Is Obama Trying to Resolve or Prolong the Conflict in Syria?

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Suppose a great power declares that it supports a peace process aimed at finding a political solution to a terrible, ongoing conflict.  Then suppose that this great power makes such declarations after it has already proclaimed its strong interest in the defeat of one of the main parties to said conflict.  And then suppose that this great power insists on preconditions for a peace process—preconditions effectively boiling down to a demand for pre-emptive surrender by the party whose defeat the great power has already identified as its major goal—which render such a process impossible.  Is it not reasonable to conclude that the great power in question is (how to put this gently) lying about its purported support for peace?

That, in a nutshell, is the Obama administration’s posture toward the ongoing conflict in Syria.

Earlier this week, United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon began sending out invitations for the Geneva II conference on Syria scheduled for January 22.  And, as Ban’s spokesperson acknowledged, the Islamic Republic of Iran was not among the “first round” of nations asked to take part.

According to the spokesperson, invitations to the talks are subject to the approval—or veto—of the two “initiating states,” Russia and the United States.  The Islamic Republic has said repeatedly that it is prepared to attend and to contribute constructively to the search for a political settlement.  Of course, Russia supportsIran’s participation in Geneva II—as does China, Germany, Turkey, every other state seriously interested in resolving the conflict in Syria, and the United Nations itself.  (Ban’s spokesperson publicly stated this week, “The secretary-general is in favor of inviting Iran.”)

It is the United States—whose leader, President Obama has demanded for more than two years that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad relinquish his position—that is blocking Iranian participation in Geneva II.  And it is attempting to justify this position by continuing to insist on Assad’s pre-emptive surrender as part of the Geneva II agenda.  Moreover, Washington is couching its demand for Assad’s pre-emptive surrender in a shamelessly dishonest reading of the 2012 Geneva I communique, which is supposed to set the terms of reference for Geneva II.

On this last point, Secretary of State John Kerry earlier this week (before Ban started sending out invitations) reiterated the Obama administration’s opposition to Iran’s participation in Geneva II as a “ministerial partner.”  In the administration’s view, Iran can’t come to the meeting because it has not signed on to the Geneva I document—in particular, the passage positing that a “transitional governing body” for Syria “shall be formed on the basis of mutual consent” among “the present government and the opposition and other groups.”

Since Iran (at Washington’s insistence) was not invited to Geneva I, it is not clear exactly how or why Tehran should sign up to a communique it had no part in producing.  But the most shamelessly dishonest aspect of the Obama administration’s posturing on the matter is its insistence that Iran accept the administration’s warped reading of the passage from Geneva I just cited, which Team Obama (including Kerry) interprets as a requirement that Assad leave office and play no future political role—whether as part of a transitional government or as Syria’s first president elected after a settlement is negotiated.

We suspect that Assad would, in all likelihood, win another national mandate—even in the “free and fair multi-party elections” envisioned in Geneva I.  But Washington doesn’t want Syrians to have the chance to make that choice.  And so Washington continues to block Iranian participation in Geneva II—save perhaps, as Kerry pompously suggested earlier this week, “from the sidelines” (a proposition that Iran has roundly rejected).

What is so appallingly arrogant about the Obama administration’s position is that it was explicitly rejected at Geneva I.  Then-UN envoy Kofi Annan’s draft communique originally contained U.S.-backed language barring figures from the  conflict resolution process whose participation would block creation of a national unity government—language that the United States, Britain, and France crafted to exclude Assad.  Russia and China insisted that this language be removed from the final communique.  But the Obama administration has disingenuously continued asserting that the language in Geneva I bans Assad from any future political role—even though it is as clear as day that Geneva I, as actually adopted, does not do any such thing.

Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov are supposed to discuss the question of Iranian participation in Geneva II on January 13.  Let’s see if the Obama administration can actually decide that it wants to resolve the conflict in Syria, rather than prolonging it further.

–Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett

 

300 Responses to “Is Obama Trying to Resolve or Prolong the Conflict in Syria?”

  1. Smith says:

    Repeat: Dr Akbar Etemad on Iran’s nuclear deal and why there will be no permanent nuclear deal possible, plus the importance of british piss over Iran’s scientific research: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWeMicREEOI

  2. kooshy says:

    Bottom line the point I was trying to make is, that the US need of Iran is for her declining strategic position in Iran’s region, Iran’s need of US is primarily economic, this two are not in balance they can be conveniently/tactically accommodative, but the imbalance is that if Iran strategically aligned or accommodates the US, she will decrease her strategic security with regard to her Sunni neighbors. This problem is not easy to overcome. To overcome this problem US will need to change her posture/ plans for the Arab region, that is also impossible to overcome.

  3. Smith says:

    Nasser says:
    January 10, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    Welcome back. That is so true. In today’s world, with the so called “international law” written to solely benefit the white man, only nuclear deterrence insures the sovereignty of a nation.

  4. Smith says:

    “And then suppose that this great power insists on preconditions for a peace process—preconditions effectively boiling down to a demand for pre-emptive surrender by the party whose defeat the great power has already identified as its major goal—which render such a process impossible.”

    It is natural for the mad king to do such crimes.

    Decades ago, US teamed up with Saudis and armed wahabi thugs and trained them to fight in Afghanistan of 1980’s with the demand that Soviets leave Afghanistan. When the Soviets left, US then changed its demand to “President Najeebullah must leave”. So US armed more thugs and supported more terrorists and removed the guy from power using terror and effectively pushing Afghanistan into a brutal civil war which lasted a decade, the outcome of which came out in the form of taliban, alqadia, 9/11, consequent invasions etc etc.

    It is nothing new. US has nothing to offer in Syria. That state has now one solution, war and war and its outcome is going to be decided on the battlefield. One can hope the house negros who helped the mad king in this mass slaughter, namely Turkey and Jordan will be destabilized in the same manner that the house negro Pakistan has become destabilized by acting on the mad king’s perversions.

  5. Don Bacon says:

    Is Obama Trying to Resolve or Prolong the Conflict in Syria?

    Obama principally is trying to get his domestic poll numbers up, which necessarily includes appearing tough on Iran and its allies, along with friendship for their enemies. In that regard, resolving the conflict is of no importance. Obama’s actions on Afghanistan has been instructive in that regard.

    American citizens, the people who can raise Obama’s poll numbers, have been carefully propagandized to hate Iran and its ally Syria. So Obama will pander to them. It’s all governed by focus groups and polling. That’s the way it works. It’s an election year, also.

    That doesn’t bode well for Syria, nor for any further agreement with Iran on anything, for that matter. It does mean that the US will experience a further decline in its ‘world leadership.’ But again, that’s secondary to the personal politics needs of the president. All politics is local, as Tip O’Neill famously said.

  6. Sakineh Bagoom says:

    Is Obama Trying to Resolve or Prolong the Conflict in Syria?

    Thanks for asking the question Leveretts.
    For as long as US and the UK poodle are providing “non lethal aid” to the Salafi canibals, the answer is a certain NO.
    This also begs the question of weather the nuclear deal, a part of which, should be resolution of other issues — eg grrand bargain — is afoot and will hold with the senate bill now having 58 co-sponsors.

  7. nico says:

    Smith says:
    January 10, 2014 at 3:43 pm

    Could you provide in short the substance of the Dr Etemad interview for non farsi speakers ?
    Thanks.

  8. Sakineh Bagoom says:

    should read – whether – and – grand bargain

  9. kooshy says:

    “Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov are supposed to discuss the question of Iranian participation in Geneva II on January 13. Let’s see if the Obama administration can actually decide that it wants to resolve the conflict in Syria, rather than prolonging it further.”

    Frankly my dear Levretts

    This is too much to ask/expect from this American regime which over time has lost all and every credibility she ever had among all and any of her friends and foes.

    Your patriotic nationalistic thoughts are justified and credible, but considering current reality your expectations are not.

  10. James Canning says:

    Iran obviously should be part of the effort to find a negotiated end to the civil war in Syria. Even if Aipac objects.

  11. James Canning says:

    “Secretary Kerry has proposed a role for the Iranians in negotiations over Syria – – even as Iranian forces and proxies are busy battering what is left of that country.”
    Fouad Ajami, in the Wall Street Journal Jan 10th (“Obama and the Suni-Shiite war”)

  12. Smith says:

    As per Islam, charging interest is equal to declaring war on God and His prophet. It is a straight forward thing. The fiat paper money has no place in Islam. It is killing industrial production in Iran and encouraging dallal bazi.

    The banking system of Islamic Republic of Iran has become a savage capitalist system (much much much much much more savage than USA/EU): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVrbAQ69gkU

    Since no modern economic theory has come out of Islam, it is safer to go towards an energy based currency and banking system eg. one kilowatt electricity equal becomes the smallest monetary unit.

  13. Smith says:

    As is clear, it is much much and much easier to get a cheap and low interest loan, plus government grants and public support in USA or in Germany for a high technology start up industrial company than in Iran.

    It is not US economy that is sick. It is the Iranian economy that is sick. And very sick to put it mildly.

  14. Smith says:

    “Could you provide in short the substance of the Dr Etemad interview for non farsi speakers ?”

    The SUBSTANCE in short:

    Dr Akbar Etemad ex-chairman of Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization>>

    Because of the super corruption of a few rapists in Iran and the subsequent effect of sanctions due to the fertile ground made by these super corrupt hypocrite rapists, Iran had no choice but accept the Geneva.

    Too much was given up for very little (nothing) in return.

    Hope that after six months atleast some of the sanctions are removed but not optimistic that Iran is going to get that hope. The west will not give Iran anything and will make new excuses.

    Under the current conditions forced on Iran by Geneva, Iran’s nuclear program can not go on as before and Iran needs to rethink the direction of its nuclear program.

    Nasser Nobari ex-ambassador of Iran to Russia >>>

    Iran was tricked in Geneva. Nothing was achieved. Basically Iran surrendered and West won.

  15. James Canning says:

    Smith,

    Tell me what Iran “gave up” at Geneva. Zero value, surely.

  16. Smith says:

    A view point on Iran from Pakistan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVODQzdZkT0

  17. Karl.. says:

    A proof that US isnt seeking peace with Iran. Obama hasnt done a thing to get closer to Iran at all for a deal.

  18. Hans says:

    Nothing will happen, while Sochi 2014 is not ended. As soon as the games are finished expect Russia, Iran to up the ante against the rats. Russia will hunt and kill most of nit’s terrorist citizens.I think AIPAC is pushing it’s luck, the first defeat for the Zionists will come in France, then it will be a chain reaction.

  19. paul says:

    Obama’s volte-face from the verge of (potentially) WW3 — via his Syria standoff with Russia — to what now appears to be a global surge of ‘peacemaking’, however insincere or ill-intentioned (Obama’s notion of peacemaking apparently amounts to demanding surrender), now begins to take on the stature of a world historical event. It has been astounding, truly astounding, to watch the cat flip in midair, after his epic Syria ‘fail’, and land on his feet, having suddenly returned to his initial branding as a peacemaker, the branding that ‘earned’ him a Nobel Peace Prize before he even entered office (which amounted to a virtual acknowledgement by the Nobel Committee itself that the prize is a farce, but that’s another story). Those who want peace must recognize that Obama’s motives appear to be entirely cynical, as always, and that peace itself, with justice, depends on a rising global will that comes from the grassroots. Do not trust your leaders to do the right thing, people. Left to their own de-vices, they will not. We must make it politically impossible for them not to do the right thing.

    What I saw on the grassroots level that I am able to discern where I live was that the Syria war gambit was finally opening the eyes of Obama’s ‘progressive’ and left supporters. Anyone who knows the American political scene knows, I think, that a progressive challenge to the Democratic party establishment is almost unthinkable. The Dems have been able to count on it for decades that the liberal left will support them no matter what they do, because ‘progressives’ feel they have no choice, and because they care more about hating the right wing than they do about the actual policies of the Dems. But Obama’s Syria war gambit was so heinous, so egregious, that even the progressive left was beginning to stir fitfully. Obama has probably the best ear to the ground that we have seen in American Politics in our lifetimes. He seems to have picked up on this stirring, hence his breathtaking volte face.

    But as this article by Leverettes points out, Obama’s idea of peace for Syria appears to be Assad’s surrender. We have already seen, based on the crazily one-sided preliminary deal with Iran, that Obama’s idea of peace with Iran is basically for Iran to surrender. We are seeing the same mentality in Palestine, where even the Vichy regime in Ramallah is having trouble swallowing the abject surrender being crammed down its throat by Kerry and Netanyahu.

    Lennon’s words have never been more true. We can have peace if we want it, and with justice too, but only if we demand it, together. It’s never been more important for us to raise our voices, and keep them raised.

  20. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    SL’s speech

    http://english.khamenei.ir//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1857

    “They think that because they imposed sanctions on Iran, it was forced to come to the negotiating table. But this was not the case. Before they said such things, we had announced that the Islamic Republic would negotiate – whenever it thinks it is expedient – with this Satan on specific issues in order to eradicate its evil deeds and solve the problems. This does not mean that the Iranian nation has become desperate. This has never been the case.

    One of the blessings of the recent negotiations was that the enmity of the Americans and the officials of the government of the United States of America towards Iran and the Iranians, and towards Islam and Muslims became clear to everyone. Everyone realized this. Whenever they fail to take any action, they say, “We cannot”. They are right. They really cannot. They say, “If we could, we would disintegrate the nuclear industry of Iran, but we cannot”. Of course, they cannot. Why can they not do this? It is because our people decided to stand on their own feet and show resistance on this issue and on all other issues. They decided to bring their innovation to the arena and they did it. Therefore, the enemy cannot do anything. This is true on all issues.

    Their enmity and incapability has become clear and they are desperately trying to do this and that in the present time. Their political personalities, their newspapers and their political parties are showing their personal and old grudges, as they have shown it over the last 30 years with different words and statements. The issue of human rights, the issue of Islam and the issue of our commitment to religious principles are issues which they always complain about. Everyone has the right to speak about human rights except for the Americans because they have been the greatest violators of human rights not only in the past, but also in the present time.”

  21. BiBiJon says:

    “lying” or dysfunction?
    =====================

    Previously I’d likened the US as Gulliver, tied down by little people. The leverage that various power centers have over the US is mind boggling. The Chinese with economic, Saudis with oil, Russians with nukes, Israelis with political interference, etc. The crucial thing to understand is that nowadays every Tom, Dick, and Abdullah INSISTS on a hefty price for their continued alliance with the US.

    It would be indelicate to use a Donald Rumsfeldian term like “old Europe,” or make allusions to PNAC’s “clean break.” This is after all the Leverett’s site.

    However, the debacle of Syria may be mainly due to Obama’s unwillingness to make a “clean break” from old allies, domestic or foreign.

    Increasingly I think straddling the line will be untenable, and the odds are better than even that Obama will make a clean break. Question is will he break with old allies, or will he break with rationality?

  22. BiBiJon says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    January 11, 2014 at 7:25 am

    Sl’s speech is not portrayed in MSM as an answer to Obama at the Saban Center. Just a reminder what Obama said:

    If I had an option, if we could create an option in which Iran eliminated every single nut and bolt of their nuclear program, and foreswore the possibility of ever having a nuclear program, and, for that matter, got rid of all its military capabilities, I would take it.

    And how SL answered:

    Whenever they fail to take any action, they say, “We cannot”. They are right. They really cannot. They say, “If we could, we would disintegrate the nuclear industry of Iran, but we cannot”.

  23. Fiorangela says:

    Turkey in turmoil —

    “Whilst no one should underestimate PM Erdogan’s sheer, brutal pugilism and ruthlessness to stay in power, the AKP undoubtedly has entered upon a serious crisis. Underlying this unfolding scandal – which ostensibly is about allegations of cabinet corruption, official ‘cover-up’, and political interference with the work of prosecutors and the police investigating these claims of corruption – is a bitter rift that has opened up between PM Erdogan and Fethullah Gulen. (Gulen’s Sufi-orientated social and educational network has a wide popular base, but also has penetrated deep inside the Turkish system. It some ways, it resembles a masonic network of allied individuals, working towards a common cause. Gullen’s ability to mobilise at a popular level was – and is – quite crucial to the AKP’s ability to keep power). The gathering storm in the relations between the Islamic currents represented by Gulen and the Ikhwani and Conservative wings of the governing coalition burst with the earlier stories (aired in the US and Israel against the Intelligence chief Hakan Fidan) to the effect that he had betrayed an Israeli spy ring to the Iranians. Fidan is a very close confidant to Erdogan – and the latter, suspecting that the stories had been planted by Gulen in order to weaken him (Erdogan), immediately launched a purge of officials suspected of being Gulenist sympathisers. –

    http://www.conflictsforum.org/2014/conflicts-forums-weekly-comment-20-%e2%80%93-27-december-2013/#sthash.m0T0ScWy.dpuf

  24. Don Bacon says:

    Obama got where he is, despite his rhetoric, by accepting the neoliberal philosophy and doing what the Important People want. Obama is incapable of suddenly changing and making a clean break with everything he has done. He lacks the capability and courage to do so, even if he thought of it.

    As I commented above, Obama is now captive to the propagandized citizenry that the government/media have created. The US in that respect still has semblances of democracy. So there can be no change on his part.

    To use a Nixon-era metaphor, Obama is twisting slowly in the wind.

  25. Smith says:

    White man is building more nuclear weapons and delivery systems in order to threaten Iran with destruction: http://www.mintpressnews.com/washington-leading-the-way-in-the-new-nuclear-arms-race/176698/

    Washington Leading The Way In The New Nuclear Arms Race: Plans call for five nuclear submarines, 72 bombers and 240 land-based missile systems to be built from 2024 to 2029.

  26. nico says:

    Don Bacon says:
    January 11, 2014 at 9:46 am

    “Obama got where he is, despite his rhetoric, by accepting the neoliberal philosophy and doing what the Important People want. Obama is incapable of suddenly changing and making a clean break with everything he has done. He lacks the capability and courage to do so, even if he thought of it.”

    Correct.
    The issue is that Obama power is based upon the Oligarchy against the majority of US citizen interests.
    Politicians to break free from the oligarchy need to be PRINCIPLED and sustained by the popular power and need to be POPULIST.

    That turn of event was only possible at the beginning of his first presidential 4 years.
    However, Obama proved to be a disapointment from the very start.
    Playing on words.
    Taking Canning like sophistic stances.
    Continuing the Bush era policy on ALL grounds.

    Obama is not honest.
    He is a little man, a failure when his destiny and what was expected were much different.
    And again a disapointment while much was expected from a Black president in term of PRINCIPLES.

  27. nico says:

    Smith,

    Thanks for the Dr Etemad interview translatio,.

  28. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    You clearly do not compre3hend that Obama wanted to improve America’s relations with Iran, when he entered the White House in 2009. Iran helped to wreck Obama’s plans in this regard. Key word: helped.

