Iran, Syria and the Tragicomedy of U.S. Foreign Policy

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Today is Martin Luther King Day in the United States and we urge our readers to re-read a piece we wrote previously honoring his extraordinary insight.  It is also the day on which implementation of the Joint Plan of Action that the P5+1 and Iran announced on November 24 formally commences.  And, of course, two days from now, the Geneva II conference on the Syrian conflict is scheduled to take place.

In anticipation of the beginning of implementation of the Joint Plan of Action, negotiations on prospective “final” nuclear deal, and the Geneva II conference, Hillary taped an interview with Scott Horton for Pacifica Radio.  It was broadcast/posted yesterday; click here to listen.

Regarding President Obama’s ongoing struggle with the Senate over Iran policy, Hillary cautions against premature claims of “victory” for the Obama administration’s efforts to avert new sanctions legislation while the Joint Plan of Action is being implemented.  She points out that “the foes of the Iran nuclear deal, of any kind of peace and conflict resolution in the Middle East writ large, are still very strong and formidable.  For example, the annual AIPAC policy conference—a gathering here in Washington of over 10,000 people from all over the country, where they come to lobby congressmen and senators, especially on the Iran issue—that will be taking place in very early March.  There’s still a lot that can be pushed and played here.”

To be sure, President Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry “have put a lot of political capital on the line.”  No other administration has so openly staked out its opposition to a piece of legislation or policy initiative favored by AIPAC and backed by a bipartisan majority on Capitol Hill since the 1980s, when the Reagan administration successfully defended its decision to sell AWACs planes to Saudi Arabia.  But, Hillary notes, if the pro-Israel lobby is able to secure a vote on the new sanctions bill, and to sustain the promised veto of said bill by President Obama, “that would be such a dramatic blow to President Obama, and not just on his foreign policy agenda, but it would be devastating to his domestic agenda.”  So Obama “has a tremendous amount to lose, and by no means is the fight anywhere near over.”

Of course, to say that Obama has put a lot of political capital on the line over the sanctions issue begs the question of whether he is really prepared to spend the far larger amounts of capital that will be required to close a final nuclear deal with Tehran.  As Hillary points out, if Obama were “really trying to lead this country on a much more constructive, positive trajectory after failed wars and invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya—Libya entirely on President Obama’s watch—[he] would be doing a lot more, rather than just giving these lukewarm talks, basically trying to continue to kiss up to major pro-Israel constituencies, and then trying to bring in some of political favors” on Capitol Hill.

Compare Obama’s handling of Iran and other Middle East challenges to President Nixon’s orchestration of the American opening to China—including Nixon’s willingness to “break the crockery” of the pro-Taiwan lobby—and the inadequacy of Obama’s approach become glaringly apparent.  And that, Hillary underscores, is why we wrote our book, Going to Tehran—because “we think it’s absolutely essential for President Obama to do what Nixon did and go to Tehran, as Nixon went to China,” for “the Middle East is the make-or-break point for the United States, not just in our foreign affairs but in our global economic power and what we’re able to do here at home.  If we can’t get what we’re doing in the Middle East on a much better, more positive trajectory, not only will we see the loss of our power, credibility, and prestige in the Middle East, but we will see it globally.”

Getting the nuclear issue right is, arguably, just one piece of the project of realigning U.S.-Iranian relations—but it is a uniquely critical piece.  As Hillary notes, in Iran, “they see reaching a nuclear deal with the United States as absolutely essential [to any prospect of broader realignment]—even though they absolutely believe it is a ‘show’ issueFor if they could get the United States to accept the Islamic Republic of Iran with nuclear capability, this is the essential step to getting it to accept Iran as an independent, sovereign power.”  Of course, that is something Western governments have been manifestly unwilling to do for decades, going back even decades before the 1979 Iranian Revolution.  For the Iranians, “if they can get the United States to recognize their independence and sovereignty through this nuclear deal, recognizing Iran’s right to nuclear capability, that’s [how] you can open the way to go forward.”

But, “if negotiations with the United States fail, the thinking in Iran—and I was just there a couple of months ago—is that this will show both Iranians inside Iran and (this is critically important) countries like China, in other emerging markets…that Iran was the rational actor hereIran tried its best to work within a framework of international law, the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, but it was the United States, as it has treated key countries in the Middle East for decades, that was unwilling to work within the parameters of international law and to recognize basic sovereign and treaty rightsThat’s their Plan B—if the United States can’t do the deal, they still come out ahead in terms of important actors both at home and abroad.”

On Syria, Hillary suggests that the growing Western focus on al-Qa’ida-like jihadis in opposition ranks obscures a much more important point—even if al-Qa’ida-like elements had not permeated the opposition, why does the United States think it should be supporting armed rebels to overthrow the recognized government of a UN member state?  As Hillary recounts, “This didn’t work in Iraq (before al-Qa’ida was there; of course, now al-Qa’ida is there, after we said we had a dog in that fight), it didn’t work in Libya, it didn’t work in AfghanistanThe idea that when we choose to become involved in a fight, it’s going to turn out to help us is just not borne out by history, but we continue to make the mistake.”

As for an appropriate American approach to the Syrian conflict and other Middle Eastern challenges, Hillary says that the United States shouldn’t just “go home and essentially be isolationist.  I believe very much in free trade, and I believe very much in diplomacy and conflict resolution.  And there does need to be real conflict resolution in Syria.”  In this regard,

“We have a real asset in Lakhdar Brahimi, the UN envoy.  He has worked on exactly these kinds of problems in Iraq, in Lebanon, in Somalia, in Haiti, and in Afghanistan, where I worked with him personally for about two years.  And in each of those situations, he didn’t come up with a fantastic, Pollyanna government for each of these places.  But he has a core formula [that] would really help to stop the destabilization and killing that we see in Syria, which is:  you work with the sitting government, and you work with forces on the ground to gradually bring them into not a liberal democracy, but into a much more representative and inclusive power-sharing arrangement…You’re not going to get great ‘good governance,’ with no corruption and fantastic human rights treatment—but you will, over time, have a much more stable environment, where far fewer people are killed, and the opportunity for that country to politically reconstitute itself along its own lines, its own values, and its own position in the world.”

Hillary’s interview preceded the tragicomic antics surrounding UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon’s invitation to Iran to participate in Geneva II—which Ban spinelessly rescinded less than 24 hours later after tantrum-like outbursts from the Syrian National Council and (more consequentially) strategically witless (and utterly predictable) pressure from the Obama administration.  Clearly, the Brahimi formula is not going to be given a chance to work in Syria anytime soon—but something like it will probably prove critical to any eventual political settlement to the conflict there.

In the interview, Hillary also discusses Iran’s internal political dynamics regarding a possible improvement in relations with the United States, the strategic incoherence of Israeli and Saudi opposition to any U.S. opening to the Islamic Republic, continuing Western mythmaking about Iran’s “nuclear weapons” program, and more.

Finally, as the Joint Plan of Action formally goes into effect, we want to call attention to two recent posts on Dan Joyner’s Arms Control Law that do an excellent job criticizing some of the more egregious distortions of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and international law more generally that various American pundits have advanced in their bloviations about the Joint Plan.  One, see here, lambastes Orde Kittrie’s assertion that the implementing agreement for the Joint Plan—not the Joint Plan itself, mind you, but the implementing agreement—is actually a secret treaty; the other, see here, takes on the chronically wrong Ray Takeyh.  His latest missive, misrepresenting the Additional Protocol to the NPT, is co-authored by Mitchell Reiss, who appeared in advertisements publicly advocating for the MEK—many of whose advocates acknowledge receiving at least $20,000 per endorsement—while the U.S. government still designated it as a foreign terrorist organization.

–Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett

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271 Responses to “Iran, Syria and the Tragicomedy of U.S. Foreign Policy”

  1. Smith says:

    Points to be noted are:

    1- Nuclear deal will go no where. Iranians will not accept an unjust position forced on them because the big bully says so. And Obama, even if he wanted to (which is in doubt) can not deflect the psychopathic enmity that US public always craves for (in movies, games & media) away from Iran. Since US currently has no other. For this one, he will have to make an enemy “larger and scarier” than Iran with even religious flavorings. Whether we like it or not, US public (at least the evangelically inclined) have declared Iran to be their holy nemesis. Obama is too intellectually smallish to be able to “lead” America out of what it has been “led” into for the past three decades. Iran will have to eventually become nuclear armed in order to be able to safeguard its own existence from the madness of the king.

    2- When the nuclear negotiations fail, Iranians will have to decide whether they want to slide back decades into a worsening economy due to ever more toughening sanctions or whether they are ready to accept the supremacy and centrality of science and technology in a modern economy. That miracles do not happen and that the science of management must be based on reality of data. There are only two choices left: “Rent and disaster” or “R&D and industrialization”. Americans and their stooges inside Iran would definitely push to make Iran fail. But if Iran succeeds, then that Iran will not be the Iran of today. It will be a true super power.

    3- The fact that international law was never meant to benefit the weaklings in the world must be clear by now. Laws are only as effective as those following them. In international arena, there is no police or court. States follow the laws as a gentle”men” agreement. But the history shows that is never the case when one side is a weak state and the other side is a super large bully. US along with UK have almost eradicated of what remained of international law after their debacle in Iraq with the continuation of enmity towards Iran over baseless claims and lies.

    4- As with Geneva-2, Bam Si Loon is just a puppet. He is a lobotomized clown. The invitation had come directly from US, with the intention to see how far, Iran can be pushed. In control system engineering it is called “feed forward control system”. An action is taken before it is required, based on the calculation (hope) that the result of which will turn out to be favorable to the system in question by the time the result has disseminated itself throughout the topography of the system. It is too soon to say who benefited (or will benefit) from this engineered scenario, but one thing became clear because of it: that US is not interested in peace in Syria. It views the situation there as a control device for its other (nefarious) games and designs.

    5- MEK does not have any money. It was a Soviet proxy, that became a proxy of the proxy of Soviet Union through Saddam that became a proxy of a proxy of a proxy of United States through France and Israel. The money in question comes form other places. People like Ray, Chalabi etc etc are just opportunists. Just like “opportunist bacteria”, they only become infectious if the host is weak. Trying to battle them is hard and often futile. The best way is to keep the host strong so that these opportunists go back to doing what they do best in biological systems: “final processing of the waste in the gut”.

  2. Hans says:

    4- As with Geneva-2, Bam Si Loon is just a puppet. He is a lobotomized clown. The invitation had come directly from US, with the intention to see how far, Iran can be pushed.

    I think the grinning FM of Iran, gave some assurances to the UN about Iran’s acceptance. This is a quote from the spokesperson of Ban Ki Moon

    “Iran understands that the basis of the talks is the full implementation of the 30 June 2012 Geneva Communique, including the Action Plan.
    Foreign Minister Zarif and I agree that the goal of the negotiations is to establish, by mutual consent, a transitional governing body with full executive powers.”

    I have said before and i will say again again, this FM is an appeaser, i think he will be lucky if he is allowed to continue for much longer.

  3. BiBiJon says:

    Hans says:
    January 21, 2014 at 5:35 am

    I am not sure I’d take Ban’s LATEST word over Zarif’s.

    24 hours before, we had this:

    Ban told reporters Sunday that after “intensive” discussions, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif agreed to attend the conference — called “Geneva II,” even though it’s actually convening in Montreux — and promised that Iran would play “a positive and constructive role.”

    From http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/19/22361750-iran-to-join-syria-peace-talks-un-chief?lite

    You see the problem Hans? Had Zarif said anything remotely like accepting a pre-result, an Assad-less transitional government, then surely Ban would be shouting from the roof tops that Iran has accepted the pre-result, not that he merely promised to be “positive and constructive.”

    So, perhaps cutting Zarif some slack is in order here.

  4. kooshy says:

    Nothing will be coming out or will be decided by this G2 meeting, for western states are just another stage to renew their public demonization of Assad. For Russia going it alone is to show action and subsiding possible demonization during and before the winter Olympics. No one is going there to seriously does anything list of invites shows is just a show. The demonization has already started, I guess the decision is to wait for another 130000

    “A six-person panel of experts, assembled by a law firm working for the government of Qatar, a main sponsor of the Syrian opposition, said the 26,948 images appeared to be evidence of the killing of as many as 11,000 prisoners, provided by “a truthful and credible witness.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/22/world/middleeast/syria.html?_r=0

  5. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Deep Purple’s prevoyance on Uncle $cam (aka “Stupid”) aborting the “Geneva” Conference

    We all came out to Montreux
    On the Lake Geneva shoreline
    To make records with a mobile
    We didn’t have much time
    Frank Zappa and the Mothers
    Were at the best place around
    But some stupid with a flare gun
    Burned the place to the ground
    Smoke on the water, fire in the sky…

  6. Khomeini says:

    By barring Iran from Geneva 2, United States has demonstrated how amateur and cowboy it is. US so called elected president cannot even makeup his mind if wants Iran invited or not.

    It is strange to see that Saudi Arabia is invited to Geneva 2 when it is the same Saudi Arabia that is responsible for twin blasts in front of Iran’s embassy in Beirut. It is also responsible for terrorist attack on Iranian diplomat in Yemen. Above all, Saudis are funding and arming head-chopping, heart eating cannibals in Syria. Yet Saudi Arabia is invited to Geneva and US is fine with that !!!

  7. James Canning says:

    I think the White House clearly is willing to “accept” Iran, including Iranian limited nuclear capability. Key word here is “limited”.

  8. James Canning says:

    When Nixon went to China in 1972, the Republican Party did not depend upon the Chinese for financing electoral success in national elections in the US. Obama is keenly aware that Jews provide more than half of campaign finance for Democrats in national elections in the US.

  9. James Canning says:

    Khomeini,

    One concern for Obama was that if Iran attended the peace conference, there would be no conference because the insurgents would not attend.

  10. James Canning says:

    Do American newspapers try to remind their readers that numerous American politicians and lobbyists supported the terrorist organisation MEK? Of course not.

  11. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    “One concern for Obama was that if Iran attended the peace conference, there would be no conference because the insurgents would not attend.”

    Ahah… well done ! Another serious solid BS.
    You never stop to amaze people arround.
    Please go on.

  12. Smith says:

    Angela,

    Before the world had NIH: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25811715

  13. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    Are you arguing that the insurgents would attend the peace conference, if Iran attends? You might be correct. I of course think Iran should attend.

  14. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    Obama may well have thought the insurgents would not attend, if Iran did attend.
    Or, are you claiming this was just some sort of PR?

  15. Khomeini says:

    James Canning says:
    January 21, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    “One concern for Obama was that if Iran attended the peace conference, there would be no conference because the insurgents would not attend.”

    That is laughable. Do you actually believe this…..ha ha ha …lol.

    All Obama had to do was threaten the insurgents that US diplomatic cover, weapons and money will be cut if they do not attend. The mere threat could have made the insurgents put their tail between their hairy legs and attend Geneva 2 with Iran.

  16. Fiorangela says:

    Smith says:
    January 21, 2014 at 3:04 pm

    Yes, the barbaric practices are interesting, but consider this: it is likely that buttocks cups were the procedure prescribed by the NIH of its day.

    Just because something emerges from NIH does not make it the last, or best, word.

    A year or so ago a friend was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. She was treated by the usual means in US: surgery, chemotherapy, radiation therapy. Her insides were hollowed out, she lost at least a third of her weight, various organs were scarred from treatments, but still the cancer was present.

    She flew to Europe and was treated with hemp extracts. The cancer was eradicated in three or four weeks. Now her only problems are the blockages to vital organs caused by the chemo- and radiation treatments.

    Further, and to the original point that I made, that Iranians might have important contributions to make to the medical field, I recall reading that Iran had advanced nanotechnology treatments that (if I recall correctly) implanted a device that oxygenated cancerous cells and thus eradicated them, without the side effects of chemotherapy and radiation, and with encouraging success rates.

    I take your point, but I revisit my original point: different cultures have different, and possibly superior, contributions to make to the well-being of the human body, and the human psyche, and to human society. The USA/West does not have all the answers nor necessarily the best answers.

  17. Fiorangela says:

    James Canning says:
    January 21, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    “When Nixon went to China in 1972, the Republican Party did not depend upon the Chinese for financing electoral success in national elections in the US. Obama is keenly aware that Jews provide more than half of campaign finance for Democrats in national elections in the US.”

    = = =

    But Republicans also rely heavily on financing from Jewish donors. Adelson was Newt Gingrich’s major backer in his presidential bid; he shifted his support to Mitt Romney.

    Thus, the playing field is level, or at least, the risk/reward calculation is equal for both Repub and Dem. If Obama were a statesman, he would bet on doing the right thing for the American people and in that way gain their vote, not on pandering to a fickle funder to provide money to BUY that vote, especially in light of the risk that the funder would pull his support for any of a number of uncontrollable reasons.

  18. BiBiJon says:

    Khomeini says:
    January 21, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    James Canning says:
    January 21, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    “All Obama had to do was threaten the insurgents that US diplomatic cover, weapons and money will be cut if they do not attend.”

    Actually, the most coercive tool would have been to cap hotel bills at 2 star or less. The ‘hotel insurgents’ have no authority/mandate to negotiate anything, not even from the ‘rebels.’

  19. Smith says:

    Fiorangela says:
    January 21, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    The point is that NIH specifically and western medicine in general ‘learns’ from the mistakes, while other systems are not capable of learning.

    Cancer of pancreas has one of the lowest survival rates (about one percent for five years). It is next to cancer of liver as the most lethal forms of cancer. The cancer, hemp and the effect of chemo is more complex than that. Eventually cancer is also going to be solved as the infectious disease was. But this will come out of western medicine. Rest assured. Breast cancer had a survival rate of less than 1% in five years). The situation is now much improved. And I am very skeptical of hemp curing pancreatic cancer. I have heard, Steve Jobs also had grown skeptical towards the end (he had opted to use hemp first and chemo later).

    No peer reviewed treatment for cancer has come out of Iran yet. And it will not come unless Iran does not pour money into research and development.

    Science is the same, no matter what culture it comes from. The only difference between cultures is one being encouraging of science while others being dismissive of it. Iran inclines towards closer towards the later category over the spectrum.

    The east, specially countries like Iran have paid a huge price both in wealth and lives for having resisted science and technology for long. Culture, novelty voodoo hocus pocus and historical glory can not substitute science. I understand though that in times of desperation like when afflicted with a cancer for which current scientific knowledge is lacking, one would become inclined towards voodoo. That is just human.

  20. Smith says:

    The super corrupt and the tip of icerberg of their contribution to the economy in Iran: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/01/iran-legacy-rent-economy.html

  21. Khomeini says:

    BiBiJon says:
    January 21, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    “Actually, the most coercive tool would have been to cap hotel bills at 2 star or less. The ‘hotel insurgents’ have no authority/mandate to negotiate anything, not even from the ‘rebels.’”

    Good stuff. Bravo, Bravo.

  22. ordinary says:

    It may well be a good cover, to allow Iran to participate in the sideline, to keep Golf states cool and save face for them in their respective countries. Perhaps the most important negotiations will happen in that sideline.

    Kerry is a smart, if he says something and the state department denies it, it must be all intentional. Kerry can’t be making these all mistakes. Directly inviting Iran to the meeting could have raised many red flags that would endanger even the current progress made with Iran.

    Iran promised to be “positive and constructive”. It is all positive.

    I guess next 20 years of consistently semi-positive dealing is required before Iran is perceived capable of running as a sovereign power, hence it must earn it, a revolution is not by itself enough. Iran needs to commercialize its military knowledge to build up its commercial industry, needs to pure money into research and development (and get the educated to work on projects of all sorts across the country).

    Iran has proved that it is capable of managing its national interests and runs an effective foreign policy, let’s now see how it invests the released money. Tough battles still remains ahead, it is perceived that Islamic ideology is not the right model for a people, Iran can prove this one way or the other – by its people (the governing and the governed, the old and young) – indeed very difficult – Allah knows if such an awesome fit matters to the guidance of an individual look at the time of David, but once charged to try can’t turn on heels! it is difficult because regardless of the efforts each individual gets it at a different age and every individual can go astray at any age and very many govern and are governed.

  23. BiBiJon says:

    Priorities
    ==========

    “President Obama faces difficult choices in his Middle East strategy, conditioned in major part by domestic politics and pressures. He cannot at one and the same time exert pressure on the Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, allow Iran to join the Syria negotiations, and pursue a nuclear agreement with Iran that includes reducing sanctions. The obvious strategic priority is boxing in the Iranian nuclear program, even if that risks postponing serious attempts to stop the killing in Syria.

    Thus the Syria talks do not begin auspiciously, to say the least.”

    From http://www.lobelog.com/syria-still-haunting-obamas-strategy-in-the-middle-east/

  24. James Canning says:

    Fiorangela,

    I think Jewish funding of Democrats far exceeds Jewish funding of Republicans, in national political contests in the US. Granted, Adelson put a vast sum into his effort to get Obama out of the White House.

  25. James Canning says:

    Khomeini,

    I do not think American funding is a big factor in the finances of the Syrian insurgents.

    Obama seems to be taking considerable flak from the Saudis (on issue of Iran’s attendance at peace conference).

    I assume Israel and Aipac are trying to keep Iran out.

  26. ToivoS says:

    Hillary’s statement ” if the pro-Israel lobby is able to secure a vote on the new sanctions bill, and to sustain the promised veto of said bill by President Obama, “that would be such a dramatic blow to President Obama, and not just on his foreign policy agenda, but it would be devastating to his domestic agenda.”

    is key. Senate Democrats that currently support the negotiation killing legislation are also aware of this. It would be devastating to their own legislative goals as well. That is why I think the Senate will not challenge Obama’s stance on negotiations with Iran. This position is difficult to support with verifiable facts but is based on my understanding for how the Senate operates.

    Take Schumer as an example. People who know him have reported that he quite frankly does not have strong feelings about Israel one way or the other. His stand on Israel is purely opportunistic and it puts him in a position the raise large amounts of campaign funds. These funds are not just for himself but they also go to support other Senate Democrats. This is to his advantage because he has ambitions to become the leader of the Senate Dems. If it was perceived that he derailed Obama’s efforts to negotiate peace with Iran, thereby wounding both Obama and Congressional Democrats, he would never be elected leader in the Senate. Thus I suspect that his tough on Iran talk is for his financial supporters but that Senate discussions in private are quite different.

    I would imagine that the New Jersey Senators Booker and Menendez are playing a similar game. Somehow through the arcane rules that govern Senate procedure, something will happen so that no vote will ever come to the floor. Then everybody will be happy.

    Bottom line — Obama and Kerry will carry the day and an agreement with Iran will be reached. Not sure what the final package will look like, but we can be reasonably see that it will be an end to sanctions (or most of them) and acceptance of Iran’s rights under the NPT.

  27. BiBiJon says:

    “Science is the same, no matter what culture it comes from. The only difference between cultures is one being encouraging of science while others being dismissive of it. Iran inclines towards closer towards the later category over the spectrum.”

    Thus spake Smithen as a kitten.

    But, wait. http://www.neaman.org.il/Neaman2011/Templates/showpage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=580&FID=964&IID=1253

    BS spake Smithen as a kitten.

  28. Don Bacon says:

    All this focus on Obama is flattering to him but it neglects the facts that Syria, Iran, Afghanistan and anywhere else one might mention are completely free of his influence, which is a good thing.

    Specifically, Iran is in the cat-bird seat no matter what the US does. Iran has gained Iraq as an ally, will soon have more influence in Afghanistan, and then add Turkey Syria Russia India and China to those.

  29. kooshy says:

    Oral understanding?
    Just the right idiot for running US’s UN

    “UN: Ban Had Only ‘Oral Understanding’ With Iran”
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ban-oral-understanding-iran-21612366

  30. A concerned world citizen says:

    The UN’s Ban is a total fool..I don’t know which past UN head he should be compared to. He’s as useless as the word useless itself.

    How can he publicly make a statement and then suddenly change his mind because someone wasn’t happy? I mean, seriously????

    The Geneva II is dead. What we’re witnessing is just some gathering of some countries for formalities sakes.The outcome of the Syrian conflict, will be decided on the battlefield.

  31. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    “Obama may well have thought the insurgents would not attend, if Iran did attend.Or, are you claiming this was just some sort of PR?”

    The SNC people are just straw men.
    They represent only themselves.
    They are used as toys in foreign powers hands to justify their meddling in Syrian affairs and regime change.
    Everybody comprehend that and your position is utterly ridiculous to believe otherwise.
    Tough it provided a nice slice of laugh.

    The only rationally moral position is the Iranian one.
    Each side should be subject to valid election result to justify their representativness.
    Including Assad.
    Any deal should be brought on this basis.
    And Iran asserted officially that it would accept any election outcome no matter the winner.
    Assuming the votes were not rigged.

    Obviously the SNC does expect to win elections.
    That is why they did not want to be present at the Geneva II while Iran is attending.
    What the various rebel clans want is Assad to be ousted without proving themselves to be the legally chosen representatives of the Syrian people.
    That is by way of foreign supplied arms, money, man power and intelligence. As well as Foreign powers impositions and diplomatic tricks and stunts.
    Without foreign aid the opposition is worth less than nothing.
    That is simply why, the so called opposition is totally unable to deny US and their other backers the attendance to Geneva II if the latters pressured the formers.

    It has always been a geopolitical game between the US and allies against Russia, Iran and allies.
    By denying Iran a role in the Geneva II talks the US is simply stating that they are not after a settlement.
    No matter the MSM and diplomatic propaganda.

    You supporting the US charade does not come as a surprise though and only makes you appear as the real fool you are.

