Moscow and Riyadh’s Shifting Strategies In the Context of American Decline

Al-Arabiyya has published a provocatively interesting commentary by Theodore Karasik, titled “Moscow to Play Negotiator, Riyadh Holds the Keys.”  To read the piece online, click here; we’ve also appended the text below.

Karasik, a regular columnist for the Saudi-owned al-Arabiyya, is also Director of Research at the Institute for Near East and Gulf Military Analysis (INEGMA) in Dubai.  He strikes us as well-informed about strategic debates and decision-making in Saudi Arabia and other Arab monarchies in the Persian Gulf; for this reason, his most recent column merits attention.

Karasik’s article examines what he sees as intensifying efforts by Russia and Saudi Arabia to collaborate in managing various contested Middle Eastern arenas—including Iraq, Syria, and Egypt—with Iran as a critical point of reference for Russian and Saudi calculations.

–According to Karasik, Moscow and Riyadh both view the current crisis in Iraq as an opening to remove incumbent Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, whom the Russians as well as the Saudis consider problematic with Iyad Allawi, whom Russia and Saudi Arabia alike consider “the best candidate to run Iraq” and whom the Saudis believe the Kremlin can get “Iran and Iraqi Shiites to accept.”

–Karasik contends that the Russians have already helped persuade the Saudis to come back to the “Geneva process” for conflict resolution in Syria—a “significant development” signaling that “Syrian President Bashar Assad’s election on June 3 for another term is cemented as Russia wants and which Riyadh now appears to see as critical for Syria’s stability.  Iran will be happy with this outcome because their efforts supporting Assad with military and financial aid are paying off.  Iran is close to the Kremlin, and Russia will be able to negotiate between Riyadh and Tehran in a way to please both parties in the Syrian outcome.”

–As to Egypt, Karasik assigns “critical importance” to Saudi King Abdullah’s visit there, which highlighted Riyadh’s interest in holding up Egyptian strongman as “a model that needs to be emulated in the Levant:  a strong ruler who is able to stifle the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic extremists.”  Alongside Moscow’s strong support for Sisi, political developments in Egypt underscore the extent to which “the Kingdom and the Kremlin see eye to eye across the region.”  And, from a Saudi perspective, “this cooperation may be acceptable to Iran since such activity does not hurt the Islamic Republic’s interests—at least for the time being given the threat of Sunni extremists.”

We are more skeptical than Karasik that Russia can actually “sell” these propositions in Tehran—or, on some points, that Moscow would necessarily want to sell them.  However, Karasik’s piece provides a revealing window into at least some official views on the Arab side of the Persian Gulf on the Middle East in a period of what the Saudis, the Russians, and just about everyone else see as declining American influence in the region.

Of course, American influence in the Middle East is declining as a consequence of George W. Bush’s “imperial overreach” on steroids.  American influence is also declining because of Barack Obama’s perpetuation of Bush’s disastrous course, with military interventions in Libya and, less overtly, in Syria that have reinvigorated al-Qai’da-like jihadi extremism and set the stage for the dramatic rise of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

It is in this context that Moscow finds multiple openings through which to expand its own regional influence—and, in the process, to push back at an arrogant superpower that, ignoring its own relative decline, continues to intrude ever more assertively on important Russian interests.  It is also in this context that Riyadh—for so long a major facilitator of America’s hegemonic ambitions in the Middle East—is looking for other external powers that can help advance the Kingdom’s regional agenda.

Moscow to Play Negotiator, Riyadh Holds the Keys

by Theodore Karasik

A flurry of diplomatic activity is occurring between Riyadh and Moscow over not only Iraq but Syria.  Russia is seeking to play the role of negotiator on all questions and Saudi Arabia holds the keys.  If successful, Russia stands to gain substantially at the expense of the United States.  The Kingdom engagement policy with the Russians may indeed produce peace dividends and further alter the geopolitical landscape.

Russian Foreign Affairs Minister Sergei Lavrov arrived in Jeddah two days ago discussing the Levant crisis with senior Saudi officials.  The talks follow a meeting on June 3 between Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal and Russian President Vladimir Putin in Sochi.  On June 9, Lavrov and Prince Saud held a telephone conversation on ways to resolve the crisis in Syria.  On June 20, Putin called embattled Iraqi President Nouri al-Maliki to give him support in the attempts by Iraqi parties and other countries to force him to step down.  Putin confirmed Russia’s “full support for the Iraqi government’s action to quickly free the territory of the republic from terrorists.”  This flurry of activity shows that the Kremlin wants to play a major role in settling the situation in the Levant that leaves America out of the picture.

Russia proves its point

Russia’s role as a mediator in the Near East and in other conflict zones is not new.  During the air war over Serbia, then Russian Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin negotiated a halt to America’s air campaign that raised the ire of Moscow.  For more than a decade, Russian foreign policy has ostensibly been against intervention of foreign powers in the affairs of other sovereign nations and it has increasingly viewed the Middle East as a good example to prove its point, highlighting the chaos and violence following direct U.S.-Western military action or support in various states.  In addition, the Kremlin has positioned itself as a peacemaker, trying to avert the same Western mistakes in Syria by pushing for a solution to the country’s internal conflict that does not involve U.S. military action and making America and Western Europe the villains.  Notably, Russia’s role in finding a solution to the use of chemical weapon in Syria and halting “American aggression” is seen as a diplomatic win for the Kremlin by some Arab officials.

The Kingdom and the Kremlin agreed to return to the Geneva 1 process which is to find a political transition in Syria.  This is a significant development that signals that Syrian President Bashar Assad’s election on June 3 for another term is cemented as Russia wants and which Riyadh now appears to see as critical for Syria’s stability.  Iran will be happy with this outcome because their efforts supporting Assad with military and financial aid are paying off.  Iran is close to the Kremlin, and Russia will be able to negotiate between Riyadh and Tehran in a way to please both parties in the Syrian outcome.  Time will tell what that political transition will look like.

Riyadh’s distrust of America

ISIS’s tidal wave in Iraq played right into Kremlin arguments about how the failures of “global color revolutions” led by the “American-Atlanticist Community” wreck countries and leave them wide open to terrorist infiltration.  Russia’s fresh diplomatic offensive is based on the new conceptual, doctrinal outlook from Moscow and is now being presented to the Saudis as a reason for the Levant’s woes and especially the unfolding catastrophic debacle in Iraq.  The Kingdom seems to be buying the argument, and well they should, based on Riyadh’s distrust of America.

ISIS’s activity in Iraq is reminding the Saudis how opposed they were to American invasion and occupation of Iraq.  Consequently, the events are giving the Kingdom “a ground-hog day moment” according to an Arab official.

During their meeting in Jeddah, Lavrov and Saud also said efforts should be made to “maintain the integrity of Iraq and the unity of all the components of the Iraqi people, who should benefit from equality of rights and duties.”  Clearly this is a signal that the Kingdom and the Kremlin want to find a middle ground for Iraqi state stability while at the same time finding a possible solution to the leadership crisis in Baghdad.  According to an Arab official, Riyadh and Moscow agree that Ayad Allawi is the best candidate to run Iraq as he has had close ties to Kingdom and Kremlin in the past.  In addition, the key is Assad:  All sides now see that Assad and the stability of Syria is now key and is part of the deal to getting Alawi into power in Baghdad.  Clearly, the Saudis see the Russians are able to exercise their good ties with Iran and Iraqi Shiites to accept Allawi.

Also of critical importance during this sequence of events is King Abdullah’s visit to Egypt.  This visit to Egypt to support Egyptian President Sisi is full of significance and importance because Saudi Arabia sees Egypt as the core of the Middle East.  The Kingdom also sees that Al-Sisi represents a model that needs to be emulated in the Levant:  a strong ruler who is able to stifle the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic extremists.  Moscow’s support for Egypt is also at play and taken together, the Kingdom and the Kremlin see eye to eye across the region.  As such, this cooperation may be acceptable to Iran since such activity does not hurt the Islamic Republic’s interests—at least for the time being given the threat of Sunni extremists.

Overall, Saudi Arabia is acting quickly to help resolve regional security issue.  Russia sees her historical mission coming to fruition by rushing into the debacle of the Levant and coming up with solutions that will perhaps firmly place the Near East within Moscow’s orbit and influence.  The move is smart and timely.  As such the status and prospects for the Saudi-Russian bilateral relationship are growing, and both the Kingdom and the Kremlin stressed their readiness to intensify it, including trade, economic and energy cooperation which has a solid potential for growth.  On June 18, Saudi Arabia and Russia agreed on a draft intergovernmental framework agreement on cooperation in peaceful uses of nuclear energy and subsequent steps in preparing the agreement for signature.  All of these developments come on the heels of Putin’s praise for King Abdullah a few months ago and the resumption of Lukoil’s drilling efforts in the Eastern Province.  Clearly, Riyadh sees Moscow as a future security and economic partner who is an honest broker; much more than other Western powers.

 

369 Responses to “Moscow and Riyadh’s Shifting Strategies In the Context of American Decline”

  1. Jay says:

    The views expressed by Karasik are either wishful thinking, propaganda, or the Russians have made a U-turn!

    “The Council of Ministers on Monday urged the international community to implement the Geneva-1 Accord…”

    Geneva 1, according to Mr. Kerry and the Administration, rules out Mr. Assad as the leader of Syria.

    “Meanwhile, Saudi Ambassador to the UN Abdullah Al-Muallami reiterated that the Kingdom does not support the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) terror group. “When we say that we don’t accept any interference in Iraq, it includes Iran,” the ambassador told CNN.”

    In other words, they are staking out the “Saddam era” influence positions for the Kingdom. I doubt that will sit well with Iran.

  2. kooshy says:

    Jay says:
    June 23, 2014 at 10:06 pm

    Jay

    Naturally for KSA any form of elected government in Muslim country is not acceptable to KSA since it may create a possible precedence, in other words, the KSA is fine and will only accept any Monarchist or republic with a president for life likes of Egypt, Tunisia, etc. as all know KSA is not a democratic state they don’t even claim to be, and quite naturally they are scared and are effect by other Muslim middle eastern democratically governance system, therefore they will do all they can to bring down such an state format, like what they did in Egypt. Fortunately this kind of struggle logically can’t be long endured. Somewhere, somehow, sometime soon it will all crumble down.

  3. BiBiJon says:

    Funny how US and Iran’s various convergent and legitimate interests failed to bring the two sides to accept/trust each other and respect one another’s concerns. But, US’ enmity towards Russia, and Iran’s estrangement from KSA will bring US and Iran closer together; A match made for all the wrong and ephemeral reasons is yet another ugly fruit of the missed opportunities for what could have been a rapprochement for all the right and durable reasons.

    US’ geostrategic interests must now accept (and encourage) a nuclear threshold status for Iran.

  4. Jay says:

    kooshy says:
    June 23, 2014 at 10:38 pm

    Nothing is forever! In the meantime, the bloodshed and balkanization continues.

    ISIS in Iraq stinks of CIA/NATO ‘dirty war’ op
    http://rt.com/op-edge/168064-isis-terrorism-usa-cia-war/

    A lucid examination of these events make it clear that the West’s plan for the region and beyond has no human dimension. Iraqis, Syrians, Sunnis, Shiites, etc. are sacrificial lambs in the geopolitical game, and Iran must look at whatever deal it makes with the West as a mere delay tactic – time needed to sharpen the teeth!

  5. Karl.. says:

    Here we go again.
    http://rt.com/news/168060-obama-immunity-forces-iraq/

    I wonder what shiites in Iran think of this behavior by Iraq?

  6. BiBiJon says:

    Jay says:
    June 24, 2014 at 9:39 am

    Why doesn’t this lucid analysis point to the fact that the Mosul oil angle benefits Russia, Iran, and Basra. Or, that accepting Iran’s influence among Shi’a of Lebanon, Syria and Iraq has now become an existential matter.

    I think it is lazy thinking that all things are facilitated by CIA. Jihadists are not potted plants. They are also capable of networking, bribing, croossing borders, etc. Most importantly, they are highly motivated and can succeed against a weak central government in Baghdad plausibly entirely on their own. Equally plausibly, the Jihadis out-smarted the CIA, got what they needed.

    Maybe the US has not acted yet, because she is waiting for the right price. I.e. after 4 $trillion investment, it is looking for Baghdad’s surrender terms to the US before any help is rendered.

    Personally, I don’t get too excited about theories that make out US is in charge, omnipotent, more clever than anyone else, etc. She is as handicapped as anyone else when it comes to conducting a symphony with this many moving parts in hall of mirrors.

  7. Sammy says:

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/24/did-obama-know-that-isis-planned-to-invade-iraq/

    …I’m not buying it. I think the intelligence went straight to the top, where Obama and his neocon colleagues came up with the plan that is unfolding as we speak. They figured, if they just look the other way and let these homicidal madhatters seize a few cities and raise a little Hell, they’d be able to kill two birds with one stone, that is, get rid of al Mailiki and partition the country at the same time. But, it’s not going to work out like Obama expects, mainly because this is just about the dumbest plan ever conjured up. I would give it an 80 percent chance blowing up in Obama’s face in less than a month’s time. This turkey has failure written all over it.