  29. James Canning says:

    In the Financial Times today, Ed Luce reviews Robert Gates’ new book. And notes that Gates says the US Congress works with the Pentagon to defraud the American taxpayers.
    (Unecessary weapons etc etc etc)

  30. James Canning says:

    Smith,

    Yes, and according to Robert Gates, many of these useless weapons are the product of collusion between the Pentagon and the US Congress.

  31. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    Time after time, you claimed Obama would not accept any Iranian enrichment of uranium. Correct? Now that Obama has made clear he will accept Iranian enrichment to low levels, you claim he has done “nothing”.

  32. James Canning says:

    New York Times reports today that the US offered to accept Iran’s attendance at the Syrian peace talks, without Iran’s acceptance of American demand that Assad agree to give up power. But there was a condition or two, and attendance by Iran would have been of a limited nature.

  33. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    (from previous thread) Gorbachev’s special envoy to Saddam Hussein (in late 1990s) would not have said Saddam was a stubborn fool to bring about the destruction of his own army, if Primakov thought the Iraqi army would have been destroyed by the US even if Saddam had pulled out of Kuwait. One must assume Gorbachev had an understanding with George H W Bush, that Saddam could pull out of Kuwait and avoid destruction of his army.

  34. Karl.. says:

    Obama havent understand one thing obviously when he exclude Iran like that from the syrian talks. Although after all the final goal for Obama after Syria is Iran, a deal if ever made, will only make Iran weaker and weaker which is just the goal..

  35. kooshy says:

    This from Cyrus’s blog The Iran affair, please visit the blog when you can

    “Iran living standards before and after the 1979 Islamic Revolution”

    “According to UNDP calculations, between the years 1980 and 2012,
    Iran’s HDI value increased by 67 per cent – or at an average annual
    increase of about 1.6 per cent. During the same period, for other
    countries in the High Human Development group (the group containing
    Iran), the average annual gain was only about half of what Iran managed –
    0.73 per cent. For all countries on the planet, the average gain was
    even less – only 0.69 per cent. This means that Iran’s annual growth in
    its HDI was over double the global average. Simultaneously, this would
    imply that – from a human development standpoint – during the period
    1980-2012, Iran’s policy interventions were both significant and
    appropriate to produce improvements in human development.”

  36. Smith says:

    http://clinicalcynicism.blogspot.ca/2014/01/al-qaeda-natos-timeless-tool.html

    “The discovery of links connecting Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and Al- Qaeda is upsetting Turkish politics. Ankara not only actively supported terrorism in Syria, but did so as part of a NATO strategy. For Thierry Meyssan, the case also shows the artificiality of armed groups fighting against the government and the Syrian people…..

    The investigation also shows that the Turkish financing of Al- Qaeda used an Iranian company both to act undercover in Syria and to conduct terrorist operations in Iran. NATO already had accomplices in Tehran during the “Iran-Contra” operation in former President Rafsandaji’s inner circles, such as Sheikh Rohani, who has become the current president. …”

  37. BiBiJon says:

    kooshy says:
    January 11, 2014 at 7:18 pm

    Link http://www.undp.org/content/iran/en/home/countryinfo/

    “The Human Development Index – or HDI – is a summary measure for assessing long-term progress in three basic dimensions of human development. These are long and healthy life, access to knowledge, and a decent standard of living.”

    Iran worked very closely with UNDP, welcomed their advice, and implemented many of their suggestions for how to measure government policy effectiveness.

    Eric Brill at one time was questioning if there was any point in Iran remaining at the UN. In an attempt an answer I had said wherever the yazid chooses to do battle, Husein will not abandon the field.

  38. kooshy says:

    It’s fine to love football, baseball. And Apple pie,and rock and roll there is Nothing wrong with that, what is wrong is trying to export that to gain hegemony on world affairs, this is what no longer is accepted and needs to be stopped.
    America and Americans need to understand and one to term with how world can will accept them.

  39. M. Ali says:

    So Ariel Sharon dies, and Tehran Stock Market goes sharply down after months of upward growth. There is something delicously funny about coincidences.

  40. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    The website from which Smith posts is ironically financed by a corrupt Aghazadeh and the things it writes about the event in question are not factual.

    The gist of it is that the person is a popular madaa whom the young folks come in droves to listen to his azaadaris.

    As Imam said the foundation of the revolution is azaadari for Imam Hussein (a.s.), thus gotta discredit the messenger. Nothing new.

    The facts of the event are this: He was chased off the highway by a number of cars while his family were sitting in the car with him.

    When the cars stopped on the side of the road, people got out of their cars and began threatening him. He got out and fired a warning shot in the air from a gun he is licensed to carry. When the threats didn’t stop he fired a shot into the tires of one of the cars.

    Interestingly, a greenie site and said Aghazadeh site were running this story within 5 minutes of the event.

    All of this is in Moharram-Safar the peak of azadaari calendar.

    Nothing suspicious here…not at all.

    And then closet-case reposting it here.

    So we can conclude

    1. That those who harp on about taqwa and not insulting are the worst offenders themselves.

    2. If you are going to insult- which in certain cases is allowed Islamically- get your facts right.

    Now back to what really matters.

    Apparently Rohani wants to attend Davos and this confirms my view that it’s all about keeping Iran within western corporate hegemony- with the Hashemi-Sazandegi western lobby in Iran as the principle monetary beneficiary in Iran of this matter.

    Our old corrupt friend Jenabe Karbaschi also announced that Sazandegi will be running a separate list in Tehran for the next parliamentary elections.

    Can’t let an independent and strong Iran have strategic relations with BRICS at the loss of western corporations- even if it’s a relative loss.

    What’s really funny is that the same corrupt Aghazadehha- like the one that finances the site that closet-case quotes from- would benefit from Iranian deals with BRICS.

    Including the new mega-super-duper-outta-this-world-deal of the century with Russia.

    Looks like they did that to keep the Russians and people like us happy while the real deal is somewhere else.

    Just watch Adeli and Sariolghalam and Moussavian and Zarif- all of the beaming with joy- sitting next to Rohani in the Swiss Alps- thinking about how much they are going take out of their Swiss bank accounts while there.

  41. fyi says:

    All:

    Routine crime prevention gone barking mad in America: let’s criminalize everything and nothing, and hope for the best. [‘ZT’ or Zero Tolerance does not apply to crass cretinism, apparently, known as ‘CC’, or, to some up: “Are you kidding me, or do you have a PhD in CC?”.]

    Two boys at South Eastern Middle School in Fawn Grove, Pa., had a several-second exchange: one boy “aimed” his binder at the other and “shot” him with it. In response, the other boy, named as Johnny Jones, 10, held up his pencil as an arrow and drew it back in an imaginary bow. A girl saw the totally silent exchange and reported it to a teacher, who delivered a “lecture” about their “disruption.” Principal John Horton then suspended the boys, citing the schools zero tolerance weapons policy. Horton told Jones’ mother that her son’s “threat” was a “serious offense.”

    The Jones family has engaged an attorney and is considering legal action against the school if it does not rescind the suspension.

    “If it goes on his record as a weapons violation, it will follow him for the rest of his life,” said John Whitehead, who has agreed to represent the boy. “In some cases I’ve seen, the kids have trouble getting into college.” Whitehead says the school’s ZT policy deals with actual guns and “replica” weapons, but does not mention “imaginary” weapons. (RC/New York Daily News, ABC News) …

    Unfortunately, while the district’s rules require teachers and principals to have credentials, they don’t prohibit “imaginary” versions.

  42. fyi says:

    All:

    And in UK:

    A Scottish man who attempted to have sex with a train drinks cart while drunk and high has been sentenced to 100 hours of community service in Perth Sheriff Court in Scotland.

    Andrew Davidson was reportedly under the influence of a drugs and alcohol when he began aggressively flirting with female passengers and the operator of an on-board drinks cart during an afternoon ScotRail train ride in July, according to the Scotsman.

    Davidson approached the railway employee and tried to kiss her. After the employee broke free and ran off the train, however, Davidson turned his amorous eye onto less animate subjects.

    He then approached the unattended trolley and started rubbing himself against the trolley,” official Jim Eodanable told the court, according to the Scotsman.

    Alarmed passengers on the train noted that Davidson also appeared to be talking to the cart, shouting “I want to kiss you, I want to f*** you” as he humped it, Metro reports.

    The 25-year-old Davidson later said he had no memory of the incident but wrote the court a letter expressing remorse for his actions.

    His lawyer, Grant Bruce, asked for leniency in the case, noting that the incident was completely out of character for his client, who he argued was on a “legal high,” according to STV News.

    Of course, Davidson is not the only one ever caught attempting coitus with an object. In fact, this summer, 47-year-old Gerard Streator pleaded guilty to having sex with a couch on the side of a road in Wisconsin.

  43. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    January 12, 2014 at 10:25 am

    Paranoia caused by being scared of fear itself. They are now afraid of their own children. What a pity.

  44. Don Bacon says:

    It’s necessary to read the “Nuclear Weapon Free Iran Act of 2013” to understand how radical and terrible it is.

    excerpts:

    (1) The Government of Iran continues to expand the nuclear and missile programs of Iran in
    3 violation of multiple United Nations Security Council resolutions.
    (2) The Government of Iran has a decades-long
    track record of violating commitments regarding the
    nuclear program of Iran and has used diplomatic negotiations as a subterfuge to advance its nuclear
    weapons program.
    (3) Iran remains the world’s foremost state
    sponsor of terrorism, having directed, supported,
    and financed acts of terrorism against the United
    States and its allies that have resulted in the thousands of deaths, including the deaths of United
    States citizens and members of the Armed Forces of
    the United States. . .

    The President may suspend the application of sanctions imposed under this Act or amendments made by this Act for a 180-day period . . .–Following the 180-day period described in paragraph (1), the President may renew a suspension of sanctions under that paragraph for 2 additional periods of not more than 30 days . . .

    the President may suspend the application of sanctions imposed under this Act or amendments made by this Act for a one-year period if the
    President certifies to the appropriate congressional committees that the United States and its allies have reached a final and verifiable agreement or arrangement with Iran that will–
    (A) dismantle Iran’s illicit nuclear infrastructure, including enrichment and reprocessing capabilities and facilities,

    http://tinyurl.com/k242ruv (pdf)

  45. fyi says:

    Don Bacon says:

    January 12, 2014 at 10:32 am

    Iranians could only hope for such an excellent piece of legislation to become Law in the United States.

    Its passage is in the national interest of Iran – and God Willing – it will pass with a comfortable and veto-proof majority.

  46. Don Bacon says:

    On a lighter note, a photo of the recently constructed Commercially Important Person (CIP) terminal building at Imam Khomeini International Airport. (h/t Uskowi on Iran)
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fvq4gVsk72s/UtIX9wSVJUI/AAAAAAAAJk4/NIh3PBUct7k/s500/cip2.png

    I don’t see any foot traffic but I suspect that will change.

  47. Don Bacon says:

    fyi says:
    January 12, 2014 at 10:43 am

    I tend to agree with you, in the sense that it would be more terrible for the US than for Iran.

  48. Don Bacon says:

    There are many aspects, often discussed here, about Iran’s regional and world strength that the US senators don’t ‘get’ and one of them is that while the US complains about Iran presence in Syria it overlooks Iran in Afghanistan. As the US military gets forced out of Afghanistan this year, Iran will probably fill much of the vacuum in its resource-rich neighbor which is also a link, along with Iran, between the Arabian Sea and Central Asia.

    from 2009:
    The sad state of U.S.-Iran relations over Iraq, Israel, terrorism, and the nuclear weapons program makes it easy to overlook Iran’s contribution to Afghan state building. By one estimate, Tehran has contributed half a billion dollars in humanitarian assistance since 2001. More importantly, Iran has a vested interest in a stable, well-governed Afghanistan-an interest that it has protected since the fall of the Taliban.
    http://www.cfr.org/iran/harnessing-irans-role-afghanistan/p19562

  49. fyi says:

    Don Bacon says:

    January 12, 2014 at 11:09 am

    Iranians have carved out what they had wanted (or could) in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

    Now they need to consolidate their gains.

    Cooperation with US is contingent on US dropping her opposition to Iran’s nuclear program within NPT.

    That cooperation is not forthcoming and will not since Iran and US have opposing views on the disposition of Palestine that cannot be reconciled.

    While Iranians would be willing to accept a cease-fire deal such as the 99-year one proposed by HAMAS, US is not – US leaders and polity are in (unrequited) Love with Israel.

    [2 weeks ago, US officials were in Berlin trying to brow-beat Germans into giving more WWII-related art works to Jews; unbelievable.]

  50. Karl.. says:

    How does this new congress resolution any different from countless of other resolutions against Iran by the congress?

  51. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Russia and China also apparently are not willing to accept an Iranian nuclear programme along the lines you want.

  52. Jay says:

    fyi says:
    January 12, 2014 at 10:43 am

    I have seen various advocacy emails from NIAC asking people to write their representatives to oppose this proposed legislation.

    My advice to NIAC is: rather than oppose the legislation you should ask your members to strongly support the legislation! Such a move will be seen in three separate context – all of which will be helpful to Iran.

    1) In the context of Iranians, it will be made clear that the only way to relative peace inside Iran is through strength – defensive, economic, political,… and other forms of strength

    2) the context of BRICS, NAM, etc., the nature of the Western goals will be further clarified – that accommodation with the current Western regimes is only temporary [as if it needed clarification!]

    3) In the context of Europeans, the facade of Iran the “big bad neighbor” will become harder to maintain – at least in the short term

    Yes, please, tell your representative to move forward and please tell them why – because it would be great for Iran, and bad for the US.

  53. James Canning says:

    Smith,

    It is NOT Nato strategy to give support to al-qaeda in Syria. The notion is ludicrous.

  54. Don Bacon says:

    Previously there was no requirement for Iran to dismantle its nuclear program in order to remove sanctions. The sanctions could be ended when the President certified to Congress that—
    –“the Government of Iran has ceased providing support for acts of international terrorism and no longer satisfies the requirements for designation as a state sponsor of terrorism.”
    –“Iran has ceased the pursuit, acquisition, and development of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons and ballistic missiles and ballistic missile launch technology.”

    The sanctions were also aimless punishment on Iran for “for continuing human rights abuses, persecution of minorities, and forcible restrictions on political freedom.” Also for the alleged plot to assassinate the Saudi Ambassador. –Hillary Clinton

    And because they talk funny and eat strange food. /s

  55. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    Obama was willing to have Iran attend the Syrian peace talks, but not as a front-line participant.

  56. James Canning says:

    Interim nuclear deal will take effect Jan 20. (P5+1 and Iran)

  57. Don Bacon says:

    On US/NATO support for al-Qaeda:

    1. The US/NATO strongly supports and partners Saudi Arabia, which is the main support for AQ.

    2. The CIA has been providing arms and training for years to Syria rebels, and it is well documented that the so-called “moderate” rebels ally with AQ and AQ has taken their weapons.

    3. The US has supported Islamic radicals for years, including Afghanistan Bosnia and Libya. The instability brought by all radicals serves US political purposes, and so most countries between India and the Med, Afghanistan to Lebanon, are targets for US instability efforts.

    4. The overthrow of the Syria government is of prime importance to the US because Syria is an ally of Iran and a conduit of aid to Hezbollah, Israel’s Lebanon nemesis, and that consideration trumps all others.

  58. Richard Steven Hack says:

    It’s very simple – until Obama can figure out how to go to war with Syria, he needs the conflict to continue.

    Meanwhile, the effort to undermine the deal with Iran is bearing fruit…

    Support for Iran sanctions bill nears filibuster-proof majority
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/support-for-iran-sanctions-bill-nears-filibuster-proof-majority/2014/01/10/33efdaee-7a2c-11e3-af7f-13bf0e9965f6_story.html

  59. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Jenabe Marashi (Rafsanjani’s brother-in-law):

    “Will be offering election list as part of reformist coalition/We wanted to get rid of Ahmadinejad and we did!”

    The interesting point is of course that Ahmadinejad was ineligible to run for a third term- so what does that last statement mean?

    http://farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13921022001325

  60. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Reformist will have united list for next majlis elections and it will include Kargozaran candidates.

    http://farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13921022001233

  61. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Former Khatami chief of staff:

    Have to change majlis next elections

    http://farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13921022001264

  62. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    For Farsi readers: Analysis of why anti-government websites and satellite TV stations are focusing on said famous madaa in a coordinated way at this time.

    wwwdot598dotir (won’t let me post link)

  63. nico says:

    Richard Steven Hack says:
    “It’s very simple – until Obama can figure out how to go to war with Syria, he needs the conflict to continue.”

    This assertion is simply ridiculous.
    Russia vetoed the Western direct military intervention both at the UNSC and by deterring such intervention with its fleet.
    Only the current insurgency is possible. No more.
    And the insurgency is being slaughtered.
    End of story.

  64. Karl.. says:

    nico

    Obama was about to bomb Syria regardless of UNSC in august.
    Russia cant be trusted (on Syria, Iran issues).

  65. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    Russia helped to arrange matters so that Obama no longer felt obliged to attack Syria, in retaliation for Aug 21 CW event. Russian ships were in the area for purposes of evacuating persinnel et al.

  66. James Canning says:

    Don Bacon,

    Al-Qaeda wants to overthrow the Saudi monarchy. Full stop. You seem to like to overlook this fact.

    One can of course argue that Saudi and Qatari support for insurgents in Syria has been irresponsible, and even catastrophic.

  67. James Canning says:

    Don Bacon,

    Obama and his generals did not want the US to intervene in Libya. You tend to overlook this fact.

  68. nico says:

    Karl.. says:
    “Obama was about to bomb Syria regardless of UNSC in august.”

    Mmmmh.
    Did you ever heard that might makes right ?
    Did you ever noticed that UNSC permanent memember are all nuclear armed.
    Well let me help you to understand : when a UNSC permanent member veto a redolution then the end of the unsaid sentence is “otherwise…”.

    “Russia cant be trusted (on Syria, Iran issues).”
    Who said the opposite ?
    Anyway it seems the US had nothing of value to offer to Russia as a trade off then.
    Why would you imagine the US will have something of value to offer in the future ?

    James Canning says:
    “Russia helped to arrange matters so that Obama no longer felt obliged to attack Syria”
    Ahah.
    You are free to have your own interpretation of the events.
    Mine is that the US have been serously deterred and that the CW story was only a nice back door face saving stunt for the US to fold back.

    Thruth be said I think my interpretation is more realitic than your pussy cat story.

  69. Karl.. says:

    nico

    Sorry I dont understand what you mean with your reply?