    The US are maybe not 100% responsable of the KSA position and terrorist support.
    However by their very position in denying negociation between all involved parties and stakeholders the US are in effect supporting the worst Al Qaeda and extremist terrorists actions.

    That is great dishonor and the continuation of the US crumbling position in the ME.
    Truly ugly and pathetic.

  32. nico says:

    Typo.

    Obviously the SNC does NOT expect to win FAIR elections.

  33. Ataune says:

    BiBiJon says:

    January 21, 2014 at 8:14 pm

    Actually I think most of Rami Khouri’s articles can be dis-missed easily. In this one he’s, as usual, trying to trick his readers by displaying an appearence of siding with the “resistance” while asking the question, loaded with false assumptions, of how Iran will manage the post-Assad area with the minimum loss of credibility. I don’t know why somehow he reminds me of Friedman or Brooks… plenty of false certitude but zero accurate predictions to show for.

  34. Don Bacon says:

    Actually, the SNC represents Saudi Arabia. Its chief Ahmad al-Jarba is Bandar’s man in Syria.

  35. Karl.. says:

    I dont understand why Syria agree to have these talks at all, its not like theyre getting out of these talks with more power than they have today.

  36. Fiorangela says:

    Smith @ 5:19

    “while other systems are not capable of learning.”

    Rather broad statement, Smith, and not supported by the facts

    http://www.nanotech-now.com/news.cgi?story_id=45381
    Iran Presents New Anti-Cancer Nanodrug to Market
    Tehran, Iran | Posted on June 16th, 2012

    “The first home-made chemotherapy drug produced by utilizing nanotechnology was presented to the drug market today and can be used by gastrointestinal cancer patients,” Iranian Deputy Health Minister for Food and Drugs Affairs Ebrahim Sheibani told reporters on Wednesday.

    He said that after the domestic production of the nanodrug, Iran’s imports of chemotherapy medicines have decreased by $5mln.

  37. Fiorangela says:

    James Canning says:
    January 21, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    The fundamental concept of a hedge fund seems to have eluded you.

    The ENTIRE US Congress rose to applaud Netanyahu; the ENTIRE US Congress gives overwhelming majority votes only to issues that involve Israel.

    The best, maybe the only way for US unemployed to get extension of unemployment insurance might be for them to migrate en masse to Israel.

  38. Fiorangela says:

    Major Rebel Faction Withdraws Ahead of Syria Talks
    Opposes Any Negotiated Settlement
    by Jason Ditz, January 21, 2014
    http://news.antiwar.com/2014/01/21/major-rebel-faction-withdraws-ahead-of-syria-talks/

    “The sudden invitation and uninvitation of Iran to the Geneva II peace talks, set to begin Wednesday in Montreaux, have stirred up quite a bit of acrimony on their own, but the situation is getting much worse, and the talks much more pointless.

    Now the only rebel faction involved in the talks, the Syrian National Coalition (SNC), has lost its large internal party, the Syrian National Council, which is withdrawing from the talks, from the coalition, and from participation in the international community’s dealings in general.

    The Council is citing its objections to the Geneva II talks as a reason for its decision, saying it rejects any negotiated settlement with the Assad government. This leaves the already small SNC even more irrelevant among the rebels.

    Yet the SNC remains literally the only show in town in Montreaux, as the much larger Islamist factions have likewise rejected the talks and in many cases weren’t even invited.

    The US insists the goal of the talks is to impose regime change to “end the violence,” but with materially all of the rebel combatants uninvolved in the conference there’s no reason to think it’s going anywhere.”

  39. Sakineh Bagoom says:

    Fiorangela says: January 21, 2014 at 4:42 pm
    Fio,
    I think George Carlin had it right when he said, and I’m paraphrasing here, that the last thing western medicine “cured” was polio. Now, the drug companies want to keep you hooked on their products for the rest of your life. I see some here have much adoration for that.

  40. James Canning says:

    Fiorangela,

    Yes, the “entire” US Congress at times acts as the collective docile stooge of aipac.
    But the fact remains that Jews have given more money to Democrats, for national political campaigns in the US over the past 40 or 50 years, than the rest of the American people combined. That said, Republicans are usually eager stooges of the Israel lobby in recent years.

  41. BiBiJon says:

    Don’t miss http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/eu-needs-new-approach-iran

    by Tarja Cronberg MEP, the chair of the European Parliament Iran delegation

  42. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    Just what is my position, regarding the Syrian peace conference? In your understanding.

    When I say that Obama apparently thought this or that, it does not mean I think the same way on that issue.

    I continue to say Obama should back the Russians in their effort to end the civil war in Syria.

  43. ordinary says:

    Iran, or a culture can’t be dismissive of sciences, especially in Islam’s teaching, and it defies basic logic. We can’t be choosing our rules, if we are to help people we must be strive in sciences, that God avails to human (and that includes medicine, computing, regular household good, agriculture, clean air, clean environment – in addition to defending to defending the land).

    The government, through the people pouring money into R&D) must progressively build a society that functions independently, a society that helps other societies in the world in medicine and science and spirituality. Then Iran will not be accepted but Iran will become it.

    On the other hand we can’t screw up and say “in God we return”, though we do surly return to God, in hell we’ll be placed. Once we take a responsibility of a society through the revolution, a promise is made, and a promise is most sacred to God. God makes all the obstacles and removes all the obstacles, if one forgets and attributes the lack of devotion of its people to God and the tools God provided to man to solve its problems, and instead, attributes its problems to sanctions and oppressions by foreign regimes – that one has gone astray, because it defies the logic in Islam (obviously Iran has made strides in sciences to defend itself, there it is not dismissive, yet in oil refining, or making carbon monoxide filter that it should freely put into cars!, this defies logic in Islam).

    On another note, while it is there, don’t miss the article in NY-Times, “My title for it would be “a human in his making“:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/19/opinion/sunday/for-the-love-of-money.html?_r=2

  44. Karl.. says:

    Tommorow rouhani but also netanyahu speak in Swizz, you think netanyahu will warmonger against Iran as usual? Another bomb-image?

  45. Smith says:

    Fiorangela says:
    January 22, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    You wanna a life surrounded by lies? Do by all means. I have no problem with that. You apparently love lies, just like many others here. But, I had this question, God forbid if you had a gastrointestinal cancer would you use that medicine, you are promoting here? A medicine that does not even have a name? forget about clinical trials, peer reviews and molecular structure studies etc etc. I know the answer, so do not bother. A just person would want the same thing for the rest of humanity as he/she wants it for him/herself. The problem is not you, though. It is the Iranian society which is so much hooked up on lies.

    And then there are more lies, in the article you have linked to:

    1) There are some western medicines which Iran has reverse engineered. That is well and good. But projecting them on media as if they were “NEW” medicines is a big lie. This unnamed medicine you have brought to the discussion, is either one of those or that it does not exist. Iran has not made a new medicine since Razi had extracted ethanol many centuries ago.

    2) There are some 1000 medicine molecules. Iran imports 99% of them as per Iran’s health minister. A few that have been reverse engineered with variable and mostly unproven bio-effects are still not being made enough for the local markets. The figure of 97% in your article is for actually packaging drugs (the API’s for those drugs are imported). So portraying as if Iran manufactures 97% of its own medicines is again a big lie. If that was the case, Iranians would not have been crying because of lack of medicine.

    3) The article say: “Iran has made huge achievements in various fields of science and technology, from nuclear knowledge to stem cell and Nano technology.”

    That is actually true. And Iranian researchers are among the most efficient with money. That is even a small amount of investment in Iranian R&D produces more results in Iran than say in US. But the amount allocated to R&D has been traditionally very low, so much as being useless. The science that does not solve nation’s problems is useless. One billion dollar R&D budget per year for whole of Iran is a joke.

    4) Those 15 medicines the article, talks about are all reverse engineered western medicines. They are NOT NEW medicines. Take the example of Salmeterol for asthma inhalers. Iran has claimed to have “made” (reverse engineered) it inside the country. Shortages are still common and it still has to be imported.

    5) Such lies had become so big that Ahmadinejad had to kick out his own health minister and bring in a new one, just months before the election. Because the lies could not be hidden anymore. Some one had to pay the price. Your article omits to mention these facts.

    6) Your article says: “Also earlier this year, Iranian scientists succeeded in producing new types of medication for treating different kinds of cancer, viral diseases and arthritis with 100% positive results.”

    All lies. What are the names, molecular structures, clinical trials, approved indications, pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic studies for these supposedly new “drugs”? You know that in Western medicine, you are supposed to publish these “trivial” facts. In Voodoo, ofcourse, the situation is different and these trivialities are discarded and anybody who questions it, will be taken to dungeon and tortured to death.

    100% positive results? You must be kidding me. There is no medicine in the world, that has 100% positive results. Any one on this forum who has any background in medical sciences, testifies that only this statement singularly exposes the big lies in your article. It is actually going to become a laughing stock if you ever show that to your doctor, pharmacist or a scientist. 100%, huh? It looks more like Voodoo than science. Even the most effective medicines do not claim to have 100% positive results.

    And the Ziferon and others are actually biosimilar drugs (read reverse engineered drugs) made possible by help from a German company. As per studies in Iran as well, doctors reports and patient complaints, they are not working as the original foreign made ones (Ask MS patients/doctors in Iran). Whether the German company did not want to give all the technology (bio culture) or whether the Iranian company has screwed up some where in their manufacturing processes, we will never find out since in Voodoo cultures, questions are not tolerated.

    At the end, I have to emphasize that you can afford to side with voodoo and lies in Iran as much as you like because you are not the one who is paying the price. The Iranian diabetics, asthmatics, hypertensive etc etc population have to pay the price. At the end of the day, the max you will ever contemplate to try out in addition to FDA approved molecules is jolly good hippy hemp. And that says alot.

    In the meanwhile, in your country, progress is continuing on robotic gamma knives and ever more sensitive ELISA workstations for ever more earliest detection of cancer.

    Only if we could have a breed of American people who would have wanted the same for Iranians as they want it for themselves. Alas, I am not seeing that.

  46. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    “Just what is my position, regarding the Syrian peace conference? In your understanding.”

    Who cares what is your deeply hidden position ?
    The point is that you buy in and spread falsehood about Obama not wanting Iran to attend the Geneva II talk because of SNC threats to withdraw their participation.
    That is simply ridiculous.
    Neither the SNC, Assad or any Syrian party is relevant.
    A meeting with only the US, Russia, KSA and Iran would be enough to find a peace solution.
    The US are either directly at the source of the Syrian unrest or alternatively are supporting the KSA.
    The US and KSA do not want a peacefull settlement. Period.

    As rightly stated by Iran official the Geneva II conference without such conditions being met is simply a political show.

    A poltical show made pathetic because of the US pathetic position.

    That is politics : people disagree and are not willing to see or accept reality.
    But make no mistake the reality on the ground does not disappear because some KSA ruler do not accept it.

  47. Fiorangela says:

    Smith,

    Thank god, or voodoo, or Zeus, or Italian peasant genes, or my Mother’s persistent warning that “we’re too poor to get sick,” I seldom take so much as an aspirin.

    You appear to be well versed in the procedures of medical science. Iran should be proud of you, and you should be proud of yourself, and of the efforts of your nation. I don’t think discoveries and uses of medical science are a cultural either/or: when all contribute to the best of their ability, all benefit.

  48. Castellio says:

    Don Bacon says: January 21, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    Do you think the fact Iraq is now Iran’s ally is part of the reason for the renewed uprising in Iraq?

  49. Smith says:

    Fiorangela says:
    January 22, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    Certainly, thank God for your health and may you remain healthy forever. I would say its the Italian genes (specially if they are of southern Italian variety, which are almost indestructible).

    Unfortunately, best of ability argument will not work for Iran, anymore.

    A country that has the world’s highest number of years lost to disease and disability for women and second highest for men, best of ability is not enough.

    And culture is very important. It is the culture that starts from within a home that leads to formation of capable scientists. A culture that does not value science and rather values bazar, is a diseased culture which is the core problem in Iran.

    Maybe, fyi, would be able to put in a better way. But Iran (along with many of these third world countries) has serious anti-science culture. Still, the hopes of miracles, voodoo and cargo cult are going strong.

    You said Italy, right? Then I have to thank you once again on another account. This time because of University of Bologna, the world’s oldest and the first university AND Galileo who is central in waking up the man and shattering the gibberish of cargo cults and voodoo. Without these two gigantic contributions, the world would have been a different place than we know it today.

    Finally, you should be proud of yourself, your ethnicity and where you live. As for me, I do not think Iran is currently proud of people like us, nor are we welcome to contribute. In a sense Iran is living in pre-Galileo Italy. It does not leave much space for much pride right now.

  50. Khomeini says:

    Why is there always an torture report or chemical weapon attack just before a meeting on Syria?

    And Why do many people never see this consistent pattern?

  51. kooshy says:

    Khomeini says:
    January 22, 2014 at 5:34 pm
    And Why do many people never see this consistent pattern?

    General everyday street walking Yankees go to work come home and watch sports they don’t or wouldn’t care to worry on political affairs especially international kinds.

    The ones do fallow and understand are either marginalized like you and me or they benefit and arrange for this.

    This will not change up until a genuine uncontrolled uprising due to real economic in capability like collapse of the fiat currency, which is far away for now ( 10+ years) since USA can still live off of accumulated belly fat.

  52. Don Bacon says:

    Castellio says:
    January 22, 2014 at 5:13 pm

    Do you think the fact Iraq is now Iran’s ally is part of the reason for the renewed uprising in Iraq?

    Basically no. I think that the US was complicit in the Feb 2006 Samarra mosque bombing which greatly exacerbated the Sunni-Shia divide in Iraq, and then Maliki never reconciled with the Sunni, which was the political point of the Surge in 2007. But it wasn’t done. The Surge was a failure therefore.

    So basically it is an Iraq affair with an armed insurgency against an undemocratic government. But with Iraq being an ally of Iran now (thank you, Uncle Sam) I would expect that the US is continuing its policy of creating instability, probably with some help from its ally KSA, an Iran enemy. The US, as we’ve seen with Syria, acts against any ally of Iran.

  53. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    I assume Obama and the White House took a good deal of flak from Aipac and other elements of the Israel lobby, due to John Kerry’s apparent wish that Iran be allowed to attend the Syrian peace conference.

  54. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    What Obama actually is thinking on various issues obviously is important.

  55. kooshy says:

    Dan if you (and Americans) had a better understanding of Iraq (the fertile part) you would have had a better understanding that why Iraq could not be or never be a Sunni country, especially economically all the merchant economy of Iraq is shieh related including in Iraqi Kurdistan. If it was not for the Americans I bet Iraq would have become a shieh country back in mid-80.

    As long as majority of any of these countries is shieh they have no choice but to become an ally of the largest and strongest shieh country basically that is the only way they can secure themselves from hostilities, this is not because of the Americans or fear of Americans or Israel that is a joke, no the fear is to be ruled by Sunnis as second class citizens like in Pakistan, so the only thing American did was to be the instrument of an eventual (small civil war) change in Iraq. There is no way any one of these branches is going to be able to rule the other sect anymore majority will vote for shieh and shieh government will be siding and trusting each other for security.

  56. kooshy says:

    BTW

    Yazd is the most advance center for reproductive/ fertility medicine in Middle East.

  57. ordinary says:

    @Smith

    Perhaps I have been away for too long to make a plausible argument, but I will try it because your responses to Fiorangela did not sit well with me.

    First I say hang in there, people like you make life worth it. Iranians are among the smartest and most creative engineers and scientists in the west. Most of the current batch are born and raised in Iran and left the country, because, except a for few graduates from top Iranian universities who came here for hopefully good reasons, the rest could not get into the universities there but had the means to study elsewhere. So there must be many orders of magnitude real geniuses there in Iran and they are being born every day.

    Not to say you purported this, yet to be clear, there is nothing wrong with reverse engineering products, this happens in west as well. Indeed Iranian must do this in every industry to speed out of this mess as soon as possible. It is ethical as long as it is to satisfy the obvious needs, and for reasonable profit. I agree, one must claim the product is reverse engineered, and for obvious reasons. Sue me for saving lives. Sue me for saving the environment we all breath in, etc.

    True there are those that prefer bazar, a country needs scientists and businessmen.

    As you mentioned, if R&D budget is dramatically increased, the problems can be solved as the esteemed scientist will come to practice science.

    Lobbying is the way things get done in the west, people participate in the process, they join or form parties and stay active in it, they communicate their ideas and try to understand priorities, sometimes for a whole lifetime, tirelessly, calmly, smartly, politely, they make a career out of it, such so that they get invited to TV, to the talk shows and get interviewed by magazines – because they sell their ideas patiently and politely media or politicians know these activists will not act like loose cannons hurting every guilty or innocent who might help them one day.

    But not through blame and criticism, not like a revolutionary, but though thinking positively, believing in the leaders and the process, that there are good people out there that will help once they understand.

    Also through opening new awareness parties, lobbying professors, movie directors, writers, artists, anyone that can help in a patient non-confrontational way, as we don’t want to hurt the cause itself.

    Iranians tend to give up too fast and get confrontational and self destructive. Though I must say the foreign policy team has learned the process so well I wondered at times if they are Iranians, this is really hopeful if people see why this team is being successful, internally.

    As we all know patience is a virtue. We must trade our pride for perseverance, and God wills it.

  58. Smith says:

    ordinary says:
    January 22, 2014 at 8:06 pm

    I do not know, maybe I was writing in Russian. But here are some points so maybe things become more comprehensible for you:

    1) There are creative scientists from Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Tanzania and even Mongolia and yes Iran too, in the Western countries. My question is why their talent does not bloom in their own countries? It is a simple question. Why an Iranian Sharif university graduate comes to US and he finds all the help from the government, from the banks and from the business community to start up a technology company, but he can not do so in Iran?

    Why no bank will ever invest in a start up technology company by fresh young graduates? Why all their “investments” are in rentier economy, import businesses and real state? Why a young Iranian inventor feels, his invention is safe in US, but not in Iran? Why a perspective entrepreneur in Iran feels, his investment is not safe and can be confiscated at any time? Why a farmer who sold his wheat to government forcibly at rates set by government (and not free market) has not yet been paid after 20 years? Why and why?

    2) There is nothing wrong with reverse engineering, I have been saying this on this forum myself. In fact it is the only way for Iran. Just lying will not do it. At least if you want to do reverse engineering, for God’s sake, do it. Whether it is catalytic converters for cars to reduce pollution or making medicines. But what I see, times and again, is the fact that the managers in the country are more interested to make a deal with a French/German/Japanese company get an exclusive license to import/assemble their products and then lie to us that we should feel “proud” that the country has become khod-kafa. Only when the shitt hits the fan when the US snaps his fingers, everything stops in Iran. The medicine factory and the car plants.

    By the way, I personally believe Iran has the potential not only to reverse engineer but to be at forefront of science and technology and even come up with genuine new science and technologies including medicines. But for that at least and I repeat at the very very least a country like Iran must have an annual R&D budget of over 30 billion dollars. The current government has even decreased the budget for this year. Have you ever even asked those scientists and engineers in Iran, you are talking about, about their funding problems? I doubt you have.

    In the west when a PhD student starts on a project, not only they project is usually super well funded (as Angela had said, the NIH is growing geometrically) but also they give some bokhor-namir to the researchers. In Iran not only alot of projects are not funded but also the researcher is expected to work free. In fact research is look on in Iran as a wasteful, funny and even amusing activity undertaken by fools. The industrial units are not built around their R&D labs. They are built around rent and super corruption.

    3) In Iran we need less bazaris and more industrial entrepreneurs/scientists. There is no question about that.

    4) Lobbying or no lobbying. There is science and technology going on China, Japan, Russia etc etc. All the science is not going on in the west (though the best quality ones are western). The point, I am making is that facilitating the private sector to do R&D is well, good and necessary. But this will not solve the problem. Government must intervene. Traditionally always, the western governments have been the heavy lifters in funding the R&D. And through a systematic effort, the government enabled the science and technology produced in those government R&D labs to be commercialized by private entities. By God, there is alot of corruption in this model too. But atleast something being produced.

    In Iran a single person through his nefarious connection within the government gets an exclusive license to import and sell animal feed for the entire country at the price he chooses as per his own pleasure. The people complain why the meat is expensive. This is rent at its most inefficient. Do you think such a corrupt system would allow any kind of serious research funded by a billion dollar to find ways to produce the animal feed inside the country, using the available resources? Of course not.

    Every year, Iran imports expensive wheat from outside but pays Iranian farmers less for their wheat than it pays to American and German farmers. Is this not corruption? Is Iran investing hundreds of millions of dollars in R&D to raise wheat varieties for dry conditions? We all know the answers to these questions. The super corrupt whose livelihood is dependent on exclusive rent and corruption will kill anyone who even tries to improve the situation.

    5) Go to your nearest university in the country, go to engineering, medical or science departments and ask them, what are their problems and obstacles doing high quality research. Ask about funding. Ask how much a researcher is being paid if that is he/she is being paid at all. Ask them if they liked if some of those wealth squandered by the super corrupt end up in their labs and solve the nation’s problems. Ask them what would have done if that 120 billion dollars locked out of Iran by the super corrupts had been given to them. Ask them …

  59. Don Bacon says:

    kooshy says:
    January 22, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    I said reconcile with Sunni, not hand over the country to them.
    Get your story straight.

  60. Don Bacon says:

    current news — WaPo
    BRUSSELS — France is sending business executives by the planeload to Iran. German and Dutch entrepreneurs are taking courses on how to close a deal in Tehran, and car makers are drawing up plans for investment.

    Europe’s business community is abuzz with preparations to rush back into Iran, an economic powerhouse in the Middle East, as some sanctions are suspended. And the interest is welcome — Iran is desperate to revive its economy after years of international isolation.

    Among the first signs that business is ready to resume is the surge in demand for flights. Austrian Airlines last week announced it will resume five weekly flights to Tehran, and its parent company Lufthansa said it’s thinking about adding more seats to its daily flights. Turkish Airlines, which serves six Iranian destinations, is seeking permission to increase frequencies.

  61. Don Bacon says:

    and from WSJ
    European officials and trade delegations have also been making pilgrimages to Tehran since the Geneva agreement, with more to follow. Italy’s foreign minister Emma Bonino visited in December. Executives from energy giants Shell (the Netherlands), Eni (Italy) and OMV (Austria), among others, met Iran’s oil minister in Vienna in December.

    The Netherlands ambassador to Tehran on Thursday tweeted a photograph from a “speeddate” session “to meet [Dutch] business interested in Iran.” And some of France’s top companies—including Airbus, Peugeot Citroën, Societe Generale and BNP Paribas—are planning to visit Tehran in early February.

    The Obama Administration insists that all of this can be reversed if there is no final nuclear deal, but that may not be possible. Now that it’s underway the momentum to dismantle sanctions has its own political logic that will add to the pressure on Western leaders to sign a final accord, even a bad one. And if there is no deal because Western nations divide over the terms, then the sanctions are likely to break down anyway.

  62. kooshy says:

    In Iran, Perfect Is the Enemy of the Good
    Why demanding no enrichment and no centrifuges means no deal.

    BY Graham Allison
    JANUARY 22, 2014

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/01/22/us_iran_nuclear_deal

    “1. Iran has acquired a “nuclear weapons option” that cannot be erased. Within its sovereign borders, Iran has all the know-how, equipment, and resources required to build a bomb by itself. When its scientists and engineers mastered the technologies for enriching uranium in 2008, Iran crossed the most significant “red line” on the road to building a nuclear weapon. Knowledge and skills engrained in the heads of hundreds of Iranians cannot be wished away. While many in the policy community have not been able to bring themselves to accept this fact, the U.S. intelligence community has insisted clearly and consistently since 2008 that Iran has the capability to build a bomb. As Director of National Intelligence James Clapper testified last year, “Iran has the scientific, technical, and industrial capacity to eventually produce nuclear weapons. This makes the central issue its political will to do so.”
    “2. Given the first truth, the best the U.S. can hope to achieve is to deny Iran an exercisable nuclear weapons option.”
    ——————————————————
    Somebody should tell this guy
    This can easily be done, all Americans have to do is not to threaten or even think of attacking a nuclear capable country, all they need to do is to understand if a country is capable of building a nuclear bomb but chooses not to is because that country has a historic understanding that a calculating thinking actor understands the consequence and will be deterred, but at the same time she also understands that a crazy suicidal non thinking ideologue will not and cannot be deterred with or without having a nuclear bomb or any military hardware. Nixon tried to fool Mao that he is a crazy actor Mao knew he is full of shit didn’t buy in to it, Iranian decision makers have come to same conclusion, it’s many years since they are capable of building nuclear bomb they correctly don’t see a need for it.

  63. Don Bacon says:

    There is insufficient appreciation of the nuclear weaponization process. Many observers incorrectly jump quickly from highly enriched uranium gas (HEU) to a nuclear weapon. The situation is further confused by labeling the achievement of HEU as “breakout”, incorrectly implying that a nuclear weapon somehow pops out of gas centrifuges.

    A nuclear weapon cannot be made of gas. The gas must be converted to metal, a difficult and very dangerous process because of the high potential for a critical accident (like a nuclear reactor without shielding) that would kill anyone in the room or nearby.

    Then an implosion warhead would have to be constructed. Warheads are complicated little machines. The entire detonation process happens within a tiny fraction of a second so the hard part is constructing a warhead with reliable separation capabilities throughout the various stages. Testing is mandatory to make sure the thing works.