    As for the sectarian issue, well, Iraq was never a sectarian society until the war. The problems arose due to a deliberate policy to pit one sect against the other in order to change the narrative of what was really going on the ground. And what was really going on was a very successful guerilla war was being waged by opponents of the US occupation who were launching in excess of 100 attacks per day on US soldiers. To change the storyline–which was causing all kinds of problems at home where support for the war was rapidly eroding–US counterinsurgency masterminds concocted a goofy plan to blow up the Golden Dome Mosque, blame it on the Sunnis, and then unleash the most savage, genocidal counterinsurgency operation of all-time. The western media were instructed to characterize developments in Iraq as part of a bloody civil war between Shia and Sunnis. But it was all a lie. The bloodletting was inevitable result of US policy which the Guardian effectively chronicled in a shocking, but indispensable hour-long video which can be seen here. James Steele: America’s mystery man in Iraq – video

    The US made every effort to fuel sectarian animosities to divert attention from the attacks on US soldiers. And due to a savage and deceptive counterinsurgency plan that employed death squads, torture, assassinations, and massive ethnic cleansing, they succeeded in confusing Iraqis as to who was really behind the daily atrocities, the human rights violations and the mountain of carnage.

    You’d have to be a fool to blame al-Maliki for any of this. As brutal as he may be, he’s not responsible for the divisions in Iraqi society. That’s all Washington’s doing. Just as Washington is entirely responsible for the current condition of the country and for the million or so people who were killed in the war.

  8. Smith says:

    Karasik is wrong. But even if his grandiose idea about the Undemocratic Kingdom is true, it would make no difference from Iran’s POV. Both Russia and Saudi do not have much influence in Iraq, at least not positive influence. As Mr fyi often says, both can not offer anything except more war and bloodshed. The only party that can bring peace to Iraq is Iran. If Russia is really for peace then it would tell Saudis to stand clear while Iran sterilizes Iraq of Saudi funded infection as it is already doing in Syria.

    Saudis do not have anything to offer Russia either. Nor Russians have anything to offer Saudis. The wishful thinking of an alliance between these two just arises from the delusional grandiose of Saudis. The thing is, Saudis are nothing more than an appendage of excess American power which is fast depleting. With fast normalization of American power in relation to the rest of the world, the Saudis are going to face severe internal problems of their own. It is a regime which is highly unpopular both internally and externally with a half dead king.

    If Iran plays it smart, in Iraq, it can return the peace to all the relevant areas inside Iraq while pushing Isis to a Pakistani tribal area kind of place in the desert between Iraq, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Let’s see then, what will Saudi and Jordan regimes do. Then, no Russia and no US can save them from the poison they had cooked for their neighbors.

    The rest are desperate delusions. The only country country that did and could legitimize Saudi dictatorship was US. Russia can not play that role. And Saudis do not have anything to offer Russia if Russians actually did play that role (short of Saudis start selling their oil in Ruble and transfer all their wealth into Russia). It is such an improbable scenario that is analogous to wishing for earth to have two moons.

    I am sure US also has contingency plans. For instance, the US trained “Saudi” army can be finally put into a good use. Sisi would help too. After all he is now a field marshal president dictator. A kolfat will always remain a kolfat. Mistaking a kolfat for an independent strategic player is what has made Karasik’s analysis void.

  9. BiBiJon says:

    “That’s all Washington’s doing.”
    ==========================

    Is there a greenhouse big enough for all the potted plants.

    Elements of Iraqi Shi’a had scores to settle with the Bathists
    Some of Suuni tribes resented being toppled from the top of the food chain
    KSA, and other (P)GCC states did everything they could to undermine Maliki
    Iran in all likelihood made a set of mistakes of her own
    The war-ravaged psychy of Iraqi society was a powder keg irrespective of sectarian fissures.

    But I am merely counting potted plants of no significance, because after all “That’s all Washington’s doing.”

    Washington was an actor, definitely drunk with hubris, and waded into a hornets nest — the original sin. But beyond that surely others came to the party too, and at times were far more influential in the trajectory of events that whatever it is that Washington did, or omitted to do.

  10. BiBiJon says:

    Smith says:
    June 24, 2014 at 11:59 am

    Well said!

  11. James Canning says:

    Sammy,

    The vicious civil war in Iraq after the overthrow of Saddahm Hussein was the direct result of idiotic disbanding of Iraqi army etc by L. Paul “Jerry” Bremer III.

    Bremer’s supreme foolishness was not part of a scheme to cause civil war.

  12. Karl.. says:

    Israel’s Netanyahu warns Obama on working with Iran in Iraq
    http://rt.com/news/167772-netanyahu-obama-iran-iraq/

  13. masoud says:

    http://tehrantimes.com/sports/116518-i-wanted-to-renew-my-contract-with-iran-queiroz-says,
    “When I come back to home in Iran I’ll tell the people and the fans what happened exactly and why we come to this situation and especially who was the responsible for this situation,”

    It’s too late for Carlos! He’s already beginning to sound like Ahmadinejad.

  14. Sammy says:

    GAV canning, as kooshy always calls you correctly, now that you mentioned Bremer, here from our friend in MoA :

    Thinking through the “figurehead/puppet model” in viewing the US war criminals – while accurate – also lends itself I believe – like incompetence – to ameliorating the individual’s culpability vis a vis their crimes against humanity as it lends itself to the “following orders” defense.

    Similarly to charges of “incompetence” the buck never has to stop in the “puppet” model when accusations/allegations start to fly: there’s always someone farther up the ladder who was supposedly “really” responsible but whom will we will never see as the faux/sham democratic processes allowing for “accountability” from the people – knee-slap – protect those really in charge just as effectively as some well-paid lackey falling on his sword for his whorelord in the analogous “incompetence” situation.

    Oh, someone is guilty of something? Oh well, pissants, either vote him out of office – chortle – or else he/she didn’t know what he/she was doing in the first place and they can’t really be blamed, right? Take your pick, fuckers. Choose well.

    Thus, while most undoubtedly it is accurate to state that Obama is a “figurehead/puppet” carrying out the commands of his masters, he is a war criminal just the same as are the people pulling Obama’s strings. They are all war criminals guilty of committing crimes for which people have been executed for in the past according to established laws. Certainly, some fish are bigger than others but they all deserve to fry.

    Unfortunately, the whore waters run deep here in good ole Merka. I mean, maybe if we started running in the puppets for war crimes we would start to see some more strings, huh? The war criminal mannequin factory has stop cranking out product at some point, right?

    In the end, if these fucking criminals want to keep playing games utilizing terms like “incompetence” and “following orders/I’m a puppet” etc then I believe it is incumbent upon society to start playing its own “games” by not recognizing their “playacting” any longer as valid in the face of the unpunished and unrelenting destruction they have brought upon the planet.

    The absurdities that we are told to swallow have been too great for a long time.

    Posted by: JSorrentine | Jun 24, 2014 12:49:37 PM | 87

    Adding quickly:

    Understanding that TPB are very wary of the “court” of public opinion, the “incompetence” and “puppet” strategies are deliberately rolled out so that it is more difficult for society to even BEGIN to think of these people as criminals MUCH LESS begin to go about doing anything concrete about it.

    The MSM really should be viewed as the Defense Attorney for the war criminal elite as these strategies are identical to those utilized by real defense attorneys in trial.

    Look at how successfully the Iraq War criminals have been, they’re all over the TV now, people are buying fucking paintings by Bremer and W, etc etc. America “feels better” because they are “out of office” – nudge, wink – and we can ridicule them about what a “bad” job they did in Iraq, right? Take it away, John Stewart!!!

    I can’t tell you how many people I personally know who – even fake lefties – who actually feel sorry for W. b/c they think he was in over his head and just had no idea what was going on. Feel sorry?!!!

    People have to start seeing that the very real purpose of all of this media face/print time accorded to these criminals is NECESSARILY to prevent us from viewing them as deliberate criminals but rather as either bungling idiots or idiots following orders.

    Posted by: JSorrentine | Jun 24, 2014 1:13:44 PM | 88

  15. James Canning says:

    Sammy,

    The neocons convinced GW Bush Iraq would prove to be a rich ally of Israel and the US, and they did not want civil war in Iraq.

    How odd that you seem to want this point kept under the carpet.

  16. James Canning says:

    Sammy,

    Clearly you are unaware that some US “advisers” convinced the Saudis that Obama would bring the US directly into the Syrian civil war, if one was started. But Obama refused. Yet you like to call him a “puppet”. Simplistic thinking on your part.

  17. nico says:

    James Canning says:

    “The neocons convinced GW Bush Iraq would prove to be a rich ally of Israel and the US, and they did not want civil war in Iraq.
    How odd that you seem to want this point kept under the carpet.”

    You have truly no shame whatsoever.
    You are such degenerate and your mind is that distorted and slanted that you are not even aware of that very fact.
    Some would call it hubris, other would call it exceptionalism, other yet would maybe call it stupidity.
    Personnally I call it intellectual and moral failure.

    Who care if the murder was influenced or not.
    The murderer has free will of his own and need to be held accountable.
    Period.
    That is that simple.
    Would the murderer be held accountable, the so called people pulling strings would be powerless and lose influence.
    And that it that simple.
    All your blattering is worthless sophistic crap.
    And that is that simple.

    “Clearly you are unaware that some US “advisers” convinced the Saudis that Obama would bring the US directly into the Syrian civil war, if one was started. But Obama refused. Yet you like to call him a “puppet”. Simplistic thinking on your part.”

    You are a shameless liar.
    The US wefe much eager to strike Syria, and Obama first among them.
    The US was deterred by the Russians.
    That is that simple.
    Nothing Hidden.
    And again all your blattering is crap.

  18. nico says:

    Sammy,

    As I said here before time for politicking or intellectual academic analysis is long passed.
    What is needed is brick layers uprising to hold all this bunch of thugs accountable.
    Surely the kind of Canning in such circonstances would be held accoubtable as well for their utter moral and intellectual failure.
    Truly bone deep cowardice from the kind of Canning not being able to oook at themselves in the mirror and trying to find excuses and explanations.

  19. nico says:

    Canning,

    You are a pathetic intellectual and moral refugee under the wooden hut of your miserable excuses and explanations.
    I do not know the meaning of Gav.
    But bamboo raft moral refugee or just refugee would fit you as well.

  20. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    I think a demonstration of abject stupidity on the part of a person who set up the catastrophe in Iraq, is much stronger than silly accusations of that person’s being a “war criminal”.

  21. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    Another factor is apparent greed, that strongly motivated some of the neocons who conspired to set up the idiotic US invasion of Iraq. Probing this angle to me seems an obvious way forward, but not to you apparently.

  22. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    I strongly opposed the idiotic US invasion of Iraq. And you think I am looking for an “excuse”?

  23. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    A number of the people who conspired to set up the idiotic US invasion of Iraq at this time enjoy TV exposure in the US, thanks to major networks etc. I think exposing their stupidity and mendacity is useful, in trying to offset their often foolish current policy recommendations.

  24. nico says:

    James Canning says:

    “I strongly opposed the idiotic US invasion of Iraq. And you think I am looking for an “excuse”?”

    You should tell that that was stupid to all the deads and their families as well as all that are still alive in a destroyed Iraq.
    Pathetic.
    But do not worry, the brick layers uprising will take care of your kind when the time is right.

  25. Jay says:

    BiBiJon says:
    June 24, 2014 at 10:55 am

    I was responding to Kooshy and following up on my statement of rejection with regards to Mr. Karasik’s thesis. I was not, and am not, suggesting a dichotomy; as you have interpreted it – “Why doesn’t this ….”

    The West is after her game, and Iran is following her strategy. Evidently and observably US is not in charge in many respects! Yet, her chaos continues to leave human disaster in its wake.

    I was pointing out, by example, the now established empirical fact that the West’s policies have no human dimension while Iran’s policies do – in my view.

  26. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    You think that a sensible course for the US to follow in the Middle East is best promoted, by covering up stupidity on the part of American officials?

    Call them criminals. That doing so enhances your contentions is very doubtful.

  27. Sammy says:

    Zio-Fascist DeniSS RoSS in LA-Times:

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-ross-isis-iraq-syria-20140624-story.html

    …As for Syria, though we must deny ISIS sanctuary there, the U.S. cannot partner with the Assad regime. The simple fact is that so long as Assad remains in power, he will be a magnet for every jihadi worldwide to join the holy war against him. No country in the region is immune from the fallout of the conflict in Syria, and we all face the danger of those who go to fight in Syria returning to their home countries to foment violence.
    Though President Obama has spoken about ramping up our support for the opposition in Syria, we are late to that effort. It is time for the United States to assume the responsibility of quarterbacking the entire assistance effort to ensure that more meaningful aid — lethal, training, intelligence, money and humanitarian — not only gets to those who are fighting both ISIS and the Assad regime but is fully coordinated and complementary….

  28. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    The notion that Moscow “favors” Iyad Allawi is pulled straight out of Mr. Karasik’s ass.

    That’s not the case.

    As SL said, the whole thing is about installing American puppets in Baghdad and ditching democracy in Iraq.

    Russia will not be part of this.

    Mr. Karasik has to make it look like “everybody” wants to ditch Maliki.