  70. fyi says:

    Don Bacon says:

    January 12, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    In fact, the destruction of the Mr. Assad’s government has been the necessary prerequisite for future US attack on Iran – as mentioned several times by Mr. Richard Steven Hack.

    Mr. Obama, it seems, has finally grasped that US was toying with launching World War III. His statement today reads:

    “I have no illusions about how hard it will be to achieve this objective, but for the sake of our national security and the peace and security of the world, now is the time to give diplomacy a chance to succeed,”

    Unfortunately, the overthrow of the monarch of Al Saud will not bring anything better – it would be bring something 10 times worse than what currently obtains in Libya.

    You have to understand that Arab people – excepting those living in Mesopotamia and in the Levant – have not shared the same historical experience that Turks, Kurds, Iranians, Armenians, Russians, Georgians, Central Asians, Afghans, Punjabis and many others have shared.

    History (or its currents) passed them by: the Ghaznavids, the Mongols, the Tartars, the British Empire, the Ottomans left no mark on them since they inhabited a geography that insulated them against it.

    Before the Prophet, Arabs fought one another, during the time of the Prophet, they rode with him against enemies of Islam, and after the Prophet died, they went back on fighting one another.

    Let us see how Axis Powers will organize these people into a functioning representative systems – something that would surpass Iran and Turkey.

  71. nico says:

    Karl.. says:
    “Sorry I dont understand what you mean with your reply?”

    You said
    “Obama was about to bomb Syria regardless of UNSC in august.”

    Russia vetoed or aborted resolutions at the UNSC authorizing military intervention in Syria by a foreign country.
    The US did not take that seriously
    As a result Russia sent its fleet and deterred the US with a direct conflict with them
    The permanent UNSC have a veto power at the UNSC because they have the military power to make their veto respected by others.
    And nuclear weapons are the ultimate means when Powers enter in military threat.
    As a consequence there is zero chance for a non nuclear state to ever be included in the club of the permanent veto welding UNSC powers.

    Clear enough ?

  72. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    The Russian ships sent to Syria were there to carry out any necessary evacuations.

    We are fortunate the Russians helped lead the way toward getting rid of all Syrian CW.

  73. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    Obama was not eager to hit Syria with crusie missiles, but he felt the need to respond to the use of CW on Aug 21st. My understanding is that he was concerned Iran would assume his warnings not to build nukes were just hot air, if he did not punish Syria for the CW event. (Leaving aside issue of who used the CW)

    Russian ships were not a factor.

  74. Smith says:

    United States of America has allowed Iranians to receive the first “installment” of 550 million dollars from their own over 120 billion dollars cash which is frozen outside of Iran: http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/389280/iran-to-get-first-550-mn-of-blocked-funds-in-february

    (Thanks to far thinking Central Bank of Iran that kept all this money outside of Iran while Iran was under serious and fatal threats- Imagine if some one had the intelligence of a holoo or even a piaz, to cash this money and bring it in physical format or convert to gold and bring it physically into Iran before the sanctions- There is a reason Russia holds the largest amount of US 100 dollar bills in the world- But silly me, in a country run by super corrupt people you can imagine the millions upon millions of dollars that are made by tens of thousands of “officials” in kick back commissions from foreign banks that “safe-keep” Iran’s money outside of Iran- Sill me.)

    By the say it amounts to about 7 dollars per person in Iran. That is right 7 dollars per Iranian per month. That is the price. Rather shameful. Insulting. But this is what the corrupt and the rapists and their cronies have brought to Iran. Enjoy your 7 dollars. You corrupt mofos.

  75. Don Bacon says:

    fyi says:
    January 12, 2014 at 5:30 pm
    In fact, the destruction of the Mr. Assad’s government has been the necessary prerequisite for future US attack on Iran

    The condition of Syria’s government is completely irrelevant to any (foolish) decision to attack Iran. The two states are not adjacent, for one thing.

    The US has fruitlessly attempted to take advantage of events in Syria, and tried to destroy its government, because of Syria’s support of Hezbollah next door in Lebanon. Various US congressmen have made that quite clear.

    So we return to the central question of Obama’s intentions for Syria, and they are not to end the conflict but to prolong it for domestic political reasons. It’s the same for every country the US is involved in, although specifics differ of course.

  76. Don Bacon says:

    James Canning says:
    January 12, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    Don Bacon, Obama and his generals did not want the US to intervene in Libya. You tend to overlook this fact.

    I don’t want to drink that second glass of wine, but I tend to overlook the fact that I drink it anyhow.

    So what? People ought to be judged on their performance, not their alleged desires. That’s called reality avoidance.

  77. Sineva says:

    Don Bacon says:
    January 12, 2014 at 10:40 pm
    Well said,tho` I remember telling james exactly this on more than one occasion,but I guess thats just him “reading between the lines” as usual

  78. M. Ali says:

    Shut the fuck up, Smith.

  79. M. Ali says:

    Always complaining and whining, and pointing fingers at everyone. The west is bad, the east is bad, the Iranians are bad, everyone is a rapist, everyone is constantly stealing and raping their mother, except gentle Smith and his bear, FYI.

    What have YOU done for Iran?

  80. nico says:

    James Canning says:

    “The Russian ships sent to Syria were there to carry out any necessary evacuations.”

    Blablabla.

    Do you mean like in Lybia….. no ?
    And you know how it ended in Lybia.

  81. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    “Obama was not eager to hit Syria with crusie missiles, but he felt the need to respond to the use of CW on Aug 21st.”

    Blablabla.

    That is rich for a country which uses or allows its allies to use war crime weapons.
    For a country with the biggest stockpile of such weapons in contravention with the treaties it signed.
    Like depleted uranium, tactical nukes, white phosphorus and CW.

    The US lost the kind of soft power which allowed them to feed such crap to gullible audience long ago.
    However it seems you are still shamefully asleep.

  82. Karl.. says:

    nico

    But again, Obama was about to attack regardless of what UNSC (including Russia) thought about it.

  83. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Excellent interview with MJ Larijani (in Farsi).

    http://farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13921014000155

  84. Empty says:

    Testing…

  85. fyi says:

    M. Ali says:

    January 13, 2014 at 2:38 am

    Mr. Smith is not completely wrong.

    Around the first decade of the last century, in parts of Africa, the Europeans would show movies at night. Europeans would be sitting inside the cordon and the Africans, outside.

    When a European locked eyes with an African, male of female, that African would follow that European to his/her place for the European’s sexual pleasure.

    In Southern Africa, the Dutch, while travelling in the countryside, were often offered young African women in the hope that they could be impregnated by the superior Europeans.

    Around the same time, in Yokohama, there was a street called “Street of Joy” where Japanese females as young as 12 were available for largely the Euro-American clientele of sailors etc. The going rate was 2.5 yen for a session and 5 yen for the night – with breakfast always included.

    I suppose that was a sort of primitive capital accumulation through prostitution.

    Later, it was Korea that was turned into a house of prostitution for American GIs as well as Japanese businessmen who were going to Korea for “playing golf.”

    Today, Thailand is still doing the same thing, with entire cities devoted to prostitution – supplied largely by rural girls.

    In India, the poor Indian women are presently are pressed into renting their wombs as surrogate mothers for to the Euro-Americans.

    The Weak are stepped on Mr. M. Ali and not amount of appeal to God is going to cause him to turn their fortunes around.

  86. kooshy says:

    BiBi
    As suspected apparently last Friday 1.5 billion deal was to pressure US accepting and implementing the Geneva agreement

    “Russia and China threatened to ignore the sanctions and to thereby enable Iran to continue its nuclear program without limits while reviving its economy. The threat was issued via a Reuters “exclusive” on Friday afternoon:”
    http://www.moonofalabama.org/

  87. BiBiJon says:

    “the western powers are desperate for a deal.”
    ========================================

    Why, you ask. Jon Snow’s answer:

    [Because] “the West’s war in Afghanistan has staggered to an unedifying stalemate or worse; Pakistan has become all but ungovernable; Iraq has fallen apart; Syria is on fire and doubts about Saudi intentions in the region have deepened.”

    http://blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/iran-nuclear-deal-overture/23253

  88. BiBiJon says:

    A tail that can’t shake off the fleas, wags the dog?
    ================================================

    So much for the Airab countries being scared stiff of Iran.

    First we get the stories of Oman facilitating Iran-US dialogue, then we get Oman nix the (P)GCC military union, now we get:

    His Highness Shaikh Mohammad Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Vice-President and Prime Minister of the UAE and Ruler of Dubai, was definite in his support for ending sanctions on Iran and using the on-going talks on Iran’s nuclear programme to start a new chapter in relations based on transparency. “Iran is our neighbour and we don’t want any problems … lift the sanctions and everyone will benefit … I think that they’re telling the truth when they say [it is] just for civilian power,” Shaikh Mohammad told the BBC in a wide-ranging interview yesterday.

    From http://gulfnews.com/opinions/editorials/mohammad-s-view-bolsters-uae-stand-1.1277027

    King Abdullah to Prince Bandar: heck of job Bandaid!

    Just asking, how seriously should the US take KSA on anything she promises, asserts, demands, or commands.

  89. Smith says:

    83% of Iranian experts believe that wealth accumulation in Iran is done by rent and cronyism: http://www.tabnak.ir/fa/news/371316/%D8%AB%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%AA%D9%85%D9%86%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%AE%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%81-%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%86%D8%AF-%DB%8C%D8%A7-%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%B1%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%86-%DA%86%D9%86%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%AA%D8%B5%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%85%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%DA%A9%D9%86%D9%86%D8%AF-%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%AF%D8%A6%D9%88

    As I have always said. No production. Only corruption, rape, drawing pistols in the middle of a highway and shooting cars in order to terrorize women and children and torture by mofo rapists. These mofos, then claim, German economy is in trouble. Fix your house mofo. Forget about Germany.

  90. Smith says:

    Finally Sandoz/Novartis of Switzerland gives some tablets to Iran, so that Iranians do not die due to lack of medicine: http://www.tabnak.ir/fa/news/371082/%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%AF-2-%D9%82%D9%84%D9%85-%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%88%DB%8C-%DA%A9%D9%85%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%A8-%D8%A8%D9%87-%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%87-%D9%87%D8%A7

    Will ever the cargo cult, corrupt nation of Iran be able to make its own medicines? I am only for their own need, I am not even talking about exporting medicines to all corners of the earth. Will they?

  91. Smith says:

    Look at this idiot: http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13921023001346

    The whole world is hard thinking how to move away from American communication companies and networks after the Snowden debacle and these idiots want to push Iran into it. Every single thing he does on his FB, is monitored. His whores names, his dirty talks with his concubines, his dealing with super corrupt rapists in bazar, etc etc.

    Instead of moving Iran towards the direction of having its own equivalent of FB, Twitter, Email, Youtube, Search engine etc etc, these guys want to make Iran into a nation under the most surveillance by US. Oh, wait a minute, Iran is already under the most surveillance by US as per Snowden. Stupid mofos. They just can lock out 120 billion dollars of Iranian nation in foreign banks for their kickback commissions. But they will not spend 3 billion dollars to buy half a million computer servers and a million internet switches, in order to develop their own internet services.

    There is a reason why China and Russia have developed their own equivalent services to western internet services. So that their countries remain safe and secured. With Arab Spring and Iran’s own experience of 88 Sedition/Color revolution, one had hoped that these mofos have learned their lesson. But it appears the mofos are working in the opposite direction. They can not think and can not produce anything. They can just a semi-automatic hand gun in the middle of the city, shooting randomly at people and terrorizing women. This is their reality.

  92. Smith says:

    The super corruption by the rapists in Iran: http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13921023000272

    No wonder Iranian economy is nowhere near Germany’s. In Germany the rich people work hard and provide almost all the employment to their nation, producing high quality technology products. In, Iran, it is all corruption to the core. From Bazar to Bank. It is all a long trail of super corruption.

  93. Smith says:

    Tales of corruption, nepotism, rape and inefficiency: http://www.etemaad.ir/Released/92-10-23/133.htm

    These problems are not going to be solved by sucking American/French/British phalli.

  94. Smith says:

    Russian equivalent to American FaceBook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VK_(social_network)

    Imagine if Iran had spent half a billion dollar from that 120 billion dollar they have locked out in corrupt foreign banks to create an equivalent to FaceBook. But then the super corrupt would not have had their kickback commissions from the foreign banks for keeping baitul-mal in banks of pork eating, interest charging, whore using banking executive in far east and Europe.

  95. Smith says:

    The Chinese equivalent to Twitter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sina_Weibo

    Are Chinese mad? Why they are not using the American facebook and twitter to do their daily communication, business and even forbidden love? Has this anything to do with being insecure and be blackmailed later on by American government?

    Corrupt Iranian officials think not. They trust America with their lives and with the security of their nation.

  96. Ataune says:

    @Smith,
    Your obstinate diatribes are becoming more and more noxious. Could you please refrain from the commentaries and just send the links, preferably all in the same reply. Thank you.

  97. fyi says:

    Smith says:

    January 13, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    Germans were not asleep at the wheel for 800 years.

    800 years of willful unthinking and emotionalism cannot be overcome within 34 years of the nationalistic rule of the Islamic Republic.

    The attitude has to change; this guy who works for civil defense organization goes to this office and the official tells him: “All of this is useless. Americans have bombs that would thwart all your efforts…”

    In other words, the standard answer is to do nothing…..

    We have to wait for all such people to die and with them their culture of complacency and lassitude.

  98. Smith says:

    “Your obstinate diatribes are becoming more and more noxious. Could you please refrain from the commentaries and just send the links, preferably all in the same reply. Thank you.”

    Unfortunately, these are the truth. And this language was not brought by me in this forum. I learned it from other people here. And it is good actually. It shakes up the corrupt and wakes people up. A taste of their own medicine.

    On commentaries, I am using my right. You are not obliged to read them if you do not want. Keep asleep.

  99. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    January 13, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    That is true. Another of their fall back strategies aside from their long sleep and do nothing attitude, is their lies. Whenever they are confronted with problems, a series of non-ending lies come out to justify the problem.

    A nation of cargo cult followers. They can not even make API’s for their own medicines. Not even the most essential pediatric ones.

  100. Ataune says:

    @Smith
    I truly like sharp and divergent opinions based on intelligence. But yours are no opinion at all. They are just a public listing of your frustrations about what you believe Iranian “can’t do”. I believe most of the people here try to present their opinion in a rational way. You can send the same links by trying to comment on them intelligently and politely. Doing otherwise display your lack of respect not only for others in this forum, but also for yourself.

  101. Smith says:

    “You can send the same links by trying to comment on them intelligently and politely.”

    I used to. But then the super corrupt, rapist, liar and stupid cargo cult priests were using this language to attack my intelligent comments (unlike your non-opinions). I learned from them that to talk to super corrupt mofos, it is better to talk in their language.

    And you are wrong. Mr. FYI provides the most intelligent opinions here (I have not read anything intelligent from you for instance). And as I said, you are not obliged to read my posts. Why do you? Go back to your sleep and use your American facebook.

  102. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    The US has spent years destroying its stocks of CW.

    And Obama was not eager to hit Syria with cruise missiles. But he would have done so, absent the deal to get rid of Syria’s CW.

  103. Ataune says:

    @Smith
    I have 2 kids, 10 and 12 years old, whenever I ask the 10 years old why he left the empty chocolate box on the living room table and didn’t throw it to the trash, he replys my sister is doing the same thing.

    And yes, Mr FYI, unlike you, has a polite tongue. At least try to learn from the only one that you respect in this forum.

  104. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    Obama was not keen to attack Gaddafi’s forces in Libya.

  105. James Canning says:

    Don Bacon,

    You clearly are not aware of efforts by France and Britain to limit defence costs by using same equipment etc etc etc. This factor played a role in Cameron’s backing of Sarkozy’s wish to attack Gaddafi’s forces in Libya. And Cameron played the key role in obtaining Obama’s agreement for the US to support the Anglo-French attack on Libya.

    Knowledge of the facts is what is important, in this instance. No need to “read between the lines”.

  106. Smith says:

    “I have 2 kids, 10 and 12 years old, whenever I ask the 10 years old why he left the empty chocolate box on the living room table and didn’t throw it to the trash, he replys my sister is doing the same thing.”

    Exactly, unintelligent. As expected from you and your ilk. In order to solve your situation at home, you have to make your 10 year old BELIEVE (not by beating him or shaming him) that the community (your family) he is living in, is secured enough so that his effort to do something is useful and appreciated. Apparently, he does not believe that his surrounding community is just and rewarding to his initiative and adherence to discipline (that you want to impose). The fault is yours since you as the leader of that community have failed to convince your boy that you are just. You have failed to lead. The same thing is happening in Iran. Take this example:
    http://www.asriran.com/fa/news/314727/%D8%AF%D8%B1%D8%B3-%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%B7%D9%84%D8%A7%DB%8C%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%AC%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D9%85%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%AD-%D8%AA%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B2

    A man of “connections” draws a pistol and shoots at people on the road, terrorizing women and children. The corrupt mofos, instead of executing the same punishment on this man of lies and hypocrisy, as they would on any other man in the society, start to condone his actions by lies, and shamelessly blame his victims.

    And I was always polite here. It was when I was threatened with violence, torture and rape and subjected to the obscene language that I took it up as defensive measure. I am not a coward that some corrupt mofo shows up and terrorize my woman and I give “rezayat”. I would do the same to him.

    And I urge you to go back to sleep. Do not read my posts since they are of awakening nature and can be quite painful as they are loaded with truth.

  107. James Canning says:

    David Gardner of the Financial Times today has some trenchant comments on the career of Ariel Sharon: “A clever tactician who was too clever by half”. (ft.com)

  108. Sammy says:

    ‘Ataune says:
    January 13, 2014 at 1:48 pm’

    Smith is definitely rude , however sometimes I tend to agree with him.
    Especially Tehran is more and more becoming a ‘Mad Town’ and the people are incredibly unrespectful to each other . The traffic in Tehran would be a great sujet for Fellini or Tarantino.
    I have a new expression for Tehran , which I call ‘Toxic City’ until further notice :-(

  109. Ataune says:

    Believe me my kids are really good kids. I just thought your replies sounded exactly like the ones of a 10 year old: I’m doing it since the others are doing it too. Now try to be respectful to others please. emulate the ones that you respect not the ones that you don’t. It will help everyone, but mostly your own personality.

  110. Ataune says:

    @Sammy
    “Smith is definitely rude , however sometimes I tend to agree with him.”

    These are 2 different topics: Yes, knowledge is based on facts and debate; but publicly listing his frustrations to others while commenting them with a series of curses and bad-mouthings is in the order of childish acts.

    I’m just trying to awaken this kid.

  111. Smith says:

    Sammy says:
    January 13, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    Sometimes rudeness is necessary. During military training, they start by being harsh. Trying to pamper an unruly boy drafted to train, can spoil things. We have not yet reached the German or even Japanese cultural level of being able to learn without the element of rudeness.