    Even if Iran developed a basic nuclear weapon, it would require more advanced technology to miniaturize the warhead to fit into a small missile cone. Iran would need to conduct nuclear tests to prove its warheads. The USA and USSR conducted hundreds of tests over many years to develop this expertise. If Iran began nuclear weapons testing,

    Iran has no experience with this process.

  64. kooshy says:

    Don Bacon says:
    January 22, 2014 at 11:57 pm

    Don would you be willing to take the risk to find out if Iran can build a bomb, if you don’t then you are darted by not risking it.
    But if you do think you want know if you are right, then I call you that crazy not thinking jihadi actor.

    It’s too late for all options BS, my friend, better working on friendship then talking impractical tough, with what I understand they are not deterred but rather are amazed of American “ostrich” explanatory acts.

  65. Sineva says:

    Don Bacon says:
    January 22, 2014 at 11:57 pm
    Irans main problem would be designing a warhead small enough to go on their larger missiles,but to put that into context both the soviets and the west developed large caliber nuclear artillery shells using the gun type instead of the implosion arrangement back in the late 50s/early 60s so I have little doubt that iran could also achieve a similar compact warhead design for its missiles using 21st century technology and without the added stress of surviving being fired from an artillery piece,tho it would probably need to test it,however for irans first test,if iran simply wanted to demonstrate that it had mastery of a fission bomb none of these constraints would be necessary it could easily produce a little boy type device that altho very inefficient would work without prior testing and when it comes down to it thats really all thats required for a first test

  66. Photi says:

    “Add two more prominent Senators to the list of lawmakers who oppose a vote on an Iran sanctions bill right now: Patty Murray and Elizabeth Warren.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/01/22/another-blow-to-the-iran-sanctions-bill/

    Senator Murray is a senator from Washington State, which is where i call home. Thank you Senator Murray!!

  67. BiBiJon says:

    Photi says:
    January 23, 2014 at 1:41 am

    Brava Senator Murray!! Senator Warren is a senator from Massachusetts, which is where i call home. Thank you Senator Warren!!

    They both announced their position to their constituents. Fancy that! A glimmer of democracy. An example to the the rest of congress that your constituents are far more powerful force behind you than any lobby out there. The nation’s interests are the constituents’ interests. No need to go anywhere else to figure out the right thing.

  68. BiBiJon says:

    Karl.. says:
    January 22, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    “Tommorow rouhani but also netanyahu speak in Swizz, you think netanyahu will warmonger against Iran as usual? Another bomb-image?”

    He didn’t disappoint.

    http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Netanyahu-says-Rouhanis-Davos-speech-more-Iranian-deception-339141

    Indeed, all should be grateful. In among the most powerful, richest, influential, and celebrated grouping of folks, Rouhani’s message of peace, cooperation, and development could not have been contrasted better than Netanyahu’s demonization of his perceived enemies.

  69. Don Bacon says:

    That’s a switch for Senator Warren, not joining the fifteen Dem senators for sanctions and dismantling. Last August Warren signed the letter, along with 75 other senators, to the President endorsing tougher sanctions and a credible military threat to accompany dialogue with Iran.

    Still, all the true political courage on display is in Teheran not in Washington.

  70. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    “What Obama actually is thinking on various issues obviously is important.”
    Yes what Obama think is important.
    But obviously Obama is lying when blaming Iran for the Geneva II charade.
    The real issue is KSA position as well as US support and alliance with KSA.
    The real issue is the US necessary realignment and the necessity to dump KSA.

    What Obama should have said is that due to the US alliance with the reactionary regimes of KSA and Israel there is no way the US can do anything moral in Syria.
    Well I understand Obama cannot say that.

    However you spreading the US propaganda BS about Iran is just ridiculous.

    The point is that the US and western alliance with the zionist jews and Israel is centuries old and there will be no wedge between the US, the west and Israel ever.
    That much is clear.

    Only change in the balance of power between the west and tye muslim world would bring a solution to the issue of the Israeli apartheid regime.

    And the Syrian conflict shall be won militarily on the ground.
    Alternately a regime change in KSA is much desirable.

    As I stated many times the real issue in the ME is the KSA regime.
    If and when this regime collapse, all the power configuration of western dominance over the region would be finished.

  71. Karl.. says:

    Bibijon

    Correct!

    This news is absurd though
    Peres to get a peace prize!
    http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Peres-to-be-honored-at-Davos-World-Economic-Forum-338897

  72. Photi says:

    BiBiJon says:
    January 23, 2014 at 4:39 am

    Yes, a glimmer of democracy. Probably half the problem with US foreign policy is an under-aware, complacent public that does not hold our politicians’ feet to the fire, preferring instead to believe that America’s actions in the world, by definition, are trustworthy and virtuous. Then there is the “fear” of speaking truth to power. Some sub-groups in America have a tradition of activism but most of us are not even grouped in a sub-group, and among this undifferentiated population are lives lived without much collective hardship. Comfort breeds complacency.

    But we are great workers!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPPgeDhGzKY

  73. Smith says:

    Another variant of cargo cult in Pakistan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxvxh1nekts

  74. Photi says:

    Israeli President Shimon Peres quoted in the New York Times re: President Rohani’s speech in Davos:

    ““As far as Israel is concerned, we are ready to make peace with the Iranian people,” Mr. Peres said. “They have never been historically our enemies. We don’t look for any wars. We don’t look for any confrontation.Today was a great occasion but it was unfortunately missed.”

    A missed opportunity? Peres’ own PM has called the thawing of relations between the West and Iran a “historic mistake.” Netanyahu’s best friends in the US Congress and American society are those most associated with warmongering. Israel continues the occupation and settlements on a daily basis. These are the friends and actions of a nation looking for peace?

    Are we fools?

    Israel is the nation missing opportunities.

  75. Don Bacon says:

    Perez responding to President Ruhani’s speech:
    “He didn’t announce he is going to stop sending arms to Hezbollah. He could have announced, since he said he didn’t want a nuclear bomb, that he would stop building long-range missile with nuclear warheads. He didn’t announce that Iran would stop being the center of terror in our time,” citing the places in the world such as South Africa and South America where Hezbollah has been active. “We can see their finger [in] many terrible pies.”

  76. fyi says:

    Smith says:

    January 22, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    Money is secondary…

    What is needed first is the ability and willingness to ask questions….

  77. Photi says:

    Don Bacon says:
    January 23, 2014 at 12:58 pm

    Clearly he thinks the Muslims have no right to defend themselves, only Israel. How many nukes does Israel have now and who are they directed at? Really Israel, who are your undeclared WMDs directed at? WHO?

    Iran has long been an advocate of a WMD-free zone in the Middle East. Who is an impediment to that? Does anyone need a hint?

    This world is fed up with Israeli hypocrisy.

  78. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    Specify the “propaganda” against Iran that you claim I “am spreading”.

  79. James Canning says:

    Don Bacon,

    Your confidence the sanctions against Iran will in effect end, even if there is no deal between Iran and P5+1, is simply mistaken. In my view.

  80. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    January 23, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    I very much agree. As you had said it, their brains are on autopilot and they love lies.

  81. Karl.. says:

    Best for world peace would be if netanyahu and and peres got in coma just like sharon and end up just like he did some weeks ago.

  82. James Canning says:

    Photi,

    Israel (and its foolish friends in the US Congress)does in fact block a deal for NE zone free of nukes. When Israel has no need for nukes.

  83. Photi says:

    The Israeli Prime Minister’s speech in Davos lays out a progressive mind-set towards innovation and its importance to humanity that all nations can (or should) absorb. He further elaborates on unique abilities of the Jews and how they have come together from around the world to create the “innovation nation” of Israel. He lists computer science and water technology, among other areas, where Israelis have been productive.

    This is all fine and good for Israel and kudos to its accomplishments.

    The problem however has never been what Israel does right.

    The problem has always been about what Israel does wrong.

    Producing a glossy cover for Israel and its supposed modernity is not glossy enough to cover the Occupation.

    Israel’s leaders may have a bright future envisioned for Israel, but the rest us, most of us complicit, cannot but see the bleak present of the Occupation.

    Israelis should not fool themselves with their own propaganda.

    The Occupation is the problem.

    Israel’s bright future cannot start until their self-inflicted “intractable” conflict is resolved.

  84. Karl.. says:

    Photi

    Exactly.
    Its racism. Its like the South African apartheid (or any other racist regimes) state would hold a speech when they ruled, about how good the “whites” are. As you say they fool themselves, the racist doesnt understand that he is a racist.

  85. ordinary says:

    Damn this is long…

    @Smiths

    No one likes to risk money to gain money relying on others, especially if he can’t possibly absolutely comprehend it and come to compassionately believe in it – a near impossibility anywhere in the world.

    1 – Capitalism, the implementation that initiated by Christians in the US or the Islamic of Iran version, by the nature were and still are “conservatively profit oriented”. At first there are small businesses and the government. Then government creates a tax system to get its hand on private wealth otherwise national the income from commodities (agriculture, oil, gold, etc.) is “limited”. Now the US Internal Revenue Service is most dreaded and autonomous institution in the US.

    At the start the new capitalism allocates most of the budget to military R&D to ensure it can preserve the country. Once that phase completes, as the country now flourishes with the middle class and small business, the taxes go higher. A person in upper middle class in NYC is required to pay 60% of his/her income to taxes, this is no small money. Once military is made strong, the unclassified portion of the R&D is shared with top faculties of departments of universities (very targeted), see DARPA money, Ethernet, communication, detection, space program, chemical and medical research, are all fruits of it. At this point in the history a new phase starts, the graduates are snatched by small business because small business wants government projects with deep pockets (for the money) and government wants to expand research and technology by leaps and bounds so to get people employed to collect more taxes giving themselves better salaries and benefits, while also getting free research which has military applications back to specific labs.

    In the last 30 years, the mega rich individuals got onto the wagon, they searched individuals with ideas, funded their project, managed their activities, and ripped 30+% of their company, took it public and ripped many folds profits. Then organizations called “private equity funds” formed that collect money from many high net worth individuals and summed up ton of money and invested in the same way, in the last 10 years these Private Equity Firms readily invest, with less scrutiny, with the premise that if 10% of these ideas are successful we still make many folds over the total investment (they feel the cost of a missed opportunity, due to miscalculations, is much higher than the small investments these ideas take).

    Iran is now in the midst of the first paragraph, first an IRS needs to be established, then there will be R&D money, and so on. It is fortunate that there is oil to already fund the military R&D, and with the removal of the sanctions more money to invest into the talents, it is fortunate that Iran has such successful model in the west, and I am sure they are studying it. See the following as an example:

    http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-06-231213.html

    Banks can’t risk people’s money in risky ideas and don’t have the ability to measure plausibility of an idea. Much of the free money is invested in rentier..import bus…real estate… just like banks here they give loans to established companies (for interest, not for equity ownership). A young Iranian inventor should engage as many people that can help and he must be more about the invention – let’s entice investors by sharing the future revenue through equity ownership or exclusive rights to sales by region, allow general population to invest (though a website and issue private ownership shares that are inexpensive but full of promises and be honest about it) – it is not all safe here either, you must’ve heard the story of Facebook and Blackberry, the story of Victoria Secrets when the original guy jumped off the George Washington Bridge, and these are few of the famous cases. And the farmer…, this is where human is tested we are not in heaven yet, we hurt and get hurt, few help, and life goes on.

    The improvement we are impatient about will take generations. When you see the children of money hoarders drive Porsches aimlessly in the streets of Tehran, you know the money is being spent, easy come easy go back into the market, these guys love to show they are better than their fathers.

    Obviously things can and must improve, the how is the question, let’s not through the baby out with the bath water.

    2-1st paragraph: I share the frustration. It is difficult time when we drop our lens and perceive that all non-muslin countries pampered in prosperity while Iran have persevere and build the country all while a section of population appear as if they are living heavens in Tehran (surely much better living than their counterparts in the US who pay their taxes regularly and work 60+ dedicated work hours a week forgoing their lunches too and waking up by phone calls in the middle of the night to answer questions or haul their laptop to every dinner they attend at friends should they be called to do something – kind of like a MD – we never think about it, gladly accept it, it comes with the territory).

    2-2nd paragraph: I love your positive look, it disseminates hope and energy.

    Yes I have an uncle I regularly talk with, he has a company in Tehran, he is running in deficit and hanging on to it, it is the result of 50 years, he does not need it he is wealthy enough to let go and leave. Yet he has kept the bare essential staff. We talk about cronyism and mishandlings that led to takeover of IRGC, though helpful but got some stuff done, but control of open bidding for projects it is not the way forward, etc.

    Here (or anywhere) it requires selflessness to rebuild, selflessness to maintain, selflessness to succeed – what hurt one here is: pride, expectations, impatience, aggressions, not following the due process (even if you succeed), not thinking things through and missing a point – you are where the responsibility end, your word counts and you must deliver on your word or you are out, 20 years of devotion and dedication will not save you for one mistake. This is how progress is made here. You help yourself, if something is odd or wrong, your patiently endure and lobby for change if you fall you get up and shake the dust off and try again. If you do all these you will be recognized and will be given more responsibilities, the size of your responsibility defines your honor. Getting rich is a side effect of producing results and it might happen overnight in 10 years in 30 years or never in a life, but comfortable you can live if you spend within your means.

    Common place Iranian literature teaches, as in the story of little stream block by the huge aggressive rock, the water talks to the rock, struggles in digging, perseveres, patiently, politely, hangs on to hope, does not try to overtake the powerful rock, and eventually finds a way around it. In a trip I had a young guy who studies Computer Systems Administration who was looking for work, told me if I can find a way to buy and ship him polyethylene powder, he had given no thoughts to financing, knowledge, competition, production, and I asked how this will help you get build a career in Systems Administration, and he said I am looking for your help to make jump “jahesh” and then I come to system administration. People in the US learn it fast, that a few in a 300 million gets lucky, but there are no shortcuts.

    2-3rd paragraph
    After my bachelor’s degree I found no jobs here, I once called the office of our government here Washington DC and said I want to continue for my PhD, is there any way to let my dad help me with part of the funding, they said our country does not need PhDs. I found it amusing and laughed many times over it, somehow it made sense to me. I think a lot has changed since. I started my Masters degree and had no money to pay, I asked the university and found that I can get away with 2 bounced checks during the 2 years, and no new semester can be started before paying for the prior in full, but they let you finish the semester. I wrote the first check started and both me and my wife worked in restaurants without a permit, worked 7 months and paid for the first semester, I wrote the second check and before the 3rd semester I paid in full. I paid in full at this point. Then I had nothing left now, but I had a great GPA. My wife pushed and accompanied me to the dean office, the dean looked at my grades listened to the story and hired me as a teaching fellow and that covered the rest of my education. In other stories I know loans, uncles, friends do help, pride left aside, I have not seen a talent not funded.

    It all comes to the inner side of the person, I did not care if I had to work in a restaurant in Iran, I know that for sure, I am willing to do that even now. And I would do my research if I wanted to do it and I would not care about anything else. God knows it is true. Money expedites but it is not necessary nor sufficient in research, production I understand, but at that time you have backing of the research or the idea to entice investors, and never forget to pray to Allah, it works for sure.

    3 – Everyone is responsible for his own self. A bazari will never be a doctor nor an engineer, yet he/she is essential to the society and economy, they are the investors, the positive side is that a bazari knows how hard it is to be a doctor or engineer if he takes pride in his money that is because it is all he/she has to show you, what’s the point of taking that pride away from him. They are also great in sales and marketing and they have the sense for costs and money, and they use toasters and washing machines and eat medicine, so they know the value of education. If you can convince a bazzari that your idea is good, you know you can sell it to 100 more bazaries.

    4 – Government must intervene, that is the only way, otherwise we don’t have very many “wealthy nationalists” (it an oxymoron in this time of Iran). However, I am not ready to believe that research and development or production of basic products such as animal feed, pesticides, farming for meat or produce, inventing filters, etc. are too expensive or require even a substantial amount of money. I believe however one person can’t do it all and needs team work and creativity. I think if the similar minded people come together they can achieve a lot small low hanging fruits that could lead the way to bigger things. There is many simple opportunities there if one does not make money his goal. Even in the us, you see people inventing apps for phones and give it away for free and some of them get purchased for billions. There is on kid that refused, for whatever reason, to sell his free picture sharing software to Google for 3.75 Billion dollars, this is the sort of ambition that makes things happen.

    Lobbying is the only way to get the government to gets its act together faster. I believe however the government will do what you supposed must be done sooner or later.

    5 – I don’t disagree, the environment is ripe waiting for funding. It was not so 30 years ago. I sincerely hope it will happen soon. However I would not bet on it, lobbying is necessary to get it started and keep it coming, that poem must be printed and put all over the place, rich bazzaris with connections must be contacted to lobby the government. University professors must create proposals and their research teams should make cases for “research” and “products” (like executive summaries made to money manager to request for funding) to the government officials. The bazzaries and other people with power and connection like movie directors, older politicians, the retired respected politicians and members of society must be contacted to mobilize and put a concerted effort and to make a strong case armed with practical proposals to government officials. One must believe that there ARE good people out that want to be part of this good cause. Through patience, respect, calmly, persistently tirelessly, as if it is ok to try this over and over for 80 years so it get started, and then continue so it never stops, so that the country can achieve the entire of paragraph 1.

    Period

  86. Rehmat says:

    On Sunday, the organized Jewry blasted London-based weekly news magazine Economist for posting a political cartoon by Peter Schrank, depicting president Barack Obama with his ankle shackled to Seal of the US Congress dotted with Israeli Star of Zion, symbolizing Israel’s control over America’s foreign policy in the Muslim world.

    The cartoon topped an article on talks between the US and Islamic Republic, published by this week’s Economist. The truth published on Saturday was removed from magazine’s website on Monday as result of Jewish and pro-Israel lobby campaign.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/01/24/the-economist-jews-run-us-congress/

  87. Rehmat says:

    As a Canadian, I’m very excited to learn that country’s prime minister Stephen Harper’s life-long dream came true on January 18, 2014, when he made his first-time aliya to the Zionist Holy Land, Israel. Harper headed an official delegation of nearly 250 people on taxpayers’ expense, including six cabinet ministers, John Baird and Jason Kenney, two top Islamophobes.

    On his arrival, Harper received a hero welcome from the ‘war criminal’ president Shimon Peres and Benjamin Netanyahu. Netanyahu lauded Harper for his “moral courage” to stand-up against enemies of Israel. On Tuesday, Harper visited the Jewish Holy Wailing Wall (see photo on top of this post).

    On January 24, Canadian author and blogger, Greg Felton, celebrated Harper’s visit to Israel with a satire post, entitled, ‘Exposing Israel’s war crimes is child’s play‘. It’s based on an Israeli Hasbara character Bozo Bernie, a star of Canadian Jewish Circus (Harper is listed as “author” on Israel Hasbara Committee list).

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/01/23/israeli-tail-wags-the-canadian-dog/

  88. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Some might appreciate this picture book of Iran (Iran for Dummies – Extra Stupid Edition)

    http://www.gregfelton.com/bookstore/Iran%20for%20Dummies.pdf

  89. Karl.. says:

    Had missed that mc cain met with nazis in ukraine..

    http://inagist.com/all/412184139966607361/

  90. James Canning says:

    The Financial Times today has a good report from Davos, on the comments made by Rouhani and his wish that Iran’s economy grow to become one of ten largest in the world. If sanctions are lifted.

  91. James Canning says:

    Photi,

    We of course are only too well aware the problem of the continuing Israeli occupation of the West Bank is not “intractable”.

  92. Don Bacon says:

    James Canning says:
    January 24, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    …Iran’s economy grow to become one of ten largest in the world.

    That’s unlikely any time soon, as Iran’s economy would have to triple. Nevertheless with all those planeloads of business-people from Germany, France and Italy arriving in Teheran, plus various Asians, there will be a significant improvement this year.

  93. Smith says:

    ordinary says:
    January 23, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    More points:

    1) Countries have banks and financial institutes to facilitate investments and manage risks. The government oversees their actions so that rent, collusion and nefarious financial activities like those happening in Iran do not dry up funds for production units.

    2) There is no comparison with US. Iran was a feudal country. US was not. Despite that Pahlavis destroyed the ancient system of war lordism and feudalism, still, you can see the soul of feudalism in Iran whenever you visit any bureaucratic office. The bureaucrat does not consider himself a public servant but a feudal lord who owns the public (As you mentioned the lords do not need PhD’s).

    3) The history of science did not start with LockheedMartin and F-22. It was pretty much an individualistic efforts that came out of a culture that allowed people to think, ask questions and helped them find the answers eg. see the history of prince Rupert’s drops and its association with Royal Society, ending up promoting science in England. All Iranians if they want to help Iran, should read the History of Science. It should be taught at schools as a subject and the public should be educated about it. As fyi, has said here times and again, it must start with the ability and willingness to ask questions. Right now, sadly, it is not the case in Iran.

    4) An inventor in 18th century UK had more support, privileges, conductive business environment and protection of his intellectual property than a 21st century Iranian inventor. Take the example of James Watt. He could raise questions, answer them, patent them and make money off those questions. You can not do that in Iran.

    5) 800 years of wait in the desert. No stream, yet. You wanna wait another 800 years?

    6) Research is an expensive affair for the most part nowadays. Since the days of kitchen grade experiments are almost over. Serious research needs money. It would probably cost several billion dollars of investment in agriculture R&D at the minimum to solve Iran’s most serious problems in this regard. It is not like what you say. US has a plethora of various research agencies and projects in agriculture funded by billions of dollars each year. It would probably cost several hundred million dollars if Iran wanted to raise half a dozen high yield wheat varieties for dry conditions of Iran. Is money being spent on such critical areas or the money being used to import Porsche and dildo?

    7) A bazari will never invest in a technology company. Even if James Watt himself had gone to him for the purpose of “convincing”. Now or in 18th century. He does not have too. If you are sitting in the world’s largest speculator market (Tehran bazar), then hoarding and quadrupling your money in a week is the norm (if you have exclusive access to trade licenses, economic information and public resources).

    8) Lobbying is officially illegal in Iran and its existence denied. Officially the government in Iran is completely clean and does everything right.

    9) In Iran, law does not exist. It is what the more powerful guy says it is. If you are more powerful, you can terrorize women on street, draw pistol, shoot at people and then say, it is your right to do so as per law of the land. If you are powerful, you can be the science adviser to the president and plagiarize and still remain at your post while your victim is crushed. If you are powerful, you can take out a 500 million dollar loan and hoard city land and then never repay the money, telling the bank to go and fvck the peasants. If you are powerful, you can make laws as you go about your day. The feudalism has not died.

    See the real life of a retired Iranian pilot here (another day in Iran): http://www.oldpilot.ir/2014/01/post_661.php#more

  94. Smith says:

    Foreign investment will not result in a boom in Iran: http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/business/2014/01/140124_l03_iran_foreign_investment.shtml

    The problems are internal and structural.

  95. Smith says:

    Heart patient, diabetic and hypertensive retired Iranian pilot suffering because of super corruption, super mismanagement, feudalism in bureaucracy and NON-AVAILABILITY of WESTERN MEDICINES: http://www.oldpilot.ir/2014/01/post_661.php#more

    Then mofos come here and talk about polio. Mofos do not know that polio still does not have any cure. We only have vaccines against it. And if it was not because of mofos like these in Islamic countries (Pakistan, Somalia, Nigeria and Afghanistan), polio would have been eradicated from the face of the planet. But then mofos are mofos. They are killing the Bismark model of healthcare in Iran and replacing it with Out of Pocket model, since it is much more profitable to the pockets of the mofos. And never forget that these mofos are killing even a little of the compassion left in the society. They want every one to become either a mofo or die. That is the aim and goal. Everyone to be a mofo.

  96. James Canning says:

    Don Bacon,

    Rouhani does not expect top-ten ranking earlier than 2030. (For size of economy)
    He also said an end to sanctions would be needed, for this to be possible.

  97. ordinary says:

    @Smiths
    Let me put my responses differently:
    1 – Banks financing individual idea? This is not possible in the US, you may get a personal loan if you put collateral.
    2 – Public servants – and I extend this to businessmen almost all Iranians who can get somewhere (even a respected wealthy doctor who throws his food on the table and lights a Cigar to impress his patient, this is a fact my wife reported); yet this is not a problem that can be fixed by, let’s take an extreme, a regime change. This is a social problem.
    3 – Unfortunately no one can force a person to understand, force itself is the problem. this is a social problem.
    4 – We have to reach the point when patent law becomes implementable, we can’t put half the country in jail.
    5 – 800 years of living in stone age is quickly fixable if one cares to fix it.
    6 – Research is an expensive affair, many yes, but not all, depends on the problem it is solving.
    7- A bazzari will invest in private projects when they see examples. This is the nature of a bazzari.
    8 – I disagree.
    9 – Laws exist, but they are not exercised, see #2, everyone is a feudal lord or has a feudal lord friend – cronyism.

    I strongly believe these issues are all social problem in ethics and it can NOT be fixed through force of law.

    How and who and by what method can we present ethics to a population to quickly correct this issue. I recall when the movie series like “Morad Barghi, and many such” were broadcasted everyone was on TV.

    #8: by lobbying, I mean, to use friends-of-friends and their connections to get the message to the right people.

    It is possible if we put aside the pride and self-righteousness and seek help.

    I you approach someone in a tune like: “We seriously need your help please, ….” most likely the person will at least listen, and if the answer is no “would you please seek to help us through others, or tell us how we should go about this”, politely – an Iranian knows how to do it well but unfortunately he only exercise it in useless occasions and calls it ‘taarof’”.