    Also, Iran has never insisted on Maliki, Iran has said it will deal with whoever the Iraqis vote for, including Iyad Allawi.

    The process, not the person.

    The reality is that whoever comes to power in Iraq- except takfiris- has “good” relations with Iran.

    That’s the difference between Iran and every other country in the world as it relates to Iraq.

    Russia actually “favors” Iran-aligned government in Iraq over all other current options.

  29. yk says:

    BIB, I agree with your submission. In fact it is this underlying factor that has remain the strength of Iran’s foreign policy. In Syria Iran emphasise on the fact that Assad have the support of the majority and what was needed was a gradual political reform that would better reflect the views of the masses. The election and the strong backing of the SyAA with the bulk made up of Sunnis that never waiver is a vindication of Tehran’s position.

    Anybody that emerge as the choice of the people in Iraq would surely go down well with Iran as every major actors in Iraq today knows the strategic depth Iran have in Iraq vis a vis the majority Shia population, who have arose and have found independent, any government that en strange this part of the population knows it cannot survive for long.

  30. kooshy says:

    Eventually one can’t lie to all of the people all of the times, here comes the truth incrementally, last month they revised down from originally reported +1% increase to -1% now it looks it’s -2.9%, as per my estimation on street level the economy feels a lot slower than that, no matter how much them and their agents try to spin it. I would think with economy shrinking at 3%, and still having oil (energy) at $110 PB
    It should mean is almost impossible to revise the current trajectory of the US economy

    “(Reuters) – The U.S. economy contracted at a much steeper pace than previously estimated in the first quarter to record its worst performance in five years, but there are indications that growth has since rebounded strongly.

    The Commerce Department said on Wednesday gross domestic product fell at a 2.9 percent annual rate, instead of the 1.0 percent pace it had reported last month.”

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/25/us-usa-economy-growth-idUSKBN0F01CD20140625

  31. Karl.. says:

    masoud

    In one hour they will play against Bosnia, will be interesting to watch, they need to win this time.

  32. Castellio says:

    Are there two Smiths? The one writing at 11.59 actually made sense, (although the US trained Saudi army is, apparently, of very little use to anyone).

    Nico and The Governor continue their tango both day and night, although it’s hard for others to hear the music.

    Always glad to hear from Bussed-in-Basiji.

    The issue in my mind remains the land line between Iran and Hezbollah. Has it been cut? Will it be re-established?

  33. Smith says:

    There are so many mofos and sisfos here. It is amazing.

    Anyways.

    Expect infighting to start between Sunnis and Wahabi very soon: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/06/iraq-isis-sunnis-clash-future.html

    And the Russian says, ouster of Maliki will only cause more destabilization: al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/06/iraq-isis-mosul-russia-obama-kurds-turkmen-violence.html

  34. James Canning says:

    Castellio,

    For those who have trouble understanding my primary point, it simply is that the catastrophe of Iraq directly arose from stupidity and greed or opportunism on the part of the GW Bush administration, aided and abetter of course by foolish Democrats.

    Nico for some reason dislikes any probing or exploration of the reasons the idiocy was able to go forward.

  35. James Canning says:

    Sammy,

    Dennis Ross has been the provider of a great deal of foolish advice to Obama for years now. He of course boasts of his close connections with some very rich and powerful Jews who use him in their efforts to steer Obama administration policy in the Middle East.

  36. James Canning says:

    Sammy,

    I find it interesting or curious that you see condemnations of American stupidity in the Middle East as indicative of a tendency toward “child molesting”.

  37. Sammy says:

    @GAV canning

    james make no mistake here and I am damn serious.
    To understand the western fascist elites you need to understand, among other things , how they ‘function’ sexually , you know what I mean , marquis de sade et al.
    Now that you are the ‘ mouthpiece ‘ of the western mindset , I just thought that you might be able to give us more insight , taking the example of savile , however it seems you are not even good at this.

  38. Sammy says:

    We lost the game against Bosnia , somehow I am relieved.
    The ignorant masses would savage the city and the poor municipality workers would have to clean up the mega mess.
    In any case our players are already multiple $-millionaires , a few bucks more would not make any difference , I don’t think so for the Bosnians……

  39. nico says:

    James Canning says:

    “For those who have trouble understanding my primary point, it simply is that the catastrophe of Iraq directly arose from stupidity and greed or opportunism on the part of the GW Bush administration, aided and abetter of course by foolish Democrats.

    Nico for some reason dislikes any probing or exploration of the reasons the idiocy was able to go forward.”

    Sure people are subject to many urges and illigitimate interests.
    And those urges may lead to crimes.
    So what ?
    Like all degenerate progressive thugs you try to find explanations and excuses while the bottom line of criminal actions is, well, crime. Whatever the urges.
    This is the same kind of mental illness you are subject go as the humanitarian supremacists.
    They are the worst. All degenerate and criminal while being self righteous and exeptionalist.

    As Sammy said you are the representative of western oligarchic degeneration in its most ugly and insidious form.

    But do not worry, the brick layers will take care of your kind when the time is ripe.

  40. Rd. says:

    James Canning says:

    “For those who have trouble understanding my primary point, it simply is that the catastrophe of Iraq directly arose from stupidity and greed or opportunism on the part of the GW Bush administration,”

    are you suggesting the british invasion of Iraq was also another catastrophe rising out of bristish stupdity, greed and ignorance? You have amazing insights canning…

  41. nico says:

    Castellio,
    “Are there two Smiths? The one writing at 11.59 actually made sense, (although the US trained Saudi army is, apparently, of very little use to anyone).
    Nico and The Governor continue their tango both day and night, although it’s hard for others to hear the music.
    Always glad to hear from Bussed-in-Basiji.
    The issue in my mind remains the land line between Iran and Hezbollah. Has it been cut? Will it be re-established?”

    Nice post of yours. It has been a while.
    Do not hesitate to post again usefull and interesting contribution as this one. It is dearly missed. (Wink)

  42. James Canning says:

    Writing in the Financial Times today from Washington, Richard McGregor notes that most of those calling for US military intervention in Syria and Iraq are neocons. Who did so much to create the catastrophe in Iraq in 2003.

  43. James Canning says:

    Rd..,

    The British had very little input, in creating the catastrophe in Iraq. Very little indeed. If you do not understand that fact, you need to do some more reading.

    The Foreign Office was scarcely notified the US was disbanding the Iraqi army. For that matter, Jerry Bremer concealed the decision from Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice.

  44. James Canning says:

    Rd..,

    The conspirators who set up the idiotic US invasion of Iraq took pains to prevent British experts from participating in the planning of the operation, and its aftermath. They also excluded American experts on the Middle East.

  45. yk says:

    Gav
    You were asked a straight question by Rd and its

    “are you suggesting the british invasion of Iraq was also another
    catastrophe rising out of bristish stupdity, greed and ignorance?”

    Please answer this question.

  46. Sammy says:

    @ GAV canning

    james , in your ‘colonial’ zio-fascist/neo-liberal ignorance you think that you can outlive us , same as it used to be in the last 2 centuries , ‘same procedure as every year ‘ so to say…
    But as our dear nico broke the news to you , you are at end of the road and this time we will outlive *YOU* , the evil Anglo-American-Zionist-Wahabbi empire is soon to collapse.
    By the way , did you learn anything proper in your life , I mean did you have any meaningful education , are you a plumber , bricklayer or alike , this would reduce your liability as a supremacists and the ignorant and utterly fool that you are….

  47. Rd. says:

    James Canning says:

    “The conspirators who set up the idiotic US invasion of Iraq took pains to prevent British experts from ”

    Yes indeed, it is customary to exclude even the ‘house’ butler from the masters decisions.

  48. Karl.. says:

    As I said before, if Sassan could be banned so can this guy.
    He simply refuse to debate in good faith.

  49. nico says:

    Karl.. says:
    June 25, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    “As I said before, if Sassan could be banned so can this guy.
    He simply refuse to debate in good faith.”

    To the contrary. It shows a good sample of the oligarchic degeneration crippling the western civilization all concentrated in a single guy.
    And it is good occasion not to missed to expose such malignity day after day.

  50. kooshy says:

    I am sorry guys, but with all the difference of opinion I have with GAV , RSH or others I really don’t see they do anything wrong to be banned from this site, it would become too self serving if all of us agreed all of the time.
    We all have the right to contest, protest or knock his opinion down, but I don’t see we have the right to shout him down he has ever done that to us.

  51. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    ONE EXAMPLE, please, of an instance where you think I refuse to debate you (or anyone else). ONE EXAMPLE.

  52. James Canning says:

    Rd.,

    The neocons kept AMERICAN experts away from the planning for their idiotic invasion of Iraq.

    Who was the “master”, as you put it?

  53. James Canning says:

    Sammy,

    I have stated a number of times that I think Israel is the most dangerous country in the Middle East. This makes me a “Zionist”?

  54. James Canning says:

    yk,

    ZERO “greed” on the part of the UK, in its ill-advised backing of US invasion of Iraq.
    A good deal of quasi-religious delusion on the part of Tony Blair, however.

  55. Karl.. says:

    kooshy

    Its not about his views its about the constant dishonesty, deceit and arguing in bad faith. This is troll behavior whetever deliberate or not. Hes just taking space and energy from more important stuff.

  56. James Canning says:

    Sammy,

    You appear unaware I think America’s national security is steadily undermined by people wishing to “protect” Israel. You think this is the general belief obtaining in “the west”?

  57. kooshy says:

    Karl
    I think, avoiding, resisting to: admit, agree or answer one’ opinion or a question ( like taking the 5th) wouldn’t make one to be a troll, besides he is not rude or impolite, he just repeats what he believes at best, or at worst what his job asks him to say. I still think Gav is useful.

  58. Pouya says:

    So Moscow and Riyadh see dictators everywhere for the sake of stability. And that’s a good thing? And the Leverette’s think this is positive?

    saddening.

  59. Pouya says:

    Kooshy says:

    ” it would become too self serving if all of us agreed all of the time.”

    Excellent Point.

  60. Pouya says:

    What a terrible game Iran had.
    They looked exhausted.
    There should have been fresh legs on the field.

    Quiros will hold a Press conference in Tehran and he said he is going to name people he thinks don’t let the national team and the clubs grow in Iran.

  61. Castellio says:

    Pouya writes: “So Moscow and Riyadh see dictators everywhere for the sake of stability. And that’s a good thing? And the Leverette’s think this is positive?”

    I agree with your sentiment here. And while Riyadh might believe it, I doubt very much if that vision is shared in Moscow. B-i-B also agrees: Karasik draws his opinions from the most unlikely places.

    Back to the land bridge. Have Iran and Hezbollah been separated by ISIL? Can that obstruction be sustained. How will it effect Israeli relations to Lebanon? Will Israel mount a more sustained attack against Syria, now that Syria refuses to respond to any attacks to date?

    Cast Lead was unleashed in December 2008, between the US elections and the swearing in of Obama, who refused to condemn it. What will happen after the swearing in of the next US president in 2016? I believe that policy is being developed now.

  62. kooshy says:

    Castellio says:
    June 25, 2014 at 10:49 pm

    Kurdish / Kurdistan military don’t have any air force or any SAM air defense, just because Turkey and surely Iran wouldn’t allow it. So you can draw your conclusion. For sure Iraqi land never was or will be used to supply the resistance. The western Iraq was NEVER secured (it was always a Sunni tribal land and will remain that way even if ISIS is eliminated) by resistance supporting forces to move major supplies by land.

  63. Castellio says:

    Thanks, Kooshy. I am asking because I don’t know the consequences/situation.

  64. Rd. says:

    James Canning says:
    June 25, 2014 at 3:06 pm
    The conspirators who set up the idiotic US invasion of Iraq took pains to prevent British experts from

    June 25, 2014 at 6:37 pm
    The neocons kept AMERICAN experts away from the planning for their idiotic invasion of Iraq.

    It only took you 3 hours and 31 minutes to change your mind!!!! :-)

    so how about 1914? was that idiotic invasion caused by the necons too? Or was “the catastrophe of Iraq directly arose from stupidity and greed or opportunism on the part of the “ (your words) british queen, king and the royals?

  65. James Canning says:

    Rd..,

    If you look at my comments, you will see that I say the neocons kept British and American experts on the Middle East, out of the loop. Out of the planning. Why? Because they were seen as too sympathetic to the Arabs.

  66. James Canning says:

    Rd..,

    The neocons are a programme for using American power to “protect” Israel, facilitate enrichment of those who work to “protect” Israel, etc etc etc. They only came into existence within the past 50 years.

  67. James Canning says:

    Rd.,

    Where on earth do you get the idea the foolish support Tony Blair gave to the American invasion of Iraq in 2003, came from the Queen of England?

  68. James Canning says:

    Rd..,

    What “invasion” took place in 1914, to which you refer?

  69. kooshy says:

    Kurdistan in any which way one may draw her borders, is landlocked by Iran, Turkey, Iraq and Syria, any cooperation between Turkey and Kurds or any Arab Country and Kurds, can only be short and tactical, and definitely can ever be strategic.