    Tehran has lots of problems. The economic harshness has pushed people to become bitarbiat and adam-khor. But it is also partly due to people either becoming outright cultureless, lawless atheists or of high grade hypocrites. Such people do not see themselves to be bound by any worldly or out-of-this-worldly laws. But it can even get worse.

    Traffic in Tehran is due to tarakom foroshi and the people of Iran themselves who do not follow the traffic laws (some even have started to draw pistols to solve traffic problems). Its only solution is for Iran to transfer the capital out of Tehran and to a purpose built city. If much poorer Pakistan could do it in 1960’s, Iran should be able to do it now as well.

    The major part of pollution problem can be solved if a law is made that all Iranian cars produced/imported should have catalytic converters and all the cars that are on the streets should be added catalytic converters in a period of say 3 years. Then invest a couple of hundred million dollars in R&D and production facilities for catalytic converters. But I have heard, it has not much benefit for the corrupt so it is not being done.

  112. Ataune says:

    You see Smith, your last comment is much better, you didn’t have any personal attack in it. I think my leadership kind of worked… at least temporarily

  113. Smith says:

    “Believe me my kids are really good kids. I just thought your replies sounded exactly like the ones of a 10 year old: I’m doing it since the others are doing it too. Now try to be respectful to others please. emulate the ones that you respect not the ones that you don’t. It will help everyone, but mostly your own personality.”

    Again, you are unintelligent and extremely frustrated. You see, all kids are good. We do not have bad kids. We only have bad adults and parents. The adults who abuse their children and can not lead them to be good adults. The parents who fail to lead by personal example, logic and cultural/religious/mythology notions should not expect their kids to behave has saints. Now, I am not your kid, and I am much more intelligent than you will ever be. But I wanted to teach you so that you can teach your child. Trying to impose will only lead to your child’s sense of confidence, righteousness and curiosity to die.

    But then it seems to be useless to talk to you and people like you, since you are brain dead and you do not seem to be wanting to learn. You have switched off your brains. Being polite in language is a two way street. I certainly would not offer my other cheek. I would slap back twice harder and many times over.

    As I said, my comments are loaded with truth and intelligent analysis. Reading them needs courage which if you do not have, then do not read my comments.

  114. fyi says:

    Sammy says:

    January 13, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    Tehranis can always spot an expat. Iranian; he is the fellow driving a car who wears his seat belt and stops when women and children are crossing the street.

  115. Ataune says:

    ah ah ah… switching back again, just be careful.

    But seriously, doesn’t look like you have any kids, since you couldn’t have talked about issues like that so lightly and pompously. Maybe that’s one of the reasons you are acting like such a prat and spoiled child…

  116. fyi says:

    Smith says:

    January 13, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    Americans, I think, have been the most successful people in dealing with rural to urban migration without resorting to such measures as were used in USSR and in the People’s Republic of China.

    Iran does not have enough water to move the capital city – decades of draught have made it even more difficult.

    Outside of the Euro-American heartland there are many analogues of Tehran: Mexico City, Seoul, Tokyo, Peking, Shanghai, Karachi, Bombay, New Delhi, Calcutta, Nairobi, Lagos, Istanbul, and Cairo.

    These are cities that grew without any plan (or where one existed, without any enforcement of the plan) and it will take decades, perhaps centuries, the enhance the quality of life there.

    In the meantime, look at the bright side: there is a life of the Arts and a life of the Mind simultaneously in many of these cities.

  117. Sammy says:

    ‘Smith says:
    January 13, 2014 at 2:45 pm’

    Good points , you understood Tehran’s problems quite well.

    ‘Re:We have not yet reached the German or even Japanese cultural level of being able to learn without the element of rudeness.’

    It happens that I know both countries very well.
    Japan can never be compared with Germany.
    Japanese are exceptional people , the jewel of the crown of God Almighty’s creation , not from this planet .
    Germans are average and only successful because they are the one-eyed in the land of the blind.

  118. fyi says:

    Sammy says:

    January 13, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    They are very civilized – no doubt.

    But they live in Jahilya.

  119. Sammy says:

    ‘fyi says:
    January 13, 2014 at 3:13 pm’

    ‘Tehranis can always spot an expat. Iranian; he is the fellow driving a car who wears his seat belt and stops when women and children are crossing the street.’

    I stop every time , but they ( women and children , elderly people etc. ) stop too , as no one expects such a ‘weird’ behavior , thus I have almost given up….

  120. Sammy says:

    fyi says:
    January 13, 2014 at 3:28 pm
    Sammy says:
    January 13, 2014 at 3:26 pm
    They are very civilized – no doubt.
    But they live in Jahilya.

    May be ; the other day I was listening to Dr. Rahimpour Azghadi when he was in Tokyo ( I think it was in 1386 ) and it was one of the rare times that I disagreed with him , when he was describing the Japanese people as ‘average’.
    In my opinion every Iranian in a leading position should be forced to visit Japan , currently we have only 200 Iranian students in whole of Japan and I am afraid more than half of them will not return.

  121. fyi says:

    Sammy says:

    January 13, 2014 at 3:44 pm

    Some things are analogous – “omiaie”/”Khwastegari”….

  122. Sammy says:

    fyi says:
    January 13, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    ‘Some things are analogous – “omiaie”/”Khwastegari”….’

    I am not quite sure what you mean….

  123. fyi says:

    Sammy says:

    January 13, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    The Japanese custom of “o-mi-ya-e” reminded me of Khwastegrai in Iran.

  124. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    January 13, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    Yes, that is pretty much it. Though I do not think drought is going to be a problem for relocation of the capital city. Iran’s domestic water usage is well above world average and rivals those countries with lots of water, and at any rate over 95% of Iran’s water usage is in agriculture (with old inefficient techniques). Domestic water consumption is only a fraction of Iran’s total water consumption. So another city would not put much burden.

    Every day a couple of million people travel from other cities to Tehran in the morning and travel back to their cities in the evening. Just because it is the capital and every kind of administrative power is concentrated there. It is really crazy. Iran’s national security would become even stronger if capital city moves out of Tehran to another small (in population), purpose built city with low concentration of people and buildings.

  125. BiBiJon says:

    And you thought just Takfiris were fractured?
    ==========================================

    From http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/you-need-to-go-to-geneva-opposition-source-reveals-threat-made-by-britain-and-us-over-syria-peace-talks-9057247.html

    Britain and the US have threatened to withdraw support from the Syrian rebels unless they attend forthcoming peace talks, a senior member of the opposition to Bashar al-Assad’s regime has claimed.

    The official revealed that there were divisions among the international backers of the opposition. While London and Washington issue ultimatums, France, Turkey and Saudi Arabia have pledged solidarity whether or not the regime’s opponents attend the negotiations scheduled for next week in Geneva.

  126. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    January 13, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    Well, this is quite normal behavior for the mad king. This will go on, until the time that Iran is nuclear armed and Iran’s nuke tipped missiles are pointed at his favorite petite whore. Then the mad king would know that escalation and disrespect has no benefit.

    But it also is part due to Iran’s own fault. If Iranian judiciary had imposed equivalent of hundreds of trillion dollars of reparation money due to damages caused by US and UK on Iran, then they would known that such escalation has no benefit.

    I personally do not think Iran will see that 120 billion dollars of cash frozen outside of Iran. All that money will go to the pocket of these people. Unless Iran becomes nuclear armed and escalate accordingly. Playing a weakling in a jungle only encourages the beasts to attack.

    They made alqaida/taliban and then they helped to attack Iran and even kill Iranian diplomats in Afghanistan. Then they went to war with their allies and they blame Iran for their losses in this war all the while arming and supporting alqaida and taliban in Syria who have even killed Iranians. The list is long from MKO to Saddam and from Rigi to Saudis shooting down Iran’s planes with American help: http://www.nytimes.com/1984/06/06/world/2-iranian-fighters-reported-downed-by-saudi-air-force.html

  127. Smith says:

    Sammy says:
    January 13, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    The thing about Germany which I like the most is their cultural integration with industrial production (Japan has it too). See their marvelous “dual education system” and their family owned mid-sized industrial production plants. These two component of German society is integral to their economic success. It is as if the culture itself has internalized the industrialization and production.

    Currently, Iran can only envy these kind of societies. And most in Iran, are not even ready to learn and rather prefer to live a life of lies, corruption and hypocrisy. Germans might be average but only to Japanese. Compared with Iran, they are also extraordinary with their tremendous contribution in science and technology from medicine to cars. Take only one example Haber process, developed as a result of Germans being under sanctions. Today more than half of the flesh and protein in all human beings in the world, has come from this artificial German invention.

  128. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    January 13, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    Another good thing about relocation of the capital city is the fact that as per international law all the embassies will have to move out of Tehran too. It will be very beautiful. Too many times embassies like British, French, Russian, American etc have used their negative influences on the big population of Tehran, fomenting social unrest and disputing economy. A new capital would put an end to this.

  129. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    January 13, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    … That is if, Iran had also its own version of FaceBook, Email, Twitter etc etc. Otherwise of course even the capital city relocation can not stop color revolutions and external instigation and agitations.

  130. Sammy says:

    @fyi

    Just a few of my observations/investigations in Tokyo , randomly :

    *Most respectful people of a metropolitan cities in the world
    *More Michelin restaurants than Paris and NY combined
    *Most clean/hygienic city in the world
    *Biggest/cleanest and most diversified/most accurate metro in the world with 13 lines ( delays are estimated @ 7 seconds per year ! )
    *Lowest crime rate of the cities of the so called ‘civilized’ world
    *97 % of all homicides discovered ( besides having the lowest homicide rate in the ‘civilized’ world )
    *75 % of all thefts discovered
    *Death toll of only 150 in traffic accidents/year ( 2012) in a metropolitan city of 30 million( Tokyo & Yokohama )
    *Least polluted metropolitan city in the world
    *Biggest number of Hybrid cars in the world
    *50 000 km of sewage system ( even after a heavy storm , flooding is almost non-existent )
    *Best earthquake proof city in the world ( all elevators in the whole city switch off automatically , once an earthquake is registered and there are hundreds of thousand )
    *Traffic conjunction almost non-existent
    *Biggest number of vending machines ( turnover 65 billion $ / year )
    *Nicest and most clean taxis in the world
    *500 000 pedestrians are crossing Shibuya crossing per day without the slightest stress
    *Over 50 000 police officers responsible for the safety in the city
    *The most energy efficient city/people in the world ( by far )
    *Metropolitan Tokyo has the highest GDP in the world compared to other Metropolitan cities ( 2012 app 1.6 trillion $)

    and many many more superlatives.
    I never expect Tehran to match Tokyo , but at least our responsible city planners should go there to see an almost perfect city with their own eyes , may be they learn how a city must be governed.
    The only reason that Tokyo is not in the MSM focus , like Paris , London , NY and other Western cities is the fact that an Asian city is by far more sophisticated than their own cities and we could easily add Osaka , Kobe , Nagoya , Hiroshima , Nagasaki etc. to the list of best cities in the world

  131. Smith says:

    Sammy says:
    January 13, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    Makes one envious. It is a shame though that their society is dying due to their ever decreasing fertility rate (Iran is on the same route too).

    “*Death toll of only 150 in traffic accidents/year ( 2012) in a metropolitan city of 30 million( Tokyo & Yokohama )”

    Once I was talking to a guy from Tehran and explaining to him that most of the traffic deaths and injuries in Iran are due to Iranian cultural disregard for safety and its laws. He got very angry with me. You see, they are liars. He started to tell me that it is all because of “rezheem” and that it is because the “rezheem” does not provide them with high quality cars like BMW and Volvo and because the Iranian roads are not built per the highest German standards of 23nd century or even the 24th century. This is their mentality.

    They love lies and hypocrisy. They hate data and truth. The data says, most of traffic deaths in Iran is not because of mechanical failures or road design (both of which are above world average) but because of overspeeding, lack of driver training, aggressive driving (in Iran a defensive driver is called a sissy), wrong overtake, being under influence of drugs and lack of signalling to other drivers. And it is not only driving. As per WHO, Iran has one of the the highest DALY rates for unintentional injury and death. Whether in industry, home or traffic, people get killed because of their lack of concern for safety.

    And then there is some blame on the government. For instance, in Canada, there are less cops per population than in Iran. But those cops are much better trained, paid and equipped. The laws are super clear and enforced with zeal and ruthlessness. Going 10 kilometers above the speed limit would land a ticket, negative points on driving license and increase the insurance rate. Going 50 kilometer over speed limit, results in immediate, roadside confiscation of the vehicle, suspension of the driving license, 10 thousand dollars in immediate fine and the car insurance rate going up to several thousand dollars per month. It is draconian. For good reason. Even the most aggressive Tehrani driver, who drives in Canada or Europe suddenly becomes a docile, defensive and the most sissy driver on the road. No one dares to cross a red light even in the dead of the night.

    Iranians have only themselves to blame. Whether for traffic, pollution, lack of medicine or being incapable of manufacturing passenger planes etc.

  132. Khomeini says:

    Iran and P5+1 deal
    From Iran’s perspective, the interim nuclear deal between Iran and P5+1 has following policy options:

    1) United States will impose new sanctions on Iran at some point in time and kill the deal. US has done this before – remember the agreement Brazil and Turkey brokered with Iran; better known as Tehran Declaration. In case of Tehran Declaration more sanctions were imposed on Iran even when it was United States that rebuffed the deal despite Obama agreeing to the deal in the letter he send to Turkey and Brazil. The remaining members of P5+1 was happy to go along with sanctions because they did not like “little fish” such as Turkey and Brazil play big boy politics – it severely dented their prestige.

    However, this time when US imposes new sanctions, remaining members of P5+1 will castigate US for the failure and will ignore sanctions and allow their respective national oil and gas companies to carry on with business with Iran.

    2) Iran will be content with doing open business with International community in defiance to US. Iran will have upper hand and blame US for failure of nuclear deal and state that US is not serious about peaceful settlement of Iran’s nuclear file. In fact Iran will be able to claim that there is no serious party in United States with whom Iran can make a serious deal.

    3) Iran will restart nuclear enrichment to 60% – far higher than its previous enrichment level of 20%. Iran has already stated that this is what will happen if more sanctions are imposed. Iran’s parliament has indicated that nuclear enrichment at 60% is required for its nuclear submarine. http://en.alalam.ir/news/1548116

  133. James Canning says:

    Khomeini,

    I seem to recall that one factor that helped to wreck the proposed nuclear fuel exchange, was Iran’s commencement of enrichment to 20%.

  134. Khomeini says:

    James Canning says:
    January 13, 2014 at 6:22 pm

    It was not “Iran’s commencement of enrichment of 20%” that wrecked the proposal. But rather Obama’s refusal to accept the agreement that Turkey and Brazil struck with Iran. According to the deal Iran agreed to ship it uranium to Turkey for safe keeping and receive nuclear fuel pads enriched to 20% in return from P5+1. Obama lied to Brazil and Turkey that US was serious about a deal with Iran. Obama’s letter to Brazil’s Lua and Turkey’s Erdagon was made public by Brazilians. It can be seen with a google search.

  135. James Canning says:

    Robin Mills, on Iran’s oil plans for 2014:

    http://www.lobelog.com/irans-oil-plans-in-2014/#more22774

  136. James Canning says:

    Khomaeni,

    I think Obama actually favored the nuclear fuel exchange, and then “chikened out” due to intense opposition from the Israel lobby (including Aipac).

    Not his finest hour.

  137. James Canning says:

    Khomeini,

    The Arms Control association has a very detailed account of all proposals to resolve the Iranian nuclear dispute, including the nuclear fuel exchange (orig 1200 lb of 4% U for TRR fuel).

  138. Sineva says:

    James Canning says:
    January 13, 2014 at 2:06 pm
    But the fact was that he did nonetheless and it is on that fact that he will rightly be judged.You appear to be arguing that if a man kills another man during a robbery that it shouldnt be considered as a murder because his intent was just to rob not to kill,and that it was the victims own fault for not just handing over his wallet

  139. Don Bacon says:

    It was actually new sanctions that killed the Iran-Brazil-Turkey deal, which was first suggested by the US and then killed by the US.

    remembering some headlines–
    Apr 30, 2010-Turkey, Brazil brokering Iran nuclear deal
    May 16, 2010-Turkey, Brazil seal deal on Iran nuclear fuel swap
    May 17, 2010-Israel fears Iran nuclear deal will delay UN sanctions
    May 17, 2010-U.S. Is Skeptical on Iranian Deal for Nuclear Fuel
    May 18, 2010-U.S. outmanoeuvered as Iran signs nuclear deal with Turkey and Brazil
    May 18, 2010-Iran’s Nuke Deal Irritates Washington
    May 19, 2010-Brazil, Turkey defend nuclear deal with Iran, urge Security Council to give talks more time
    May 19, 2010-Brazil-Turkey Deal with Iran Undermines Big Power Politics
    May 26, 2010-What Did China Get for Backing Iran Sanctions?
    June 9, 2010-Security Council Imposes Additional Sanctions on Iran
    Aug 30, 2010-Iran atomic chief says fuel swap talks finished

    It may soon be deja vu all over again.

  140. Karl.. says:

    Don Bacon

    US didnt accept the Brazil at all, it wasnt the sanctions itself.

  141. Sammy says:

    ‘Smith says:
    January 13, 2014 at 5:51 pm’

    Agreed on almost all points and it is very sad to face all of those facts.
    I do not intend to overextend this topic , however there is one very important and crucial point which you mentioned about Canada.
    There you follow the law because of the draconian fines and measures , same like in Germany or any similar country.
    In Japan it does not work this way , the mindset is completely different incomparable to a Western world country . They don’t act because of fear for fines or penalties , but because they genuinely believe to improve their society and environment , economy etc.
    E.g. in Japan after the Fukushima disaster the government asked the population to save on energy and in my opinion and from what I see , over 90 % of the population follow the advice strictly and as they are the most educated people on the planet their technical know-how also helps them to implement the recommendations of the authorities with NO enforcement.
    I remind you that currently all of the 50 NPP of Japan are switched off , which used to provide 30 % of Japan’s energy demand and still the country is functioning perfectly , no Western country would ever be able to do that. ( and no mentioning of Iran , where the authorities are asking the people to save on gas in the current cold weather and the result is that people give a shi… )

  142. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Ataune, Sammy,

    I tend to agree with much of the substance of what Closet-case has to say, it’s just the style is revolting and he mixes up subjects with each other which are not related to each other.

    I told him at the very beginning that being a “genius” and “being right” is not worth a thing if one is an arrogant prick- the way he is.

    Hey, as he said: sometimes rudeness is necessary.