    Pride aside this can be done 100 times a day. This is what I mean by lobbying – or establishing lobbies or working groups. And this is the way it is done in this country. People are not angels here either.

    What do you recommend.

  98. Smith says:

    ordinary says:
    January 24, 2014 at 6:34 pm

    I do not know how to put it any differently, than I already have and your writing is difficult to comprehend so this is my final attempt:

    1) Banks in Western world are ready to finance “The Products of Thinking”. This is my argument. In France a bank (holding perhaps even frozen Iranian money) will give a loan to Sanofi to develop products of human thought and ideas. You have an idea, you can get finance in the western world whether from government grants or the banks to start up a technology company. You can not do this in Iran.

    No body will finance you. So I do not know what you are talking about. Go and ask an industrialist in Iran who wants to take a loan and establish an R&D department. Go and ask a fresh graduate who wants to take a government grant and build a start up technology company. In Iran it never happens. In West it is happening all the time. Now a Mr A or Ms B might be refused here or there. But the western economy runs on the science and technology pillars. Not exporting carpets, pistachio, plastics and crude oil.

    2) I do not call for a “regime change”. IRI is the best government that Iran has had since the Safavid era and probably even beyond. If Iranians can not get their acts together under IRI, then they never will. Thus, you should learn as a member of that society to see things critically and question. If you are able to do that, you are beyond help.

    3) Force? What does that suppose to mean? I say only this, I hate lies and hypocrisy while I love criticism and questioning. Where is force in that? I guess you do not understand what is going on here. Maybe you have comprehension problems. You should really read the link, I had put for you so that you understand what is going on. Designing a responsive and responsible system that can take care of people’s problems, so that a retiree does not have to beg and be humiliated in order to get his medicines is not “force”. By yeah, if by force, you mean kick them in the ass and shower them in their own language with profanity so that they pick up their lazy and corrupt ass and do what is required of them instead of hypocritically criticizing German economy, then yeah, force should be employed for these bee-gheirat and super corrupt people we are dealing with.

    4) Now, you are being childish and a bit silly. Iran does not need to implement patents enforced in US and Japan. The only patents which have to be implemented are those belonging to Iranian citizens which patent their products designed in Iran. The rest of patents in the world will not be recognized at all (unless all sanctions are removed). Copy all their patents with peace of mind. But protect your own inventors.

    5) Not at all. My experience shows that 800 years of deep coma, can not be fixed this fast. Maybe a few generations. If Molavi was alive today and he had taken his book to be published in Iran, he would have landed himself in prison and his book banned. Razi would probably have been killed if he had tried to create medicines which competed with the super corrupt bazaris import licenses and hugely profitable smuggling and dallali. At least it will take another 80 years, I would say, that is if a solid will exists to come out of the darkness. Currently, I do not see that will.

    6) Ok. You raise half a dozen variety of wheat for Iranian weather and dry conditions. All in your kitchen garden and then do patent it in Iran. See how it goes. And no, in Iran, you will not have this: http://www.csrees.usda.gov/fo/funding.cfm

    Or in fact thousands of other such funding avenues in Western world.

    7) Good for him. Personally, I have not seen any. If you see, tell him that there is a good market in and around Iran for API’s. Highly lucrative both in this world and the next. Let me know what he says.

    8) That is your right.

    9) That is semantics. From my point of view, they do not. From your point of view, they do theoretically. It makes not much difference.

    Actually, there is something called cultural engineering and leading by example. When a famous Maddah is openly and shamelessly a liar and a hypocrite, of course what do you think happens to his followers? They all are going to be liars and hypocrites. When you put a super corrupt in charge of somewhere, then what do you think will happen? It is actually the law that shapes a society.

    There is this story of a King who had gone hunting. When they start cooking, the find out that they have forgotten to bring salt from the palace. So the king sends a servant to the nearby village to pick up some salt and orders him to make sure, he pays for it. Others asked, you a king and the salt is worthless, why so much fuss about paying? He answered, today, I take salt for free and tomorrow in my name they come and start fvcing all the men of the village and raping their daughters. This is how culture is made. When the feudal lord in an office, starts to rule as per his personal wishes, what do you think the youth will learn from him in cultural sense?

    You teach the people by leading them. TV/Cinema and media and etc have their place. But you can not fool the people by showing them something, while your agents of power are doing something else. People are not fools. They know.

    #8 How many friends of a friend you have in Majles? Your argument is childish. In Japan, they were having a debate on Japan’s energy policy after Fukushima nuclear disaster. The government invited people to give their ideas and what they wanted. They are still meticulously studying the people’s comments. This is a responsive and responsible government. Friend of a friend is cronyism. The public demand answers and the government must stand answerable.

    * Yes, you should put aside pride and self righteousness. I help you: Start by questioning why things are, the way they are. Stop consuming lies and hypocrisy. More than half of Iran’s problems are due to lies and hypocrisy.

    * I recommend these as immediate and emergency measures for the situation in Iran:

    A) Stop lies

    B) Stop hypocrisy

    C) Study more

    D) Think all the time

    E) Question more

  99. Dan Cooper says:

    A Good Deal with Iran Depends on Obama’s Authority to Lift Sanctions

    http://www.niacouncil.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=10259&security=1&news_iv_ctrl=-1

  100. Persian Gulf says:

    ﺗﻮ ﺍﻭﻥ ﻣﻤﻠﮑﺖ ﻣﻌﻠﻮﻡ ﻧﯿﺴﺖ ﺣﺮﻑ کیو ﺑﺎﯾﺴﺖ ﻗﺒﻮﻝ کرد. ﻓﺮﺍﻓﮑﻨﯽ ﺷﺪﻩ ﻧﺮﻡ، ﻣﺜﻞ ﺩﺍﺳﺘﺎﻥ ﺍﯾﻦ ﺧﻠﺒﺎﻥ ﻋﺰﯾﺰ.
    ﺍﺗﻔﺎﻗﺎ ﺧﻮﺩ ﻃﺮﻑ ﺑﻪ ﻧﻈﺮ ﺷﺪﯾﺪﺍ ﭘﺮ ﺗﻮﻗﻊ ﻭ ﻣﺎﯾﻞ ﺑﻪ ﺩﻭﺭ ﺯﺩﻥ ﻗﻮﺍﻧﯿﻦ ﻫﺴﺖ. ﺩﯾﺪﻥ مدرک ﺍﺯﺩﻭﺍﺝ ۴۰ ﺳﺎﻝ ﭘﯿﺶ ﮐﻪ ﺣﺘﯽ ﮐﭙﯽ ﺍﻭﻥ ﺭﻭ ﻫﻢ ﻧﺪﺍﺭﻩ ﮐﺠﺎﺵ غیر ﻣﻌﻘﻮﻝ ﻫﺴﺖ؟ ﺍﺯ ﮐﺠﺎ ﻣﻌﻠﻮﻡ ﺟﺪﺍ ﻧﺸﺪﻩ ﺑﺎﺷﻨﺪ. ﻃﺮﻑ ﭘﺪﺭﺯﻧﺶ بهش ﺍﻋﺘﻤﺎﺩ ﻧﺪﺍﺷﺘﻪ ﻇﺎﻫﺮﺍ ﺍﻭﻧﻮﻗﺖ ﻣﯿﮕﻪ ﻣﺎﻣﻮﺭ ﻗﺎﻧﻮﻥ ﭼﺮﺍ ﺍﺯﺵ ﻣﺪﺭﮎ ﺧﻮﺍﺳﺘﻪ.

    یا ﺑﮕﻔﺘﻪ ﺧﻮﺩﺵ ﺩﮐﺘﺮ ﻋﻤﻮﻣﯽ ﺭﻭ ﻣﯿﺨﻮﺍﺳﺘﻪ ﺑﺰﻧﻪ ﮐﻪ ﭼﺮﺍ ﻧﺴﺨﻪ ﺍﯼ ﮐﻪ ﺩﺭ ﺣﯿﻄﻪ ﻭﻇﺎﯾﻔﺶ ﻧﯿﺴﺖ نمینویسه. ﺧﻮﺏ ﺷﺪ ﺯﻭﺭﺵ ﻧﻤﯽ‌ﺭﺳﯿﺪ ﻭﮔﺮﻧﻪ ﻣﯿﺰﺩ ﻃﺮﻑ ﺭﻭ.
    ﯾﺎ ﺑﻪ ﺩﺍﺭﻭﻓﺮﻭﺵ ﻣﯿﮕﻪ ﺑﺪﻭﻥ ﺗﺄﯾﯿﺪ ﺑﻮﺩﻥ ﺩﺍﺭﻭ ﺑﺪﻩ، ﺗﺎﺯﻩ ﻃﻠﺒﮑﺎﺭ ﻫﻢ ﻫﺴﺖ.ﻃﺮﻑ ﺍﮔﻪ ﺩﻓﺘﺮﭼﻪ ﻣﻠﺖ ﺭﻭ ﺍﯾﻨﺠﻮﺭﯼ ﻣﯿﺨﻮﺍﺳﺘﻪ ﻧﮕﻪ ﺩﺍﺭﻩ ﮐﺎﺭﺵ ﺩﺭ میومده. ﺍﺻﻼ ﻣﮕﻪ ﺩﺍﺭﻭﺧﻮﻧﻪ ﭼﻘﺪﺭ ﺷﻠﻮﻏﻪ ﮐﻪ ﻫﺮ ﯾﮑﯽ ﺩﻭﻣﺎﻩ ﯾﮑﺒﺎﺭ ﭼﻨﺪ ﺩﻗﯿﻘﻪ ﻧﻤﯿﺘﻮﻧﻪ ﺻﻒ ﻭﺍﯾﺴﺘﻪ…..ﻭﭼﯿﺰﻫﺎﯼ ﺩﯾﮕﻪ

    ﮐﻼ ﺁﺩﻡ ﺍﯾﻨﺠﻮﺭﯼ ﻓﺮﺍﻓﮑﻦ ﻭ ﭘﺮﺗﻮﻗﻊ ﮐﻪ ﻧﯿﺎﺯ ﺑﻪ ﺗﻮﺟﻪ ﺩﺍﺭﻩ ﭘﺮﻩ ﺍﻭﻧﺠﺎ.

  101. Sammy says:

    Again I find myself in complete consensus with Smith , especially his last 3 comments.
    Another point regarding Japan which I forgot to mention in my previous post and which is difficult to comprehend.
    There is absolutely no tipping in Japan , not 1 Yen. Nobody would ever ask or expect any tip from you , not the taxi driver not the hotel concierge , not a single person out of 127 million for any service whatsoever , you would offend them if you offer any tip , truly unbelievable and this behavior derives from their deep-rooted culture.
    Now compare this to the current situation in our country , a country with 7000 years of history and one of the cradles of civilization , a country where you ‘automatically’ say : ” Ghabeli Nadarat , Dar Khedmat Bashim , Khedamt as Mast , and hundreds of more ‘courtesies’ which in reality are reflections of a deep-rooted culture , but in today’s ‘Mad Town/Toxic City’ are completely lost and sheer lies. Sad , sad , sad situation….

  102. M. Ali says:

    Ordinary, thank you for your intelligent and positive posts. I enjoyed reading them.

    Iran’s problems can not be resolved in a day or two, or by any particular person. It needs a social movement, which I think has already started decades ago. The only real issue that I think remains in the Iranian mentality is the blame game. Talk to any Iranian, and its never his or her fault, but everyone else’ fault. Certain people here constantly talk about how shitty things in Iran are, easily find faults with millions of Iranians, and give our quick fix-it solutions, without telling us exactly what THEY are doing to better Iran.

    Others are to blame and others have to fix it.

    I think we all have to take responsibility for our actions and we all have to move forward in bettering Iran. FoI like to think I do my part, maybe I don’t do enough, maybe I could put in 10x more effort, but I force myself to do even the smallest actions, which I think might have a minor positive effect in my country.

    I don’t want to talk about the bigger things I might do in my country that might have positive effect, but instead I want to talk about the very little things. For example, I want to mention that in my hometown a year ago, when we were in a car with some of my family members, when we stopped in front of a supermarket, one of them threw his empty cigerrette pack on the road. I got out of the car, picked it up, and put it in the trash. I know that this act does not change the littering problem in Iran, but I hoped that, my action, might slightly alter the mindset of my cousin, who in the future, might have small reservations for throwing another litter.

    I do this, becuase I remember years ago, in a family trip to Oman, we went camping, and a young Omani, a family friend, before leaving, he started picking up all our trash, and putting it in a bag. He didn’t critisize anyone, he didn’t ask for any help, and he didn’t even seem to be upset. This simple Omani action had a big impact on our family, which since then, made us be much more vigilant in our actions regarding littering. I remember the impact so effectively that during my bachelor years in Dubai, where my friends and I would go camping in the Hatta mountains, and have a bachelor night of kababs on fire and playing cards, we’d wake up in the hot Dubai sun, and pick up all our litter, put it in a bag, put the bag in the car, and find a trash can on the way, and deposit it.

    This is how I hope we can change Iran. Those that talk about the problems and the solutions, should be the first to implement them. I’ve seen people moan about the corruption in Iran, and then are the first to bribe people, because thats how its done, they say. Or those that complain about people cutting in line in Iran when they never experienced that in Europe in a conversation in a party on Tuesday, and Wednesday morning, in a bank, they rush to the counter, without taking a ticket, claiming that everyone else does it.

    I don’t blame them, because we are not bad people, we’re just people, and fuction as humans do, meaning that on average, people do as others do. Do an experiment, find a crowded building with four elevators, and have three of them have a long queue, and one of them have no queue at all. A new person entering the building, would straight away stand in queue, asuming the fourth is not working, without even testing it.

    All it takes is just one person to stand in front of that elevator, and in the next few seconds, you will see a movement of people, from the lines, shifting to the elevator. People will suddenly RUSH to be the second or third person behind you, but no one would have rushed to be the first.

    Let us do our part, let us be the first, and the rest will follow.

  103. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Geopolitical rationale for instigated instability in the Ukraine.

    http://images.pennwellnet.com/ogj/images/ogj2/9550jnukr.gif

  104. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Also see “revolutionary” colored-attire requirements.

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/images4/arabspring-ukraine.jpg

  105. M. Ali says:

    Sammy says:
    January 25, 2014 at 2:50 am

    Sammy, its difficult to pick and choose traits from different cultures. Because sometimes one trait that is positive may have another trait attached to it that is negative. For example, the culture in some western countries may promote a strong individualistic trait, and while that can be desirable at certain situations and moments, but that also goes against the strong family trait of the Iranian mentality.

    Of course, I desire and want our people to move towards have more positive traits, but we shouldn’t simplify it by comparing it to other cultures and choose one aspect. For example, I would like Iranians to be more timely and organized like the Germans and I would also like Iranians to be more positive, warm, content like the Philipinos, but I know that the Germans aren’t positive and warm and content and the Philipinos are not timely and organized. Can I then complain that the Japanese have no tipping culture, but we do, and the Kenyas have better dancing abilities than us, and the Thais have better smiles when you go shopping, and the Bangalees are better employees, and the Chinese take better care of their brethen in business, the Brits are more political when they talk, and the Swedes are more philosophical, and the Emaratis are better hosts, and the Ukrainians have taller girls, and the Koreans follow rules better, and the Indians have better food.

    This is also true for the cities in Iran. Go to Shiraz and you will find the most atrocious customer service in Iran. But at the same time, I don’t think you will find any other Iranian that can enjoy himself like a Shirazi. Give him a patch of greenery to sit on, a few family members, and “kalbas” sandwhiches, and they’re having a time of their life that Tehranis have much more difficulties to achieve. Or take the South of Fars, where my home town is, the group of people which we call ourselves the “khodmoonis”, a bunch of cities that are one of the best groups of merchants and business in Iran, doing export/import business in UAE before UAE was even formed, before most Iranians could even find Dubai on a map, but at the same time, man for man, we are also probably the least artistic or creative people in Iran.

    Get even closer, and its the same between families. There is always a family that has more money than yours, but they may have more internal family conflicts. There is also a family that has a bunch of doctors in the family, but a son that is a drug addict.

    How about us as individual people? I’d like to strive to better, and to have goals to achieve to improve myself, but I’d really hate it if someone sat opposite me, and just pointed out a bunch of people, chose one aspect of their lives, and compared to me. Like a nagging wife or mother, who would talk about a cousin who had more money, or has a better degree, or is a better son, or is taller, or has a better body, or has better hair, without taking into account the other aspects.

    Basically, what I’m saying is, I like being Iranian, more than I desire to be Japanese, even though their anime is certainly better than our cartoons about the Prophets. But then again, they might have Gundam, but we have Ghola Ghermezi, and I like Ghola Ghermezi more.

  106. ordinary says:

    @smiths

    I hope you don’t take my comments personally, this is debate of experiences. I will keep in mind the points you so meticulously listed.

    Yes there are people that have poisoned our society and still continue in their doing – “they have listeners”, that is a problem.

    I am not moved by the link. It is very Iranian-typical to expect the world to bend over backward when he says “Ah”. This US educated pilot and news editor, feels no necessity to follow through to maintain his insurance documents, for months (he knows the system, but waits till his wife gets sick), then he expects to get it handed to him, when he demands it, each of the 3 stories was a line like that – while inside himself he is yelling: “NOW! for God’s sake you inhuman bastards!” so it comes from the article he wrote. This guy should go get a haircut.

    Back to the body of your article…

    Assume there is a dedicated team of self-sufficient capable individuals waiting at our service to fix the problems (towards building the “new Iran”). Please help offering an strategy that our team must follow (in the current Iran) to make people to stop lies, stop hypocrisy study more, think all the time and question more.

    I saw allusion to the use of law as the remedy. But what is the reason people ignore the law. Essentially every person in Iran says we need a powerful law but no person follows the law (bar a few). If 69MM of people prioritize their whims over the law of the land (and from cops to tax collectors take bribes), what can we suggest our team to do next? (Note that we are talking about people that unwittingly punishes each other and itself everyday, no one goes home with a peace of mind).

    “Stop lies, stop hypocrisy, study more, think all the time, question more, …” is part of code of ethics – prerequisite to a healthy society. As a note I repeat I’d suggested a way by engaging programs through media, to show the effects of suffering we cause to one another.

    I further suggested, another parallel, to evolve the government in direction of pouring money into R&D, and explain my understanding as to how it was done in the US. I suggested a way to evolve bazaries (into creating private equity funds) and sarrafs (the money/bonds/loan dealers into creating their funds). As I explained in paragraph 1 of past posting.

    The antidote of a poison a weaker version of itself. Should we not use the cronyism that is in place to reach and lobby the people that can help us remedy the issues.

    What other tool do we have?

    This is where I am, otherwise I am not trying to corner us into playing games.

  107. BiBiJon says:

    Recommended:

    Iran, Islam and the Rule of Law
    Islamic political movements have been one form of revolt against arbitrary government.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970203946904574300374086282670

  108. BiBiJon says:

    With reference to: ttp://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/25/world/middleeast/irans-message-at-davos-has-eerie-echo.html?hp

    Mark Landler hopes Rouhni’s fate will be similar to Khatamai’s:

    “When President Hassan Rouhani of Iran commandeered the spotlight this week in Davos, Switzerland, with a message of peaceful intentions and a desire for dialogue, it was an eerie echo of 10 years ago, when Iran’s last would-be change agent, Mohammad Khatami, delivered the very same message at the World Economic Forum.”

    Indeed Mark. The same lump of cheese, Netanyahu, the same cheese store, AIPAC, are doing exact same to urinate all over American interests to serve Netanyahu’s messianic lunatic mission. Dear Mark, read a book once in while. Start at page 290 of this:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=bQHXJ4JzxV4C&lpg=PA446&ots=AOifgmfrjE&dq=clinton%20sanctions%20conoco%20iran&pg=PA290#v=onepage&q&f=false

  109. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    BibiJon-jan,

    Like Khatami before, US doesn’t understand what they are being offered. There is no “win-win” with the US- ever.

    Like Rahbar said: This will be an “experience”, nothing more.

    The political process in the American republic is no longer self-correcting.

    Stop trying to resuscitate the carcass. It’s time to dump it.

    Sammy-jan,

    I also agree with much of what closet-case has to say, it’s just he’s an asshole and that’s really a turn off when trying to convey a message- especially an important one.

    For all the doom and gloom here’s the best song ever…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ey_Iran

    ای ایران ای مرز پرگهر
    ای خاکت سرچشمه هنر
    دور از تو اندیشه بدان
    پاینده مانی تو جاودان
    ای دشمن ار تو سنگ خاره‌ای من آهنم
    جان من فدای خاک پاک میهنم
    مهر تو چون شد پیشه‌ام
    دور از تو نیست اندیشه‌ام
    در راه تو کی ارزشی دارد این جان ما
    پاینده باد خاک ایران ما
    سنگ کوهت در و گوهر است
    خاک دشتت بهتر از زر است
    مهرت از دل کی برون کنم
    برگو بی‌مهرِ تو چون کنم
    تا گردش جهان و دور آسمان به پاست
    نور ایزدی همیشه رهنمای ماست
    مهر تو چون شد پیشه‌ام
    دور از تو نیست اندیشه‌ام
    در راه تو کی ارزشی دارد اين جان ما
    پاینده باد خاک ایران ما
    ایران ای خرم بهشت من
    روشن از تو سرنوشت من
    گر آتش بارد به پیکرم
    جز مهرت در دل نپرورم
    از آب و خاک و مهر تو سرشته شد گلم
    مهر اگر برون رود تهی شود دلم
    مهر تو چون شد پیشه‌ام
    دور از تو نیست اندیشه‌ام
    در راه تو کی ارزشی دارد این جان ما
    پاینده باد خاک ایران ما

  110. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    “In 1944, after witnessing an ugly incident where an American soldier serving on the Persian Corridor beat up a native Iranian greengrocer, Gol-e-Golab composed the poem Ey Iran, which was set to music by Rouhollah Khaleghi and soon be came a de facto Iranian national anthem.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hossein_Gol-e-Golab

  111. Karl.. says:

    Kidnapped iranian yemen diplomat found beheaded.

    http://rt.com/news/line/2014-01-25/#54248

  112. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Apparently running a nuclear force while dressed in pyjamas from behind a desktop computer is easier than running one in the real world…

    http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140124/DEFREG02/301240040/Hagel-Welcomes-New-USAF-Secretary-Says-he-Deeply-Concerned-About-Nuclear-Missile-Community

    Quote:

    “I am deeply concerned … about the overall health, professionalism and discipline of our strategic forces,” Hagel said Friday. “Recent allegations regarding our ICBM force raise legitimate questions about this Department’s stewardship of one of our most sensitive and important missions.”

    If the “scientific” Americans are having problems, what about those “mofo cargo cult rapist hypocrite lying” Eye-ranians?

  113. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    SecDef Hagel ordering full review of nuclear force

    “Personnel failures within this force threaten to jeopardize the trust the American people have placed in us to keep our nuclear weapons safe and secure,” Hagel wrote in unusually pointed language to a dozen top officials.

    http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/article/20140123/NEWS05/301230016/SecDef-Hagel-ordering-full-review-nuclear-force

    Ey vay, nagoo…

  114. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Hagel orders full review of nuclear force

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/1/23/hagel-ordering-fullreviewofnuclearforce.html

    Quote:

    Last month an Air Force investigation revealed that Maj. Gen. Michael Carey, who was commander of the nuclear missile force, had engaged in embarrassing behavior while leading a U.S. government delegation to a nuclear security exercise in Russia, including heavy drinking and cavorting with suspicious women. He had been fired in October, just days after another senior nuclear officer, Navy Vice Adm. Tim Giardina, was relieved of command at U.S. Strategic Command amid allegations linked to counterfeit gambling chips.

    No relation to Jim Carey (…he’s Canadian)

  115. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Apparently it’s a “cultural” thing…

    http://www.startribune.com/nation/241869781.html

    “This is cultural,” he said, noting that the U.S. military has been intensely involved in fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for more than a decade — conflicts with little direct relevance to the mission of nuclear warriors.

  116. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Rafsanjani’s daughter- the other, “better” one- convicted to 6 months prison in initial trial.

    http://www.bibaknews.com/shownews.php?idnews=99729

  117. paul says:

    It’s pretty amazing to see all this discussion of how awful the Iranian economy is, all apparently based on the insane notion that none of Iran’s economic problems have anything to do with the US-led sanctions that at this point amount to economic war, and on the equally insane notion that the United States – now leading the world in terms of economic inequality – is the beacon of opportunity and economic genius! It’s like telling the residents of some medieval town that the reason that they are starving is that they are not industrious enough, and that the armies ravening the surrounding countryside, and looking to grab the town’s treasures, are a model of economic forward thinking!

  118. paul says:

    some medieval town under siege i meant to say

  119. James Canning says:

    At Davos this week, Rouhani spoke privately to a group of journalists including Lionel Barber of the Financial Times. Environmental problems, youth unemployment, etc. Rouhani was well-received.

  120. fyi says:

    Smith says:

    January 24, 2014 at 4:49 pm

    When ships are passed their useful lives; they are beached in Pakistan, or India, or Bangladesh where large numbers of workers start disassembling them.

    This is a hazardous and arduous work led by entrepreneurs; who invest little capital in equipment or in the people. They live for the day, in essence, and do not think and act as industrialists – for that you have to bring in the Tatas (Zoroastrians) or the Japanese, or the Euro-Americans.

    Research is not as expensive as you might think; it is expensive if you are trying to pursue the latest research fad coming out of a few elite universities in Europe or North America and compute or measure the minutiae of another well-understood phenomenon.