    Now, if this stated conditions is considered as an accepted historical based fact, as a result one can conclude based on many related historical evidence, only one of these four states can historically and logically be the closest and most reliable partner for the Kurds which has and will be Iran.
    Now whoever is a leader in a landlocked community/state his or her first priority should be to get recognized and have great friendly relationship by at least one of their neighbors (especially one with a sea port) who is very open and friendly to their possible “relative and conditional” independence, if not your independence is good only to choke you.
    So now, if Kurds want to become independent which one of these four future neighbors are going to be friendly enough not to only to recognize their independence but also to open their ports to them. The answer is none, some will accept to let them use their ports but as long as they don’t declare independence, they don’t fancy having an air force, SAM air defense and many more conditions, even some conditions which will limit who and how they can trade with, to be allowed to use the neighbor’s port to import and export. As a result at the end of the day no one is really too worried that Kurds can do, or go, where they fancy.

    If Kurds declare independence none of their immediate states will recognize them,

  70. James Canning says:

    Kooshy,

    You are welcome to bring to my attention ANY QUESTION you think I have declined to answer. Please do so.

  71. James Canning says:

    Rd..,

    I have said for many many years now, that a crucial aspect of the neocon conspiracy to set up the idiotic US invasion of Iraq, was to prevent American or British experts on the Middle East from participating in the planning.

    You apparently lack a sufficient comprehension of my position on this matter, or you are claiming O cjamged my position when of course I have not.

  72. kooshy says:

    James Canning says:
    June 26, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    Gav James

    When someone is taking the 5th he or she is technically and directly replying (answering) to the question asked, isn’t it?

    Gav, did you know Norman Wisdom? Did he ever share his last name with anyone you may know?

  73. James Canning says:

    Kooshy,

    Karl has not given ONE EXAMPLE of a question he thinks I decline to answer. You have the same problem?

  74. Rd. says:

    James Canning says:

    “What “invasion” took place in 1914, to which you refer?”

    you need to read history or you are bound to make the same mistake!!! necons or liberal interventionist. different labeling does not absolve you of your treacheries.

    The Mesopotamia Mess
    ” In 1914, the British invaded Mesopotamia (now called Iraq) to protect their oil interests in the region. What began as a limited military initiative, with no expectation for occupation, resulted in over four decades of active political and military involvement, including the battling of an insurgency against their rule.”

  75. Rd. says:

    kooshy says:

    “any cooperation between Turkey and Kurds or any Arab Country and Kurds, can only be short and tactical, and definitely can ever be strategic.
    If Kurds declare independence none of their immediate states will recognize them, “

    Your points are well taken, however, if we consider politics is known to have some strange bedfellows, what are the likely for Erdogon to go along with the independence?

    Kurdish leadership seem to have varying allegiances. The barzani family business / empire seems to be well established. Erdogon has been loosing in FP and his economy is in trouble. HE seems to be the maverick that might just go for an independent Kurdish state within Iraq (only) and perhaps part of Syria, if the Kurds get along on both sides.

    With that, Erdogon can get his oil, and perhaps transport some via pipe line across Turkey. Barzani can be happy to be the ‘shah’ for his domain. That leaves the isis, bathist, sunni tribes vs shia. If the suads were happy to have their lil sunni fiefdom, then all is set. Who would want to (or can) fight the isis, the bathist/sunni tribes, then the kurds to keep Iraq as one? Once the saud is happy, they can always push the isis south to fight with shia, and over time choke and eliminate the isis.

    This may be a *strech* however, Erdogon, when cornered has a habit of pulling stunts, and if his willing to go along with the kurds, what is there to stop the partition?

  76. Castellio says:

    RD: I think that is the correct question. Who or what is there to stop the partition of Iraq?

  77. Rd. says:

    Castellio, I think it is also a question of interests. There is the question of Iran’s oil and Iraq’s oil back to the market. Not in the best interest of saud and perhaps even US. There is also the planned Iran pipe line to go thru Iraq and Syria to the Med. This breakup will likely eliminate that option which would have been extremely beneficial to Iran. Qatar benefits from that, also Turkey which could ‘hope’ for hosting that pipe line to benefit from the its supply and transit fees, among others.
    and last but not least getting Iran muddies in sectarian war and draining its resources.

  78. kooshy says:

    “This may be a *strech* however, Erdogon, when cornered has a habit of pulling stunts, and if his willing to go along with the kurds, what is there to stop the partition?”

    Rd-
    Every state has some geostrategic red lines that no head of state elected or none can ever cross.
    For example during the Iran Iraq war Iran was not willing to grant more autonomy or even a federalization to Kurds if they refused to help, they, the Kurds also didn’t have a choice as later was proven when they were attacked by Saddam the only safe refuge they could get was Iran and not turkey.
    Again US’ geostrategic red line with Iran, is not drawn since the Islamic republic if it was they wouldn’t overthrown Dr. Mossadegh.
    So I think if Erdo would have done that the Turks and Turkish military wouldn’t allow it since they know that will mean more strategic loss than any possible gain.

  79. yk says:

    You are not looking at the complete picture here, I don’t think Iran will want as someone rightly called it another “Israel” on its border. What do you think an independent Kurdishtan would mean on the Iranian border, a play thing for the Zio/ West to poke Iran and cause unrest inside Iran from time to time. In fact it would just be like another Azerbaijan ×100 on Iran door step couple with the fact that Turkey cannot be counted upon. This could be surmise as part of the plan of the US just like what is happening on Russia’s border in Ukraine. Anybody remember Brzezinski’s book “the grand chessboard.”

    The question I expect on this forum is: what can Iran do to stem the tide of this threat and eventually roll it back vis a vis the ISIS/ISIL and the Iraqi Kurds intended declaration of independence?

  80. fyi says:

    Castellio says:

    June 26, 2014 at 4:45 pm

    Iranians did not need land access to help Lebanese Shia during much of the 1980s and 1990s which saw the birth of Hezbollah.

    I thin this whole idea of “land bridge” was the conceptual underpinning of the War-in-Syria-to-Wound-Iran policy that the Axis Powers and some PGCC Arabs, and Turley pursued; not grasping the tactical or the strategic situation since 2006.

    The wars in Syria and in Iraq will be going on for a few more years, demonstrating once again the huge capacity of extra-regional states to destroy but not to build – this time in the Near East.

  81. fyi says:

    yk says:

    June 26, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    Kurds as an ethnicity do not have the capacity to build a state; amply demonstrated over the last 2500 years.

    It will not be any different this time; the twin fiefdoms (tribal confederation) of Talibani-stan and Barzani-stan do not a state make. The League of Iroquois was more of a state than the contemporary Iraqi Kurdistan – in my opinion.

  82. yk says:

    Fyi
    I subscribe to that, thanks for your contribution. You’ve been gone for a while. Welcome back.

  83. yk says:

    But what can Iran do to counter all these aggressions on her ally.

  84. kooshy says:

    yk says:
    June 26, 2014 at 5:27 pm
    “But what can Iran do to counter all these aggressions on her ally”

    IMO she has to tough it out ,just like what she has done for last 200 years, there will be some losses and some gains, Imam Housain.Ferdosi/Kourosh and mostly geography are Iran’s best help.

  85. James Canning says:

    Rd.,

    British operations in what became Iraq were conducted by the Indian Empire, from Delhi. Oil was discovered in Iraq in 1926.

    Britain did not want to fight the Ottoman Empire, as I assume you are well aware.

  86. Nasser says:

    fyi says: June 26, 2014 at 5:24 pm

    I have been saying so here for a long time and I will say it again, I think Mr. Maliki made a big mistake in not placating the Kurds enough. Despite what some idiots may claim, a hypothetical Kurdistan is no threat to Iran but would only help it by sapping the energy of Turkey.

    Furthermore, I would argue that increased regionalism, be they in Iraq or Syria or Afghanistan is not contrary to Iran’s interest at all. I view defacto partitions of Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan as both natural and desirable. Regarding Iraq specifically, I think the Shias of that country would be better served if the entirety of their oil money were spent on themselves rather than on whole parts of the country. Why should oil from Shia regions be used to help those that are almost daily bombing and murdering Shias? And let the Kurds have their claim to their own oil and go their separate way. I welcome ISIS and I wish the Sunnis to have their own defacto state in the deserts of Syria and Iraq. I don’t want to see a single Shia soldier die trying to wrestle Tikrit or Fallujah away from them. I welcome it because I know that they have no oil, little arable land and are thus destined to be a failed state; and this way they will be more geographically contained. In time surely they will be a threat to Jordan and Saudi Arabia. The inclusion of these lot into Iraqi government is only preventing a deeper closer relations from emerging between Shias of Iran and Iraq.

    I think it would be instructive to observe the parallels between these countries as it relates to Iran and Ukraine as it relates to Russia. Russia would have been much better served if Galicia wasn’t attached to the rest of Ukraine. Otherwise this very hostile and motivated minority only manages to hijack the foreign policy of their country and turn it into a headache for Russia. Similarly we can see Pashtuns accusing fellow Afghans friendly to Iran of selling out Herat and Sunni Iraqis accusing their Shia compatriots of being Safavid spies in the employ of Iran. As for Russia with Ukraine and Iran with these countries it is much much better to “cut off the limb to save the body” and make something useful from the remaining parts.

    I would end by noting that Iran’s efforts to win hearts and minds as it were amongst those people traditionally hostile towards her have been a complete failure. Those Iranians passionately arguing for some grand pan Islamic alliance are at best only doing so for propaganda and at worse haven’t learned a thing from history and actually believe in such delusions. We already have an OIC and an Arab League. What have they ever accomplished? The Shia Crescent must be coherent and viable and above all else have a clear enemy in mind (like the early days of NATO).

  87. fyi says:

    Nasser says:

    June 26, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    I do not think that a Sunni-majority state in the Syrian Desert is financially possible; it would lack resources and, at best, would be another Jordan-for-Rent.

    I also think that Kurds do not have it in themselves to create a state – in Iraq or anywhere else – since they are all too loyal still to their tribes and clans.

    But these are mere quibbles.

    The most useful thing to a human being is another human being, the politics of political divisions that you are advocating would inevitably turn people asunder and create more rivalries and more cunning but senseless competition over limited extractive resources to support rentier systems.

    Politically, I would like to draw your attention to the benefits of a much larger political integration at the level of Ottomans, Safavids, Seljuks, or the Sassanian-Parthian Confederacy.

    On the economic front, I would like to point out the benefits of larger integration in creating a common market large enough to sustain large industries.

    In my opinion, Muslim countries need to move from the politics of tribe/city/region to politics of country/state and from trade to industry – political fracture will not facilitate industrialization in my view. Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Pakistan and other regional states need tighter economic integration and not less; we need ECO to be on steroids.

    While I agree with you that many in the neighborhood of Iran envy and dislike Iran, I should think that those very same people would be willing to put their prejudices on the back-burner if it helps their pocket book; look to the Azeri Republic and the cooperative deals between that state and Iran over the last few years – after it became clear to the Azeris that the Islamic Republic was not going to fall victim to Axis Powers’ economic war.

  88. kooshy says:

    fyi says:
    June 26, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    In my knowledge, your assessment is correct and sound strategy, anything else especially a going it alone strategy is very dangerous

  89. Nasser says:

    fyi says: June 26, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    “…the politics of political divisions that you are advocating would inevitably turn people asunder and create more rivalries and more cunning but senseless competition over limited extractive resources to support rentier systems.”

    – Thanks for your comments but I am sorry I find your argument to be unpersuasive and thus have to disagree.

    In my judgement, forcing national boundaries onto people that show utter contempt for communal realities is precisely the problem. Successful multi-ethnic polities like India or Iran are very much the exception to the norm. Such countries have long histories of existing as political entities and true historic consciousness amongst its people that make them successful. Such situation does not obtain in Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan; despite protestations to the contrary by some of their nationalists. Arab ajam isn’t going to disappear simply because Iran wishes it so. I consider current events to only confirm my views.

    While I agree that much can be learned from studying the historical political entities you mentioned, one will be well advised to keep in mind that none of these polities ultimately survived. From my limited knowledge my understanding is that these polities ultimately failed because none managed to successfully foster the idea of national identity and shared fate. Iran though can create an alliance structure where people within it already have sympathy for one another, feel they share the same enemies and thus can be made to feel they share the same fate as one another. Such an entity would be viable in my opinion. It would enhance the security, power and wealth of Iranians and their friends.

    Of course, no sensible person can argue with your recommendations of doing away with tribalism, rentier political systems, middle man economic systems. I actually remain optimistic that Iran will manage to industrialize. That is because I sincerely believe that many of the things Iranians desire and modern societies cannot do without will not be sold to them by the West or anyone. Smuggling alone won’t suffice and so Iranians will have to produce many of these things themselves or learn to do without them. In effect they have been left with no choice but to develop their own technology and industries if they want to sustain the lifestyle they have gone accustomed to. Please note that even this smaller divided polity that I advocate for would contain over a 100 million souls. A large enough population base for enough workers, engineers, consumers, soldiers surely. The tremendous oil wealth of Iran and Iraq can be used to underwrite the development costs of many capital intensive industries and it is not pre ordained that they will all inevitably be used simply for political rent (as it is now I admit). I continue to maintain that Iran can best help herself and her desperate friends by creating viable economic and military ties and not by refashioning the OIC. Closer economic cooperation with Turkey, Pakistan or Arabs can then be pursued once Iran is stronger and actually have something to offer besides just energy.