    I’m guessing he’s got nobody in his life that can help him and guide him and that’s why he’s clinging onto fyi (in Farsi there is a saying about going into the well with somebody else’s “rotten rope” which seems apropos)

    He understands that his style is damaging his message, but he’s too arrogant to acknowledge it in word or action.

    Also he’s sexually frustrated and needs therapy but instead of seeking a wife/husband and a therapist, he honors us with his diatribes on this forum.

    That last point wasn’t an insult, it was a rational conclusion from the behavior he has displayed.

  143. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Sammy,

    Cultural homogeneity is a major reason why Japanese cities are the way they are.

    You see a similar thing in cities in Iran like Isfahan, Shiraz, Hamadan, Zanjan, Qazwin, Yazd, Qom, Kashan even Tabriz to certain extent which are dealing with the same problems as Tehran (on a smaller scale) but without some of the pathologies of Tehran (notice I didn’t include Mashhad which is different because of the millions of visitors constantly there).

    Of course certain sophisticates like the “creative” chaos such an environment creates- when they don’t have to live in- and they say stupid things about the cultural homogeneity of mentioned cities- sitting comfortably in a US suburb- the epitome of cultural homogeneity if there every was one.

    I’ve mentioned that Tehran is a “monster” with different people with very different cultures from around Iran pressed together in small apartments and traffic jams.

    The rich who have no price ceiling keep pushing prices- real estate, food, education, luxury goods- up in North Tehran- and then like an avalanche it slides down Vali Asr and Modaress and raises prices in the rest of the city where people have a real price ceiling with the crappy salaries that they are getting.

    Did I mention the pollution?

    They’re talking about moving the capital. In principle a good idea. The big question is: moving it to where?

  144. Sammy says:

    ‘Bussed-in Basiji says:
    January 14, 2014 at 6:13 am’

    Sammy,
    Cultural homogeneity is a major reason why Japanese cities are the way they are.

    Very true in deed !
    Last Eid I travelled for the first time to Yazd and I was truly overwhelmed.
    Although a comparison between Yazd and Tokyo/Osaka would be stupid , however I noticed following similarities , which finally gave me reason to believe that there is still hope in this country:

    Yazd security ( all aspects ) : 100
    Tokyo security ( all aspects ) : 100

    Yazd unemployment : 0
    Tokyo unemployment : 0

    People’s modesty in Yazd : 100
    People’s modesty in Tokyo : 100

    Yazd cleanliness : 100
    Tokyo cleanliness : 100

    Yazd’s people courtesy : 100
    Tokyo’s people courtesy : 100

    Yazd’s cultural awareness : 100
    Tokyo’s cultural awareness : 100

    Also the educational level of the people of Yazd is relatively high , compared to the other provinces in Iran ( in Japan we cannot differentiate really as they have the most educated people on the planet , almost everywhere you go )
    While discussing the problems of Tehran one very clever and intelligent Yazdi taxi drive told me that there is little/none hope for Tehran and the current state of affairs proves him right.
    Smith also mentioned a very valid and true point , once the we get our of the country we get more catholic than the pope and if they tell us that the cars in this and that country must be driven backwards we take it as God’s law , very sad , very sad…..

  145. Fiorangela says:

    Sen Bob Casey responds to a letter protesting his position on Iran —

    Dear XXX —

    Thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding U.S. policy toward Iran. I appreciate hearing from you about this issue.

    The Iranian regime’s longtime pursuit of a nuclear weapons capability threatens our national security, our interests abroad, and our closest allies overseas. In order to protect our national security interests, the United States continues to work with the international community to put pressure on the Iranian regime to abandon its nuclear weapons program, using a variety of diplomatic and economic means.
    As your United States Senator, I am committed to ensuring Iran does not achieve a nuclear weapons capability. Since coming to the Senate in 2007, I have supported a variety of measures to pressure Iran to respect international nuclear regulations and human rights. For example, I supported the passage of the Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Human Rights Act of 2012, which was signed into law on August 10, 2012. This legislation closes loopholes in existing sanctions, including targeting companies that provide shipping, insurance and financial services to Iran’s energy sector. The U.S. has worked with our allies in the European Union, as well as regional partners like Turkey, in isolating the Iranian regime. Both the United States and the European Union have imposed sanctions on Iran, including asset freezes and travel bans.

    It is clear that these tough sanctions recently brought the Iranian regime to the negotiating table, which resulted in the first meaningful limits that Iran has agreed to on its nuclear ambitions in almost a decade. After months of substantive negotiations on Iran’s nuclear program, the P5+1 (the United States, United Kingdom, Germany, France, Russia, and China, facilitated by the European Union) and Iran reached an interim agreement on November 23, 2013. This interim agreement, or the Joint Action Plan, could halt the progress of Iran’s nuclear program and roll it back in key respects.

    I believe that diplomacy is always the preferred path to peace. However, the Iranian regime has not always negotiated in good faith, and it remains the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism and a close ally of the brutal Assad regime in Syria. I remain skeptical about the Iranian regime’s commitment to abandoning their pursuit of a nuclear weapons capability, including significantly and verifiably reducing their stockpiles of highly enriched uranium and opening their nuclear facilities to international inspectors. I closely examined the interim agreement and will continue to consult with the Administration and outside experts on crucial components of this deal including: verification, the impact of the agreement on Arak facility and the process for the partial elimination of highly enriched uranium.

    On December 20, 2013, Senator Robert Menendez of New Jersey introduced S.1881, the Nuclear Weapon Free Iran Act. After carefully and thoroughly considering the terms of the interim agreement and the ongoing negotiations, I signed on as an original cosponsor to this bill, which currently has 47 cosponsors on both sides of the aisle. I will continue to work with Administration officials, outside experts, and my colleagues to ensure that Iran does not achieve a nuclear weapons capability that could threaten U.S. national security interests.

    I am also deeply concerned about the Iranian regime’s ongoing human rights abuses, and I have been outspoken about the need for increased U.S. and international attention to this issue. I cosponsored S. Res. 75, condemning the Government of Iran for its state-sponsored persecution of its Baha’i minority and its continued violation of the International Covenants on Human Rights. I will continue to work to increase public awareness of the plight of Iranian activists and others who receive brutal treatment at the hands of the regime.

    The United States has a critical national security interest in denying Iran access to a nuclear weapon, as well as a moral obligation to support the Iranian people. Please be assured that I will continue to monitor the situation in Iran closely, and that I will have your concerns in mind.

    Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future about this or any other matter of importance to you.

    For more information on this or other issues, I encourage you to visit my website, http://casey.senate.gov. I hope you will find this online office a comprehensive resource to stay up-to-date on my work in Washington, request assistance from my office or share with me your thoughts on the issues that matter most to you and to Pennsylvania.

  146. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    We should send IQ 147 to Yazd to learn some courtesy and manners.

  147. Karl.. says:

    Fiorangla

    I wonder if Bob Casey have been provided with a document(by aipac etc) what to say when hes contacted on this issue.
    Good that you contacted him. But you should have called him out on his arguments.

  148. Photi says:

    Sammy says:
    January 13, 2014 at 2:31 pm
    “‘Ataune says:
    January 13, 2014 at 1:48 pm’

    “Smith is definitely rude , however sometimes I tend to agree with him.”

    as they say, a broken clock is right twice a day. Smith has been abusive since he arrived here, for him to blame it on the rest of the commenters is plain silly. shows he either lacks seriousness and/or is insane. he often flies into fits of narcissistic rage. there are revolutionaries and there are reactionaries and Smith is clearly a reactionary. his best advice is that Iran should forget itself and copy the rest of the world. copy facebook. copy twitter. copy backroom deals with shady characters in Hong Kong. Whatever you do, says Smith to Iran, do not innovate!!! (Entrepreneurship and privilege created facebook, not governments spending billions to copy copy copy. )

  149. kooshy says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    January 14, 2014 at 7:31 am

    “We should send IQ 147 to Yazd to learn some courtesy and manners.”

    Please let this Janevar stay in Hifa, he may catch a wild street orgy there and get himself relived. As for yazd, he should find Moshe Katsab ( Ghassab) he was born in yazd, warm up act should go to see him they have similar menatlity and fit well.

  150. fyi says:

    The Leveretts:

    In order to bring the Syrian War to end, the United States must choose Mr. Assad’s de facto victory.

    She will not; it requires repudiation of a US policy that saw the combined efforts of the United States, European Union, Turkey, Jordan, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia to destroy the Ba’ath state in Syria in order to wound Iran.

    It is more expedient for US leaders not to do anything and let the war in Syria continue; that way they are spared the public questioning and humiliation of “What was that all about?”

    This is a low-cost policy option for the United States in the short term (i.e. the remainder of Mr. Obama’s term) in which Saudis would be funding the continuation of the war in Syria and Turks would help with the logistics.

    It will keep 3 enemies of Israel: Syria, Iran, and Hezbollah occupied fighting another set of Israel’s enemies.

    The end of the war in Syria with the Ba’ath State in tact would benefit Iran, Russia, Hezbollah, and Iraq.

    Why would US help bring about that outcome?

    In my opinion, only total victory by Mr. Assad’s government will end this war – and my sense of that is that is the Iranian strategy.

  151. fyi says:

    All:

    [This was built by the United States which destroyed Lake Hamoon in Iran and with it the bread-basket of Iran.]

    http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/01/13/what_withdrawal_us_pumps_more_cash_into_afghanistans_500_million_dam

  152. Smith says:

    Sammy says:
    January 14, 2014 at 4:16 am

    That is right and good. But still Iran has no hope of becoming Japan. It is better to recommend things which are do-able in Iran. Iranians by definition are more khod-khah and az-khod-razi than it would allow them to transform to Japanese society of selflessness and teamwork. Just look at this forum. Yazdi or no Yazdi, it is all rotten. I have myself seen Tehrani kids making fun of an old Balochi guy, because of him wearing traditional clothes. These mofo’s, sisfo’s and hypocrites who rape their own daughters like kooshy here are the problem in Iran. They themselves enjoy their lives in US, and behave hypocritically here. They are spies. Some one should keep an eye on these mofo elements.

  153. Smith says:

    Iranian economy vs. German economy: http://www.tabnak.ir/fa/news/371391/%DA%98%D8%B1%D9%85%D9%86%E2%80%8C%D9%87%D8%A7-%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B2-%D8%A8%D9%87-%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B2-%D8%AB%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%AA%D9%85%D9%86%D8%AF%D8%AA%D8%B1-%D9%85%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D8%B4%D9%88%D9%86%D8%AF

    Yes, mofo’s. Fix your house. Forget about German economy. Start by producing medicines, MRI machines and automated ELISA and export them if you can. Stop playing with your mother.

  154. Smith says:

    Another idiot: http://www.etemaad.ir/Released/1391-12-23/197.htm

    Note that this idiot is actually praised in Iran for his hard work and his “intelligence” in industrial matters. You can see how bad the situation is when the idiot is the best manager they have.

    The stupid idiot goof, is advising the government to follow Malaysian car model and to cooperate even more and suck even more French/Japan phalli so that we get abit more technology.

    Absolutely no word about the importance, centrality and criticality of RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. A company like IranKhodro should be spending 5% of its revenues on R&D. And this is the minimum for such a company. But alas, those who do not have the brain to think and those who are super corrupt will never allow such a thing to happen.

  155. Smith says:

    And these liar, mofos should understand that I have always promoted private entrepreneurship and R&D in Iran. But these mofos should know also that the internet was made by government and not private hands. In fact all major technologies have from rockets to ultrasound to computers to internet have all been developed by public funds with government involvement or with heavy government subsidy for private, usually from military. These mofos who play with their mothers should learn that without government and public support, science and technology can not move forward. These mofos should learn that even facebook itself is a copy of earlier social media networks. These mofos should understand that creating a copy of facebook is much better than the inevitability of putting all Iranians on facebook (as already all Iranians are using foreign email services). But then these mofos do not have the brain and intelligence ot think. They do not even know that history of facebook is murky at best, with the guy claimed to be its inventor having a suspicious character. But then the lying mofos are incapable of understanding these issues. Because they are sell outs. They want to put all of Iran under surveillance.

  156. Smith says:

    The mofo’s who want to promote facebook are the real enemies of Iran and freedom everywhere.

    It is just the tip of the iceberg: http://www.siliconafrica.com/why-china-and-russia-banned-google-from-their-country/

  157. BiBiJon says:

    Ms. Maloney account is one sided
    ==============================

    Even though she criticizes the GW Bush admin for not negotiating with Iran in 2003-4 time when thre was no stockpile of enriched uranium, Arak was on the drawing board, and the number of centrifuges were in the hunders, not 10s of 1000s, she fails to draw the conclusion that Iran’s obstinacy also softened the US position.

    She makes it as though the US has stood firm, and it is Iran that came cap in hand. The truth is both sides left their trenches, met in Oman, and decided to pursue a less confrontational attitude.

    I agree with Ms. Maloney that there won’t be war, if the negotiations collapse. But, there will be vastly increased enrichment infrastructure, a fueled up Arak reactor, and, yes more sanctions, and more acrimony.

  158. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Prior to the Aug 21 CW event in Syria, it appeared the Obama administration was willing to let the Assad government win the civil war. Obama apparently sees there is no way to control the outcome in Syria, if the Syrian government is overthrown.
    This argues against intervention on behalf of the insurgents.

  159. James Canning says:

    Don Bacon,

    Thanks for reminding us Israel played a key role in wrecking the proposed nuclear fuel exchange.

  160. James Canning says:

    Sineva,

    Obama lacked the political skill, courage, etc etc to confront the Israel lobby and accomplish his goals of improving America’s relations with Iran, and Syria. I offer no excuses when I say he “chickened out”. But Iran’s own actions helped to block Obama’s programme.

  161. Kathleen says:

    So if Iran does not march to U.S. orders they don’t participate…even when the majority of nations say yes. And this is diplomacy?

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/01/nyt-says-that-aipac-is-pushing-the-march-toward-war.html

    House Republican Move Could Accidentally Save Iranian Nuke Negotiations
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/14/house-republican-iran_n_4594740.html

  162. Karl.. says:

    Bibijon

    Wasnt John Kerry supposed to go to Iran according to yourself just some months ago?

  163. Smith says:

    No wonder, Iran can never become an advanced economy: http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13921003000410

    With an yearly R&D budget of about one billion dollar for whole of Iran (most of it goes to corruption as well), one can not expect to have any progress.

    By comparison only one French company (Sanofi) spends over 6 billion dollars per year on R&D.

    But then in a nation of smugglers, mafias, cargo cults and corrupted officials there is no value for thinkers, innovators and inventors.

  164. BiBiJon says:

    Also, on Ms. Maloney

    She claims political, legal, and even moral impediments exist for the world to resume trading with Iran.

    Well … “French Companies Explore Return to Iran Amid Sanctions Thaw
    High-Level Corporate Delegation Plans Tehran Visit After Interim Nuclear Deal ”
    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303819704579318633185096724?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303819704579318633185096724.html

    She would have been nearer the mark if she had also considered US’ untenable position in demanding Iran’s isolation, whatever the opportunity costs for her allies, indefinitely.

    Indeed, just as Russia-Iran oil barter has done, the European executives who are “jetting” into Tehran have political message for uncle Sam: You’d better have a non-ideological reason for isolating Iran indefinitely, or else you’re on your own. If you do have a reason, then out with it. What is it?

  165. fyi says:

    BiBiJon says:

    January 14, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    The Russia-Iran oil barter was just a threat to get the deal agreed to.

    We need to wait and see if there is any substance between this “smoke-and-Mirrors” deal.

    The fact is that bilateral trade between Iran and Russia has been less than $ 1.2 billion dollars a year for many years.

  166. BiBiJon says:

    Karl.. says:
    January 14, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    “Wasnt John Kerry supposed to go to Iran according to yourself just some months ago?”

    I sure urged him, invited him, etc. But he didn’t take me up on the offer.

    I do think he was wrong. Had he gone, he would have created a momentum, optics, etc., that would have made it more difficult for AIPAC stooges to try and torpedo the interim deal.

  167. Karl.. says:

    Bibijon

    Of course it would have been good but it wasnt realistic, agree?

  168. Maryam says:

    Thank so much for site! I really admire your strong arguments against Obama.

    In this I remind of Supreme Leader (of Iran), Ayatollah Khamenei and his strong stance against the arrogant powers, he stand firm against takfiris and AIPAC stooges.

    I hope you write more book, I read your Going2Tehran book and it was very agreed.

    Best wishes
    Maryam

  169. BiBiJon says:

    fyi says:
    January 14, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    A threat, or for real, either way, His Highness Shaikh Mohammad Bin Rashid Al Maktoum took the possibility of substantial losses to his re-export business very seriously, and broke with the Saudis.

    The point here is not reading the tea leaves. The point is that the market is large enough, the saga has continued long enough, multinational corporations are drooling with enough anticipation,that any one of these “threats”, could upset the apple cart.

    Maloney recons US can continue to have sway over the drooling, competing entities vying to get into Iran. I think she is not being objective.

  170. kooshy says:

    It’s Time for the Americans to open up to Iran and all other made up enemies that don’t exist. Americans are tired, no longer willing to fight or can afford to pay for other’s fights, no matter if it’s in Iran or anywhere else that’s now the The American Main Street feeling, even though not yet the feeling or the desire of the political belt rounding Washington. Never less who ever lived here long enough feels this deep in the belly that Main Street wants no more war or even confrontation with anyone any kind any where any how.

    “America’s surviving historic enemies are laughable: North Korea’s leadership is moving from nuclear threats to basketball challenges. Russia is a has-been and China is struggling to fill America’s shopping carts. Geriatric Cuba is less of a threat to Florida than another real estate bust.

    If “Death to America” chants fade in Tehran, won’t chello kebabsoon push out pizza in Washington? We must prepare for the worst: a new enemy must be targeted by the US. But who can our people be taught to hate on short notice?”

    http://www.lobelog.com/fighting-off-peace/

  171. Richard Steven Hack says:

    White House promises ‘action’ if nuclear talks fail with Iran
    http://www.jpost.com/Iranian-Threat/News/White-House-promises-action-if-nuclear-talks-fail-with-Iran-338079

    So this is how it may go…Obama is relying on Russia’s easing sanctions on Iran, thereby allowing the US to abrogate the deal by imposing additional sanctions – and as usual, leaving him blameless for everything.

    This is Obama’s modus operandi – do everything he can to shaft people in the back without himself being blamed for any of it.

  172. Fiorangela says:

    Karl.. says:
    January 14, 2014 at 8:45 am

    Karl, Casey’s letter arrived just this morning. I’m working on a response.

    On my desk, as I draft a response, is a 3-volume set of Shahnameh, translated by Dick Davis. Vol. II is “Fathers and Sons.”