    However, there are lots of questions of great scientific and practical merit that could be asked and researched:

    1- What is the Climate History of the Iranian plateau over the last 2 million years?
    2- Are there any civilized settlements in the area between Mohenjo-Daro and Elam – specifically in Baluchistan?
    3- What are the manifestations of madness among people in the Near East; does it differ from those in other parts of the world?
    4- What are the types of mental disease that afflicts the people on the Iranian plateau; are they different or identical to other parts of the world?
    5- What are the genetic makeup of the people of the Iranian plateau?
    6- Produce a statistical atlas of disease in the Iranian plateau; are there racial and/or familial correlations?
    7- Produce hydrological models for major river basin.
    8- Produce flood prediction models?
    9- What types of material – special modern ones – that are best suited for construction for that climate range?
    10- Produce a deep sky atlas of the Universe – optical, infra-red, radio, x-ray.
    11- Are there any submerged cities in the Persian Gulf, Sea of Oman, or the Caspian Sea?
    12- Following in the footsteps of the late Heinrich Schliemann, find the burial place of Rustam.
    13- What relationship does Tati language has with other human languages – the language is spoken in 2 other villages on either side of the Caspian Sea.
    14- What impact the large usage of opiate narcotics had on the demise of the Safavids? Or the Qajars? or the Iranians in general?
    …..
    16- Create gene libraries/protein libraries.
    17- Create material-properties libraries
    18- Make available in suitable format all extant works written in Persian, Arabic, Turkish, Urdu that are available in Iranian libraries.
    19- Map the sea bed of the Persian Gulf, Sea of Oman, and the Caspian Sea.

    This is endless….

  121. M.Ali says:

    Why not move to Iran and do your PHD in any of those?

  122. fyi says:

    Sammy says:

    January 25, 2014 at 2:50 am

    Japan, excepting the benign occupation of US, never suffered extended periods of foreign invasion, chaos, occupation, etc.

    UK is the only country in the world that has not been conquered and occupied over the last one thousand years.

    The attitude of the people in those 2 islands stem for a large part from that fact; the major behavioral pattern of people of the Iranian plateau – like that of China – has been the absolute necessity to survive and live.

    While Iranians have consistently admired Japan over the last 120 years, they must also understand that Japan, as a goal, is beyond their reach; just like Denmark or UK.

    The more reachable goal, in my view, is Spain.

    The late Otto von Bismarck once observed that Spain was the strongest country in Europe since every few generations it tried to destroy herself – and yet she survived those attempts.

    One needs only to look at the history of the Late safavid period until now to observe Iran going through 3 civil wars during that period ( a fourth one was avoided because of the forceful positions that the late Mr. Khomeini took on several occasions during 1979, 1980, and 1981.

    You might care to know that there is an epic poem in Persian, published around 1907 or 1910 called the “Book of the Mikado” – Mikado-nameh.

    I still recall the beginning lines:

    ستایش بود ان شهنشاه را
    که فرمان دهد بنده و شآه را
    جهان یک سره زیر فرمان اوست

  123. Photi says:

    Sammy says:
    January 25, 2014 at 2:50 am

    Give him/her time Sammy, his main goal here is to convince the unconvinced in Iran that “going nuclear” is the only sane option for Iran, destruction awaits otherwise. He has made his point numerous times, and people have provided counter-points and the SL has said again and again, and other leaders in Iran have said again and again, that nuclear weapons are immoral and do not have a place in Iran’s security strategy. They are weapons which bring a huge liability to Iran; Agent Smith is aware of the liability which is exactly why he is pushing Iran to weaponize.

    In all his other writings here, he writes much that cannot be disagreed with: Yes, Iran needs innovation, yes Iran needs the government to build-out the infrastructures and then hand over that capacity to entrepreneurship, yes Iran needs (and already has) the scientific method. How can the friends of Iran disagree with so much of what Smith advocates for? Most of us here wish to see a strong, prosperous Iran free from the yokes of inefficiency and many of the ideas Smith articulates will lead to exactly this sort of prosperous Iran most of us would like to see.

    But it does not then follow that the only way for Iran to reach this prosperity and security is through the pursuit of nuclear weapons. Give Smith time though and he/she will tell you exactly that.

  124. Sakineh Bagoom says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says: January 25, 2014 at 9:40 am
    BiB,
    Thanks for the Ey-Iran link.
    I am particularly fond of Marzieh’s rendition of this anthem. I was disappointed the WIKI does not include it. Maybe I’ll just add it there.
    In my search for the video, I found that the M.E.K. are using it as a propaganda campaign (good thing I previewed the video, otherwise I’d be accused of promoting them).
    Here is the link for another version. Enjoy.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5pSP2kheKo

  125. Photi says:

    oh, and i suppose the obvious is that “he/she” is actually a he, would any woman would talk about rape in the way and frequency he does?

  126. M.Ali says:

    “The more reachable goal, in my view, is Spain.”

    Spain? SPAIN?

    That country that nearly went bankrupt? Let Spain be sanctioned like Iran for 2 months, and let see how long it will last, before they start eating their bulls.

    Did you read the news today? Spain’s unemployment is over 26%.

    Imagine if that was Iran’s situation without any sanctions, etc. They’d tear us a new one instead of having Financial Times have an article with a headline like “Dip in number of unemployed in Spain adds to optimism” (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5c59b092-840c-11e3-9903-00144feab7de.html#axzz2rRXeHhVI) . Look how positive that headline is!

    But read it,
    “It found that 5.9m Spaniards were out of a job at the end of last year, with the jobless rate stable at about 26 per cent, the highest in Europe after Greece.

    The number of unemployed dropped by 8,400 compared with the third quarter of 2013, and by 69,000 compared with the final quarter of the previous year. ”

    What a joke this world is. But go on and clap each other on the back, you and your BFF, with crap like this.

  127. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    1. Why 2 million years? Better the last 5-10 thousand years.
    2. Have you heard of “Shahr-e Sukhte”?
    3. Most common: “delusions of grandeur”
    4. Most common: “kos-kholi- nothing like anywhere else in the world.
    5. Mostly A-rab, Turk and Genghiz Khan Mongolian- with a little be estela “aryan” from back in the day- but psst, don’t tell the “white” Eye-ranians…
    6. Yes
    7. Yes
    8. Yes
    9. It’s called “khesht o ka-gel”
    10. I personally like it, but a total waste of time and public funds- better have a private billionaire freak finance it.
    11. Yes
    12. Not necessary- every basiji is Rostam- and my personal favorite is Sardar Rostam Qasemi…let the original one rest in peace for God’s sake…
    13. Please don’t, we need them for radio communications that the enemy doesn’t understand during war…another one of your amateur mistakes.
    14. Just visit Kerman on any day of the week after lunch and from 10 am on Fridays…enough said.
    16. Yes
    17. Yes
    18. Yes
    19. Been there, done that…

  128. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    M Ali,

    Screw him and his dreams of “Spain”. SPAIN of all f****n places for God’s sake!

    Catalonians just decided to split from that shit-hole.

    Maybe he should go visit Germany and Switzerland and talk to some of the tens of thousands of Spanish professionals who have sought refuge there.

    And that’s the country that we should aspire to…it’s really hard not to call him some choice name…

  129. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Sakineh-jan,

    Thanks, I’ll pass on the lady singers…

    But yes, the intestinal parasites of the Rajavi cult will shamelessly use whatever they can to continue their wasted lives at any price- washed up singers singers, paid-off Polish students to cheer at staged rallies…

    Oh yeah and killing and torturing your own members who challenge Psycho-in-Chief and Mrs. Looney “Wife”.

  130. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Iran general rejects US military threat

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/01/25/347696/iran-general-rejects-us-military-threat/

    “Mr. Kerry must know that direct battle with the US is the biggest dream of pious and revolutionary people across the world. Your threats offer our revolutionary people the best opportunity,” said Ja’fari.

  131. M.Ali says:

    And also, let me add, Iran only needs to aspire to itself. It doesn’t need to aspire to Japan, with its history of savagery and maniac God-King imperialism that only had to stop its massacres of Chinese through being stopped by being beaten to a nuclear wasteland, and was converted to an indirect colony of its conquerors for…how many years now, seventy years? And what, we have someone here who talks about no tipping in Japan to show how dignified these race are, when they are fine with US bases in their land for nearly a century? Are these Japanese people so honorable that they won’t accept tips like us stupid, corrupt, rapist Iranians, but a history of US soldiers raping their women doesn’t cause their politicians to boot out the white men out of its country?

    That’s your inspiration?

    That’s your dream of Iran? Or to look to Spain with its barely function economy or maybe you want us to dream of an Iran that can one day by a Greece or an Italy, that has its foundations only saved by pouring billions into it by its neighbors because they are castles built on sand.

    Or what, you want Iran to be the next USA? A country that since it was a thought in a white man’s hands, its knees were deep in blood, against the natives, against Spain against Cuba, and so on for 200 years. Its laughable tehy call this or that US president, a “war president”. All their Presidents are War Presidents, because there never was a moment in US history that WASN’T engaged in a war. A nation that couldn’t even come to terms with itself, with its civil war dwarfing any civil war we see today. They killed each other for four years, killing almost a million people, with some estimates saying that 30% of all adult Southern men killed. Or their proud and heroic “Battle of Gettysburg”, which, if this was a country with any shame, they’d hide their faces whenever it was mentioned, instead of being proud of a battle that more than 50,000 soldiers died in 3 days. No nukes, or napalm bombs back then, just blood thirsty fodder being butchered.

    I hope Iran goes Iran goes through another 800 years of whatever adjectives you want to insult Iran with, but not be like those countries you want Iran to inspire to. I don;t want Iran to be like Germany or France or UK, countries that were murdering blacks and Indians, when they werent busy killing each other or having constant internal fights, countries that caused TWO WORLD WARS.

    For all of its faults, Iran is heads above these countries. Iran needs to aspire to something higher, but that should only be the potential this great country that none of these countries have. Iran doesn’t need to aspire to Japan or Germany or USA or any of these. Iran only needs to aspire to itself.

  132. M.Ali says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    January 25, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    BiB, I noticed 15 was replaced by …

    I think it was mistakenly removed. The question 15 was,
    “What impact does a buildup of sperm in a diaspora Iranian have on their mental stability? “

  133. fyi says:

    M.Ali says:

    January 25, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    The distance between Iran and Spain is the shortest; in my judgment and most bridgeable.

    I think Italy is unreachable for Iran – that country is too creative in its manufacturing, in its Fine & Applied Arts, in its Sciences, in its design and engineering for Iranians to reach in less than 5 or 6 generations.

    Italy is an order of magnitude – or perhaps more – more creative and more productive than Spain.

    And Spain took the Word of God to the heathen in the New World – just like the Arab Armies took God’s Message to the Levant, North Africa, and Iran.

  134. Smith says:

    Sammy says:
    January 25, 2014 at 2:50 am

    Mad town is getting even madder: http://www.monazereh.ir/fa/ndt/424290/%D8%A7%D8%AE%D8%AA%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C-%D8%AA%D9%87%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C-%D9%87%D8%A7-800-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B1-%D8%B4%D8%AF

    It is all about the managers and leaders. What kind of culture, law abidance and society they want to promote.

  135. Smith says:

    Now it is really tiring some times but some one has to be the cop here and beat the hell out of the pigs till they start squealing and they run away to jump on their mothers, as always they do.

    Just look how they have soiled themselves today. One bitch has brought the article Fukuyama had written in WSJ for support of Green Coup to educate us about law and history. Now these mofo’s and bitches who are the illegitimate children of Fukuyama think that we will be impressed by their real father. Well, we are not. Go back and start playing with your dildo.

    The other mofo has come here and exposes himself and his entire entourage of sockpuppets. In order to deflect from the real issues, which are super corruption and Iran’s industrial and technological backwardness, he tried to be the proverbial scoundrel (that he already is) and take refuge in “patriotism” (something that he does not know what it is). This scoundrel then has a slip of a tongue and chooses the same song that has been the official anthem of MKO. These closet case intestinal parasites of rajavi have finally exposed themselves bare for everyone to see. They stand in disgrace with the song they used as the opening for their attack on Iran at the end of the Saddam-Iran war. For the good non-Iranians who might not know, here is the real anthem of Iran: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juUuck0bMII

    These lowlife mofo, super corrupt and cargo cult priests along with the that little sperm of Rigi do not have any arguments to make. All they can do is try to belittle other nations and do ad hominem. But I am here to keep them in check. So no worry. They get it until they squeal. As they have already started (and in the process exposing the pigs they are). The other mofo comes here and says, do not industrialize and blame everything on industrialization. The pig that he is, will not say, that nations that did not industrialize were driven to extinction by the white man. The only answer is industrialization.

    These mofos are really funny. When their sons (not much their daughters) get sick, get a cancer or something, then they want the ultimate American or German cure for his cure. They will settle for nothing less. These mofo’s, I know very well. These mofo’s/sisfo’s who come here to advocate for khesto kahgel and who think the world is 5-10 thousand years old, are hypocrites who themselves live in concrete palaces and use the American microprocessor powered computers and internet for their propaganda. Shame on them and shame on their deeds. Hypocrite liars all of them are. Mofos from top to bottom.

  136. Smith says:

    One of the most renowned specialist over the matters of taliban etc says that there is now possibility that Pakistan with its nukes might fall to taliban’s hands (with help from US/UK/Saudis): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25870662

    Another reason why, Iran must have nuclear weapons to be able to survive. There is no question about that. Even the majority of Iranian public believe that. This deal is nothing and it will be over eventually.

  137. Dan Cooper says:

    Israel Is Spying In And On The U.S.?

    U.S. investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S., who may have known things they didn’t tell us before September 11

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm

  138. BiBiJon says:

    See you all when this site gets moderated.

  139. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    January 25, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    Well, every one is responsible for the state he and his society is in, ultimately. These cargo cult nations, who have barely contributed anything to the world and they have been unlucky in the sense that they were not blessed by having a large oil deposit as, Iranians have been so they can not become arbadeh kesh. They have to break up ships.

    Pakistan used to be a major exporter of surgical instruments (things like scalpels, artery forceps, scissors etc) long time ago. But they could not innovate, brand and do quality control. I guess, their customer base has mostly shrank to include only a few countries like Iran. It is their own fault. They are growing incapable of thinking.

    A country like Iran has been so much behind that research has become expensive for it (though still affordable). If Iran wanted to commit to R&D and reverse engineer with the aim of mass production of the 500 essential medicines over the next 10 years, I would say it would need at a very minimum an annual R&D of over a billion dollars. In a country like Iran that certainly looks expensive. And it is just one item on the long list of things to do for Iran.

    Your questions are really interesting and made me remember some related things which might be interesting to you:

    1/7/8) In China, they had built dams disregarding the western science and standards. Even Russian engineers cautioned the Chinese government but to no avail. The chief Chinese hydrologist in charge of safety studies for the dams was dismissed from his job because he did not agree with the official orders. Then came the 1975 flood. The Chinese government had built the dams based on calculations for a one in 1000 years great flood event. But the 1975 great flood was a one in 2000 years event.

    The price was great. Dozens of dams failed. The event is the greatest dam failure event in the history of mankind with near to a million dead/injured and tens of millions losing their homes and livelihood (famine and disease followed). The situation was so bad that the Chinese Air Force (PLAAF) had to go and bomb the dams intentionally. It was something right out of a holywood science fiction movie.

    The western science of hydrology had called for dams to be built resistant to flood events of one in 10,000 years (with some current ones advocating a one in 25,000 years). China then rebuilt the dams based on these parameters.

    2/11/12) I remembered the mention of Pharaoh in Quran, wherein God says he has been preserved and that he and his tombs were finally found as well (not by cargo cult followers though obviously). But it is more deeper than that. There are still questions left to be answered, were Iranians Muslims even before Muhammadan Islam came? Was Mani a Prophet of God? What about Zoroaster? When Takfiris call Shia/Iranians fire-worshipers, is this not important to set the record straight with archaeological evidence? The takfiris are stripping Syria bare of its archaeological heritage. They have been doing this with zeal and tenaciousness. Should not Iran battle them on this front too by discrediting them?

    3/4) There must be variations of incidence and manifestation of known psychiatric diseases, as well as the yet to be discovered ones, ofcourse. But Iran does not have DSM-5 (diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders, fifth edition) as United States has. We simply do not know. And certainly, there is a big stigma associated with this issue in Iran. But then we are living in a pre-Galileo era in Iran. Such questions will not be welcomed in a country like Iran. In Iran, still, we still have people from 11th century who do not want to let Iran to move forward. So this question though being the most critical, will produce the most reactionary emotionalism, you can expect. WHO ranks Iran among the countries with high DALY rates for neuro-psychiatric conditions. As for peculiar psychiatric conditions in Iran, there might be, but these will be few if ever found. They will be things like Hikikomori in Japan.

    5/16) As the prices for DNA tests have come down substantially, I think Iran should be the first country to do the tests for its entire population. At today’s rates, it would cost around 7 billion dollars (nothing compared to the 120 billion dollars they gave to haram-khor foreign banks). The data will be immense. It will start to benefit Iranians immediately in gigantic ways and will continue to benefit into the future. A DNA data bank for the whole population.

    A small umbilicus blood bank was operating in Tehran for the purpose of stem cell preservation. But these projects are too small and are all underfunded. The idea behind it was very good. To allow the future generation of Iranians to have a pluripotent cell bank so that in future they would be able to access it. As you can see the mood of the public is very much the cargo cult and voodoo.

    6) There must be variations, that is given. Currently Iranian doctors get trained reading American and British medical textbooks. Though I do not think that Iranians will be able to produce standard medical text books in this century, but Iran badly needs data in medical fields. For example an increasingly important health issue in Iran are the hypertension, diabetes and cardiovascular diseases. Currently doctors depend on statistical studies done in US for long term drug efficacy and mortality rates to choose medicines for the patients. There is now strong evidence that different ethnic groups respond differently to long term use of medicines.

    For example, in US evidence has built up that black patients do not benefit as much as the whites from ACE-inhibitors/ARB’s alone and need addition of diuretics/Calcium channel blockers as well in certain scenarios. In, Iran we simply do not know. Iranian doctors follow American/British guidelines since no long term studies are funded in Iran (eg. something like ALLHAT).

    Or take the example of Iranian Jews having a uniquely high incidence of pseudocholinesterase deficiency. There are just too many things. Iran is a backward country and research is a new thing in Iran with lots of people being its enemy.

    9) I guess, no study/very little studies have been done in this regard as well. But if I had to hypothesize, then I would say for large structures because of earthquakes, a base isolated steel skeleton reinforced concrete structure would be more resistant than the traditional mud buildings built by a supercorrupt son of a bazari/me’mar. Studies show that alot of people in Iranian earthquakes die not because of crushing but because of suffocation due to mad aerosolizing and suffocating the occupants who have survived the failure of the structure. For smaller structures, I would say light composite materials would be a better solution. In fact in Iran house built out of shipping containers are safer than the low quality and badly engineered time-bomb houses being built in Iran. A container house would survive even a 9 Richter. In Japan they have container hotels.

    10) God in Quran repeatedly says: Think. And then invites humanity to explore the space. But then a hypocrite would not have any interest in such things. I mean why would a super-corrupt would want to build a huge underground neutrino detector and wait for it to warn the birth of the next supernova. I mean, this is beautiful and I love science but you are advocating this for Iran? A cargo cult nation.

    13) You are asking too much of these imbeciles. For this, you need a really vibrant linguistic department in the middle of a vibrant university, where students are fond of wondering, questioning and working hard to find answers to their never asked before questions. This does not exist in Iran right now. The max, it is on the mind of a linguistics students is to get some translation job sort of things. The sense of wonder is dead in 99.99% of students (specially in humanities).

    14) No studies have been done. Actually it is quite taboo too. Since the supercorrupt mafia is involved in its importation, then things can become dangerous very quickly. But its effects on Iranian society is great from divorces to child beatings. But the real effects nowadays are those of synthetic drugs that the mafia is manufacturing inside the country. The devastation that this is causing inside Iran is mind boggling. It is tearing the foundation of society apart. Whole families have been destroyed. Millions of people are affected. I do not think the mafia will ever allow the funding of this research.

    17) Some rudimentary work must have been done in this regard since Iran manufacture some early 1960′s era rockets. But of course to expand on it, alot of funding would be needed. Such a library would not come cheap.

    18) Not only those, but also German, French, English, Russian, Japanese, Chinese, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Latin, Greek and Sanskrit. The effort will be gigantic. I do not see the will for this among the followers of the cargo cult.

    19) Iran does not have the technology for that yet. First it must develop the technology for deep marine surveys. Iran still does not have a simple scientific ship, let alone the equipment required for these kind of large jobs. During Ahmadinejad time, there were some talks about building an academic science ship. Then everything went quite.

    It is indeed endless, as you put it.

  140. Smith says:

    One bite the dust. Incidentally, this one was one of the first who attacked me personally. Good riddance.

  141. Smith says:

    ordinary says:
    January 25, 2014 at 4:35 am

    Not at all.

    I think then you are not lying. Maybe you have not comprehended the Farsi in the link. He is a war veteran who used to do operation beyond enemy lines. His insurance documents were complete and newly issued, as he has written. Furthermore as you might know in Iran, they charge you the premium per month and take it off your salary for all policies (wife, children and all). When they are charging money, they are not asking for marriage certificate but when you need a service then all these “Kaghaz-Bazi” starts.

    It is not fair to send people from one office to the next, making them stand in line for hours and waste their days in order to dispense a few medicines. All in the age of IT. Knowing the system? Well the system is rotten and has to be changed. A moft-khor is sitting in a pharma shop to just “authenticate” the stamp. Is this the way to do things? A doctor has to follow ethics (introduce yourself to the patient, speak clearly with compassion and help). Not mumbling and then ridiculing the patient. Then a pharma/insurance alliance forcing people to do unnecessary lab tests. What is this? Go back and read the link again. See if you can learn what is wrong with the system and what can be done to fix it.

    1) You do not need to have a “super hero team”. That is childish and silly. All you need to do is to keep yourself informed and not to buy into lies and hypocrisy. The rest is going to become alright automatically. Imagine if Tehran’s mayor or the minister of environment is giving a speech to the people. And he/she talks BS about pollution, trying to fool the people without mentioning the fact that there are six million cars in Tehran with not even 600 of them having catalytic converters. He tries to fool the people and blame this or that for the single biggest cause of the pollution in Tehran. If everyone is informed and does not accept lies, they will start to laugh at him and question him on his ignorance. He will know that the public knows.

    For this you need individuals who are informed and do not accept lies and hypocrisy. There was this Iranina health minister who every third was going to a corner of Iran and inaugurate another project claiming that Iran has become khod-kafa. But when sanctions hit Iran, then same minister was blaming everyone but herself. Instead of having the courage to say that she was lying all the time and now she takes responsibility and resigns, she had become a hypocrite. Forget about a team. First you, must rise up and say, no more lies and hypocrisy.

    2) People ignore the law, because the law is not enforced the bullies and the powerful. If people see that every one is accountable before the law, then every body will respect it. Right now, in Iran law is only for the peasants. The feudal lords of every shade and variety roam the earth, thinking of themselves being above the law. Only when the leaders of the society submit themselves before the law, that we can expect the masses of the peasants to do the same. It is all upto the leaders. You can not expect the clerk to be honest when his boss is not.

    3) Then you have the issue of forcing people to be corrupt. For example by trying to make such a convoluted “kaghaz-bazi” that Iran’s Bismark health insurance system collapse. For example by hiring too many moft-khor and paying them such a low amount of salary so that they are forced to take bribes, instead of having a system with less moft-khor and more productive people with better salary. For example having less moft-khors in dozens of offices that our pilot had to visit to get something that could be managed by an IT team and a software. All those moft-khors create inefficiencies which then lead to bribes and system collapse.

    4) Media has its role as I said. But if the leaders do not follow what they preach, it will have no effect.

    5) R&D is beyond the capability of a “sarraf”. The government must finance it. R&D takes times sometimes in span of decades for its results to benefit people. You certainly can not expect a sarraf to underwrite it. Private sector has its place, but in current situation in Iran, I do not think even if provided fertile grounds, no more than 10-15% of R&D can be done by the private sector. As of now government already provides 97% of R&D budgets. Expecting “sarraf” to come and take over is childish.

    6) The anti-dote of a poison is NOT a weaker version of itself. Not at all. That is wrong. Weaker “version” of viruses and bacterial products make vaccines but this is not so for the poisons and anti-dotes which have different mechanism of actions entirely. Cronyism only begets more cronyism. The solution is to have a merit based system which provides equal opportunity for everyone in the society. Resources and economic information must be available to all. Not a select few to earn rent on it. Iran needs transparency, not cronyism.

    7) The emergency tools I wrote above, are enough. You would not need more than that, to progress. Just pick up those tools.

