    fyi says:
    August 12, 2013 at 9:23 am

    I already provided empirical observations.
    It is not because you are blind to them that they are less true.

    In addition to that I clearly demonstrated that today world is not comparable by order of magnitudes to the past centuries/millenia or the time ever before.
    Being world population, populationd self-consciousness and consciousness of the world or level of technological advances.

    You are stuck in a temporal stasis of the time of Atilla and Genghis Khan.
    Like if todays leaders or comparable to Atilla and the Khan.
    Or like if Attila and the Khan had something in common with Man before history or primates.

    Now you answer my questions.

  158. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    You claim the US caused Saudi Arabia and Qatar to spend billions backing the insurgency in Syria?

  159. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    To clarify, perhaps, you regard any country as a “colony” of the US unless that couuntry is hostile toward the US, if the US has a military base in that country?

  160. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    August 12, 2013 at 2:06 pm
    “Nico,To clarify, perhaps, you regard any country as a “colony” of the US unless that couuntry is hostile toward the US, if the US has a military base in that country?”

    My apologies.
    Maybe my english is not good enough but I do not figure out what you mean.
    What I read is just nonsensical to me.
    Maybe that is so smart that it is beyond my understanding.

  161. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    August 12, 2013 at 2:04 pm
    “Nico,You claim the US caused Saudi Arabia and Qatar to spend billions backing the insurgency in Syria?”

    I already made my point clear on thus very subject few thread ago.

    Sorry but I will not repeat it. You just need to seek it out if you are interested enough.

    But I guess your question is only leading and rhetorical as usual.

  162. nico says:

    Mister Canning,

    Want an example of US unprincipled occupation and an example of a non dovereign state ?

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/korea-how-the-us-is-illegally-using-pretense-of-un-command-to-deceive-the-world/5345404

    “Professor Kiyul Chung delivers an address at the Foreign Correspondents’ Club of Japan on August 1, 2013, as part of the 60th anniversary commemoration of the signing of the Korean armistice.
    He outlines how the US is illegally using the pretense of “UN Command” in Korea to deceive the world about the nature of the US occupation of South Korea.”

  163. nico says:

    Fyi,

    Wanna see an good example of Western degeneration based on the extremism of the kind of individual freedom theory against the community that you profess.

    http://lindsaymorris.viewbook.com/you-are-you

    A gender theory holiday camp !
    Do you prefer that or the kind of Iranian obtuse islamic theorist ?

  164. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    South Korea was due to resume control over its own troops in event of war. SK asked the US to continue to keep control over SK troops in event of war.

    I would prefer reunification, with US troops pulled out entirely.

  165. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    If you are claiming the US could have prevented Saudi Arabia and Qatar from backing the insurgents in Syria, I think you are simply mistaken.