    The United States does not have a unifying national epic. The US Senate provides raw material for someone who has the talent to compose one, and a major theme of that epic would be the utter failure of manhood among American leaders.

    Like several other US senators and congressmen, Senator Robert Casey is the son of a very successful politician; junior struggles to fill his shoes. John McCain and George W. Bush are two more examples of sons who were unable to assert their own identity and character in the shadow of their fathers.

    From the time he was a little boy Teddy Roosevelt played ‘soldier’ — Teddy’s father had paid a surrogate to take his place in the US Civil War, an act which caused the father no end of guilt and shame, which young Teddy felt and observed. Teddy’s adult response was to advocate for war on every possible pretense or no pretense; he believed that war was necessary to prove one’s manliness.

    Kermit Roosevelt grew up with tales of his grandfather’s bravado, and also of the “romance” of Lawrence of Arabia and of Rudyard Kipling’s “Kim.” Kermit spent much of his career in CIA struggling to measure up to Teddy Roosevelt’s “manliness.” To do so, he plunged into adventures such as the overthrow of Mossadeqh and the subversion of the Syrian government a few years later (interesting discussion of Arabists in early CIA here — http://www.booktv.org/Program/15311/Americas+Great+Game+The+CIAs+Secret+Arabists+and+the+Shaping+of+the+Modern+Middle+East.aspx )

    The American political class is a microcosm of American society, and American society is beset with gender identity conflicts and debasement of manliness. Warmaking — producing weapons of increasing and anonymous lethality; spending far beyond reason on the means of killing — exerting ultimate power over another — are the new institutions that supplant the manly courage required to form and raise a family. Warmaking is relied upon to promote and protect manhood in a culture that discusses same sex marriage with moral claims that are completely absent in discussions of killing or starving millions of people Over There.

  173. Karl.. says:

    Interesting..
    https://twitter.com/tparsi/status/423298492334104576

    Also saw that Rouhani is going to Davos meeting later this month, dont know if that is a good idea or not..

  174. BiBiJon says:

    with reference to ttp://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/16/opinion/obamas-losing-bet-on-iran.html?_r=0

    MICHAEL DORAN and MAX BOOT contend that whatever Sunni jihadism exists in the middle east it is because of Iran. And that a US-Iran rapprochement will exacerbate that Sunni Jihadism. Hailing from the Saban Center for Middle East Policy, and the Council on Foreign Relations, they both show the depth of intellectual dishonesty that afflicts various think tanks in the US.

    Rather than me answering the two mountebanks, I encourage you to watch Hillary Mann Leverett mop the floor with their baseless, up-is-down assertions.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHOuzrbAqdQ

  175. Fiorangela says:

    BiBiJon says:
    January 15, 2014 at 8:53 am

    thank you for link to Hillary Leverett speaking at Conference for Peace on November 10th. 2013 at the Nassau Presbyterian Church Princeton, NJ “Diplomacy, Not War with Iran”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHOuzrbAqdQ

  176. BiBiJon says:

    Did you watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LHOuzrbAqdQ#t=1159

    Hillary says: Quote

    Collaborating with Washington to be the regional hegemon was the Shah’s foreign policy. It is not the Islamic Republic’s foreign policy. I argue that the Islamic Republic is, what I would call, a paradigm of counter-hegemonic foreign policy. And, by that I mean, as a matter of foreign policy, the Islamic Republic aspires to be the Middle East’s leading nation economically, scientifically, and technologically.

    But the Islamic Republic’s foreign policy and national security strategies are fundamentally defensive with an overarching goal to insure the Islamic Republic’s safety and security, defined in terms of national independence, and territorial, and political integrity.

    The Islamic Republic’s strategic objective is not hegemony, but in fact a regional order in which hegemony is not achievable; not by any other country there.

    To the extent that the Islamic Republic has been able to expand its regional influence,it has done so by supporting indigenous resistance to the hegemonic initiatives of others. And, by supporting political forces capable of winning popular legitimacy through elections. They are not invading anybody; They are supporting indigenous forces in these countries.

    End quote
    —————-

    Here I want to note that if Iran has been able to convince the US, that the Middle East as battlefield of P5’s rivalries will sap away US’ capacities and will leave nothing in it’s wake but destruction, and few after-the-fact regretful op-eds in the NY Times, then in turn, if the US has persuaded (to varying degrees) the rest of the P5 that Iran’s counter-hegemonic paradigm is something they should all welcome, then indeed a huge realignment is in the offing. In other words, the peace is not between US and Iran; it is among the P5. No entity in the Middle East can achieve hegemony without P5 consensus. Pursuit of individualistic goals have been shown to be all cost and no gain. Surely the “counter-hegemonic paradigm” must be attractive to the P5, if only they could establish trust among themselves.

  177. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    January 15, 2014 at 10:49 am

    It is being exposed now fully. These elements are foot soldiers of US/UK. “D.A.E.S.H” is the Arabic abbreviate of ISIS name.

  178. Smith says:

    German economy, yeah?

    American economic problem, huh?

    Produce your own medicines and stop jumping on your mother: http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/arts/2014/01/140115_l51_medicine_sanctions_iran.shtml

    There are about 500 essential medicine molecules. Start copying/reverse engineering and masss producing them at the miraculous rate of one per week and 10 years later, Iran will perhaps become khod-kafa. I am not even asking for inventing a new medicine. Just produce the ones already known to mankind. Be-Orzeha. After 800 years of deep coma, you mumble about American economy, yeah? Start manufacturing your own MRI, CT-SCAN, ELISA, Implantable cardiac defibrillator and pacemaker etc etc.

    They eat American wheat, smoke American cigarettes and use American medicines and then talk about American economy. Hypocrites.

  179. James Canning says:

    BiBiJon,

    The Shah sometimes greatly annoyed one or another of the Gulf monarchies, but the US was not especially concerned because the Shah was not hostile toward Israel.

  180. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    It was not and is not the intent of the US to grow the forces of al-Qaeda in Syria (or Iraq), but this is happened due to support for the insurgents in Syria provided by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

  181. James Canning says:

    Bibijon,

    Max Boot is a rabid neocon warmonger. And a persistent slanderer of Iran, it goes without saying.

  182. Smith says:

    Since 120 billion dollars of Iranian cash is now locked out outside of Iran in haram-khor foreign banks because of super corruption in Iran and it is quite possible that Iran will never be able to see this money again, since US will use all kinds of tricks to usurper it, I propose that Iran offer this money to Russia and China in return for military hardware, technology transfer and capital goods (note that there should be absolutely no consumer goods or importing cars, dildos, etc etc for the hypocrite mafia).

    Both Russia and China have the power to over-ride UN/US sanctions, specially now that they need Iran in places like Syria and Afghanistan. The situation demands a plan B, since US is not in mood to do a proper deal with Iran.

    It is a mouth watering offer. For example offer 60 billion dollars to Russia for manufacturing plants of Tu-214, Il-96 and Su-35 as well as technology transfer for Kilo class and S-300 system.

    Offer the rest of 60 billion dollars to China for technology transfer and production facility for type 054A frigates, large Silicone Fab facilities and pharmaceutical manufacturing plants (China is a major pharma exporter).

    There is no loss in making this offer. It will be up to them to take it or leave it. Russia sold technology and manufacturing plant for Su-30MKI to India for just a couple of billion dollars. 60 billion is going to be really a big offer. At any rate, it appears, Iran will never see those 120 billion dollars, as Iran never saw the billions of dollars locked in US and UK banks since the time of revolution. It is better to put this stash of money into a use as an offering.

  183. Fiorangela says:

    Smith says:
    January 15, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    Your argument carries an implicit claim for the superiority of “western” medicine.

    fact 1. In the Washington, DC area, the most expensive neighborhood in the region, perhaps the nation, surround the National Institutes of Health. The NIH campus is expanding geometrically, with construction in every conceivable corner. US taxpayers are pouring massive tax funding into NIH to find cures for diseases that may afflict one person in 10 million.

    fact 2. Julie Rovner is the “go-to” reporter in Washington on issues related to US medical care and “Obamacare,” the Affordable Care Act. In a recent interview, Rovner said that the American College of Surgeons composed the list of procedures that ACA should cover in the insurance policies Americans are required to purchase.

    But consider fact 3.

    A few miles north of NIH a large Chinese community is forming. Many Chinese scientists work in the DNA labs that had their start in that part of Washington’s suburbs. As the Chinese community grew, so did the kinds of restaurants and grocery stores that Chinese people prefer. The other day, a Chinese friend took me to a Chinese grocery store that is far larger than any of the well-established franchise groceries in the region. As we walked up and down the aisles of vegetables, fishes, noodles, mushrooms, frozen foods, my friend provided a running commentary on the health benefits of each food; how to prepare it to achieve maximum good health and mental acuity. My overall impression was that in Chinese culture, eating is not popping something into your mouth, it is a holist and thoughtful way of life. Later, she explained to me that a Chinese doctor believes he has failed if he has to cure a disease; his/her job is to consider the person before him and prescribe the best way to maximize health by regulating exercise, eating, sleeping, etc.

    The point is, it may be that the U.S. and the West do NOT own the franchise on how to lead a healthy life. Maybe the East has something to teach us all. Maybe the West AND Iran would benefit if Iran mastered its own health systems rather than reverse-engineer American pharmaceuticals.

  184. fyi says:

    Fiorangela says:

    January 15, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    Smith is correct; Western medicine has established its superiority during the course of the last 150 years.

    Non-Western systems of medicine have not been able to catch up or otherwise assimilate the Western cannon and have largely been relegated to irrelevance.

    For example: the 4-Nautres theory, common to both Chinese and Islamic Medicine, never had any solutions for communicable diseases – that had to wait for the germ theory of disease.

    And then one has to look at the Western dentistry over the last 200 years….

  185. Smith says:

    Fiorangela says:
    January 15, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    Yes, dear Angela. Western medicine is not merely superior. It is supreme.

    The west was lucky to give birth to scientific revolution. The rest is Voodoo. Unless you can prove it in a series of peer reviewed controlled experiments. I stand with science and unlike many of my compatriots, I was not born comatosed into Voodoo beliefs.

    On points you raised:

    Truth 1: You should be proud of that. This is one of the things Americans should be proud for having contributed to the world (not their GI’s and wars). You see, we are complex organisms and in a sense we are so much related to each other and to our surroundings that if I were not talking about science in this comment, I would say, it is the greatest miracle we are living in.

    Fortunately western science and medicine had the audacity to allow the thinking required to recognize this miracle. In places like Iran, they will burn you at stake and torture your family to death if you ever tried to delve into this beauty (forget about getting funding to do research on an ailment that afflicts “one person in 10 million”.

    The disease that afflict one in ten or 100 million or even a billion is not irrelevant and its cure is not a stand-alone set of facts unrelated and useless to the ultimately super large collection of other facts within and without us. If you study human physiology, you will understand what I am talking about.

    Let me give an example for purpose of clarification: There is this “disease” (actually disease is also a word/baggage from our dark periods of Voodoo, it is actually a undesired variation) that is quite rare by the name of congenital analgesia. Say “one person in 10 million”. Or “whatever”. Who cares if a child in ten million dies of repeated injuries suffered because of lack of pain feedback loop and thus inability to learn physical self protection. Let him/her die. One in ten million, personally, I do not care too.

    But there is another side to it. Studying this disease helps us to learn about pain and how it works. We might or might not become able to cure those with congenital analgesia say in this century, but it helps us to understand pain pathways and the way pain is processed by the brain. And pain, is the most debilitating and economically damaging symptom among human beings.

    Another example: We have molecular receptors in our nervous system, which normally are not being utilized at all or not utilized to their full extent/purpose. Why they are there? Then we have ligands in our environment that we extract and use to alter our undesired variation in life by activating those receptors (say kappa/delta/mu receptors and morphine in opium poppy or enoxaparin from guts of pigs and human clotting system or human made sevoflurane and human brain consciousness system).

    Voodoo is incapable of discovering, understanding and putting these facts into use. (Western) Science is. Non-western medicine is incapable of categorizing, analyzing and solving human variations in status of life. A diabetic person in Iran had only less than one year to live as anywhere else before the age of Insulin. No amount of Voodoo and food myths would save him/her.

    Truth 2: That is politics. It has nothing to do with the science and medicine.

    Basically there are four different healthcare system. Choosing which one is a political decision made by people of a nation. It is irrelevant whether the basis for that health care is “western” medicine or Voodoo. Some one has to pay the Voodoo witch and the nurse alike. Both have to eat.

    The four:

    1) Out of pocket model: When you go to get a cure for acute renal failure, from a witch or from a doctor, you pay cash out of your own pocket. It is the worst and most primitive form of healthcare system.

    2) Beveridge model: Government pays it all, mostly to doctors trained in western medicine (through taxes in modern economies or by rent in backward countries like Saudi Arabia). Government usually does not pay for the witch visits.

    3) Bismark model: Government administered, compulsory insurance funds financed by contribution of individuals and employers. The insuring entities are forbidden from making any kind of profits. Some Witchcraft is permitted as long as it does not interfere with western medicine.

    4) National health insurance model: Hybrid of Beveridge and Bismark models.

    US like Iran currently has not yet chosen any definitive model. In Iran, long time ago, Bismark model had been working but now Iran has mostly moved towards out of pocket model except for the most primary preventative services.

    Truth 3: Oh, the east most definitely has things to teach and has taught already too. The important point here being that its the western medicine that has been able to learn not the eastern systems.

    Take the example of an important drug, Aspirin. Since ages ago, it was known in both east and west that the bark of willow tree is good for pain relief. But it was the modern western science that finally discovered what it is the salicylic acid molecule that was giving the pain relief not the Voodoo and not the wood. And it was again the western medicine that by acetylation of salicylic acid made Aspirin and transformed it to a more tolerable form for human stomach.

    Look at these figures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

    They have not been coming down because of some unproven myths about food properties. It is because of western medicine. Say invention of scissors, C-Section and antibiotics. A pre-term neonate with immature lungs could not be cured by “mythical food power”. He/she needs betamethasone and synthetic surfactant. Voodoo is useless in such serious situations.

    And finally the western medicine has complete “dictatorial” control over the process of healthcare. Trying to resist it, is futile and immediately counter-productive. That is how the truth works.

    “Chinese doctor believes he has failed if he has to cure a disease; his/her job is to consider the person before him and prescribe the best way to maximize health by regulating exercise, eating, sleeping, etc.”

    That is part of something called ethics in medicine. You can have the same ethics in Voodoo too. But if you have a good ethic with truth power of “western” medicine, then you have come much closer to an ideal system. But even the best of ethics with Voodoo, will not go far.

    I have seen girls being beaten up and tortured and their food and sleep “regulated” because they had epilepsy (the Voodoo witch believed as a matter of factly that the girl was possessed). The witch had such a high ethical standing in society that everyone believed his diagnosis. In Western medicine a doctor might not have give a fvck about the girl’s family, sleep or food. But would prescribe the western medicine of Valproic Acid and cure the girl. Now, if that doctor gave a fvck too, I would say, it was closer to the ideal system as well. By the way, you will find much more compassion, ethics and even love in French or Norwegian healthcare system than in Chinese or Iranian healthcare system.

    The east is very much indebted to west. I as an easterner thank you for your contribution to human (and even animal) healthcare, since without your system, we would be using Voodoo still for everything from a fractured hip to kidney failure.

    Specially United States which spends upto 18% of its GDP on healthcare and has a healthcare system super-geared towards discovering newer treatments (rather than providing egalitarian healthcare to its own citizens). Others might not but I recognize the sacrifices of American nation in this regard so that the rest of the world does not live in a Voodoo age (For instance in Iran the cardiologists impatiently wait for the newest guidelines of American Heart Association, to download it illegally and read it and apply it to their patients- US spends zizzillion amount of money to run the experiments, trials and comparison studies to get to the best treatment so that an Iranian patient with congestive cardiac failure gets the most out of her life).

    Once again for the supreme western medicine. The age of voodoo is gone.

  186. Smith says:

    Typo correction to my previous comment:

    That is:

    Once again THANK YOU for the supreme western medicine. The age of voodoo is gone.

  187. James Canning says:

    “Iranian participation at the [Syrian] peace conference is essential”.
    – – Sir Roger Tomkys, British ambassador to Syria 1984-86
    writing in The Times (London) Jan 3rd

  188. James Canning says:

    Israel’s defence minister accused John Kerry of having an “incomprehensible obsession” with getting Israel out of the West Bank. In fact, Kerry’s determation is very easy to comprehend. Getting Israel out is the obvious way forward.

  189. Rehmat says:

    Barack Obama has no intention of letting both Syria and Iran live in peace until it achieves pro-Israel regime changes in Damascus and Tehran.

    US secretary of state, John Kerry, who was accused of running anti-Israel policy, by Israeli Defense Minister Gen. Moshe Ya’alon on Tuesday – tried to tarpedo Geneva II conference on Syria. Kerry rejected Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov’s proposal that Iran should attend the conference to be held on January 22, just the next day, he signed the interim agreement between P5+1 and Iran over Iran’s nuclear program. Kerry’s move is interpreted as a “goodwill” gesture to AIPAC and Netanyahu. Tehran has rejected invitation to attend the conference on sidelines.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/01/16/jew-authors-us-should-distance-itself-from-israel/

  190. Fiorangela says:

    One would think that someone who has made as many inane comments as I have, would quit while she’s ahead. But the corrections have been so gently and generously administered and so enlightening that I may have to invent foolish things to say just for the pleasure of being proven wrong.

    Thank you Smith for the tutorial on Western medicine.

    = = =

    Flynt and Hillary were part of a panel, “Imagining Positive US – Iran Relations” at New York University Center for Dialogues.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB8AU1wUgbg

    They presented logical arguments and handled questions from the audience with equal measures of professorial patience and firmness.

    Mohiaddin Mesbahi, Professor of Politics and International Relations at Florida International University, was also part of the panel. His analysis broke the mold, and expanded on the Leveretts’ lines of reasoning about how negotiations should most beneficially proceed. His most compelling statements occur in the last 10 or 15 minutes of the program. Mesbahi also corrected a comment by John Limbert, who tried to respond to an (idiotic, imo) question from the audience about the “threat” that Iran posed to the US, as evidenced by the plot to kill the Saudi ambassador. Limbert said such actions demonstrated Iranian weakness, not strength, and that a weakened Iran should be feared — quoting Saadi, Limbert said a cornered cat will use its claws to scratch out the eyes of a leopard.

    Mesbahi disagreed, saying that was a dangerous and inaccurate notion that was more likely to result in a US attack on Iran because it feeds into the foolish view that Congressional sanctions have “been successful” and have weakened Iran to the point that military attack would be easy.

  191. Don Bacon says:

    Diplomacy at work:

    ABU DHABI — The United Arab Emirates and Iran have reached an agreement on the three disputed islands near the Strait of Hormuz, according to a high level UAE source.