  142. Sammy says:

    M.Ali , your comments are always insightful and interesting.
    I do not intend to overemphasize about Japan , however for me Japan is the ultimate measure of all things . For sure it is the most industrialized country in the world , accompanied with a deep sense for tradition and culture and somehow as an Iranian/Asian it makes me proud , that an Asian country tops the ‘ Best ‘ and most sophisticated country in the world.
    It must haven been with utmost disgust for the Western countries to admit Japan into the Group of G6 , G7 etc. in the early 60s.
    As a kid I always remember the group photos of tall ‘White Men’ and a 1.65 cm Japanese amongst them ( fucking slit eye is what they must have mumbled ).
    Currently the Japanese government is building a new embassy in Mahmoudiyeh .
    It happens by coincidence that I know about the details of the construction work and once finished , it will be the most earthquake resistant building in whole of Iran. They have dispatched a group of Japanese engineers and earthquake experts and also workers , who are working around the clock to finish the building soonest , truly amazing.
    Certainly I agree with fyi that Japan has not suffered extensive occupation in her history and therefore could preserve her culture and traditions and related issues , however for UK I cannot share this opinion. Just remember the riots of 2 years ago in London and other UK cities , it was blunt savagery and compare this to the scenes after Fukushima , where 25 000 died instantly and hundreds of thousand of survivors were patiently standing in queue for accomodation with not even one reported case of looting/riots etc. whatsoever , NOTHING.
    Also it would be difficult even wrong to compare Japanese ‘Imperialism’ to British , Portuguese , Dutch , French etc. and now US as I think M/Ali suggested.
    Bottom Line : Learn from Japan/China and the world is a better place.
    As mentioned earlier , it is a shame that currently we only have around 200 Iranian students studying in Japan , out of which I doubt that even one person will return to Mad Town/Toxic city.

  143. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    “But I am here to keep them in check. So no worry.”

    Well, what a relief…thank God for that.

    Apparently his naneh didn’t teach him that having an IQ above 140 doesn’t mean you are allowed to be an asshole.

    Like I said, a lot of what he says is factually correct, the problem is that he’s a major dick.

    I remember how the tools who killed Shahid Motahhari, Shahid Mofatteh, Shahid Qazi Tabatabai, Shahid Araqi and his son and others in the name of “Eslam bedoone rohaniat”- use to say similar things and viciously curse everyone like closet case does.

    Thank God Sepah got rid of every single one of them.

    When after the embassy was taken and documents there were analyzed, it turned out that they were being manipulated by 2-3 vasete from the US embassy to committ these assassinations.

    When one of their leaders in prison was confronted with the fact that he was being played by the Americans, he began cursing and physically assaulting everyone.

    Then he ripped his trousers apart and committed suicide by hanging himself up in his cell.

    Hekayate Smith hekayate furqan o amsale Gudarzi-e.

    You don’t even realize you’re being played, pesaram.

    All the intelligence, research, scientific knowledge etc. without tazkiye nafs, tavazo and most importantly velayat-madari- be darde amat mikhore.

    Fahmidi?

    I pray for you.

  144. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    BibiJon,

    I understand your point and I hinted at how the forum is turning into a love fest between you-know-which-two in one of my previous comments.

    Your contributions are always welcome and appreciated.

  145. Karl.. says:

    Good news. Iran get visited by some big names.

    https://twitter.com/SharghDaily/status/427161632016322560/photo/1

  146. Persian Gulf says:

    ﺍﻟﺒﺘﻪ ﺧﯿﻠﯽ ﺟﺎﻫﺎ ﺩﺭ ﺍﯾﺮﺍﻥ ﺧﻮﺩ ﭘﺮﻭﺳﻪ ﻣﻨﻄﻘﯽ ﻫﺴﺖ ﻭﻟﯽ ﺍﺻﻞ ﻗﻀﯿﻪ ﺍﺷﺘﺒﺎﻫﻪ ﻭ ﺑﻪ ﺍﯾﻦ ﺩﺳﺘﮕﺎﻩ ﻋﺮﯾﺾ ﻭ ﻃﻮﯾﻞ ﭘﯿﭽﯿﺪﮔﯽ ﺑﯿﺨﻮﺩ ﻣﯿﺪﻩ. ﭼﻨﺪ ﻫﻔﺘﻪ ﭘﯿﺶ ﺩﺭ ﺍﯾﺮﺍﻥ ﮔﻔﺘﻢ ﺑﺮﻡ ﻣﺪﺭﮐﻢ رو ﺗﺄﯾﯿﺪ ﺩﺍﺧﻞ ﮐﻨﻢ. ﯾﻪ ﻧﺼﻒ ﺭﻭﺯ ﺑﯿﻦ ﺩﻭ ﺗﺎ ﺳﺎﺧﺘﻤﻮﻥ ﺟﺪﯾﺪ ﺩﻭﯾﺪﻡ ﺗﺎ ﻧﺎﻣﻪ ﺑﮕﯿﺮﻡ ﭘﻮﻟﯽ ﻧﮕﺮﻓﺘﻢ ﻭ ﺗﻌﻬﺪﯼ ﻧﺪﺍﺭﻡ. ﺁﺧﺮﺵ ﺑﻪ ﻣﺴﻮﻝ ﺍﻭﻧﺠﺎ ﮔﻔﺘﻢ ﭘﺮﻭﺳﻪ ﮔﺮﻓﺘﻦ ﺍﯾﻦ ﻧﺎﻣﻪ ﻣﻨﻄﻘﯽ ﻫﺴﺖ ﻭﻟﯽ ﺍﺻﻞ ﻗﻀﯿﻪ ﻣﺸﮑﻞ ﺩﺍﺭﻩ. ﺍﺻﻼ ﭼﺮﺍ ﻭﻗﺘﯽ ﺍﯾﺮﺍﻥ ﺑﺎ ﻓﺮﺍﺭ ﺗﺤﺼﯿﻞ ﮐﺮﺩﻩ ﻣﻮﺍﺟﻪ ﻫﺴﺖ ﺑﺎﯾﺴﺖ ﺑﻪ ﺩﺍﻧﺸﺠﻮﯼ ﻏﯿﺮ ﺑﻮﺭﺱ ﺍﺭﺯ ﺩﻭﻟﺘﯽ ﺩﺍﺩﻩ ﺑﺸﻪ ﮐﻪ ﺍﯾﻨﻬﻤﻪ ﮐﺎﻏﺬ ﺑﺎﺯﯼ ﺍﯾﻨﺠﺎ ﺭﺍﻩ ﺑﯿﻮﻓﺘﻪ؟ ﺍﯾﺮﺍﻥ ﺍﻻﻥ ﻣﺤﻘﻖ ﮐﺎﺭﺑﻠﺪ ﺯﯾﺎﺩ ﻫﻢ ﺩﺍﺭﻩ ﺩﺭ ﺣﺎﻟﯽ ﮐﻪ ﺗﺠﻬﯿﺰﺍﺕ ﺗﺤﻘﯿﻖ ﺧﯿﻠﯽ ﺍﺑﺘﺪﺍﯾﯽ ﻫﺴﺖ.

    ﯾﺎ ﺩﺍﺩﻥ ﺍﺭﺯ ﻣﺴﺎﻓﺮﺗﯽ ﺑﻪ ﮐﺴﯽ ﮐﻪ ﻣﯿﺮﻩ ﺁﻧﺘﺎﻟﯿﺎ ﯾﺎ ﺗﺎﯾﻠﻨﺪ ﻋﺸﻖ ﻭ ﺣﺎﻝ ﯾﺎ ﮐﺮﺑﻼ ﻭ ﻣﮑﻪ ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﺣﺎﻝ ﻣﻌﻨﻮﯼ.
    ﺍﺳﺘﺪﻻﻝ ﺑﻌﻀﯽ ﻫﺎ ﺍﯾﻦ ﻫﺴﺖ ﮐﻪ ﺍﯾﻦ ﺍﺭﺯ ﺩﺭ ﻏﯿﺮ ﺍﯾﻨﺼﻮﺭﺕ ﻣﯿﺮﻩ ﺩﺳﺖ ﻭﺍﺭﺩ ﮐﻨﻨﺪﻩ ﻣﺤﺼﻮﻻﺕ ﺑﻨﺠﻞ ﭼﯿﻨﯽ ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﺭﯾﺎﻝ ﺷﺪﻥ. ﺩﺭﺣﺎﻟﯽ ﮐﻪ ﺩﻭﻟﺖ ﻣﯿﺘﻮﻧﻪ ﭼﻨﯿﻦ ﭘﻮﻟﻬﺎﯾﯽ ﺭﻭ ﺍﺧﺘﺼﺎﺹ ﺑﺪﻩ ﺑﻪ ﻭﺍﺭﺩﺍﺕ ﺗﺠﻬﯿﺰﺍﺕ ﺁﺯﻣﺎﯾﺸﮕﺎﻫﯽ ﻭ ﺗﺤﻘﯿﻖ. ﺍﻻﻥ ﺗﺠﻬﯿﺰﺍﺕ ﺣﺘﯽ ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﺯﻣﯿﻨﻪ ﻫﺎﯼ ﺷﺪﯾﺪﺍ ﺁﻧﯽ ﻣﺜﻞ ﺁﻟﻮﺩﮔﯽ ﻫﻮﺍ ﻭ ﺁﺏ ﺩﺭ ﺳﻄﺢ ﻣﺴﺨﺮﺳﺖ ﺩﺭ ﺍﯾﺮﺍﻥ. ﺗﺤﻘﯿﻖ ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﺟﻠﻮ ﺑﺮﺩﻥ ﻣﺮﺯ ﺩﺍﻧﺶ ﺑﻤﺎﻧﺪ ، ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﺗﺤﻘﯿﻘﺎﺕ ﺍﺑﺘﺪﺍﯾﯽ ﮐﻤﺒﻮﺩ ﻣﻨﺎﺑﻊ ﻭ ﺗﺠﻬﯿﺰﺍﺕ ﻫﺴﺖ. ﻭ ﺧﯿﻠﯽ ﺯﻣﯿﻨﻪ ﻫﺎﯼ ﺩﯾﮕﻪ ﻣﺜﻞ ﺍﯾﻦ ﻫﺴﺖ ﮐﻪ ﺩﻭﻟﺖ ﻣﯿﺘﻮﻧﻪ ﺑﻬﺘﺮ ﺑﺎ ﻫﻤﯿﻦ ﺑﻮﺩﺟﻪ ﻣﺤﺪﻭﺩ ﮐﺎﺭ ﮐﻨﻪ. ﺍﻻﻥ ﺩﻭﻟﺖ ﯾﻪ ﺟﻮﺭﺍﯾﯽ ﮔﺬﺭﺍﻥ ﺭﻭﺯﺍﻧﻪ ﻣﯿﮑﻨﻪ. ﺍﻟﺒﺘﻪ ﺑﺤﺚ ﺗﻮﻟﯿﺪ ﺩﺍﺧﻞ ﺍﯾﻦ ﺗﺠﻬﯿﺰﺍﺕ ﻫﺴﺖ ﻭ ﺗﻮﻟﯿﺪ ﺗﮑﻨﻮﻟﻮﮊﯼ ﮐﻪ ﻣﺴﻠﻪ ﻃﻮﻻﻧﯽ ﻣﺪﺕ ﺗﺮﯼ ﻫﺴﺖ.

    ﺗﺤﻘﯿﻘﺎﺕ ﺑﯿﻮﻟﻮﮊﯾﮑﯽ ﺑﺎ ﺍﯾﻦ ﭘﻮﻟﻬﺎﯾﯽ ﮐﻪ ﺗﻮ ﺍﯾﺮﺍﻥ ﻫﺴﺖ ﺷﺒﯿﻪ ﺟﮏ ﻣﯿﺸﻪ. ﺍﻻﻥ ﻫﺮ ﺁﺯﻣﺎﯾﺸﮕﺎﻫﯽ ﺍﯾﻨﻮﺭ ﺩﻧﯿﺎ ﭼﻨﺪ ﺩﻩ ﯾﺎ ﺻﺪ ﻣﯿﻠﯿﻮﻥ ﺩﻻﺭﯼ ﺑﻮﺩﺟﻪ ﺍﺵ ﻫﺴﺖ. ﺗﺎﺯﻩ ﭼﯿﺰﯼ ﻫﻢ ﻣﻤﮑﻨﻪ ﺍﺯ ﺗﻮﺵ ﺩﺭ ﻧﯿﺎﺩ ﻟﺰﻭﻣﺎ. ﺑﻪ ﻧﻈﺮ ﻣﻦ ﺍﯾﺮﺍﻥ ﺑﺎﯾﺴﺖ ﻣﻮﺭﺩﯼ ﺳﺮﻣﺎﯾﻪ ﮔﺬﺍﺭﯼ ﮐﻨﻪ ﻭ ﻣﺰﯾﺖ ﻧﺴﺒﯽ ﺗﻮ ﭼﻨﺪ ﺯﻣﯿﻨﻪ ﺳﻌﯽ ﮐﻨﻪ ﺍﯾﺠﺎﺩ ﮐﻨﻪ ﺑﻪ ﺍﻣﯿﺪ ﺍﯾﻨﮑﻪ ﺑﻘﯿﻪ ﺯﻣﯿﻨﻪ ﻫﺎ ﺭﻭ ﺗﺤﺖ ﺗﺎﺛﯿﺮ ﻗﺮﺍﺭ ﺑﺪﻩ. ﭼﯿﺰﯼ ﮐﻪ ﺭﺍﺟﻊ ﺑﻪ ﻧﺎﻧﻮ ﻗﺼﺪﺵ ﺑﻮﺩ ﻭﻟﯽ ﺑﺪ ﺍﺟﺮﺍ ﺷﺪ.

  147. James Canning says:

    Sammy,

    You appear to have forgotten that Britain was proud to be the ally of Imperial Japan a century ago.

  148. James Canning says:

    Smith,

    Your suggestion the US or the UK would help the Taleban obtain loose nukes from Pakistan is preposterous.

  149. fyi says:

    Persian Gulf says:

    January 26, 2014 at 11:57 am

    In Italy, for decades, their universities (real universities such as Rome, Bologna etc.) were staffed not by Ph.D.s but by people with master of sciences or the arts degrees.

    This was true until fairly recently – say about 20 or so years ago.

    If you ever take a look at the IEEE publications, you will note the large number of papers accepted for publication from Japan in which the authors also have only Master of Engineering degrees.

    One can do research without advanced degree if one is immersed in an ongoing research enterprise.

    Yes, it is true that for performing research – say in non-linear optics and quantum electronics – you would need $ 399,000 to setup your equipment – optical bench, lenses, lasers, detectors etc.

    On the other hand, for doing research in 3D printing and control of material properties you need tens of thousands of dollars – you can download the specifications for a do-it-yourself 3D printer which a philanthropic American has supplied. The rest is cheap polymers, lasers for curing, control hardware/software that are not very expensive.

    There is a fair amount of basic steel or aluminum metallurgy that is not being done in US any longer; the funding for it has disappeared as Americans have decided to be a great country by delivering pizzas and data bits to one another.

    Field Biology (Observational Biology), Forestry, Ecology are all fields that have been neglected in US over the last 40 years – it does not require a lot of money to do research there – your largest expense is to fund the graduate students (and their families) for the 4 or 5 years it takes for them to do the work.

    I would like to draw you attention to the book by Dr. Turchin – Historical Dynamics – in which he discusses the emergence of ethnos in the sense of the late Lev Gumilev.

    I think it would be quite interesting to apply his ideas as well as his methods – systems of coupled linear differential equations – to the emergence of the Safavid state and the new Iranian ethnos. Again, the major cost will be support for the livelihood of the graduate student for the 4 or 5 years it will take for him to gather the data, analyze it, and publish the results.

    In US, the cost of graduate students is at least $ 35,000 when paid out of the research funds. Iran will have lower costs.

    But the availability of funds is not the only difficulty – the major difficulty is finding people who can ask questions or who are – at the very least – interested in finding the answers to such questions.

  150. James Canning says:

    On antoher note:

    “Lieutenant-Commander Mitsuo fuchida, who led the 400 Japanese fighter planes ton the [attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii] and gave the famous radio signal “Tora! Tora! Tora! . . . after the war became a Christian evangelist and settled in the US.”
    – - The Times (London) Jan 18th

  151. Smith says:

    Now it is clear that, at the end of the day it comes to this unfortunately: http://oi42.tinypic.com/29c7y1f.jpg

  152. Rehmat says:

    The Elders arrive in Iran: Beware of the trap

    Iranian foreign minister Dr. Mohammad Javad Zarif is hosting a delegate from The Elders, which arrived in Tehran on Sunday on a 3-day visit. The delegation is lead by former United Nations secretary-general Kofi Annan. The other members of the delegation include Desmond Tutu, former Archbishop of Cape Town, Martti Ahtisaari, former President of Finland, Ernesto Zedillo, former President of Mexico and many others.

    With the exception of Bishop Tutu, the other three are known lovers of Israel. Tutu himself has criticized Islamic Republic over Bahis, Ahmadinejad re-election in 2009 and LGBT and other so-called “human rights abuses”.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/01/27/the-elders-arrive-in-iran-beware-of-the-trap/

  153. fyi says:

    Sammy says:

    January 26, 2014 at 3:44 am

    The language structure is a huge impediment.

    A month after starting a course in Spanish, I could form simple sentences.

    Two months after starting a course in Japanese every time I formed a sentence, my Japanese instructor would tell me that it was wrong.

    It was a very frustrating experience.

    I observed a similar situation with a German friend, but this time with Chinese.

    I do not think you can find very many native Indo-European speakers who can write passable Japanese prose.

    On the other hand, I observed Korean speakers learning Chinese or Japanese with a lot of ease.

    The East Asians think alike – unlike people in the Western Eurasia, and vice versa.

  154. Smith says:

    Spain Vs. Iran. Is this even possible in Iran: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNRy_tXo00k

  155. Smith says:

    Who created the monster and who is feeding it, while the world is being made a fool: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jL58T4RgEx0/SfdhVedYJaI/AAAAAAAAATk/zTF3evAq5hA/S1600-R/KARIKATUR+3.jpg

  156. Smith says:

    Pakistanis are growing impatient with American support for taleban: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEqCKkq8wFU

  157. Sammy says:

    fyi says:
    January 27, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    I am encouraging my son to learn Japanese and got him a Japanese teacher since about 1 year and it works quite well , you have to start very early otherwise it is almost impossible to learn Japanese ( both written and spoken ).
    There is scholarship and if he passes the test here in Tehran he will be admitted to any Japanese university of his choice free of charge and the parents automatically get multi-entry visa during the stay of their child , truly amazing.
    BTW , did you know that in Japan ( population of 127 million ), without even one exception , every one knows his own blood type , what can I say other than ‘truly amazing ‘.

  158. Smith says:

    Iran is the world’s fist country to have been kicked out of the global banking mafia system (even Hitler, Saddam and Kim dynasty were never kicked out). You might think, this would have forced Iranians to become innovative and offer something even superior to the mafia controlled global banking. But you are wrong.

    Innovation is not born in brain dead societies. The innovation is coming from places that encourage and fund thinking and questioning: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25911784

    Shame on liars. Shame on hypocrites.

  159. fyi says:

    All:

    On the so-called Russian-Iran Oil Swap Deal (or why it is was only smoke and mirrors)

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/01/oil-iran-russia-sanctions-relief-zarif.html

  160. Smith says:

    Justice for a Muslim kid in the British System: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25916336

    Can a Muslim kid expect the same in Iran? Absolutely Not.

    By the way the Great Ormond Street Hospital for Children was co-founded by the great novelist, Charles Dickens, out of his love for children and their well being. It has been instrumental in researching and developing numerous cures for the ailments of children, which are benefiting the children all over the world today.

  161. fyi says:

    All:

    Another comment on the so-called Russian-Iran Oil Swap Deal (or why it is was only smoke and mirrors) – in Persian -

    http://www.irdiplomacy.ir/fa/page/1927881/%D9%85%D8%A7+%D9%88+%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3+%D9%87%D8%A7+%D9%88+%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%A7%D9%86+%D9%86%D9%81%D8%AA+.html

  162. fyi says:

    All:

    US leaders have no intention of helping end the war in Syria:

    http://news.yahoo.com/congress-secretly-approves-u-weapons-flow-39-moderate-223506323.html

    It is an inexpensive way for them to harm the Shia Crescent while keeping pressure off Israel.

    The failure of Geneva II is also useful for US as she keeps the “diplomatic track” open until a more opportune time.

    Basically, US will keep all fires burning until she is ready to attack Syria and then Iran.

  163. Smith says:

    Compare with justice and accountability in Iran: http://blog.sabayepedar.net/

    (For non-Farsi readers: It is a similar case to the British kid, but with the difference that no compensation and no apology and assurance for learning from the mistake was made. The father of the kid then was forced to sell one of his kidneys in order to pay for her care.)

    Shame on liars.

    Shame on hypocrites.

  164. Smith says:

    If Iranians could also realize that it is the “entire horror of their nature” which is causing them to be punished for their injustices to themselves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpnM6Lfy5Jg

    As always,

    Shame on liars.

    Shame on hypocrites.

  165. Rehmat says:

    British veteran journalist and author, Alan Hart’s comment over Netanyahu reaction to Rouhani speech at WEF Davos, was: “What Netanyahu needs most of all is some psychiatric help.”

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/01/28/netanyahu-g-d-i-hate-iranian-charm/

  166. M. Ali says:

    Word of the Day: Oikophobia

  167. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    M. Ali,

    Smith is a tortured soul. Pray for him.

    He curses the “white mans’” barbarity while at the same time making the white mans’ culture the object of our aspirations.

    He doesn’t realize that the God-less science and unemotional “efficiency” and the global genocide (and “rape” and “torture” and etc.) are a package deal.

    Can’t separate them I’m afraid.

    He doesn’t get that.

    I would rather be a “cargo cult” than arrogant ignorant a-hole IQ 147 Smith.

  168. Sineva says:

    fyi says:
    January 27, 2014 at 6:45 pm
    Agreed,the russians have shown themselves time and again to be utterly untrustworthy

  169. fyi says:

    Sineva says:

    January 28, 2014 at 5:54 am

    I think it was a means to get the Axis Powers to agree to the Geneva MoU.

    Let us face it, Russia does not export much to Iran and her potential industrial exports to Iran would have been in military and nuclear fields – a non-starter under the current circumstances and for the foreseeable future.

  170. fyi says:

    Smith says:

    January 27, 2014 at 7:51 pm

    Yes, it is the Fall of Man.

    دی شیخ با چراغ همی​گشت گرد شهر کز دیو و دد ملولم و انسانم آرزوست
    گفتند یافت می​نشود جسته​ایم ما گفت آنک یافت می​نشود آنم آرزوست

    The entire Mormon religion is dedicated to caressing of that “Kingly” ego of males.

  171. fyi says:

    Smith says:

    January 27, 2014 at 7:51 pm

    http://www.tebyan.net/BigImage.aspx?img=http://Img1.Tebyan.net/Big\1387\10\24062531981861799123854206143222623163123.jpg

  172. fyi says:

    Smith says:

    January 27, 2014 at 7:51 pm

    شاعر برجسته ی معاصر مرحوم سید حسن حسینی در سرود پنجم از شعر پنج سرود اینگونه زیبا به این شعر تلمیحی می آورد و معنای جدیدی را خلق می کند :

    سرود پنجم :

    پروانه سوخته

    دی شیخ با چراغ…

    و من امروز

    در جستجوی چراغی برآمده ام

    تا در پرتو سخاوت روشنگرش

    تماشایی تازه را

    از سر گیرم

    دی شیخ با چراغ…

    و من امروز با داغی در دل

    سراغ از چراغ می گیرم

    باغی از انسان

    پیش چشمانم

    شاخ و برگ گسترده است.

  173. fyi says:

    All:

    An assessment of US Syrian policy (or why US planners will not end it)

    http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/america-winning-the-syrian-civil-war-9779

    [Syria was not an enemy of US, her leaders wished to have good relations with US but that was not to be. US and EU leaders wished to destroy her to help Israel and wound Iran.

    Americans are going around the world looking for enemies; as though they have infinite resources.]

  174. Sammy says:

    Truly unbelievable :

    http://www.economist.com/news/obituary/21594951-hiroo-onoda-soldier-japanese-imperial-army-died-january-16th-aged-91-last-man

    ‘Hiroo Onoda, soldier of the Japanese imperial army, died on January 16th, aged 91
    Jan 25th 2014′

    “” ….. BEFORE he approached the tent where his commanding officer waited on March 9th 1974, Hiroo Onoda did two things. First, he inspected his rifle. (The Arisaka 99 still worked perfectly; over almost 30 years he had treated it as tenderly as a baby.) Then he retied his boots. Nothing must be slipshod. A soldier of the god-emperor had to be pure, prepared and spiritually invincible.

    He had taken elaborate care to get this far. All his guerrilla training had been employed in case, as he suspected, he was walking into a trap. He had planned the meeting for the evening, when there would be just enough light to recognise a face but not enough to hinder his escape, if necessary. Palm and bosa trees hid him as he crept down from the mountains. To cross clearings, he camouflaged his threadbare army uniform—more neatly sewn patches than uniform—with sticks and leaves. Wherever it was safe, he rested.

    It was helpful that, after three decades living off the land, he was familiar with every inch of Lubang Island in the Philippines. He knew when local farmers would be about, and where, because he stole coconuts and mangoes from them and shot their cattle in order to survive. Sometimes he killed the farmers, too. After all, this was war, and he had his orders. The orders were that, though the rest of the Japanese army had withdrawn from the island in February 1945 when the Americans invaded, he, as an intelligence officer, should stay, spy on the enemy and wait for his colleagues to return. So he had waited.

    In the beginning he commanded a unit of three men, but they had died at various points, two shot by the Philippine police. The war had gone very quiet, so quiet that in 1964, to his surprise, America and Japan competed in apparent amity at the Olympic games. But the island still crawled with American agents and spies, who kept dropping leaflets urging him to surrender. All of it was trickery, he thought. He told the young Japanese hiker who eventually found him that he would not stop fighting until his commanding officer, Major Yoshimi Taniguchi, ordered him to cease in person. So on that day in 1974 the elderly major, now a bookseller, especially summoned from Japan, gave him his new orders. Mr Onoda at once laid down his rifle, 500 rounds, his ceremonial sword and sword-belt and his dagger in its white case, and saluted the flag of the rising sun…..