  90. Nasser says:

    Mr. Allawi’s interview:
    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/06/iraq-interview-ayad-allawi-crisis-political-solution.html

    Should lay to rest that idiotic article’s claims of him being looked at favorably by Russia.

  91. fyi says:

    Nasser says:

    June 26, 2014 at 8:42 pm

    One needs to think of people not as a liability rather as an asset – look to Japan and Korea where their achievements rest on the labor of a very highly educated and motivated population.

    But that social cohesion, specially in Japan, was forged through blood and steel and was later extended to Korea later.

    Likewise, national cohesion in France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Russia, and UK was firmly based on killing the misfits and the dis-obedient people and forging a national consensus through military conscription and other nation-making institutions.

    I do not consider India to be in the same league as Iran; modern Iran – created by the Safavids – went through 3 civil wars which created Afghanistan – while Indian Union has not yet existed for the length of time that Safavids have.

  92. Nasser says:

    A far better article on Russia and Iran written by Fyodor Lukyanov:
    http://eng.globalaffairs.ru/pubcol/Russia-will-not-be-a-spoiler-in-Iraq-16737

    Some important passages reads:

    “Gradual changes, hardly noticeable at first, took place in Russian foreign policy following the Iraq campaign. Moscow, as so often before, seemingly came to terms with what had happened, and even started to cooperate on Iraq within the framework of international stabilization efforts. Long-term decisions, however, had been made regarding the fact that the United States could not be trusted; that Russia must rely only on itself and concentrate its strengths and capabilities to defend its positions in a world of chaos and legal nihilism. In this respect, Russia’s way into the Crimean Peninsula began on the day when American tanks rolled into Iraq.”

    “For the Russian leadership, as well as for Russian public opinion, what is happening in Iraq is a verdict on the entire US policy after the Cold War, and the symbol of the resounding failure of those who only recently displayed the utmost arrogance toward everyone who disagreed with their policies. Putin sees in Iraq yet further proof of how right he was. The attempts at leadership of the mightiest countries bring only destruction and achieve the opposite effect, whether it is the EU’s efforts to drag Ukraine into its sphere of influence, which resulted in serious upheaval, or the collapse of Iraq, whose impetus came from Washington’s desire to establish the “correct” order in the Middle East.”

  93. fyi says:

    Nasser says:

    June 26, 2014 at 9:14 pm

    It was around 2002 also that Iranian leaders concluded that their differences with US cannot be abridged and that Iranian foreign policy should be predicated on the minimization of damages to Iran as her confrontation with US would drag on for years and decades.

    [I think Iranian leaders did not correctly estimate the EU position; expecting EU to forge a different policy vis-à-vis Iran than the United States; all the while ignoring what EU had done during Iran-Iraq War.]

    By the way, the late Mr. Khomeini advised USSR leaders – specifically the Russian Ambassador to Tehran – against invading Afghanistan in 1980. He was ignored.

  94. fyi says:

    All:

    US Government seeks more money to destroy more of Syria:

    [War is Cheap, Peace is Expensive!]

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28042309

  95. Pouya says:

    Castellio
    I think drawing conclusions from land separations is a mistake. The movements in Lebanon are indiginous and are not artificial and dependent to any outside support. That is a view western media promotes. On the contrary, ISIS/AL-SISI/King Hussein/Saud are all on the clock and their time is very much dependent on the shifting sands of foreign interest.

    One scenario that has been ignored is that the break up of Iraq, a nation that has no legitimacy to exist much like Saudi Arabia, will result in the natural reunification of Bagdad and the Southern protion of that country to Iran. About 350 years ago, the Safavid dynasty signed the Bagdad Pact with the Ottoman Empire giving away Iran’s traditional capital and securing a 350 year peace between Iran and the Turks. That peace is still standing. Even after the Afgan invasion of Persia proper the Ottomans continued to honor the Bagdad Pact which eventually allowed Nader to defeat the Afgans and conquer them. The Bagdad Pact had another effect that essenially ended Iran’s free access to the West. The Safavid moved their capital to Isfahan.

    Taking the above into consideration, one can see that Iran will have an upside no matter how this goes down. Again, Iran’s gains are dependent on local and true facts on the ground.

    We still don’t know how this Iraq civil war, induced by foreign forces, is going to pan out. But one can be certain that it won’t go down as the narative that is being told on our media. The facts are very different. 300,000 people fled the city of Mosul. Those are 300000 sunnis running away that does not get mentioned. Therefore, this is not Shia-Sunni war. Tikrit is the birthplace of Saddam and dominated Sunni city where the population fled to Bagdad.

  96. Nasser says:

    God bless the War Nerd. Probably the most honest and morally decent of any American journalist
    http://pando.com/2014/06/23/the-war-nerd-like-it-or-not-whats-happening-in-iraq-right-now-is-part-of-a-rational-process/

  97. Karl.. says:

    Nasser

    Actually Iraq just reached out to Russia to deal with ISIS.

  98. Karl.. says:

    SOme wise words by
    Russell Brand: ‘Fanatical, terrorist, propagandist’ Fox News is ‘more dangerous than ISIS’ (VIDEO)
    http://rt.com/usa/168704-russell-brand-fox-news/

  99. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    The conflict in Iraq is takfiris and some baathists against everybody else in Iraq- including some other (former) baathists.

    The vast majority of people killed by isis have been Sunnis.

    Saudi and bitches are trying to turn it into Sunni-Shia thing in their media, whic it isn’t.

    The result of all this will be very similar as in Syria:

    Strategic Iranian victory because it will be supporting “democracy”, “civilization” “moderation” and “peace” and opponents will be supporting “beheading”, “barbarism” “extremism”, “tribalism” and “war” on civilians.

    There isn’t shit Kerry or the US can do cause that’s what happens when you outsource your foreign policy to a bunch Najdi bedouins and Israelis.

    And also it’s naive on the part of Leveretts and Marandi to think that US will one day eventually see the light and strategically re-align with Iran.

    As long as US domestic political landscape/structure remains what it is, this will be the policy.

    Let’s talk about that, right?

    As I have said since the beginning it’s about the structures within the US that result in the current policy, not whether one has the morally/logically correct arguments (which the Leverett’s certainly have)

    I know why they say it and maybe it’s the only decent thing left to say in DC and academia- but it ain’t gonna happen. Iran 2014 is not China 1970s and Obama/Hillary Clinton/fill-in-the-blank is not Nixon and Kerry is not Kissinger.

    And all this increases the chances that this whole “detente”/”re-alignment” stuff is only really about preventing a closer strategic alignment between Iran and BRICS.

    It’s all about keeping Iran within the western corporate hegemony, a question that Castellio and I posed before and which remains unanswered.

    Iranian oil and consumers at the service of western corporate civilization and its agents in Iran- “for the good of Iran”.

  100. Rehmat says:

    Two days ago, Khaled Mashaal, the political Guru of Palestinian Islamic Resistance Hamas sent a letter to Iranian president Sheikh Hassan Rouhani informing him the current Israeli ‘War on Hamas’.

    The letter begins with best salutations from Mashaal and on behalf of his brethren in Hamas Islamic resistance movement, and prayer for good health and success for President Rouhani, the Iranian nation and government to Almighty Allah.

    Mashaal has in the letter asked the Iranian president and nation, to continue their always rendered support to the Palestinian nation in their resistance against the Zionist occupiers of their lands and to make moves aimed at stopping the Zionists’ attacks

    In the letter, Mashaal explains how the Zionist regime is using the faked kidnapping of three Israeli militants to demonize Hamas and stab the Palestinian Unity government in the back while kill and torture thousands of Hamas supporters in the Jewish occupied West Bank.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/06/27/meshaals-letter-to-rouhani-over-israeli-war-on-hamas/

  101. Rd. says:

    Nasser says:

    “Furthermore, I would argue that increased regionalism, be they in Iraq or Syria or Afghanistan is not contrary to Iran’s interest at all. “

    One additional perspective that may be essential to keep in mind in reference to increased regionalism is, how does the decrease in US influence in the region vs the regional power rivalry is playing out.

    Once could argue the pro and cons of partition or no partition. However, ultimately it seems the question may be how to manage the departure of US and rivalry with the destructive saudi policies and to some extend the Turks.

  102. kooshy says:

    Like I wrote yesterday when I first read the final GDP numbers for the 1st quarter, the decline of the economy and the rise of the inflation on street level are much higher than what official reported US government numbers are.

    “A New Recession and a New World Devoid of Washington’s Arrogance?”
    By Paul Craig Roberts

    June 26, 2014 “ICH” – June 25, 2014. A final number for real US GDP growth in the first quarter of 2014 was released today. The number is not the 2.6% growth rate predicted by the know-nothing economists in January of this year. The number is a decline in GDP of -2.9 percent.

    The negative growth rate of -2.9 percent is itself an understatement. This number was achieved by deflating nominal GDP with an understated measure of inflation. During the Clinton regime, the Boskin Commission rigged the inflation measure in order to cheat Social Security recipients out of their cost-of-living adjustments. Anyone who purchases food, fuel, or anything knows that inflation is much higher than the officially reported number.

    It is possible that the drop in first quarter real GDP is three times the official number.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38931.htm

  103. fyi says:

    All:

    Why sanction against Iran will continue indefinitely (baring strategic accommodation):

    http://carnegieendowment.org/2014/06/16/easing-eu-sanctions-on-iran/he34

  104. nico says:

    With 2 nice quotes from Orwell

     “[W]e have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.”

    “Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem invincible”

    “Mainstream Media Admits “The US Dollar’s Domination Is Coming To An End”
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-27/mainstream-media-admits-us-dollars-domination-coming-end

  105. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Interesting point you made, re: invasion of Afghanistan by USSR in 1979 (that Khomeini advised against it). Apparently Leonid Brezhnev did not know the invasion would proceed. (He told Jimmy Carter it would not go forward.)

  106. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Roman Catholics and Protestants in Germany were fairly evenly balanced, after unification under the King of Prussia (1870-71).

  107. James Canning says:

    Pouya,

    What country should control and annex Saudi Arabia, in your view? (Given that it has “no legitimacy”, in your opinion.)

    Ibn Saud tried to become king of Iraq. He also would have conquered Jordan if the British had not prevented it.

  108. Smith says:

    The reason he is being executed for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb-OSh5Hnvw

  109. James Canning says:

    Bussed-In Basiji,

    Are you opposed to economic adctivity in Iran by Russian corporations?

  110. nico says:

    http://m.timesofindia.com/world/middle-east/Moqtada-al-Sadr-vows-to-shake-the-ground-against-militants/articleshow/37291628.cms

    It seems Al-Maliki is agonizing.
    Will be intereting to see tye outcome.
    2 options seem probable.

    The first one being Al Maliki support from Iran against the USA pushing him out.
    Incidentally, Al Maliki ordered Russian war planes today. Maybe to win support from permanent UNSC member.

    The second option is state desintegration.
    In this eventuality it will be interesting to see who take the leadership of the Shia majority.
    Will it be Al Sadr ?

    And how Iran will play its hand ?
    Surely the US and Iran interaction is important is such circumstances.
    And it seems the nuclear talks are of importance… So to say.

    Taht beinc said, did the US move to support ISIS in Syriq and maybe in Iraq will play to US adavntage ?
    Not sure it will.

  111. Smith says:

    Nasser says:
    June 26, 2014 at 8:42 pm

    Throughout history, there have been two types of rulers. The majority were ruling for the sake of ruling. And a minority ruled for the sake of people.

    A people that want to lead, must be able to solve other people’s problems. Be these problems in security in medical supplies, airplanes, ideological, electricity power plants etc etc.

    This is beyond Shia, Sunni, Pentecostals, Catholics etc. War, punishment and security measures can take you as far. At the end of the day, both Iran and Iraqi government must contemplate what they must offer the Sunnis in Anbar province. Will central government provide their tribal chiefs bribes as Americans were doing? Or will the central government offer them a normal life? For instance are any studies being done in University of Tehran’s history department regarding Millet system of Ottoman empire that can guide the formation of a political system in which Sunnis in Anbar can experience a better life under a Shia government than they do in Egypt or Saudi Arabia or under Isis?

    Choice is critical. The iron hand must be accompanied by the offer of a promising life. Those who refuse the promising life, must be crushed by the iron hand. But choice should be there. This is how a sane and functioning state provides its citizenry a normal life.

    The idea of Shia crescent, polity and alliance is fine and glorious. But one should not forget that such an alliance will not flourish or even survive if it can not offer other human beings be they Sunni, Christian, Atheist, or Jew, a respectable place in its system. The difference between superior ideologies and inferior ones is in this. One considers all humans to have an inherent dignity irrespective of what they do or believe in, and the other believes the dignity is by association to a “divine/man made” construct.

    We should not forget that 99.99% of the problems in any human community is not whether the inhabitants of the community believe in a correct God, or pray correctly or believe in a correct political/social ideology. Almost all problems are of material nature. Solve those and 99.99% of the people will remain thankful and submit to your governance and alliance.