    According to the source, UAE and Iranian officials have engaged in secretive talks with the help of the Omani government over the past six months.

    “A deal has been reached and finalized on the Greater and Lesser Tunbs,” the source said. “For now, two of the three islands are to return to the UAE while the final agreement for Abu Musa is being ironed out.”

    “Iran will retain the sea bed rights around the three islands while the UAE will hold sovereignty over the land,” he said. “Oman will grant Iran a strategic location on Ras Musandam mountain, which is a very strategic point overlooking the whole gulf region.

    “In return for Ras Musandam, Oman will receive free gas and oil from Iran once a pipeline is constructed within the coming two years.”

    The source added that Oman’s role will be important in the next chapter.

    “Oman was given the green light from Iran and the US to reach deals that would decrease the threat levels in the region and offset the Saudi Arabian influence in the future by any means,” he said.

    The agreement was finalized on Dec. 24, the source said, during the visit of Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed al-Nahyan, Abu Dhabi crown prince and deputy supreme commander of the UAE Armed Forces, with Sultan Qaboos bin Said of Oman.

  192. Karl.. says:

    Don Bacon

    Almost sounds too good to be true, good diplomacy indeed. However are UAE’s claim of these islands after all, correct?

  193. fyi says:

    Don Bacon says:

    January 15, 2014 at 10:37 pm

    That must be some Arab’s fantasy; Iran will never relinquish those 3 islands.

    Iranian government will not be able to live that one down.

  194. fyi says:

    Karl.. says:

    January 16, 2014 at 2:52 am

    It might be good diplomacy for Arabs but what does Iran get out of it?

    Nothing.

    Impossible to credit the veracity of this report.

    If, however true, Mr. Khamenei, Mr. Rouhani and Mr Zarif should be impeached and removed from power.

  195. Karl.. says:

    fyi

    You are 100% correct, I was too quick on commenting on that. Its a very stupid move especially if there is a war in those waters..

  196. Don Bacon says:

    It’s a demonstration that Iran is not run by “Mad Mullahs”, thus blunting the current US anti-Iran efforts, it out-flanks Saudi Arabia and gives Iran a presence on both sides of the Strait plus a firm ally in Oman. It also remedies Iran’s diplomatic problem with UAE and solidifies Iran’s ties with UAE which is Iran’s largest trading partner after China.

    Other than those it’s nothing.

  197. fyi says:

    Don Bacon says:

    January 16, 2014 at 10:14 am

    Those things are not worth anything to Iran.

    But consider this:

    The Islamic government cannot lawfully or unlawfully relinquish sovereign Iranian territory that the Iranian monarchy had legally obtained.

    It will not happen.

  198. fyi says:

    All:

    Potentially there are opportunities for Iran in selling gas as well as permitting Japanese companies to setup shop in Iran:

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/01/15/japans_nuclear_hangover

  199. Karl.. says:

    The news about UAE/Islands seems fake, only reported on one site.

  200. fyi says:

    All:

    Not everyone in US is a jingoistic fool; there are still some sane men left in the Halls of the Mad King:

    http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/01/15/yes_marcus_they_did_die_in_vain

  201. fyi says:

    All:

    “What Iranians Think?” from Zogby:

    http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/News/4939/21/What-Iranians-think.aspx

    We read:

    “Less than a third of Iranians support the position espoused publicly by their religious leader that “nuclear weapons are wrong and no country should have them.”

  202. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    January 16, 2014 at 9:44 am

    That is right. Not even one millimeter of Iranian territory will be given away. Giving even one milometer of is the highest treason, though I have always believed that Alaska belongs to Russia and California belongs to Mexico and US should promptly give them back. The issue of the “three islands” was made by mofo/sisfo british just like the Persian Gulf controversy. It has no basis.

    How can a country that was made 4 decades ago lay claim to territories of a country that has been sitting there for the past 7000 years? UAE had taken this issue to Security council and lost and took it international court and lost. And if ever UAE tries to use force, I think Iran should take over UAE for good and also Bahrain. And that is why Iran needs nuclear weapons to act as a shield.

  203. Smith says:

    Fiorangela says:
    January 15, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    The pleasure is mine for having been given the opportunity to thank you on the account of Western medicine.

  204. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    January 16, 2014 at 11:51 am

    That is the reality. The fatwa was never binding for the people on the streets. It was for the government. It is only a matter of time before that fatwa is going to be changed seeing the reality on the ground both in failure of diplomacy which is impossible when the mad king in US is hell bent on his religious war against Iran, and due to the fact that people of Iran want it both for protection as well as for pride. Just like in tobacco protests.

    Just imagine. The soul of Saddam is very much alive an kicking even on this forum. When Saddam started his invasion of Iran on the first school day of 1980 (it was planned for first day at school with American help, purposely to demoralize Iran) he announced a list of reasons for doing so. One reason among them was the non-“issue” of the islands. Now it appears they want to make that reason alive, as I had warned earlier and use it as an excuse for US to attack Iran.

    Iran needs nuclear weapons. Mad king’s religious war is going into high gear.

  205. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    January 16, 2014 at 10:33 am

    Unfortunately Japan is a slave of US. Otherwise, perhaps Iran could offer Japan a 25 year contract for LNG at quarter of the price it is paying now and cheaper than coal, nuclear, hydroelectric and geothermal or any other type, in exchange for technology transfer and training Iranian students and managers (Absolutely no cash money, since the corrupt mafia in Iran will use it for their own nefarious ends).

  206. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    January 16, 2014 at 10:40 am

    I do not think they died in vain.

    They completed their mission. It is just that they did not know what that mission was, as like a robot that does not know its mission, it just does what it is told to do.

    Take the example of Iraq. US soldiers had been sent there to implant al-Qaida. This was their real core mission. There was no al-Qaida there before they went in. They took al-Qaida with them and dispersed them to every corner of Iraq. The cover mission to protect the core mission in public was about democracy the shitt and human rights the pisss. But that was all lies.

    Now, it is all open for everyone to see. US is helping al-Qaida tooth and nail in Syria and US help was critical in al-Qaida taking over Falluja. Any organization whether be al-qaida or mother Theresa needs funding and this comes from trusted buddy of US the “Democratic Kingdom of Najd”.

    You see, people forget. US took al-qaida to Iraq, trained them like hell in a live training exercise pitting his own soldiers against alqaida while they were being funded by “Democratic Kingdom of Najd” and their british advisors. I guess, it was in Basrah, when the Shia police had arrested these alqaida british advisors who were helping alqaida to recruit and start up a shia-sunni war.

    Then when alqaida was trained, US stopped killing them and started arming them and giving them queen sized suitcases full of dollars, telling them to wait till US pulls out. These are well documented events.

    In Afghanistan too, US has tried to transform alqaida/taliban to a more lethal and loyal form. You see taliban has killed more ordinary people in afghanistan/Pakistan than US soldiers. Those soldiers killed there, died in live training exercise to create more lethal taliban. In fact Pakistan has been officially accusing US of supporting the taliban in Pakistan. And we should not forget that both taliban and alqaida were originally invented by US.

    As is clear, United States is engaged in a religious war and it supports wahabis to the point of arming, training, funding and supporting them to the fullest extent possible. Even if that means, their own soldiers have to be killed to train taliban or for their ambassador to be killed to protect the cover story.

  207. James Canning says:

    Smith,

    Preposterous cotnention, by you: that “core miossion” of US invasion of Iraq was to “implant” al-qaeda in that country.

    You are confusing the bad result from the idiotic invasion, with the purpose of that invasion.

  208. James Canning says:

    In a letter to The Times (London ) Jan. 3rd, Sir Roger Tomkys argued that the people of Syria would benefit from an end to the civil war, leaving the current government in power. Sir Roger was British Ambassador to Syria 1984-86,

  209. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    January 16, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    The fact remains that the United States, together with Saudi Arabia and other members of the “Coalition of the Willing” planted the seeds of what became Al Qaeda in Afghanistan in 1980s.

    [Analogous approach had been taken by US and South Africa against Mozambique – psychopaths were recruited and given weapons and instructions to engage in mayhem there; such as cutting off women’s breasts…

    in Afghanistan, Mr. Wayne Wright, their recruiter, publicly stated: “We knew what we were doing…”]

    This was reprised against Syria by US, EU, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Jordan.

    When UK ruled Ireland and India, tens of millions of people died of famine. When UK left, famines ended.

    Intentions count for nil; one has to look at the results….

  210. Rd. says:

    “A senior Iranian lawmaker reiterates Iran’s eternal ownership of the three Persian Gulf islands of Abu Musa, the Greater Tunb and the Lesser Tunb, voicing Tehran’s readiness to clear misunderstandings on the issue.

    “Our policy on the United Arab Emirates, as we have repeatedly said, is that we are ready to negotiate with the country to clear misunderstandings,” Chairman of the Majlis National Security and Foreign Policy Committee Alaeddin Boroujerdi said Monday.

    “It is natural that the three islands are an inseparable part of the Islamic Republic’s soil and its territorial integrity which are not negotiable.” Boroujerdi pointed out.”

    http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/12/02/337877/iran-ready-to-resolve-islands-dispute/

  211. Smith says:

    Human rights, ha? You mofo’s: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canadian-alzheimer-s-patient-alois-dvorzac-dies-in-u-k-deportation-centre-1.2499370

    If this thing had happened in Iran, by now BBC and CNN had taken off the kheshtak of every Iranian around the world.

  212. Rd. says:

    “He is exhorting the government now to “recalibrate” its general approach to foreign policy and fine-tune it according to the realities prevailing on the ground.”

    Pres Gul spoke during a luncheon at the Presidential Palace for Turkish ambassadors who are currently serving abroad and at home, and who had gathered in Ankara for the 6th annual Ambassador’s Conference, attended by FM Davutoglu .

    Gul calls for reset of Turkey’s Syria policy

    Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/01/turkey-gul-syria-policy-reset-erdogan-davutoglu.html#ixzz2qawdjOjD

  213. Richard Steven Hack says:

    New analysis of rocket used in Syria chemical attack undercuts U.S. claims
    http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/01/15/5488779/new-analysis-of-rocket-used-in.html

    In other words, Obama lied…again…

  214. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Smith claimed that the US intended to entrench al-Qaeda in Iraq. Absurd claim. The intention of the neocons who conspired to set up the illegal invasion of Iraq was partly to get rich personally, and partly to “protect” Israel.

  215. Smith says:

    British agents are arrested while training alqaida using car bombs against shias: http://www.globalresearch.ca/british-uncover-operation-in-basra-agents-provocateurs/990

    And in Afghanistan uk/nato were using helicopters to transport taliban here and there, in effect acting like the aviation arm of taliban.

    In Libya they even released alqaida from Guantanamo and gave them money, weapons and resources to take over Libya (with british airforce acting as their protector in skies).

    Syrian story is now fresh and well known.

    britain created wahabism and put najd in charge of Hejaz (again this is documented).

  216. Smith says:

    Why Iran would need nuclear attack submarines in coming years: http://www.businessinsider.com/us-missile-tests-send-message-to-iran-2014-1

    Without nuclear attack submarines, it will not be possible to paralyze and sink a much larger and sophisticated navy like the US Navy. As said earlier, Iran should go the way French navy went with its Rubi class submarine; reverse engineer kilo class with a 60% enriched uranium fueled nuclear reactor.

  217. Smith says:

    Why one can not trust US and why Iran would need a nuclear weapons, with a deal or not:
    http://swampland.time.com/2014/01/16/hillary-clinton-discussed-u-s-approval-of-an-israeli-strike-on-iran/

  218. Kathleen says:

    Several times on MSNBC’s UP program Chris Hayes went where no other talking head on MSNBC has gone on the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Now going where others are not willing to go..the truth about who is pushing the U.S. closer to a military conflict with Iran.

    Worth the watch and listen
    http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/democrats-stop-trying-to-start-another-war-118006851793

  219. nico says:

    http://presstv.com/detail/2014/01/17/346106/terrorists-cannot-oust-governments-iran/

    Rouhani strong and principled statement.
    All is said and well said.
    It is nice stone in Zionisr, Anglo and western shoe.
    So much for Kerry Syria Geneva I and II objectives.

    “If a government thinks that it can topple another government in the region and increase its [own] influence and power by supporting terrorists, it is 100 percent wrong,” President Rouhani said in an address to the 27th International Islamic Unity Conference in Tehran on Friday.
    Syria has been gripped by a deadly conflict since 2011. According to reports, the Western powers and their regional allies – especially Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey – are supporting the militants operating inside Syria.Rouhani said the enemies of Islam and Muslims have always pursued two evil goals: to create and to deepen rifts among Muslims.
    “Big and Western powers who are after their own interests in the region and seek to get their claws on the resources of Muslim countries, particularly in the oil and gas sectors, have always followed two ominous goals, namely to deepen divisions and to spread Islamophobia in the public opinion of the world,” the Iranian president stated.”

  220. BiBiJon says:

    Dr. Cordesman’s Assessment:

    Iran will/should pursue, at an unaffordable cost, nuclear parity, or at least conventional military parity with the United States.

    Excuse me for not being shocked and awed by this kind of self-referential analysis. Also, forgive me for not bothering to remind Cordesman that US’ incredible military power has failed to augur an advantageous outcome in theater after theater for over 30 years.

    Iran would be stupid to fold her winning hand, and do anything remotely resembling what Cordesman likes to have nightmares about. To begin with, Iran would have to be crazy to threaten her neighbors. This is not theoretical. Even when a lot is at stake, e.g. Syria, one cannot but help notice the absence of any threats emanating from Iran to Qatar, KSA, Jordan, etc. Indeed, so non-existent is the threat of retaliation, that KSA’s proxies are even using KSA-supplied CW in Syria.

    Why in such circumstances Iran keeps coming on top, while others despite limitless cash, armies of cannibals, and the US’ military prowess come up short, time, and time again, is not the kind of question Cordesman is capable of asking himself, let lone answering.

    But the answer is rather simple. To quote the Leveretts, Iran aligns herself with ingenious entities, who have genuinely popular aspirations, and grassroots support; those entities prevail, and those who go against them lose credibility the harder they try to oppress the majoritarian, legitimate aspirations.

    Cordesman’s job is to try and give a credible reason why Iran should adopt a hegemonic posture and back it up with military force. That has nothing to do with Iran’s actual strategy, and everything to do with selling Patriot missiles to Sheik Ya’boutis.

  221. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Like the good doctor from Mississippi said:

    The rural healthcare system in Iran is “a miracle”.

    Deal with it.

    Iranian doctors are at the forefront of many new medical technologies and creating completely new fields of medicine.

    Deal with it.

    Western doctors are increasingly using medical wisdom from around the world in complementary medicine where western medicine handles surgery and acute matters and other schools deal with prevention and chronic matters.

    Deal with it.

    Next time closet-case get’s ill, we’ll fly him out to London for treatment instead of having him treated in one of the excellent hospitals in Iran.

    Oh I sorry forgot, he lives in Haifa…

    Also:

    As we speak, Iran is successfully deterring the US without a nuclear arsenal.

    Deal with it.

    Accepting reality is a sign of sound mental health.

    Futhermore:

    Nice to see that the forum is turning into a love fest between you-know-which-two.

    We’ll just try not to throw up.

    Since Bismarck was mentioned, he would have called this situation for the rest of us “Zwangsbeglueckung”.

    (Hint for IQ 147: type it into Google translate).

  222. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    The honorable oil minister Mr.Zanganeh officially invites Shell and BP back to Iran.

    Apparently he will be traveling to London in the near future…forget about the billions they owe Iran.

    http://www.bibaknews.com/shownews.php?idnews=97054

    Like I said, it’s all about keeping the great, juicy “loghmeh” called Iran within western corporate control.

    God forbid Sherkate Naft would grow so large and powerful as to take over one of the western oil companies.

    Perish that thought.

    When SL told Jenabe Zarif during last time he was in charge, that we should move away from exporting crude oil as the basis of our economy his response was: “is this even possible?”

    Khak tu saret

    Of course not when your life and the life of our political group and friends is dependent on commissions from western corporations.

    Whenever Zarif or Rohani cuddle up to Russia- like it happened today- know that the real deal is being made somewhere else.

  223. Rehmat says:

    “Bankrupt at home and abroad, Syria underscores the inescapable fact that Washington is a spent geopolitical player,” said Finian Cunningham, a prominent British expert in international affairs and author.

    Since the arrival of Hizbullah fighter in Syria a few months ago, the US-Israel- Saudi funded anti-Assad rebels, both secularists and Salaafi/Wahabi (Takfiri) are in panic and don’t know how to fight Syrian army except killing the civilian population. As result, they have turned their guns on each others.

    In order to continue arming anti-Assad rebels, the US has divided these rebels into “good terrorist (democrats)” and “bad terrorists (al-Qaeda)”. There is no denying the fact that so-called “al-Qaeda” is in fact a CIA-Mossad front. The al-Qaeda terrorists in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Syria, etc., were all supplied by Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other US-puppet regimes in Gulf States. Al-Qaeda’s main purpose is to demonize Muslims and Islam – thus help the US to invade Muslim nation-states for Israel.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/01/08/us-to-arm-good-terrorists-in-syria/

  224. Smith says:

    Corrupt, liar, torturer, rapist, hypocrite mofo’s love to eat German wheat: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/17/grain-iran-idUSL5N0KR1OY20140117

    Then they talk about German economy.

  225. fyi says:

    Rehmat says:

    January 17, 2014 at 10:44 am

    The undeclared wars against Syria and Iran demonstrates that the legal structures of the Axis Powers is hollow: wars can be waged without popular & democratic consent.

    Furthermore, 20 million people in Iran can be pushed into poverty and another 7 million (one third of the population) made into refugees without nary a peep out of the so-called Human Rights orgamizations that are domiciled in Europe and North America.

    Evidently, neither Iranians nor Syrians are human beings.

  226. fyi says:

    All:

    A few somewhat sensible comments from Dr. Perkovich – whose advice has been consistently ignored by US leaders and planners over the last 10 years.

    http://carnegieendowment.org/2014/01/15/iran-sanctions/gykm

  227. James Canning says:

    Rehmat,

    Israel had little or nothing to do with the Anglo-French decision to attack Libya.

  228. James Canning says:

    BiBiJon,

    The US steadily erodes its strength, by foolish squandering of trillions of dollars on unnecessary weapons, foolish military adventures in the greater Middle East, etc etc. Cordesman likes to ignore that fact.

  229. James Canning says:

    Kathleen,

    Don’t miss Jon Stewart’s send-up of the Aipac stooges in the US Senate and the Israeli defence minister, the other night. (Avaialable at Mondoweiss.net)

  230. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Matthew Kroenig often appears most eager to give cover to Aipac stooges in the US Congress.