  175. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    You are correct in believing that some of the fanatically “pro-Israel” American politicians would like to see Bashar al-Assad overthrown, so that Israel can keep the Golan Heights (or try to). And injuring Iran was part of their plan too.

  176. James Canning says:

    The Financial Times has a report today on fears amoung some of the illegal Jewish settlers in the West Bank, that some of their illegal colonies will remain part of Palestine. John Kerry should tell them that most of the illegal colonies will remain part of Palestine.

  177. M.Ali says:

    Sammy, how dignified were those unbelievable soldiers (“pure, prepared and spiritually invincible”) of Japanese imperial army, with Chinese babies on their baton?

    Almost half a million civilians were killed by these so awesome soldiers, during less than two months.

    You call your country “the mad” or “toxic city” but as a Japanophile, this is the country you want us to aspire to?

    When you put it on a scale, somehow their ability not to take tips is somehow more important than their black history?

    You say, “however for me Japan is the ultimate measure of all things .”

    I say, not for me.

    You guys are better than history than me, but I don’t know when the last time in Iran we could attribute sentences like this to Iran, “estimated that 20,000 women were raped, including infants and the elderly” or “The women were often killed immediately after being raped, often through explicit mutilation[42] or by stabbing a bayonet, long stick of bamboo, or other objects into the vagina. Young children were not exempt from these atrocities, and were cut open to allow Japanese soldiers to rape them”

    Or

    “On March 7, 1938, Robert O. Wilson, a surgeon at the American-administered University Hospital in the Safety Zone, wrote in a letter to his family, “a conservative estimate of people slaughtered in cold blood is somewhere about 100,000, including of course thousands of soldiers that had thrown down their arms”

    or

    “Let me recount some instances occurring in the last two days. Last night the house of one of the Chinese staff members of the university was broken into and two of the women, his relatives, were raped. Two girls, about 16, were raped to death in one of the refugee camps. In the University Middle School where there are 8,000 people the Japs came in ten times last night, over the wall, stole food, clothing, and raped until they were satisfied. They bayoneted one little boy of eight who have [sic] five bayonet wounds including one that penetrated his stomach, a portion of omentum was outside the abdomen. I think he will live.[46]”

    or

    “In his diary kept during the aggression against the city and its occupation by the Imperial Japanese Army, the leader of the Safety Zone, John Rabe, wrote many comments about Japanese atrocities. For 17 December:

    Two Japanese soldiers have climbed over the garden wall and are about to break into our house. When I appear they give the excuse that they saw two Chinese soldiers climb over the wall. When I show them my party badge, they return the same way. In one of the houses in the narrow street behind my garden wall, a woman was raped, and then wounded in the neck with a bayonet. I managed to get an ambulance so we can take her to Kulou Hospital … Last night up to 1,000 women and girls are said to have been raped, about 100 girls at Ginling College Girls alone. You hear nothing but rape. If husbands or brothers intervene, they’re shot. What you hear and see on all sides is the brutality and bestiality of the Japanese soldiers.["

    or

    "On December 13, about 30 soldiers came to a Chinese house at #5 Hsing Lu Koo in the southeastern part of Nanking, and demanded entrance. The door was open by the landlord, a Mohammedan named Ha. They killed him immediately with a revolver and also Mrs. Ha, who knelt before them after Ha's death, begging them not to kill anyone else. Mrs. Ha asked them why they killed her husband and they shot her. Mrs. Hsia was dragged out from under a table in the guest hall where she had tried to hide with her 1 year old baby. After being stripped and raped by one or more men, she was bayoneted in the chest, and then had a bottle thrust into her vagina. The baby was killed with a bayonet. Some soldiers then went to the next room, where Mrs. Hsia's parents, aged 76 and 74, and her two daughters aged 16 and 14. They were about to rape the girls when the grandmother tried to protect them. The soldiers killed her with a revolver. The grandfather grasped the body of his wife and was killed. The two girls were then stripped, the elder being raped by 2–3 men, and the younger by 3. The older girl was stabbed afterwards and a cane was rammed in her vagina. The younger girl was bayoneted also but was spared the horrible treatment that had been meted out to her sister and mother. The soldiers then bayoneted another sister of between 7–8, who was also in the room. The last murders in the house were of Ha's two children, aged 4 and 2 respectively. The older was bayoneted and the younger split down through the head with a sword.[56]”

    or

    “The seventh and last person in the first row was a pregnant woman. The soldier thought he might as well rape her before killing her, so he pulled her out of the group to a spot about ten meters away. As he was trying to rape her, the woman resisted fiercely … The soldier abruptly stabbed her in the belly with a bayonet. She gave a final scream as her intestines spilled out. Then the soldier stabbed the fetus, with its umbilical cord clearly visible, and tossed it aside.[”

    But hey, thats okay, because ” you would offend them if you offer any tip , truly unbelievable and this behavior derives from their deep-rooted culture.”

    Why are certain Iranians so self-hating?

    Japan can keep their technology advances if it comes with such a past. You can take your child’s hands and be Japanese, but I’d rather us remain Iranians, and aspire to what WE can be, not be like such “deep-rooted cultures”.

  178. James Canning says:

    Fred Kagan, a leading neccon warmonger, in the Wall Street Jouranl today argues it is eesential for the US to “win” the war in Afghanistan. Kagan probably would approve spending a further trillion dollars on that quagmire.

  179. James Canning says:

    Curious thing, in a way: Rouhani gets a warm welcome at Davos, and this fact scarcely gets mentioned on this site.

  180. fyi says:

    M.Ali says:

    January 28, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    Yes, Mr. Ali, you are correct.

    The late Iris Chang documented much of that in her book; “The Rape of Nanking”.

    You may also wish to look at what they did to the Filipinos in Manila and elsewhere – specially as the US Army was closing on Manila.

    However, Mr. Sammy is also correct; Japan is like Italy – a very civilized country.

    However, Italy is informed by the Revelations of Christ Jesus while Japan remains in Jahiliyya – the Age of Darkness.

    2000 years ago, the Rabbis rejected Rome and with it the Classical Civilization since it was devoid of God.

    It remains so today.

    The few Chinese whom I knew always expressed a wish that US had dropped a few more atomic bombs on Japan; a sentiment shared by many in the Philippines.

  181. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    January 28, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    Davos is irrelevant to the substance of the confrontation between Axis Powers and Iran.

    At best, it is a small propaganda victory for Iranians – “Showing the Flag” as it is.

    We have moved passed the point which such gestures meant something.

  182. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    January 28, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    Just like yourself and the conclusion with respect to the demise of the Soviet Union; 30 years ago I came to the conclusion that US could never win another war.

  183. Sammy says:

    ‘M.Ali says:
    January 28, 2014 at 1:43 pm’

    M.Ali don’t take me very serious on my Japanophilia , living in ‘Mad Town/Toxic City’ makes you dream/hallucinate for a better place and my dream is a Japanese one.
    I have been around the world and lived in places you will never imagine and again for me the ultimate country on this planet is Japan.
    Another point which makes me so ‘obsessed’ are Japanese products and I have both business as well as private affiliation for Japanese products.
    What you see in daily life concerning Japanese products is only half of what you would see when you are in Japan.
    Toyota/Nissan/Mazda/Mitsubishi/Subaru/Honda/Toshiba/Panasonic/Canon/Brother/Epson/Olympus/Sony/JVC/Pioneer/Hitachi/Kawasaki/Yamaha/Suzuki/Tamiya/Kyosho/Juki/Toyotomi/Toto/Kenzo/Miyake/Yamamoto and hundreds of more brands ( I didn’t mention those which are unknown outside of Japan and there are a lot) have a fascinating effect on me and usually those products which are exported from Japan are quality and option wise much lower than those products produced for the local Japanese market.
    A Japanese product has the spirit of perfection in it , as well as diligence , efficiency , reliability , practicability , in other words a perfect product as if designed by non-humans.
    Western goods and manufactured products are generally half as good quality wise as Japanese , however through their 300 years of grip over the world they can impose their products on other countries by brute force and in this regard the current ingratiation of the current Iranian government towards the West is disgusting for me.
    Imagine a globally corrupt company like Siemens or Mercedes , Eurodiff , Total , Agip , Eni etc. etc. coming back to Iran , for me a nightmare.
    In my opinion the corrupt people in our government just want to secure the Western university places for their children and their Swiss bank accounts.
    On the other hand I would be delighted if Matsushita ( currently Pars Khazar , ex-National) would come back or the Japanese would retake over BIPC (ex-Iran Japan Petrochemical Co.)
    Regarding the atrocities of course you are right , however I tend to see them as a historic faux pas , nothing compared to Germans , French , British , Russian , and presently Israel/KSA and US atrocities.
    And fyi is also right Italian are the most civilized people in Europe , however they are mostly perverted.

    18 Reasons Tokyo is the Best City in the World :

    http://www.japan-talk.com/jt/new/18-reasons-Tokyo-is-the-best-city-in-the-world

  184. fyi says:

    Sammy says:

    January 28, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    Working with Koreans would be easier; and many of their consumer products are either comparable or superior than similar Japanese products – excepting automobiles.

    Anyway, Japanese will never sell you a factory and then upgrade it for you later – Americans used to do that; I do not know about the present time.

  185. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    January 28, 2014 at 9:52 am

    Sadly, it is indeed the Fall of Man. But even more so, it is the death of the wish and struggle to be the perfect man. The hypocritical animalistic desires of these people have grown so big that even the call for the most simplistic forms of justice can not move them out of their barbaric state. Worse than a cult, they have grown into a pack of beasts. There is no hope for them in this world or the next. These super-corrupt who intend to sew large pockets onto their kafans and take their animalistic desires and ill-gotten wealth with them to the next world, are now beyond any hope to wake from their pathetic comatosed state.

  186. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    January 28, 2014 at 9:53 am

    I do not think, he would have been successful in his search.

    If he had asked me, I would have advised him/her to visit the children ward in the nearest hospital. In, Iran they mostly turn their children into hypocrite, liar and brain dead non-humans as they grow. You can only find humanity when it is at its youngest and weakest state in such shameless nations.

  187. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    It depends upon one’s definition of “winning” a war. Obviously the US in 2003 was militarily capable of routing the Iraqi army etc in a matter of a few days or weeks.

    What comes next, was the question George W. Bush failed to ask. Or, if one accepts he asked it, he failed to insist on a credible answer.

    With Libya, wrecking Gaddafi’s forces was an easy affair. But what comes next?

  188. Smith says:

    Sammy says:
    January 28, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    In the interest of truth and justice, we should not forget factual accounts of historical events (if we want to use them as guide).

    Take the example of massacre of Delhi by Nader Shah. Women, children, young and old were killed and out of their severed heads, hills were made. Human blood was flowing in the streets for days. Or numerous examples of communal punishments by Iranian kings, from blinding the whole towns and cities to the summary execution of the whole towns. I mean, if Iran was not doing what Japanese, American, German or Italians did in 20th century, it was not because they had never done, or that they somehow had “superior” culture. No, sir. It was because, they had grown too impotent and incapable because of their non-industrialized nature. Otherwise they would have done worse. This is what “humans” are.

    But at least, now, countries like Japan can claim that they have contributed to the world more than they took away. Canon (and by extension Nikon) that you mentioned manufactures such superior quality ophthalmic equipment, that Iran will not be able to manufacture even in the next century. From automatic ref-keratometers and tonometers to slit lamps and retinal cameras. Without them, and western companies such as Carl Zeis, there would be no ophthalmology. In Iran they love Japanese and Western ophthalmology equipment and IOC lenses etc (even koon midan, to get their hand on them). This is the reality.

    Or take the case of Toshiba, the designer and manufacturer of world class CT-Scanners, MRI’s and digital radiography equipment. Without their products, the cargo cult nation of Iran would be as advanced in medicine as Congo, Afghanistan and Ethiopia. If not worse.

    Do not take him seriously. They are followers of cargo cult and their ego. They can not see their hypocrisy in using all these Japanese/Western/Russian science and technology products, while their contribution to the world has been zero in the past 500 years (save a couple of useless things like high heel shoes and oil). They can not see, that the majority of Iranian population is alive today because of western progress in hygiene and antibiotics and vaccination. They can not see that half of their body is not made out of natural synthesis but out of German devised Haber process. Their hypocrisy does not allow them to see that their lives are no more than a burden on the world’s food chain. They have had no part in formation of everything we value today from electronics to jet engines to medical technologies to economics to etc etc.

  189. James Canning says:

    On another note:

    “Mr [Phillip] Oppenheim said that until the 1950s Cuba had been the world’s biggest coffee exporter, known for strong but smooth high-end beans, but production plunged after the revolution.”
    – - The Times (London) Jan 16th

  190. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    What neocon warmongers like Fred Kagan seem unable to comprehend is that the US, in spending $1 million per year per soldier, in Afghanistan, is virtually guaranteed to “lose” the war there.

  191. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    January 28, 2014 at 10:05 am

    All is well, that ends well.

    In 1990s US was happy that the taleban and alqaida they created in Afghanistan to fight Soviets, were fighting among themselves and even killing Iranian diplomats. They were ecstatic. Then came that shameful and dark day in September.

    It is the same story here. Just replace Afghanistan with Syria and Pakistan with Turkey. US, UK and Saudi are the constants in these games.

    Monsters seldom remain tamed when fully grown, if at all. Europe must be very concerned this time, about what the mad king is doing. The farm, the eggs and the monsters are much closer to home, on their shores this time.

  192. James Canning says:

    Iraq apparently will be allowed to buy or rent 30 Apache attack helicopters from the US, at a cost of maybe $5 billion. To fight al-Qaeda insurgents in Iraq.

  193. kooshy says:

    BiBijon- I just noticed your last post

    Please come back with your comments and views because you “gotta peaceful, easy feeling” like back in early 70’s that’s really what is needed to make a new change and transition.
    You are missed, think it over don’t let these Rajavi like Iran haters run free and unopposed, you were a breath of hope here, you should reconsider with your comments and views, a lot of us like your thoughtful, full of hope and brightness comments. Hope to see you post again. FYI at times is too opinionated and wrong but admittedly polite and not harmful, but his warm up act smith is truly an unmannered AH who deserves what he gets for demonizing and naming people and above all Iran and Iranians. In Yazd this kind of behavior( like Rajavi) is called Haramzadeh (Bastred).

  194. Sineva says:

    fyi says:
    January 28, 2014 at 9:48 am
    I agree completely,and considering how poorly and unreliably the russans have performed when it came to both nuclear and military deals,they quite frankly have little to offer iran that she could not get elsewhere probably on better terms to boot,the russians have simply used iran to exact whatever they could from the west while fulfilling none of their obligations to iran,I would have thought that iran would have learnt its lesson by now

  195. Fiorangela says:

    Tyler Cullis analyzes Dubious Legality of Security Council Resolutions over at Dan Joyner’s Arms Control Law.b>

  196. Empty says:

    M. Ali and Sammy,

    As with the metaphorical elephant in a dark room, everyone with a blindfold “sees” and describes things only from a limited vantage point. The dark points in Japan’s history and its current servitude to the US does not mean that its positive points cannot be appreciated and used as lessons. People are given the blessings of “عقل” to pick and choose the “good” and reject the “bad”.

    So, we can reject the atrocities committed by the Japanese and their current “servant” state to the US AND we can appreciate how they are producing the least amount of pollution (e.g., the lowest carbon footprint in the world) and the highest life expectancy in the world with a population of about 128 million people concentrated in the area of 337,000 sq.km (one of the highest density in the world).

    انا جعلناکم شعوبا و قبائل؛ لتعارفو ان اکرمکم عندالله اتقیکم.
    Translation/interpretation: “Indeed we differentiated you into different branches and different tribes in order for you to become familiar/learn; indeed the better among you are those who are righteous/avoid corruption.”

  197. Sammy says:

    Empty says:
    January 29, 2014 at 12:08 am

    انا جعلناکم شعوبا و قبائل؛ لتعارفو ان اکرمکم عندالله اتقیکم’.
    Translation/interpretation: “Indeed we differentiated you into different branches and different tribes in order for you to become familiar/learn; indeed the better among you are those who are righteous/avoid corruption.”

    Thanks dear Empty , you hit the nail on the head and quoting from the Holy Koran tops it.
    The Japanese had a ‘special’ affiliation for Iran and we had some very good cooperation and JVs with them , like NATIONAL , TOSHIBA , PANASONIC , Iran-Japan Petrochemical Co. etc. .
    I am not in the details of what went wrong , but they withdrew from the Iran market almost from one day to another and my guess is that it was corruption related. As far as I know the Japanese paid 2 billion $ in cash to withdraw from the IRAN JAPAN Petrochemical Co. because of blatant corruption and left for good.
    There are signs that the Japanese are willing to re-enter the Iran market after decades and the visit of FM Kishida in Nov. 2013 to Tehran ( and before that the visit of Abe’s special envoy) is may be a good sign and I hope that we can free ourselves from the grip of the Western Mafia or at least have alternatives.
    On the other hand we see that Japan and Turkey enjoy excellent ties and in a way Japan replaced Iran with Turkey . There are huge ongoing common project between Japan and Turkey and the highlight was the mammoth task of a tunnel ( train and highway ) beneath the Bosporus built by the Japanese , a century old dream of the Turks , which was inaugurated by Abe and Erdogan 2 or 3 months ago.
    Why in God’s name did we ever enter a JV with Peugeot ( and not Toyota ) , didn’t we know what the French did to us with regards to Eurodiff ??
    Why don’t we ask the corrupt Germans for compensation for the Siemens/KWU NPP in Bushehr for which we paid around 8 billion DM , at least they should have the decency to compensate us like the Japanese did.
    Why do we talk with the Germans and the French anyway , knowing that with their technology Saddam killed and gassed tens of thousands of our brave soldiers and civilians ??
    I really do not get it and the only explanation I have is that the Westerners are again corrupting us and unfortunately those responsible in our government are repeating the old treasons all over again , for a handful dollars so to say.
    Coming back to the Japanese and Empty’s comment , from my own 30 years of experience with the Japanese they are the least corrupt people on earth judging from every possible angle and aspect and God likes them for this I guess.

    http://www.toyota.com/fuelcell/

    //http://www.toyota-global.com/showroom/toyota_design/concept_cars/gallery_i-road.html

  198. M. Ali says:

    I agree completely, Empty. I have no problem with that. I learn a thing or two from Germany, even though they produced Hitler and the Nazis (who by the way, were efficient and innovative, which we can use, and discard the killings). I can even learn from Russia, USA, and UK, even if they had destructive relationships with Iran in the last 100 years.

    I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is that Iran is a “mad city” or a “toxic city”, full of corruption, hypocrisy, liars, “cargo cults”, and everyone raping their daughters, but every other country is perfect, because they invented IBM and Nikon.

    This self-hating perspective has a very damaging effect on the Iranian mentality, specially the younger generations. Certain segments of Iranians take the 10% best thing about a country, and compare it to Iran, without talking about the bad things. When this comparison is done with 10 countries, only comparing the good things about that country, an Iranian with less knowledge of the world, will assume that everything about Iran is shit, and everything outside is excellent.

    Some people have repeated this so many times, that it has had strong effect on the way Iranians look at their own lives. When female employees come back from their six months parental leave, they complain that they suffer and wish it was like in the west, and didn’t have to come back after only six months paid leave. WHen I tell them very few countries are even CLOSE to six months paid leave, they are shocked into a state of disbelief.

    People look at Dubai and its tall buildings, but they don’t know that most expatriates (minus the westerns) couldn’t afford to live alone. I’ve not met many young Iranians (aside from students) who live with several roommates, but in Dubai, the Indians and Philipinos, and such, were packed ina small room like sardines. But why go far, take the young Iranians that were moving from Southern Iran to Dubai to work in the bazar under their uncles or such, after finishing work at 10:30 pm, they’d move to a small apartment near the bazaar, where usually 5-6 young Iranians would live together. Look at the Iranian classified, and you might be lucky to find just a few “looking for roommate” ads, which are for students, but in Dubai most ads were that, with even ads renting out “bed space”, which was just enough of a place to sleep on the ground.

    Instead of making fun of our car manufacturing industry, and how our Pride is not Mercedez Benz, why can’t we at least be proud that we are ahead of many other countries. We compare dubai’s tall building’s to ours, but we don’t compare our car industry and other manufacturing to them. We produced 35,000 cars in 1970, and over 1 million now. Sure, we’re “assembling” the parts, but shouldn’t it still be SOMETHING that many, many countries don’t even have that? I met with the guys from Saipa, and they told me that if the sanctions were not holding other countries from doing business with Iran, they could export Pride at USD 5,500 more than they could sell internally. Neighbouring countries have strong demand for a cheap car like Pride.

    The west has constantly blasted us with anti-Iranian PR, with the Iranian diaspora helping them with their satellite broadcasts, that many Iranians have believed them. When Iran sent a worm into space, they were “haha we sent a worm” instead of being proud of sending a live creature into space. When we sent a monkey, they were “oh we didn’t do it, it was the Russians who did it for us”.

    When Dubai won the bid for Expo 2020, the Iranians in Dubai were CELEBRATING IT, even if it was an Expo that no Iranian has even heard of before Dubai winning it, and when the only cities that were bidding for it were Izmir, Yekaterinburg, and São Paulo, but when we host more than a hundred country while heading NAM, what do Iranians do? The Iranians in Dubai would post on the wall in Facebook congratulating Dubai and even changing their profile picture to Expo 2020, but when we hosted NAM, none of them even took notice of it, or when we sent a monkey into space, it was used as a punchline to a joke.

    Worse than everything is, this is what angers me the most. The older and the middle aged men have cover the young Iranian’s eyes with a black shroud. Why is it that Australia’s highest illegal immigrants are Iranians? Are we in a civil war? Are our people more starved than Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, China, or Kenya? Or does a lower class Iranian, with enough time and knowledge and accessibility, be able to be exposed to the outside world, but doesn’t have enough outside world knowledge to distinguish Propaganda from Truth, and then takes the hand of his child and wife, resigns from his stable job, and spends around USD 5000 to go Indonesia, sit in a boat, go to Australia, where they are then sent to a camp in Papua New Guinea, having destroyed their lives?

    Sorry for ranting, but those outside Iran don’t know or don’t care how much damaging one-sided comparisons have on young Iranians, who have no world experience to compare it too.

  199. M. Ali says:

    “Coming back to the Japanese and Empty’s comment , from my own 30 years of experience with the Japanese they are the least corrupt people on earth judging from every possible angle and aspect and God likes them for this I guess.”

    So, is the Yakuza a myth?

    Bribery and extortion is not used by the Yakuza?

    “Most recently, Japan imposed tough penalties on Daiwa Securities and Nikko Securities for allegedly making payoffs. Both brokerages were temporarily banned from trading.

    Four executives at Mitsubishi Motors Corp. were arrested for alleged payoffs disguised as “rent” for a bogus vacation home.

    And in another well-publicized case, three top executives at Nomura Securities pleaded guilty in a scandal involving millions of dollars. Nomura paid a big fine and was banned from trading temporarily.”

    Sure, lets learn from Japan, but why do you insist on Japan being this pure, beautiful innocent child, while us Iranians are living in your “Toxic City”?

    “. In 1989, Susumu Ishii, the Oyabun of the Inagawa-kai (a well known yakuza group) bought US$255 million worth of Tokyo Kyuko Electric Railway’s stock.[20] Japan’s Securities and Exchange Surveillance Commission has knowledge of more than 50 listed companies with ties to organized crime, and in March 2008, the Osaka Securities Exchange decided to review all listed companies and expel those with yakuza ties.[”

    When it comes to Japan, its fine if their companies are linked to criminal organizations. But when it comes to Iran, if a company is linked to Sepah, then oh my god, everything is doom and gloom and Iran becomes the toilet of the world for its corrupt business practices.

  200. M. Ali says:

    And here is a few minutes of Google search about bribery related to the Japanese,

    “The first of the three cases in April 2011 involved the leading engineering company JGC Corporation and was part of a much larger investigation into bribes paid in connection with a gas plant in Bonny Island, Nigeria, by an international consortium with four partners. Previously, the three other companies in the consortium had been sentenced to substantial fines. These were KBR (US – US$579m), Technip (France – US$338m) and Snamprogetti (Italy – US$365m). JGC was the fourth member of the consortium: it was sentenced to a fine of US$218.8m and required to hire an independent consultant for two years to review the design and implementation of its compliance programme.

    In September 2011, Bridgestone Corporation was sentenced to a fine of US$28m on combined FCPA and anti-trust charges relating to the sale of marine hoses in Latin America. In 2008 Bridgestone executive Misao Hioki was sentenced to two years’ imprisonment for his role in the case.

    In January 2012, in a continuation of the Bonny Island case, Marubeni Corporation was ordered to pay a US$56.6m fine and obliged to hire a compliance consultant for two years. Marubeni reportedly had served as an intermediary passing on bribes to Nigerian officials on behalf of the four-company consortium. ”

    or

    “The OECD’s report on Japan’s anti-bribery efforts is deeply troubling. As economies climb the development ladder, the quality of their governance usually improves. Cleaner governance is necessary to realize a country’s development potential. And as societies become more prosperous and sophisticated, their populations insist on better governance.