    Like it or not, Shias are the minority. The only way to keep peace is to offer solutions to Sunni problems (which their Sunni leaders are increasingly incapable of solving). This is the only way a Shia crescent can move forward. An isolationist Shia crescent, incapable of providing for material needs of others, is doomed to failure.

    Or in short, as Fyi says, we only have each other.

  112. Smith says:

    Nasser says:
    June 27, 2014 at 12:27 am

    One should always keep this simple rule in mind when analyzing the world today: All Sunnis are susceptible to Wahabism. It is just how it is. Even Kurds. Even Turks. Even Chinese. It really does not matter. Things actually will go bad for Kurdistan. They are trying to become a Sunni champion under the misguided leadership of Barzani and in the absence of sanity of Talabani. It is now only a matter of time.

  113. Nasser says:

    Smith,

    Thank you for taking the time to respond to my comments. I will give you a proper response after I have given your points some more thought.

  114. Nasser says:

    Fyi,

    I have wondering something regarding India; from your understanding of history, did many Hindu leaders hold the opinion that “it is better to eject the poison from the body” and thus decided to let the Muslims have their own country on the two edges of India, and in the process letting themselves create a more cohesive polity out of the more useful remains? Or did that happen completely by accident rather than by design?

  115. Pouya says:

    Kooshy

    Excellent points on the economy. We all can see the numbers and the opinions forwarded on the economy by our media is totally false. This nation’s population is becoming poorer by the day. While that is being understood, the real question becomes where does this decline take America?

    James Canning

    I certainly hope that you are not suggesting that a Saudi Arabia, a nation created by the British intelligence services from straight lines on the sand, has any legitimacy. Does it?
    The reality is that people must get a better understanding of ME history and what must be understood is that legitimacy in ME is not identical to other regions. This is a region of thousands of years of history and the Saudis are not found anywhere in that timeline. Therefore, it is true that among the people of the ME the Saudis have no legitimacy, nor do any of the Persian Gulf states. That is a truth that your acceptance of it has little importance.
    There is no doubt that Western powers would like to accept the current states as legitimate because it only benefits them. Therefore, what the Western scholars accept as legitimate in ME is irrelevant as it is defined by self interest rather than the reality on the ground and the history of the people.
    History shows that the eastern provinces of current Saudi Arabia was part of the Persian Empire of Safavid dynasty and the Wester portions were ruled by The Ottomans. After the Collapse of the Safavid these regions remained Persian ruled but independent of the Afgans who conquered Isfahan. This includes the continued rule of Persians in the islands of the Persian Gulf including Bahrain. The Afghans simply did not go beyond the shores the Persian Gulf. Once Nader defeated the short rule of the Afgans, he united these regions, respected the Baghdad Pact and focus on conquering Afganistan and Inda which he accomplished.
    Because the Ottomans did not violate the Baghdad Pact, the weakened Ghajar Empire allowed western powers to develop bases in the Persian Gulf in the past 200 years separating Persians from Persians. The fall of the Ottomans opened the Western portion of the Arabian Peninsula and the power vacuum led to the British creating their own desires.
    There is a reason we have Shiites in eastern Iraq and Eastern Saudi Arabia and in Bahrain. That is because The Safavid adopted Shiism as their official religion of the Empire and the people they ruled. And this lack of legitimacy and the real possibility, though remote, that these regions can actually break is the real motivation of the Saudis to behave so virulently.

  116. hans says:

    Two days ago, Khaled Mashaal, the political Guru of Palestinian Islamic Resistance Hamas sent a letter to Iranian president Sheikh Hassan Rouhani informing him the current Israeli ‘War on Hamas’.

    Khaled Mashaal, this weasel, and you are impressed he sent a letter. As long as the Palestinian are willing to tolerate traitors like him, opportunists, they will never be free. He sold Syria for a few shekels!

  117. fyi says:

    Nasser says:

    June 28, 2014 at 1:52 am

    Before the late Mr. Gandhi joined the Indian Congress Party, the late Mr. Jinnah was a respected and prominent member of that party and the India Freedom movement.

    The man most responsible for the Partition and the deaths of millions was the late Mr. Gandhi – who had Hindu masses in his pockets, or so he thought.

    Later, the late Mr. Nehru and others deified him and hid behind him to advance their own agenda – marginalizing the late Mr. Jinnah.

    Until very late in the day, the late Mr. Jinnah was not interested in the idea of Pakistan as advocated by some other Muslim leaders of India Independence movement.

    I should think there is a special place in Hell for people like him; self-satisfied do-gooders who walked on the path to Hell.

  118. Nasser says:

    fyi says: June 28, 2014 at 8:12 am

    I am of the opinion that the Indian Muslims were the biggest losers from the resulting partition. I believe they made a mistake in breaking up India; had they remained within the Indian Union they were too large a minority that they would have to have been accommodated.

    I believe the Hindus and won from the partition managed to push their enemies onto the edges with two failed states named Pakistan and Bangladesh. I don’t know whether this happened through their machinations or by accident.

    Iran won too as it doesn’t have to have a land border with a ginormous country.

  119. Nasser says:

    Smith says: June 27, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    I of course agree with all your prescriptions for good governance. And this passage of yours was wonderful:
    “The idea of Shia crescent, polity and alliance is fine and glorious. But one should not forget that such an alliance will not flourish or even survive if it can not offer other human beings be they Sunni, Christian, Atheist, or Jew, a respectable place in its system. The difference between superior ideologies and inferior ones is in this. One considers all humans to have an inherent dignity irrespective of what they do or believe in, and the other believes the dignity is by association to a “divine/man made” construct.”

    I don’t think our vision for the Shia Crescent is that fundamentally different. The difference is that I am arguing that if one takes note of recent history and current trends then one must temper one’s ambitions and surely realize that a successful Shia Crescent must be more geographically limited in scope and contain less hostile populace within it who would inevitably need to be repressed and pacified.

    The Shia Crescent may well extend from the Levant to the Hindu Kush but it cannot succeed if it tries to include all the population and all the territory of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan within it. Iran can maintain social harmony and increase the living standards of people living within its current borders and even so if it includes others of the region that has an affinity for her, such as Shia Arabs, Hazaras, Sunni Tajiks etc but not so if it takes on the burden of looking out for its most bitter enemies. I don’t quite understand how one can find this matter so contentious; it seems rather obvious to me.

    The countries I mentioned are made up of national boundaries that are contemptuous of communal loyalties and old hatreds between people and are held together by state violence and the silly notion of “inviolability of borders.” In the case of Iraq and Afghanistan, people and territory were forcefully taken from Iran and were then handed over to and subjugated by Iran’s enemies. Why should Iran support this arrangement? Why should Iran want her enemies inside Herat or Basra? If people outside the borders of Iran want to give a big collective F U to Mr. Sykes and Mr. Gorges Picot then why should Iran oppose it?

    I never advocated for the Shia Crescent for Iranian vanity or because how glorious it would be but because I regarded it as a necessity, much like nuclear weapons. I believe the most immediate and fundamental task is to ensure the physical security of Iranians and those people of the Middle Eastern region that are friends of Iran and look to her for security. These non Iranian people I am talking about are mostly Shia but not just Shia, who are also included in this group. If these people want to stop being perpetual victims of machinations of Western imperialists and Sunni savagery then they must become stronger, period. They must cooperate more closely with another, combine their resources and thus increase their power. For this grouping to be viable it must have a lot of cohesion; its people must share common threats and hold sympathy for one another.

    You write: “For instance are any studies being done in University of Tehran’s history department regarding Millet system of Ottoman empire that can guide the formation of a political system in which Sunnis in Anbar can experience a better life under a Shia government than they do in Egypt or Saudi Arabia or under Isis?
    …We should not forget that 99.99% of the problems in any human community is not whether the inhabitants of the community believe in a correct God, or pray correctly or believe in a correct political/social ideology. Almost all problems are of material nature. Solve those and 99.99% of the people will remain thankful and submit to your governance and alliance.”

    I don’t think promise of material gain alone can always ensure compliance. Otherwise people wouldn’t fight colonial humiliation so passionately, sanctions would always work and Muslims all over would be begging for the friendship of Israelis. Iran has done wonders for Herat and Western Afghanistan and has been a generous host to refugees and yet is so hated by so many Afghans.

    The fact that such studies on the Ottoman and Mughal systems are not being done vigorously is lamentable but it would still not provide answers for the Sunni Arab and Sunni Pashtun questions. They are fighting the Shias and Iranian allies so vigorously over the question of who will be master. They will never accept the status afforded the Shias, Jews or Christians under the Millet system. They have been masters for too long to simply accept loss of power. Promising them a better life in the future under Iranian/Shitte leadership is humiliating and unpalatable to them. Simply put, one must recognize the fact that some enemies are implacable. Some people don’t like Iran and regard Shias as kafirs no matter what. Has the last thirty plus years of history taught us nothing? How about the very recent history with Ikhwan of Egypt and Turkey? Are we to disregard all historical experience and facts and obstinately claim the universality of the Ummah?

    In my previous two postings my only argument was that what is taking place at the moment, this unfolding of artificial borders and people coalescing around where their actual loyalties lie, is natural, inevitable and most importantly advantageous to the Shiite Crescent. That is because it only frees them up and allows them to create a more cohesive grouping. Furthermore, if these enemies of Iran claim what they hold and go their separate ways the Shiite Crescent would be left with the most useful parts; oil deposits, industrial urban centers, arable land and friendly people reliant on Iran for their security. Despite what you and fyi have claimed I do believe in the value of people and having a large population base. This grouping I advocate for would include over a hundred million people and absolutely tremendous resource endowments. I don’t buy the argument that this would necessarily prevent Iran from advancing its industry and technology and inevitably condemn us to a rentier government system supported by revenues from resource extraction. I am of the belief that increasing one’s resources and population base but being mindful of creating a more tightly knit and cohesive grouping would only leave Iran and its friends better off.

    I think trying to win over Iran’s enemies with promises of future prosperity is doomed to failure as history has repeatedly showed and trying to forcefully have them included in your system through various levels of repression (which is the logical extension of trying to keep the current arrangement in Iraq in place) is doubly foolhardy. Much better to have the poison extracted from the body. We only need to look at the example of Ukraine to know this to be true. Ukraine and Russia should be closer together than Iran and Iraq or even Canada and USA. But since Galicians are included in the body politic of that country we have a hostile and motivated minority aided and abetted by US and Russia’s neighbors hijack that nation’s policies and engage in virulent anti Russian behavior. Iraqi Sunnis define their identity and their nationalism as being anti Iranian as much as the Galicians define their nationalism as anti Russianism. Any future union between Russia and Ukraine must exclude this grouping, the same goes for Iran and Iraq. The situation is more acute for Iran because obviously it is much weaker than Russia and less able to defend itself from combined NATO GCC machinations.

    You say: “Like it or not, Shias are the minority. The only way to keep peace is to offer solutions to Sunni problems (which their Sunni leaders are increasingly incapable of solving). This is the only way a Shia crescent can move forward. An isolationist Shia crescent, incapable of providing for material needs of others, is doomed to failure.”

    But I am strongly of the opinion that we will only know peace when we are strong enough to enforce it! Law of nature dictates only the strong and powerful shall enjoy peace and security. Jews of Israel are an extreme minority but they are still rich and secure. Sunni Arabs are a minority in the Persian Gulf yet they are rich, control most of the oil there and until very recently even controlled Iraq. For Iran, Shiites and other desperate minorities of the Middle East to know peace and defend themselves they must unite and become strong; not make endless concessions to their enemies.

    By the way I never suggested for the creation of a Shiite hermit kingdom. To my mind Iran set upon a course where it would be the master of its own destiny and must see this to completion. Self reliance means taking care of your own problems and not relying on the largess of others for your security or prosperity. This is very difficult yes but well worth pursuing.

    Lastly, yes Shias are a minority in the wider Muslim world but what large populous Sunni countries like Indonesia, Bangladesh, Egypt, or India think or does is inconsequential to Iran. Pakistan though is of course very consequential. But they are not reflexively anti Iranian as Arab Sunnis or Afghan Pashtuns are (efforts of British, American and Saudi intelligence not withstanding) but are instead reflexively anti Indian. As you have argued, I too believe Iran should try to win friends there by providing for some meaningful energy assistance. But Iran should hedge itself anyway by being armed to the teeth with nukes; just in case.

  120. masoud says:

    Nasser says:
    June 26, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    You’ve got it exactly backward. The ‘small states’ strategy is the biggest threat to the region and must be put down at all costs. The model to rehabilitate Iraq must be have based on the Lebabnese and not Yugoslovian model.

    Can you imagine the chaos that would ensue, that outsiders could trigger if every slightly differentiated ethnic, linguistic or cultural group had its own state? It wouldn’t stop at shia arrab, sunni Arab and Kurd. We would soon have Turkmen, shia Kurd, kurmanji Kurd, zaza-gorani kurd, Turkmen, Sunni Turkmen, Marsh Arab and more besides. And that’s only in Iraq. Turkey would be just as bad, just Syria would have been. You think its merely happenstance that we were reading all those articles during the past couple of years predicting that any day now Asad would flee to Allepo to shore up and Allawi coastal enclave, and abandon the rest of the country? These weren’t just shot in the dark predictions, they were what the Zionists and the Americans were trying to cause to happen. They understand that the number of conflicts and hatreds that can be cultivated and fanned would grow exponentially with the number identifiable ‘minorities’, each one a different avenue for them to insinuate themselves into the affairs of the region. The Zionist regime would just be one abomination among many.