  231. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    “Israel had little or nothing to do with the Anglo-French decision to attack Libya.”

    What is good for Israel and who decides it ?
    Surely the Israeli citizens do not decide.
    However the worldwide jewish zionist oligarchy pushed for the Lybia war and decide what is good for Israel and has the power to doing so.
    At least in France.
    Bernard Henri Levy clearly stated on french MSM that according to him the Lybian war was good for Israel and that as a jew he supported that war. That was one of his rationale.
    Those statements are available on youtube (in french).
    And you know that he hold a special position in the jewish lobby in France.
    He actually officialy visited the french prendential office to lobby for war and himself claimed to be a major contributor to the decision making.
    Whether it is the real decisive decision factor or not remain to be seen.
    Though it is obvious falsehood to say that the Lybian war was not subject to zionist lobbying.
    And it cleary participated to the decision making

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36927.htm

    The truth or the matter is that the jewish lobby ane oligarchy has been for centuries hand in hand with westerners to dominate muslims.
    That is western and jewish family business.
    Period.

    Clear and undeniable proof of that is the 1870 “Cremieux decree”
    Cremieux was a french jew.
    ttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Cr%C3%A9mieux

    “While in the government of the national defence, he secured full citizenship for the Jews in French-ruled Algeria, through the Crémieux Decree (décret no 136 du 24 octobre 1870). The decree allowed for native Algerian Jews to become French citizens while Muslim Arabs and Berbers were excluded and remained under the second-class ‘indigenous’ status outlined in the Code de l’Indigénat. This set the scene for deteriorating relations between the Muslim and Jewish communities, and proved fateful in the Algerian War of Independence, after which the vast majority of Algerian Jews emigrated to France.”

    That is old story.
    And trying tl dissociat wetern ane jewish goals is just serious BS.

  232. fyi says:

    Karl.. says:

    January 17, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    She was one of the architects of the undeclared war of the Axis Powers against Syria – together with Mr. Danilon and Dr. Slaughter.

    It reminds me of the Brazil-Uruguay-Argentina’s war against Paraguay – instigated by the English who controlled Uruguay – the country that they had created.

  233. Karl.. says:

    Netanyahu in Jordan focus on Iran

    http://inagist.com/all/424127417112735744/

    Jordanian king is such a slime. Bet he told Netanyahu all about what Iran said.

  234. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    Yes, Bernard-Henri Levy played a key role in bringing about the Anglo-French attack on Libya.

  235. Fiorangela says:

    fyi says:

    January 17, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    Michael Scharf is acting dean of the law school at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, OH. He discussed his book on international law at the City Club in Cleveland recently. The focus of his book is the “Grotian moment,” when an international action or concept becomes the “customary law” in the international arena. http://www.booktv.org/Watch/15187/Customary+International+Law+in+Times+of+Fundamental+Change.aspx

    The Treaty of Westphalia, which followed the concepts of Grotius, is the starting point for customary law, said Scharf. The Nuremberg trials produced later and seminally important benchmarks of customary law, among them the concepts that

    — a leader of a country or nation is not immune to trial for “war crimes;” and that
    — “just following orders” is not a defense in the commission of “war crimes”

    Scharf and his interviewer, the president of the City Club, agreed that the customary law emerging from Nuremberg “made the world a better place.”

    But several aspects of the Nuremberg Trials are troubling. Several of the judges and lawyers who presided over the trials have stated and written that the trials were egregiously unfair; A. J. P. Taylor wrote in “The Origins of World War II” that the trials were prosecuted in a manner to serve the needs, and to hide the guilt, of the prosecuting entities as much if not more than to discover and punish the guilty.

    There is extensive evidence that witnesses at Nuremberg were tortured to gain their “confessions,” which provided the only evidence against them.

    As William Shirer notes in “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich,” the case of Germany in the WWII era is unique in all of history in that the records of the adversary were captured by the victors. Those documents were cherry-picked by the prosecution in a manner that would not stand tests for evidence in any American court.

    No real defense was mounted at the Nuremberg trials.

    For such important principles of “customary international law” to be based on such an unsound proceeding surely weakens the credibility of international law.

    And it is obvious from the fact that, for example, the US CIA has rampaged around the world, subverting and overthrowing governments at will; destabilizing governments whose policies were at variance with the corporate clients of leaders of the CIA, as was the case when the Dulles brothers were heads of CIA while simultaneously principals in a law firm whose clients included the bank that had a major interest in Anglo Persian Oil when CIA overthrew the Mossadeqh government, that the United States has retained the attitude that as WWII victor, not even the laws it produced in the kangaroo court at Nuremberg apply to it.

    George H. W. Bush invaded Iraq not with the goal of liberating Kuwait — that was a pretext — but in order to establish a New World Order and collect on the “promises” of having won World War II which produced the Nuremberg court. His ultimate goal in invading Iraq in 1990-91 was the toppling of the government of Saddam Hussein, an action otherwise impermissible under existing law.

    George W. Bush completed what his father began, and in the process committed unambiguous war crimes and crimes against humanity. He has not been brought to justice under the customary law that emerged from the Nuremberg trials.

    It seems to me that the position of American soldiers who fight in wars such as those joined by George W. Bush are in a fraught situation: they are not draftees, they are employees of the US government, they apply for the opportunity to fight, in exchange for pay, in the wars engaged by their commanders. But if those wars are crimes against humanity, and if “just following orders” is not a defense, is any member of the US military exempt from prosecution for war crimes under the customary law that emerged from Nuremberg?

    Are the students in Prof. Scharf’s classrooms at Case Western Reserve University posing these questions?

  236. James Canning says:

    Fiorangela,

    George H W Bush had an agreement with the Soviet Union that the US would not seek to overthrow Saddam Hussein, in the event the US decided it needed to destroy Saddam’s army (because he was too stupid to withdraw from Kuwait in a timely fashion).

  237. Fiorangela says:

    James Canning says: January 17, 2014 at 7:17 pm

    James, do you have a source for your declamation, because it differs from Jeffrey Engel’s report of what he found when searching the archives of G H W Bush’s papers on the decision to go to Iraq and also the decision not to march into Baghdad to topple Saddam. According to Engel, Bush’s team was “99%” certain” that the people of Iraq would rise up and remove Saddam themselves. http://c-spanvideo.org/program/Intothe

    Hillary Leverett said in one of the speeches I linked earlier on this page that “never in history have sanctions resulted in inciting a population to overthrow their government.

    Against that historical record, Engel said that “if you asked the team today, they would make exactly the same decision” — that is, they would expect the citizens of a nation to side with an invading, punishing or sanctioning agent and overthrow their own government. The US Congress is proceeding with the same ahistorical certitude in sanctioning Iran.

    As to you gratuitous assertion that “Saddam was too stupid” to withdraw from Kuwait, in “King’s Counsel,” Vernon Loeb completed Jack O’Connell’s memoir of O’Connell’s service to Jordan’s King Hussein, including their strenuous efforts to resolve the conflict between Iraq and Kuwait. Saddam Hussein had agreed to cooperate in a peaceful resolution, as had other leaders of the Arab states. But George Bush needed a pretext to get his empire on, to lay the foundations for his “new world order,” so the plans and even pleas of the Arab leaders to let them resolve their own problems among themselves were swept aside.

    Saddam was not “stupid.” He and a few million no longer living Iraqi people were the victims of Bush’s hubris and imperial ambition. With which England and Tony Blair were full partners. As one might expect.

  238. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    “Yes, Bernard-Henri Levy played a key role in bringing about the Anglo-French attack on Libya.”

    The jewish zionist lobby network and the western free mason secularist network are in league for centuries.
    That is a religious and ideological alliance to destroy christianity and islam.
    Jewish and secularist reasons might differ but they have the same goals.

    It is day dreaming to expect western and jewish wedge in such secularist configuration.
    The only way for muslims to get their right recognized is to change the balance of power in the ME region and beyond.

  239. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Haj Aghas and fans at the big game.

    http://farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13921028000731

  240. fyi says:

    Fiorangela says:

    January 17, 2014 at 5:56 pm

    I do not think it matters any longer what the good Professor says or what the students think.

    The East and West block during the Cold War, and the Axis Powers since then have destroyed and shredded what was built after the end of World War II as far as International Law is concerned.

    In Washington DC, mentioning the Principles of the Peace of Westphalia only gets you laughed at.

    The fact is that there is no international law any longer – as a deterrent or as an inducement – and the Principles of Peace of Westphalia was an attempt at creation of European jus tied to that land.

    We are in the age of Warring States – like the one the preceded the establishment of the Chinese Empire – but this time with no end in sight since the geography of the planet prevents the emergence of a Global Hegemon.

    Americans have spent 2 trillion dollars on war over 12 years and, at the same time, are whining that they do not have money to pay for the surgery to fix the congenital hard defect of this young ditch digger. Let him die, they say, digging ditches while we bomb some one at the far corners of the Earth.

    This is madness.

  241. Photi says:

    fyi,

    interesting comments by Jack Straw. as i said before, from the perspective of the Western powers (Israel included), no deal now with Iran ensures a worse deal later on. we are past the point of maximum leverage, from here on out the sanctions degrade.

    Straw’s main message is to Israel, or more specifically, to Prime Minister Netanyahu: This is the best deal Israel is going to get [and really, this is Israel’s deal] and so he should get on board for the sake of Israel.

  242. Photi says:

    Straw’s message to Mr. Obama: “Whether a comprehensive deal on Iran can be reached will crucially depend on how far Mr Obama is able to resist the intense lobbying (and financial support) Mr Netanyahu is able to muster in the US Congress. Hopefully, Mr Obama will be as dismissive of Mr Netanyahu’s myopia as was Mr Sharon.”

  243. Kathleen says:

    Yes James caught that Stewart piece. But took Jon Stewart and team almost a decade of being on air to touch the I lobby or Israeli leaders the way they go after other groups and leaders. But when they do they go at it.

    Although clearly Stewart will only go so far on Iran. In the past he has referred to Iran’s nuclear program as a “nuclear weapons program” He has fueled inflammatory myths about Iran. And will not ever state the facts that as a signatory to the NPT Iran has the legal right to enrich up to 20% for proven peaceful purposes. Stewart will not go there. And of course will not talk about Israel’s massive stockpile of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons that are not inspected by the international community because Israel has and continues to refuse to sign the NPT. Stewart dips his toes in and we all celebrate but tell the whole truth..Stewart and his writers are only willing to go as far as the gates have opened.

    Really something the way Jon Stewart chose to spin that the money the U.S. “was giving” Iran was from our pockets and not Iranian money that had been locked up by sanctions.

  244. James Canning says:

    Kathleen,

    Fair comments re: Jon Stewart. I noticed the same things you did. But still funny, and welcome.

    Too much truth re: Iran and Israel, and the show would be cancelled.

  245. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Interesting assessment by the Economist that you linked today. I doubt China or Russia would be keen to break ranks with the other members of the P5+1.

  246. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    The total cost to the US of its military adventures in the Middle East since 2002 will exceed $4 trillion.

  247. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    Bernard-Henri Levy was able to convince his good friend Sarkozy to intervene in LIbya, thanks in good part to the atrocious public relations put out by Gaddafi. Had Gaddafi listened to the advice of the number of European diplomats addressing the unrest in Libya, the Anglo-French attack on Libya might have been averted.

  248. James Canning says:

    Fiorangela,

    I will look for online confirmation of the deal George H W Bush made with Gorbachev, not to overthrow Saddam Hussein (after Iraqi army was driven out of Kuwait in 1991).

    If the Shia had overthrown Saddam, that would not have been covered by the agreement.

    Primakov would not have told Saddam to save his army by getting out of Kuwait, if Primakov had believed the US would destroy Saddam’s army anyway.

  249. Fiorangela says:

    James, Based solely on Jeffrey Engel’s comments in the video linked above and information in his book, “Into the Desert,” that was the basis of the video-talk, G H W Bush was in very close communication with Gorbachev in the run-up to and prosecution of the invasion of Iraq 1990-91. Engel says that Gorbachev phoned Bush so frequently, and harangued him so urgently NOT to invade Iraq, that Bush became impatient with Gorb. on more than one occasion, and shouted at him to back off.

  250. fyi says:

    Fiorangela says:

    January 18, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    USSR did not have the power to prevent attack on Iraq.

    Today, Russia, the successor state to USSR, does not have the power to prevent Axis Power attacks on any neighbouring state – including Iran.

    Mr. Gorbachev knew he could do nothing to prevent the US attack; he was trying to salvage something for USSR.

    For USSR, as well as for Russia, the only sensible geopolitical course of action is the strengthening of the neighbouring states; which is what the Russian leaders have assiduously avoided in case Iran.

    The weakening of Iran, a major goal of Russian diplomacy over the last 12 years, paradoxically, could and would bring the war that they wished to avoid – World War III.

    I think the Russian leaders and planners have finally grasped the depth of US degeneration and are making a course correction. They never had any other alternative, in my opinion, any way.

  251. Fiorangela says:

    Kathleen says: January 18, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    I don’t have a functioning tv so don’t tune in to Stewart. It’s a tragedy – as Zbig Brzezinski said — that Americans are as ignorant as they are, but it’s not surprising inasmuch as they get their geopolitical information and history lessons from comedians and propagandists.

    That’s bad enough.

    I just listened to Jos. Cirincione flak his new book (which is a regurgitation of his old books) at a World Affairs meetup in Charlotte, NC. It was head-exploding mind-numbing internally contradictory and a rehash of every tidbit of misinformation and demonization of Iran that the American sheeple have been dosed with for the past generation or two.

    Cirincione had the balls to praise Netnyahu’s UN cartoon speech, and point to Netanyahu’s “red line” as a legitimate basis for compelling Iranian compliance.

    Here is the schedule of Cirincione’s remaining book talks —
    Events

    April 23, 2014
    Drexel University

    Philadelphia, PA

    ——————————————————————————–

    April 10-11, 2014
    Skoll World Forum

    Oxford, England

    ——————————————————————————–

    April 7-10, 2014
    Conference on World Affairs

    Boulder, CO

    ——————————————————————————–

    February 3, 2014
    The Elliot School of International Affairs at George Washington Univeristy

    Washington, DC

    ——————————————————————————–

    January 29, 2014
    Chicago Council on Global Affairs

    Chicago, IL

    and a link to his website with more info about the talk times and locations as well as the first chapter of the book — http://www.nuclearnightmaresbook.com/

    If anyone has the opportunity to attend one of these events, may I suggest you be prepared to debunk Cirincione’s falsehoods — i.e. “Iran came to the table because of sanctions and sanctions were effective but sanctions have never been effective in bringing a nation into compliance but it would be a mistake to increase sanctions because then it would be the US that is at fault for breaking the agreement but sanctions work …”

    Take along your copy of Going to Tehran as an appropriate antidote to the poisonous information Cirincione will be handing out.

  252. Fiorangela says:

    fyi says:
    January 18, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    I agree, fyi. It is precisely because US and FSU were in the early stages of rapprochement, and more precisely, because USSR was no longer a challenger/balancer to US power, that Bush perceived the vacuum, the unipolar moment, and seized it. As Flynt Leverett has said on several occasions, the Persian Gulf war marked USA’s “imperial pivot.”

  253. humanist says:

    Chris Hayes (courageously?) joins super corrupt NYT, WaPo etc who surprisingly deviated from the Likud’s defined lines.

    http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/democrats-stop-trying-to-start-another-war-118006851793

    Why? I for one, unlike the majority of observers, have no clear cut answer for all the amazing puzzling stuff that are going on recently such as the dramatic game-play of war with Syria and then quickly stepping out of the bloody hole into the shiny environs of peace…. such as agreement with Iran… the French game etc etc.

    I am very suspicious and still see dark clouds of wars over the horizon.

    I have reasons for such cynicism.

    However I deeply and truly hope I am utterly wrong and and current West/US administrations, with their horrific bloody deceptive records under the guidance of Likudniks, are really serious about some sort of rapprochement with spy/ traitor-infested Iran.

    All this just when what Wesley Clark told us to expect about 6 years ago? ….just when the project is near its completion?

    Watch what he said here:

    ,http://fora.tv/2007/10/03/Wesley_Clark_A_Time_to_Lead/Wesley_Clark_on_America_s_Foreign_Policy__Coup_

  254. James Canning says:

    Fiorangela,

    Gorbachev sent Primakov to Baghdad, in effort to get Saddam’s army out of Kuwait before it was destroyed by the US.

    I think it was most unfortunate that Saddam was too stupid to get out of Kuwiat.

    On January 9, 1991, Jim Baker told tariq Aziz that the US would not attack the Iraqi army if Saddam pulled out of Kuwait.

  255. James Canning says:

    Fiorangela,

    Brezhnev pleaded with Nixon in 1973, to force Israel out of the Sinai. In order to avoid a war between Egypt and Israel. Nixon refused, regrettably.

  256. James Canning says:

    Fiorangela,

    George H W Bush tried to avoid war in the Gulf, and even after the UNSC resolution authorising war in event Iraq failed to get out of Kuwiat, Bush proposed to send Jim Baker to Baghdad (at end of November 1990), in hopes of achieving a deal and avoiding war. Bush caught a great deal of flak, for making that offer.

  257. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    You play down the role of stupidity, on the part of Saddam Hussein.

  258. BiBiJon says:

    Patrick Cockburn:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/peace-possible-in-syria-as-political-landscape-changes-9069457.html

    Mr Kerry: “How do you ask [a Syrian] to be the last man to die for a mistake?”

    James Canning: “Is the last man stupid or not?”

  259. BiBiJon says:

    fyi says:
    January 18, 2014 at 3:48 pm

    Any more stupid assessments from Cordesman, and I’ll send James after him.

    “Intelligence duel” is to “trust and verify”, what “permanent state of pre-hostility” is to “peace.” They are synonymous.

    I hesitate to call him stupid (fearing James’ reflexes) but Cordesman looks through the barrel of a gun, and surprise! (NOT) everything is framed in a circle.

  260. Unknown Unknowns says:

    fyi:

    re: the link you posted to the short article in the Economist.

    Interesting what it says in the end about the possible Iranian strategy of extending the “interim” agreement every six months. But more interesting to me, at the beginning of the article, was the use of the term “seizing” Iranian assets in Western banks.

    Has $100 billion ($120 b.?) really been “seized”. Is it out of our control? Or is it just that we cannot transfer it via SWIFT etc.? (Can we, say, buy gold with it and move the gold to Iran??) Is the world financial system so completely dominated by the West that we are basically powerless, and the West can crush us (financially – our ability to carry out any sort of international trade) if and when it wants to???

    I think understanding this aspect is key, because if the answer is affirmative, talk of the sanctions regime “collapsing” is irrelevant wishful thinking.