    Japan’s anti-bribery problems are symptomatic of a country whose governance and society have not really modernized sufficiently in tandem with its economy. And ultimately this bad governance is holding back the country from realizing its potential. Japan has been stuck in a high-middle income trap for some two decades”

    or

    “Japanese trading company Marubeni Corp. said it agreed to pay $54.6 million to the U.S. government for its role in the bribery of Nigerian energy officials”

    or

    “Shigeru Echigo, an employee of Deutsche Securities, who has been suspended by the bank, and Yutaka Tsurisawa, a staff member at Mitsui Group Employees Pension Fund, were arrested on bribery allegations, the Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department said on Thursday.”

    or

    “On April 9, the Metropolitan Police Department arrested an employee of Kita Ward in central Tokyo, alleging the civil servant had received ¥5 million in cash in return for giving a construction company a tip on the bid price of a project to build a public school building.”

    or

    “Police said Wednesday they have arrested a veteran member of the Fukuoka Prefecture Police for allegedly taking money in return for leaking personal information and a former president of a credit research company for providing bribes for the information.”

  201. Sammy says:

    M. Ali says:
    January 29, 2014 at 4:02 am

    M.Ali , your absurd claim of widespread corruption in Japan is just ridiculous and only in Hollywood movies Jakuza are portrayed as ‘Mafiosi’ , in reality they are pursuing certain ‘businesses’ since hundreds of years following a strict code of honor and they would never interfere in the daily life of the population.

  202. M. Ali says:

    Would you say extortion, Sōkaiya, in Japan does not occur?

  203. M. Ali says:

    By the way, I’m NOT saying Japan is ALL evil. But this one-sided, biased look at other countries is damaging to Iran’s image, both internally and externally, and it has far-reaching impact on the psychic of the Iranian mind, specially the younger generation.

    If Japan didn’t have the Yakuza, but instead they were part of Iranian culture and daily life, how would you have reacted? How would you have portrayed Iranian culture? What would you have said about Iran?

  204. Sammy says:

    M. Ali says:
    January 29, 2014 at 8:08 am
    Would you say extortion, Sōkaiya, in Japan does not occur?

    A matter of the past , to be completely neglected in today’s Japan.

  205. M. Ali says:

    http://www.japantoday.com/category/opinions/view/yakuza-kind-hearted-criminals-or-monsters-in-suits

    The article is halfway positive about the Yakuza, but read the comments. Almost no comment is “what? The yakuza is a myth!” and almost all seem to find them a threat. So, people living Japan don’t like the Yakuza, but Iranians consider them a Hollywood myth?

    There is a stereotype of self-hating Jews, but I think sometimes that designation should now be handed over to Iranians.

  206. Sammy says:

    M. Ali says:
    January 29, 2014 at 8:29 am
    ‘By the way, I’m NOT saying Japan is ALL evil…

    And I am not saying that my own country is ALL evil , however Tehran or in my terminology ‘Mad Town/Toxic City’ is a lost city with almost no hope of recovery and one day we will all die of poisoning in this city.
    Do you remember when the toxic alarms started , I think it was 4 or 5 years ago and may be 1 or 2 days in the whole year. This number have increased to an average of 10 days per year now and will further increase if nothing is done and NOTHING is done !
    Now I do not compare Tehran to Munich , Montreux , Grenoble or alike , I compare Tehran of course to Tokyo among others , and a country which is 1/5th the area of Iran’s with similar pollution problems not a long time back.

    http://latitude.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/15/japans-pollution-diet/

    …Today, Japanese cities are among the world’s least polluted, according to the World Health Organization. Japan’s environmental record is hardly spotless, but the country rightly prides itself on blue skies, Prius taxis and mandatory recycling. What’s more, it managed to clean up without sacrificing growth by investing in pollution-control technologies and giving local governments leeway to tighten standards beyond national requirements….

  207. Sammy says:

    M. Ali says:
    January 29, 2014 at 8:44 am

    ‘The article is halfway positive about the Yakuza, but read the comments…

    Again M.Ali , Yakuza doesn’t play the slightest role in Japanese routine life ( business/private ) and I know what I am saying.
    Their main business is ‘Pachinko’ and other ‘traditional businesses’.
    This Yakuza thing is an invention of the Western mainstream to discredit Japan among other objectives , similar to the smear campaign and Iranophoby against Iran , don’t read much into it.
    Now that I mention this , did you hear about the news from the US treasury (OFAC) in December 2013 ?
    I laughed my a.. off when the news was published , our good old friend David Cohen going after the Yakuza :-)
    ( I am quite sure that they facilitated some payments of Iran’s blocked money in Japan and landed on the OFAC list , oh my…)

    http://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/Pages/jl2250.aspx

    ‘WASHINGTON – The U.S. Department of the Treasury today took action against four senior members of the Yamaguchi-gumi, the largest and most prominent Japanese Yakuza syndicate. Tadashi Irie, Hirofumi Hashimoto, Toshio Masaki, and Shoroku Ishida were designated pursuant to Executive Order (E.O.) 13581, which targets significant transnational criminal organizations (TCOs) and their supporters. These efforts are designed to protect the U.S. financial system from the malign influence of transnational criminal organizations and expose the individuals who are supporting or acting on behalf of the Yakuza….

  208. M. Ali says:

    You say “And I am not saying that my own country is ALL evil” but then when you say, ” is a lost city with almost no hope of recovery and one day we will all die of poisoning in this city.” To me, this is a exagerrated pessimistic view.

    The rate of change in Iran is mind-boggling. Iran is worlds apart from how it was 50 years back or 30 years back, or even 10 years back. Everything has changed and everything is changing.

    You act like Iran’s complexity with its air pollution is only faced by us, and it not being a challenge THE WHOLE WORLD IS FACING. Tehran’s air pollution issue has become a very important issue for Iranians, and it is being looked at very seriously. However, as I said, Iran has faced such rapid changes and with many internal and external complexities, (such as threat from outside, sanctions, economic difficulties, and insane growth) has caused difficulties in planning ahead.

    Tehran’s solution to the pollution problem isn’t easy. Everyone and their uncle has an idea on how to resolve pollution in Iran, and we Iranians have faced very drastic situtaions in the past, and while we sometimes don’t plan as perfectly as some countries, we always eventually resolve our problems.

    We have faced so many challenges in the past, and have been able to resolve them all, against ALL ODDS (the fact that IRI has survived with all the pressure, direct and indirect, is a miracle in itself), and I’m confident we will tackle the pollution problem.

  209. fyi says:

    M. Ali says:

    January 29, 2014 at 3:38 am

    I noticed that too; I recall a couple, both physicians, with their 2 sons who sought political refugee status in Italy.

    And then there was that hard woman who lived with her daughter in Moscow Airport for months until granted political asylum elsewhere.

    On the other hand, I know a very wealthy couple – religious – who often travel abroad with their children and then go back.

    Evidently, all stories are different….

  210. Sammy says:

    M. Ali says:
    January 29, 2014 at 9:28 am

    ‘We have faced so many challenges in the past, and have been able to resolve them all, against ALL ODDS (the fact that IRI has survived with all the pressure, direct and indirect, is a miracle in itself), and I’m confident we will tackle the pollution problem….

    And then I will stop calling Tehran , ‘Mad Town/Toxic City’ ….

  211. Karl.. says:

    Anyone heard the speech by obama? Quite obvious obama isnt looking for peace with Iran. Now the focus is hizballah not the nuclear issue…and so it will keep on going on forever until Iran is under US ‘control’.

  212. ordinary says:

    No kidding…

    Hundreds of Local Workers Laid Off at Laos Gold Mine.

    Lane Xang Minerals Limited Sepon is 90-percent owned by its Australia-based parent company, MMG Limited, with another 10 percent ownership held by the Lao government.

    …the government has learnt that Laos has collected unreasonably little from many mining projects it has previously granted concessions to investors.

    http://www.rfa.org/english/news/laos/gold-01282014150414.html

  213. Persian Gulf says:

    http://alef.ir/vdcc41qio2bqsi8.ala2.html?213289

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  214. Photi says:

    Karl.. says:
    January 29, 2014 at 11:10 am

    “Anyone heard the speech by obama? Quite obvious obama isnt looking for peace with Iran. Now the focus is hizballah not the nuclear issue…and so it will keep on going on forever until Iran is under US ‘control’.”

    Karl, maybe you are missing some of the nuances of the politics at play (maybe ToivoS and others can lend their analytical eyes).

    President Obama is making a distinction between the on-going negotiations with Iran regarding the nuclear file and the other list of grievances the US has towards Iranian influence and behavior. I think the President is saying ‘look, Congress people and my fellow Americans (and Iranians), the US has not capitulated on the issue of human rights with regards to Iran, has not capitulated on the issue of Hizbollah, has not capitulated on the issue of Israeli security. But neither has the US capitulated on US national security and so therefore we will pursue this deal with Iran despite not agreeing with Iran on other issues important to Americans and our allies.’

    Karl, if President Obama really wanted a war with Iran (which you assert), why is he spending so much political capital on pushing for these negotiations in American political life? Have you not seen the battle AIPAC is waging against the US President? Surely if Obama wanted a war but did not want to admit to it, all he would have to do is not act. We can say that Obama is maybe clearing the diplomatic path so that this future war against Iran will appear more legal, and perhaps this angle needs to be explored, but to me it is entirely believable the US national security state has determined that a war with Iran at this time is contra to American security, which is Obama’s main buttress against those whose interests are opposed to an improved US relationship with Iran.

  215. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Frank G. Wisner and Leslie H. Gelb clearly are unhappy that Obama is not willing to have the US intervene in the Syrian civil war, to force an overthrow of the Syrian government.

  216. James Canning says:

    Ordinary,

    MMG Ltd is owned by China Minmetals Corporation.

  217. Karl.. says:

    Photi

    Point is that after the nuclear issue, obama wont seek peace, he will then use hizballah, human rights etc until Iran is under control. Will in Iran in yor opinion accept that? If not, do you think US will accept it? No.

    This hailing of Obama that you do is very dangerous IMHO.

  218. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    Obama clearly wants to achieve a deal with Iran. Aipac wants to prevent it. And Aipac wants to block any improvement in america’s relations with Iran. To “benefit” Israel.

  219. Photi says:

    Karl, i am in favor of peace between the IRI and the USA. A comprehensive peace would surely be ideal, but i personally do not see that happening until the Israeli occupation of Palestine has ended, or rather when the occupation becomes the main ingredient to the comprehensive peace/security arrangements. I think a greater danger is ideological obduracy, whether American, Israeli, or Iranian. ‘The perfect is the enemy of the good.’

  220. Photi says:

    *when ending the occupation becomes the main…

  221. Karl.. says:

    Photi

    I agree with this, but how is it positive if Iran reach out its hand thinking they will gain something (temporary or permanent peace) when rather, more pressure will be added?

  222. Sammy says:

    http://news.yahoo.com/iran-eyes-asian-swiss-banks-sanctions-free-trade-194056435.html;_ylt=AwrBJR8ZZOlSzn4ALizQtDMD

    Tehran (AFP) – Iran wants to use Japanese, South Korean and Swiss banks to handle international trade exempted from Western sanctions under a landmark nuclear deal, a senior official said on Tuesday…

  223. Photi says:

    Karl.. says:
    January 29, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    Karl, Iran is on record saying they will accept whatever peace agreement that Palestinians agree to. Until we reach to that point (peace between Israel and Palestine), it is premature for the US to speak to Iran about Hizbollah. Hizbollah is a social and resistance movement which the US or Israel cannot wish away. Absorption of Hizbollah by the Lebanese state might be the eventual course, but not until an end to the Israeli occupation of Palestine, in addition to a comprehensive, regional peace agreement. For Israel to think it can just cause these resistance groups, which were brought into existence due to Israeli aggression, to disappear is yet another example unrealistic expectations of Zionist ideology.

  224. fyi says:

    Persian Gulf says:

    January 29, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    خوب برای همین است که باید ان اصل قانون اساسی که در مورد نهی از منکر باید به مرحله اجرا در بیاید

  225. Karl.. says:

    Photi

    Yes I agree but US isnt, they see that for peace to come Iran must stop its support. My main point was however that US will keep using this tactic until US gets it goal – a weakened Iran. Therefore one should ask what Iran gain by reaching out its hand like they do today if that move in the long run hurt them (atleast strategically) probably more than if they hadnt?

  226. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Sammy,

    The reason that the western/European companies are brought back is because they have a lobby in Iran- the Iranians who get commissions for being the companies reps in Iran.

    Japanese companies usually send their own staff as local managers. When they leave, nobody remains in Iran to want them to come back.

    In any case, maybe you should start a Japanese lobby in Iran to counter the western lobby.

    Only problem is that Japanese usually fold when US puts pressure on them concerning Iran.

    During the war they sold us A LOT of Toyota Land Cruisers despite US objections. They told the US that Land Cruisers are not military.

    Of course we used them for almost everything in battles- transport, mobile artillery, ambulances, mobile sleeping quarter, generators, etc.

    I wrote about how during Jenabe Rafsanjani’s admin we had to choose between Toyota or Peugeot. Guess who Mr. Western Lobby in Iran After the Revolution chose- of course with the help of some “fees”.

    The Japanese are not comfortable in fluid environments as Iran was during the war and post-war years. The European companies were more flexible and had their men in Iran working for them.

  227. Photi says:

    Karl, i am not aware that the US is looking to agree with Iran on those dynamics in order to secure a nuclear deal. Everything i have read has said the US is purposely avoiding discussing with Iran the subjects of Syria and the region generally so as not to scuttle the nuclear negotiations.

    If, at the end of these negotiations, Iran still has a civil nuclear program, and if they also see substantial relief in sanctions as a result of the negotiations, then wouldn’t this be the benefit to Iran you are seeking?

  228. Karl.. says:

    Photi

    I didnt talk about the nuclear deal I talked about whats coming after (that is if there is even a permanent nuclear deal made which is very very doubtful to begin with), that is more pressure from the US, not less, and so did Obama in his speech.

  229. kooshy says:

    Bibi this is for you and to shake the other Bibi in his pants , but overall it sounds like upon living Afpack the US regime has made the decision to publicly accept and release Iran’s nuclear facts that has been obvious for some time

    Report: Iran nuclear hurdles political, not technical
    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/report-iran-nuclear-hurdles-102805.html

    Is obvious that US is and had decided to leave Afpac for that she needs
    Iran for that part’s traditional security
    So is time to accept Iran has the mussel
    for it.

  230. Smith says:

    fyi,

    Regarding your question about building material.

    Bone Structure Building: Cheap, earthquake proof, energy efficient, long life and only 4 workers can build a house in just 4 days using standard factory fabricated Lego type parts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pygX-EpiQws

    The power of R&D in action. Not something that can be expected of people whose heads are filled with Kaah.

  231. Rehmat says:

    The latest report prepared by former US ambassador to Turkey Eric Edleman and former Barack Obama adviser Dennis Ross for the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), says that if Tehran fails to deliver what the United States want by the end of six month of the interim deal between P5+1 and Iran – Netanyahu should be allowed to decide what Washington should do.

    “The United States should move immediately to impose new sanctions and consider even tougher actions against Iran if no acceptable final is agreement is in place 180 days after the JPA’s formal implementation on January 20. At that time, the United States should do nothing that would impinge upon Israel’s ability to decide what actions it must take at that time, and indeed should support Israel if it takes military action,” says JINSA report.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/01/30/bibi-iran-six-weeks-away-from-making-nuclear-bomb/

  232. Photi says:

    Karl.. says:
    January 29, 2014 at 6:06 pm

    Karl, as i said earlier in a not so clear way, my opinion is that the President was trying to reassure Congress that US policy regarding these other areas has not changed.

    Did you note a change in US policy towards Hezbollah? I heard more of the same policy where the US chooses to ignore the groups or states it does not like.

  233. Karl.. says:

    Photi
    January 30, 2014 at 1:38 am

    “..Congress that US policy regarding these other areas has not changed. ”

    Yes? Nothing changed, US will keep on with its pressure on Iran.

  234. Photi says:

    karl, other than the comment about Hezbollah, everything else Obama said in his speech concerning Iran was in support of the president’s own nuclear negotiations. quite focused considering the range of issues he could have brought up. The takeaway for Iran might be to recognize the political will on the part of the US president to see these negotiations advance to the next step.

  235. Photi says:

    there is this from the Leveretts above which would caution against my optimism:

    “Of course, to say that Obama has put a lot of political capital on the line over the sanctions issue begs the question of whether he is really prepared to spend the far larger amounts of capital that will be required to close a final nuclear deal with Tehran. As Hillary points out, if Obama were “really trying to lead this country on a much more constructive, positive trajectory after failed wars and invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya—Libya entirely on President Obama’s watch—[he] would be doing a lot more, rather than just giving these lukewarm talks, basically trying to continue to kiss up to major pro-Israel constituencies, and then trying to bring in some of political favors” on Capitol Hill.”

  236. Sammy says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    January 29, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    BiB , when I speak with war veterans they even joke that the Toyota Lancruiser Pick-ups ‘ won ‘ the war against Iraq , a truly marvelous machine made for eternity.
    Regarding your suggestion of establishing a Japan Lobby , in deed I am trying my best , however it is very difficult , even the Japan embassy in Tehran is hardly able to support Iranian businessmen , you have to do everything on your own and this is a very difficult task( but I do not give up ).
    You might remember that Mitsubishi Bank was fined 1 billion USD !!! , because of facilitating some payments of Iran’s blocked money in Japan and the Japanese business community is extremely cautious and by nature Japanese businessmen are ultra-conservative , nothing compared to Westerners.
    When the Sadr elevated highway was built you surely remember thousands of heavy construction machines , they were all Japanese ( KOMATSU , TADANO , KATO etc.)
    When I investigated it turned out that an Indian Group in Dubai are buying those machines in Japan and reselling to Iran.
    It’s a pity that some of our corrupt politicians went for a loser company like Peugeot instead of Toyota and the Turks filled the gap.

    http://www.toyotatr.com/

  237. Karl.. says:

    Photi

    According to PressTv Iran criticized obama’s statements. I wouldnt call that obduracy. I guess they waited to see some a more positive/realistic message from obama.

  238. Sammy says:

    Sorry in my previous post I mentioned 1 billion $ which Mitsubishi was fined , it is ‘only’ 250 million $….

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5b09fb7e-d9b3-11e2-98fa-00144feab7de.html#axzz2rsTnbSVi

  239. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Sammy-jan,

    It would be good to work on a Japanese lobby in Iran to counter the western corporate lobby.

    As you said the problem are the Japanese themselves, not the Iranians.

    Assuming a subservient position towards America is bred into them after WWII.

    Japan is well regarded among most Iranians.

    The US basically cut the balls off the Japanese after WWII- an ox or gelding of very high quality if you like- high quality, but nevertheless castrated.

    We come back to a basic reality: very often, balls are the determining factor.

  240. fyi says:

    Sammy says:

    January 30, 2014 at 4:32 am

    Iran will not get anything out of that US satrapy.

  241. Fiorangela says:

    Unknown Unknowns, can you tell us more about <a href ="http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2013/11/is-new-revolution-quietly-brewing-in.html#&quot; Centre Zahra and the “quiet revolution” taking shape in France? Seems to radical bad boys, one from far left, the other from far right, are attempting “Equality and Reconciliation” among native French and Muslim immigrants, and Christians-Roman Catholics and Muslims. The elites feel threatened by the movement.

  242. Persian Gulf says:

    http://www.akharinnews.com/%D8%A2%D8%AE%D8%B1%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%A7%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1/item/51470-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D8%A2%D9%85%D8%AF-%D9%BE%D8%B2%D8%B4%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%8C-37-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B1-%D8%AF%D8%B1%D8%A2%D9%85%D8%AF-%D8%B3%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%87-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%A7%D9%86.html

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  243. Rehmat says:

    On January 29, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan arrived in Iran on a 2-day official visit to strengthen bilateral economic ties and ease tensions over the Syrian crisis. On Wednesday Erdogan held meeting with Iranian president Sheikh Hassan Rouhani and other governmental officials. Later he visited the official residence of country’s Spiritual Leader Ayatullah Sayed Ali Khamenei. Iran is “like a second home,” Erdogan told the Leader.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/01/30/erdogan-visits-khamenie-calls-iran-second-home/

  244. Smith says:

    What a cargo cult nation like Iran can never dream of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giwKh5oHq6Q

    The youth of a cargo cult nation are castrated. All they can do, is suck American dick.

  245. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    Explain how Iran would be “weakened” by making a deal with the P5+1.

  246. Sammy says:

    fyi says:
    January 30, 2014 at 9:44 am

    ‘Iran will not get anything out of that US satrapy.’

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3853864,00.html

    Report: Japan offers to enrich uranium for Iran
    Nikkei business daily reports proposal for Japan to enrich uranium for Tehran was floated in December, with US approval
    AFP
    Published: 02.24.10, 11:07 / Israel News

    fyi this was in Feb. 2010 and 13 months later we had the Fukushima ‘incident’ , go through the details you will be amazed.
    Why in God’s name should a Israeli security firm , Magna , be responsible for the security of a Japanese NPP , whereas Japan’s engineers are among the finest on the planet , just asking….

    //http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israeli-firm-which-secured-japan-nuclear-plant-says-workers-there-putting-their-lives-on-the-line-1.349897

  247. Sammy says:

    Also regarding Fukushima :

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/30/fukushima-sabotage-japanese-journalist-accuses-israel/

    …A leading Japanese journalist recently made two incredible claims about the Fukushima power plant that suffered a nuclear meltdown in March 2011, sending shockwaves around the world.

    First, the former editor of a national newspaper in Japan says the U.S. and Israel knew Fukushima had weapons-grade uranium and plutonium that were exposed to the atmosphere after a massive tsunami wave hit the reactor.

    Second, he contends that Israeli intelligence sabotaged the reactor in retaliation for Japan’s support of an independent Palestinian state.

    According to Yoishi Shimatsu, a former editor of Japan Times Weekly, these nuclear materials were shipped to the plant in 2007 on the orders of Dick Cheney and George W. Bush, with the connivance of Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

    The shipment was in the form of warhead cores secretly removed from the U.S. nuclear warheads facility BWXT Plantex near Amarillo, Texas….

  248. Rd. says:

    “Almost two years ago, Erdogan came to Iran and insisted on meeting [Ayatollah Ali] Khamenei to tell him that Iran’s bet on Assad would not yield any benefit. Back then, the leader told the Turkish guest, review your policies, your strategies, and come back. Assad won’t fall.”

    The Iranian supreme leader’s words were as clear as day. He was reported as saying that Iranian-Turkish relations are the best in centuries, and both countries have to seize the opportunity to solidify their relations. Erdogan, for his part, offered that when he visits Iran, it feels like a second home. Khamenei is known to be extremely selective in his choice of words.”

    Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/01/erdogan-iran-syria-shift.html#ixzz2ruurcehg

  249. Rd. says:

    Veteran US diplomat tackles Middle East ‘mess’

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/01/assistant-secretary-of-state-near-east-patterson-interview.html

    So the moral of the above story for that vertran diplomat (Ann Patterson) is, nothing will take place in Geneva II or III or what ever holly wood version. Note to ms patterson, review your politics 101, if you want real change you need and be on the right side of the Syrian crisis, then go to Tehran.

  250. Rd. says:

    Sammy says

    “Also regarding Fukushima :”

    looks like izis have their hands full….

    Fukushima and Israel’s nuclear programme

    http://journal-neo.org/2014/01/28/fukushima-and-israel-s-nuclear-programme/

  251. Fiorangela says:

    Highly esteemed Peter Jenkins reviews Gareth Porter’s band new book, Manufactured Crisis

    Jenkins notes the two major categories of Porter’s thesis:
    a. US has used faulty intelligence in its assessment of Iran’s nuclear program; and
    b. “A still more serious charge is that Israel has engaged in the forgery and fabrication of intelligence.”

    Jenkins quotes Porter’s summation:

    “Porter concludes: “US and Israeli policies have been driven by political and bureaucratic interests, not by a rational, objective assessment of available indicators of the motives and intentions of Iranian leaders”.

    Then Jenkins states his own conclusion:

    “One inference, though, from Manufactured Crisis looks inescapable. There has never been conclusive evidence that Iran’s Islamic leaders want to have or to use nuclear weapons. All talk of an “Iranian nuclear threat” is therefore premature. Consequently, the draconian measures implemented by the US and its allies to avert that threat are unreasonable and unwarranted.

  252. kooshy says:

    fyi says:
    January 30, 2014 at 9:44 am

    ‘Iran will not get anything out of that US satrapy.’

    FYI is correct Japan no longer possess sovereignty or self determination to pursue national interest if that exercise reduces US’s international hegemony and US’s tight control of Japan. Same is true for Germany and in similar end way for UK, France, Italy,Spain. This is not going to change any time soon. Who ever thinks Iran should become or try too be Italy, Spain, Japan has no clue of Iranian mentality, culture, propose and geopolitics of survival. All in all that is not too uncommon for biased expatriates.

  253. Fiorangela says:

    Hearing scheduled for Jan 30 2014

    “Task Force Recommendations

    Fukushima Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) commissioners testified on efforts to implement the Fukushima Near-Term Task Force recommendations. The task force, formed in reaction to the nuclear power plant failure after Japan’s 2011 9.0 magnitude earthquake and subsequent tsunami, released a series of recommendations on nuclear energy safeguards. They include requiring licensees to upgrade plants to protect against earthquakes or other natural disasters. Facilities must also have detailed emergency plans for long-term black outs at nuclear power plants.”