    But they’ve blundered. The ISIS offensive, and their ‘governing’ of Western Iraq for a coupe of weels is the best thing that can happen for Iran’s popularity in Iraq. It will be the biggining of the end for the until today effective sectarianism promoted by Saudi Arabia.

  121. kooshy says:

    مسعود بارزانی اعلام کرد: حضور نیروهای پیشمرگه در کرکوک به این معنی نیست که کردها در این مناطق خود را تحمیل کرده اند.
    وی افزود: کردها همه پرسی برگزار خواهند کرد و به تصمیم ساکنان آن احترام خواهند گذاشت و این در کمال شفافیت خواهد بود.

    (Mr. Barezani is saying that he will have people of Karkok vote if they want to Join Kurdistan) apparently this the new annexation style of conquerors, or is it the western prescribed democracy the whole word\ld was promised?

    This for those of you that were questioning why Iran didn’t vote against UNGA and for Russia on Crimea resolution, if she would have voted against that voted annexation she had no excuse to refuse this one if it ever comes up.

  122. masoud says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    June 27, 2014 at 8:10 am

    As for being kept in the West’s corporate hegemony, Iran really only has itself to blame for that. It took decades for the US to close off Iran’s routes to the dollar. In all that tiime Iran did nothing to effectively address the problem. Instead of seeking out agreements on guarunteeing mechanisms for currency swaps with the central banks of its large customers, it found was busy seeking out new banks to bribe into carrying out US dollar transactions on it’s behalf.

    It’s hard to contemplate the extent of Stupidity and Gharbzadegi it takes to be in Iran’s position on the world stage and refuse to even imagine how to do business without having it mediated through the US dollar.

  123. masoud says:

    kooshy says:
    June 28, 2014 at 9:48 am

    Barzani is a petulant little shit. What’s more, he’s in the Turk’s pocket. Notice how ISIS hasn’t even tried to expand into the KRG territory. Just as it has for some mysterious reason declined to expand into Turkey or Jordan.

  124. kooshy says:

    masoud says:
    June 28, 2014 at 9:57 am

    In the same way have ever heard ISIS or Al Q or any other US/UK planed and made terrorist groups attack Israel or any western interests, these groups are made and paid by US

  125. kooshy says:

    Karl.. says:
    June 28, 2014 at 10:09 am

    I agree, I am confused as what just happened, haven’t figured this one out yet what the deal is

  126. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    masoud,

    I fully agree. When Ahmadinejad admin tried to move in that direction, the shitstorm began.

    Result: Rohani and the western lobby in Iran won the next elections because Ahmadinejad allegedly “ruined” the economy.

    Bullshit.

    My point precisely that the siyah-namai by Rohani, Velayati, Rezai during campaign and Rohani’s, Zanganeh’s, Nematzadeh’s meetings/statements with/about western corporations after the elections are not hamin-joori.

    We sanction you, but if you buy from us we throw you a few bones and “reduce” some of the sanctions.

    Even more important than preventing an Iran-BRICS alignment is making Iranians na-omid about the need for domestic industrialization and production.

    Just sell us your oil at a “reasonable” price and buy whatever you need from us with the petrodollars- like in the old days. And the cronies are the middle-men- just like in the old days.

    Same blood-sucking “elites” as before and whenever things get “hairy”- meaning somebody wants to put their feet to the fire- off to the second home in London/Paris/NYC/Toronto until a new admin in Tehran starts sucking our nuts again as is our feudal right- fuck the illiterate peasants and bricklayers!

    Apparently that’s why we made the revolution and fought the war for, right?

  127. masoud says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    June 28, 2014 at 10:29 am

    This goes back to what I told you a couple of weeks ago about there not being any Iranian Warren Buffet or Bill Gates. The point isn’t that types of people are somehow more morally virtuous or deserving of wealth in an absolute sense. The point is that as long as the current mercantilist mentality is ascendant in Iran, no one is going to take the risks associated with doing something different enough to be wildly successful. And the result is this kind of copy cat stagnation.

    Anyone here heard of Google? Controls among other things, 75% of the smatphone and tablet market, right? How about project Ara?
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T6BHJspyh6s

    The pace of innovation that this company sets is simply mind blowing. And despite objections you might offer about them, there simply isn’t any organization in Iran which is able to put it’s money where it’s mouth is and do anything truly big. The only notable semi-exception to this is the Iran defense industries.

    And what gets to me is the casualness with witch Iran which Rohani will talk about his efforts in removing sanctions anytime he is asked about his plans to improve the economy, leave aside his active prosecution, decimation, and perhaps even impending execution of entities that were actively helping the government mitigate the sanctions. As if Khameini hasn’t told him expressly, publicly, and categorically, on several occasions that this is not a strategy that can serve the interests of the nation. Where the hell have all those hotheads who wanted to burn world to the ground when Ahmadinejad took a week’s worth of Sick days?

  128. masoud says:

    kooshy says:
    June 28, 2014 at 10:25 am

    France has been their base of operations for decades. But recently they’ve moved on to much greener pastures in the US, and even Canada where Mrs. Rajavi is being treated with the level of awe and reverance in the media that was once reserved for the crown-prince-in-exile himself. My guess is that the French Establishment is feeling a little love-lorn.

  129. kooshy says:

    It is really sad to see the US regime is now using the somewhat academic credibility of national Geographic for political propaganda purposes.
    Under the new section called “Daily News” since when NG is doing daily news? And by: Avi Asher-Schapiro really NG couldn’t find someone with more of an Arab or Muslim or better yet a Kurd to write for this daily news. For our Boys at US propaganda agencies in way of King Crimson “desperation will be my epitaph”

    The Kurds May Seize the Moment to Break Free of Iraq
    Their centuries-old dream of statehood is coming closer amid the chaos of war.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/06/140628-iraq-kurds-independence-kurdistan-sunni-baghdad/#

  130. Nasser says:

    A good analysis by Mindfriedo provided on Saker’s blog. The comment he left at the comment section is very good too and one I agree with wholeheartedly.

    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/06/two-shortlong-analyses-by-mindfriedo.html

  131. kooshy says:

    From the same NG article I just posted

    “Kemal Atatürk’s Turkish nationalist movement rejected the treaty, which would have conceded chunks of eastern Turkey to the Kurdish state. Atatürk renegotiated with the Allies, and the new peace—known as the Treaty of Lausanne—divided the Kurds between Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran, and Armenia. Scattered throughout five newly birthed nations………………………”

    Who new Iran was carved out as a “new nation” based on the “Treaty of Lusanne” I always thought Iran and the Ottoman Empire resolved their border disputes way before the WWI conclusion, did this Mr. Avi Asher-Schapiro (most probably a very nervous Jewish writer) for the National Geographic ever heard of the “1639 Treaty of Zuhab” or “1847 Treaty of Erzurum” if he hasn’t he is not qualified to write on historic boundaries of Iran and Iraq , if he did and he ignored to mention and inform then this guy is hired propagandist.

  132. James Canning says:

    Pouya,

    Ibn Saud would have conquered Jordan if Britain had not prevented him from so doing. He also wanted to become king of Iraq.

    Britain did not create Saudi Arabia, and in fact Britain would have preferred that Ibn Saud not conquer the Hejaz.

  133. James Canning says:

    Bussed-In Basiji,

    Do you think Russian corporations should have acccess to the Iranian marketplace?

  134. James Canning says:

    Kooshy,

    Russia had made arrangements with France and Britain, for Russia to annex much of what today is northern and eastern Turkey. Bolshevik coup put paid to those plans. And Germany too, for that matter, given its defeat of Russia.

  135. James Canning says:

    Nasser,

    I agree with your suggestion the Muslims should not have demanded partition of India.

  136. fyi says:

    masoud says:

    June 28, 2014 at 11:09 am

    The absence of analogues of Google or Microsoft is a testament to the hostile environment for innovation, for new knowledge, new processes, new legal codes, new products and new solution and in general change & improvement that prevails outside of the core states of North America and Western Europe.

    800 years of “bid’a” being a negative word cannot be overcome in a few decades.

    Look below: where is a Muslim woman scholar who made the study of Christianity her life’s work?

    http://www.fardanews.com/fa/news/350985/عکسمتن‌خواندنی‌سنگ‌قبریک‌محقق‌آلمانی

  137. nico says:

    fyi says:

    “The absence of analogues of Google or Microsoft is a testament to the hostile environment for innovation”

    Inaccurate BS examples.

  138. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    masoud-jan,

    Like I responded to you at that time Gates “copied”/”stole” the initial OS and Microsoft is basically a printing company of stolen software with the US govt./Pentagon as its largest customer.

    Nothing “innovative” as far as I can tell. Not to mention that Windows actually and in reality sucks.

    Apple and Steve Jobs- now that would be a better example.

    Buffet himself says that his case is a complete statistical freak. Also not a very good example.

    The only way forward is high tariffs on imports and protected industrial growth for 2-3 generations- similar to what occurred in Germany, US, Japan in the 19th-20th century.

    Industrial growth doesn’t come in the form that US myth would have us believe- intrepid genius/entrepreneur against the world blah blah blah bullshit…

    In fact the way mass industrialization occurs is with protected domestic industries behind high tariff walls and heavily subsidized by the government (also called “tax money” or in the case of Iran “oil money”)- usually focused on defense industry- over a 2-3 generations.

    US industrial policy over the last 69 years has a name:

    It’s called “The Pentagon”.

    Industrialization has nothing to do with being Protestant/Catholic/Shia/Sunni/Jewish/Confuscian/Buddhist/atheist/etc.- Nothing whatsoever.

    Don’t believe the bullshit economists/sociologists/Weber/fyi tell(s) you.

  139. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Gav,

    My preference is for Iranian corporations to take over the world (irony?) but if I had to choose between Russian or British corporations being active in Iran, I prefer Russian companies.

    Why?

    First: Brits- like you and the Prince of Wales- are bitches that offer their backsides to Najdi bedouins for a few pound sterling.

    Two: I hate fuckin limeys.

    Cheers

  140. kooshy says:

    Iran warns Iraqi Kurds on independence
    Iran is angered that Erbil is fighting Sunni rebels only in Kurdish areas and not aiding the Iraqi army in other areas

    ERBIL – Iran warned the Kurdistan Regional Government President Masood Barzani for calling for the division of Iraq in a 25 June statement released by Iran’s foreign ministry spokeswoman. The statement is a message from Iran that they will not accept a Kurdish independent state allied to Turkey and shows that they are fully supporting the Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. – See more at: http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iran-warns-iraqi-kurds-independence/182620286#sthash.hCoxBmHW.dpuf

    —–
    I don’t think anybody can see a day that the Kurds can be allied to Turkey; yes it’s possible that Erdogan and Barezani be allied but is impossible for Turks and Kurds to become allies, as the statement by the FM spokeswoman says, the same is true for Kurds with respect to Iran, Iran can’t accept a Kurdish independent country period. If Kurds want to survive in peace and have decent autonomy on their business governance affairs “Historically” they have no alternative “choice” but to accept Iran’s strategic requirements which is an allied shih government in Iraq, which economically is a perfect match, Iran buys religious tourism from Iraq forever, and Seles affordable consumer and manufactured infrastructure goods to Iraq.

  141. Pouya says:

    Separation of Kurds does not threaten Iran. Iran already deals with Azerbaijan Republic and it can deal with Kurdistan. Just because a nation is named after an Iranian province it does not mean it has a right over Iran’s territory or that it threatens Iran.
    On the other hand, Kurdestan is landlocked and it has to have positive relations with all its neighbors including Iran. The country that it most threatens are the Turks who are up to 25% kurds. This would become an advantage to Iran, as the Turks see Kurdestan as an existential threat to their republic.

    A long term Shia-Sunni war is not good for anyone but it also has its upside for Iran. Iran will ultimately be the beneficiary of a Sunni led war agains the Shia. 1-The Saudis have to bankroll such a war with expensive western weaponry which eventually would bankrupt them. On the other hand, Iran would bankroll it by purchasing weapons from private Iranian manufacturers, possibly by deficit expenditures. In the long run it would strengthen Iran’s economy while the Saudis go bankrupt. 2-Ultimately a Sunni-led war against Shia would mean a confrontation of the Saudis with their own population which is 40% Shia in the eastern provinces. This would be a civil war in the kingdom. Not a pretty scenario, and certainly a terrible outcome, but even such a terrible outcome ultimately plays into the hands of Iran.

    As I have said before, Iran deals with the actual facts on the ground and the history of the region which overwhelmingly favors a pro-Iran outcome no matter what desperate measures are taken.

  142. Karl.. says:

    pouya

    Since US but maybe even more Israel have said they support (just some days ago) a kurdish state I would say only that is a threat to Iran and the region in whole.

  143. fyi says:

    Pouya says:

    June 29, 2014 at 2:29 am

    I think as long as Iran and the Shia Crescent do not have the power and capacity to bring war to Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, and Israel we cannot hope to prevent these types of military actions against members of the Shia Crescent.

    The weakness of Iran and the Shia Crescent in this regard has made it possible for such reckless adventurism by regional and extra-regional states against them.

    In time, Pakistan may also be induced to act against the Shia Crescent.

    War must be brought to Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia; defensive action will not be sufficient.

  144. Karl.. says:

    fyi

    “In time, Pakistan may also be induced to act against the Shia Crescent.”

    Arent they already doing that?

  145. fyi says:

    Karl.. says:

    June 29, 2014 at 9:45 am

    No, not yet.

    In fact, Pakistan under the previous government was accommodating to Iranian interests in Afghanistan and elsewhere – within the bounds of the structural weaknesses of Pakistan.

    Since India has thrown her lot with US, Pakistani leaders can count on US restraining India’s Pakistan policy.

    That enables them to harass Iran – if they are given enough money from US and Saudi Arabia.

  146. Rehmat says:

    CNN: Hillary Clinton should apologize to Israel for calling West Bank being an “occupied territory” in her memoir published two weeks ago.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/06/29/hillary-clinton-needs-to-apologize-to-israel/

  147. Nasser says:

    fyi says

    “War must be brought to Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia; defensive action will not be sufficient.”

    – How exactly can war be brought to these states when they are backed by US/NATO?

    In my judgement the only path forward for the Shiite Crescent is to be well armed enough to deter such reckless adventurism on their opponent’s part. Meaning being armed to the teeth with nukes.

  148. kooshy says:

    How Iran Won the Afghanistan Deal with the US in 2001

    Seyed Hossein Mousavian

    “After one of the SNSC meetings, Qasem Soleimani, the commander of Qods Army, told me, without holding back on his ill feelings toward George Bush’s response to Iran’s invaluable assistance, that when cooperation had begun, he had suspected that the US request for our help might have been a tactical move and not intended to lead to long-term cooperation. But I also viewed Iran’s assistance as a no-lose proposition. If the US was sincere, we would help them topple our arch enemy and al-Qaeda, an extremist terrorist group that threatened our security, the region, and the international community. Then broader cooperation would be possible. Qasem jokingly responded that “in that case, the dreams of you westoxificated diplomats would come true.” Nonetheless, he agreed that even if the US was not sincere, we would still have eliminated our enemy.

    Qasem posited that if the US wanted to betray us and break away from us once they were established in Afghanistan, they would become trapped like the Soviets before them. Americans were not familiar with the complexities of Afghanistan. “Americans do not know the region, Americans do not know Afghanistan, Americans do not know Iran,” Qasem added. In any case, we would win, he argued, and if the Americans crossed us, they would have to leave in defeat”

    http://www.iranreview.org/content/Documents/How-Iran-Won-the-Afghanistan-Deal-with-the-US-in-2001.htm

  149. masoud says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    June 28, 2014 at 10:23 pm

    Iran doesn’t even need to impose tarrifs. The US has been kind enough to do that for us. We need to stop trying to bribe our way out of them.

    I’m the last person on the planet you would need to preach to about the ills and overhype of Microsoft. You would actually do better to preach to every single last major website we have in Iran, all of which prefer to pirate Microsoft technology and products to using perfectly accessible and technologically superior open source softwqre. Quibling with examples doesn’t invalidate the broader point. Sub in Larry Page or Elon Musk if you don’t like the more widely known examples Ive already given. The reason we don’t have equivalent Iranian figures isn’t because of some arcane set of cultural, it’s because people have no incentive to truly make it big. No one wants to deal with the politics that would neccesarily come into play.

  150. fyi says:

    masoud says:

    June 29, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    I do not think you grasp the extent of the revolution that Microsoft and Intel have caused on this planet.

    [By the way, neither Microsoft nor Intel could exist anywhere outside of the United States – this is an strength of the United States that almost no other country, including Iran, will never ever will be to match – I can state that with metaphysical certainty.]

    the Windows Operating System and Intel 8086 family of chips and the IBM PC Architecture provided a stable computational platform that brought computing to the masses in the world.

    If you travel to India, you can buy yourself a keyboard in any of the various alphabets of India and connect to a version of Windows in that scripts. Windows Operating System currently supports almost all extant human languages that have a system of writing.

    In this manner, the Wintel platform has made computing accessible to hundreds of millions of people on this planet; significantly enhancing the quality of life for everyone. Mr. Gates and company ought to have been awarded several Noble Peace Prizes just for this fantastic achievement.

    And that plant would and could only grow on the fertile soil of the United States and nowhere else – certainly not Iran.

    As for the open-source; I imagine you mean LINUX and its derivatives – which require deep and arcane knowledge to install, configure and maintain – it cannot in any way be compared to Windows in its significance or impact.

    Linux machines – servers and now smart phones – are not used for content production. That place of honor is still occupied by the Wintel PC.

    When foreigners immigrate to the United States, they realize that they are, in a manner of speaking, are unchained – the state, the society, the law are not there to hinder them. They are told that they can do whatever they want – within the Law – and very many of those immigrants proceed to do just that.

    It is not only the presence of incentives in US, it is absence of malice and envy towards the creative thinker and tinkerer and businessman.

  151. James Canning says:

    Rehmat,

    The West Bank obviously is “occupied territory”, but Aipac, ADL and other elements of extremist Israel lobby tries to suppress free speech by American politicians.

  152. masoud says:

    fyi says:
    June 29, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    With all due respect, I think I am much better informed on this subject than you are.

    While Microsoft’s contributions aren’t as trivial as Bussed-in-Basiji makes them out to be, they have done more harm than good, and owe a lqrge part of their market position to crooked business practices.

    If Microsoft wasn’t the first to cheat their way to the top, it would have been some other, probably much better, company. And those Indian kids would have been just fine.

    If you want to know what feels like to use a truly great operating system, take a look at Debian GNU/Linux. It’s organizational structure is extremely interesting as well. It’s both merit based and democratic. The Apache Foundation is another similarly well run organization. Neither organization is run with the intention to make a profit. Software is actually one of the few fields that Iran can make a lot of progress in without meaningful reform of the wider economic system.

  153. James Canning says:

    Bussed-In Basiji,

    If an American corporation is owned by a Russian corporation, would you argue that Iran should prevent the American corporation from engaging in business in Iran?

    You have a pronounced tendency to see political issues in terms of sex.

  154. masoud says:

    masoud says:
    June 29, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    BTW,
    Linux has had much better multilingual support, for far longer than windows has.

  155. A concerned world citizen says:

    Barzani’s noise about Kurdish independence is a sure recipe for a wider regional war that will destroy all those involved. I really hope he’s not that foolish.

    Basically, his “independence” bit benefits the Israelis and Erdogan’s AKP as it provides them with cheap stolen oil from Iraq.

    Turkey’s been trying very hard to find an alternative to oil/gas supply from Iran. This is what’s led them to their madness in Syria and now Iraq. They know their balls are tied by Iran due to their dependence on Iranian oil/gas. They don’t like this arrangement but there’s no alternative. Like their Israeli buddies that have resorted to stealing Lebanon’s gas in the Mediterranean sea, the Turks are also looking for easy oil to steal. Barzani’s been a pliable puppet no Turkish government had ever dream of having.

    If anything will unite all Iraqis, Barzani’s quest for Kurdish independence will be it… He should stick to his corrupt ways and not pounch above his weight..

  156. fyi says:

    masoud says:

    June 29, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    Does LINUX have support for Ancient Greek?

    I do not think so; you cannot load an Ancient Greek version of LINUX.

    Nor is there an Telegu version of it.

    What I stated stands – the locale-specific versions of Windows operating system running on Intel chips with IBM architecture revolutionized computing globally.

    Some people like LINUX, its arcane command-line and text-based interface provides jobs for LINUX/UNIX Administrators. For many others, such as myself, Windows is the preferred choice for both its ease of administration as well as the availability of applications.

    I am familiar with the Apache Foundation and its products; good for someone who does not like the MS stack and prefers to be a Microsoft antagonist; really playing into the hands of IBM and Oracle in their struggle against Microsoft.

  157. Smith says:

    Nasser says:
    June 28, 2014 at 9:30 am

    Some points:

    1- I do not think IRI can limit itself geographically. The foundation ideology of IRI is universalist (“estekbar” vs “mostaza’fin”) therefore such limitation goes against the very basis on which IRI lives. The ideologies and the systems they form, can live as long as they can reconcile their internal inconsistencies. IRI can not live in a geographically limited area and leave alone the rest of the world. This is too big of an inconsistency that IRI can handle.

    Also remember alot of the population inside Iran is hostile to IRI, but this does not and can not affect IRI since, the ideological basis of IRI remains strong. Limiting IRI geographically though can weaken IRI. At least that is how I see it. Another example is that, IRI has even been trying to carve a habitat for itself in South America and Africa though due to its chronic weaknesses in economy, science and technology, it has not been very successful. What IRI wants is actually bigger than Shia crescent and the Shia crescent in just one component of IRI’s total world vision.

    2- When analyzing the Sunnis one must be careful that they are not a unified entity of faithfuls. Among them, some are more anti-shia and others are pro-shia. The majority is actually pro-shia but they are powerless and this is an opportunity for IRI to play its role here. Take the example of South Asia. The deobandi which was created by the British to subdue the Muslim community during British Raj are usually anti-shia. The Taleban was deobandi. So are the anti-shia forces in Pakistan killing the Shias. But the majority of South Asian Muslim community is Brelvi who are not anti-shia (in fact they themselves are being killed by deobandis).

    3- The black and white model of a geographical entity in which only pro-shia and pro-Iran live is tempting. But this does not fit with history and historical reality. As I said above, a superior system is one in which every one can live in with in the boundary of laws. This is something that Iranians empires were usually very good at building. Cyrus would not have been great if he tried to create an empire made of only one sect or one tribe. He devised systems in which every one lived in peace, unless if they wanted to challenge the system in which case the punishment was swift.

    4- Majority of Sunnis in Iraq even those disillusioned in Anbar are going to find out that living under savages such as Isis, is much worse than living under a representative governance by Shias. It is only a matter of time. Building an empire is not a race. One must take his time. I am sure Iran is not in a hurry to liberate Sunnis under Isis. Neither should be Iraqis. Let them experience their nightmare.

    5- Though Iran can live with both a divided Iraq and an undivided Iraq but for Iran’s future strategic vision, a unified Iraq is much more preferable. In fact, the Axis Powers are trying their best to balkanize Iraq. Iran must not allow that. For just 10% of Arab Sunnis and 15% of Kurds which comprise Iraqi population, this is too high a price. And not all of these Kurds and Arab Sunnis actually want a balkanized Iraq. The most Iran should allow is a tribal area as British had made in North West Frontier Province of British Raj. Let Isis live there and harass Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Jordan. US and its allies will then soon beg Shia crescent to finish this tribal area. That is why it is important that Iraq remains unified. I am sure Iranians policy maker think the same.

    6- Colonialism never provided material gain to colonies. After all they were seen as slaves. Material gain is very important. Humans except for brief and short periods of their lives, actually live a material life. The Anbar province protests were over material gain, not for the happiness of God. Pakistan and Turkish Airforce uses equipment made in Israel for its F-16 and almost every Iranian home has a microprocessor that has been designed/tested/researched in Israel (Intel has a huge research facility in Israel). The mighty Iraqi army that had stalled Iranians for over 8 years was decimated by sanctions, never to rise again.

    The majority of Afghans do not hate Iran. I encourage you to study further about deobandi influence among Pashtun culture. A small minority of deobandi Pakhtoons in Afghanistan hate Iran. That also because they are paid for it. First by British and nowadays by Saudi Arabia.

    7- The Pashtuns have never fought Iran to prove who is the master. They fight because they are paid for it, as I said above. You must understand that traditional Pashtun culture is dominated by tribe mentality and the tribe chief being the patriarch who has complete control over the tribe. Iran could have paid these chiefs and made a friendship with them. Instead it was the British that were paying these tribal chiefs and bribing them to fight Iran. War is the only industry the Pashtun tribes have. The question is if you want to hire this industry or you want it to let others to hire them against you. Iranians since Qajar have preferred the second option.

    8- You said:

    “Has the last thirty plus years of history taught us nothing? How about the very recent history with Ikhwan of Egypt and Turkey? Are we to disregard all historical experience and facts and obstinately claim the universality of the Ummah?”

    War and peace are not eternal. One must see them as instruments to further his ideological and material objectives. A weak entity like Iran locking horns with a stronger entity like US has only one way to defeat the opponent. Here I have to emphasize strongly that there is only one way and not anymore. This only way is proving to be principled and having dignity. If Iran also tries to imitate the US, then Iran can never win. If Iran wants to impose itself as US does, then Iran will definitely lose.

    This principled force due to its principles is ready to support Ikhwan/Hamas/Sunnis of Anbar not because they hate the guts of Shia and Iran but because of Iran’s principle of supporting Mostaza’fin. Whether they be in Egypt, Iraq or in Venezuela. Whether they like Iran or they hate Iran. This is something that the stronger US is incapable of doing. And I think Imam buried the idea of Ummah as it existed in context of a Caliphate (which Sunnis still believe in). He basically made a “temporary adhoc” system till the emergence of Hidden Imam who will then address the issue of Ummah. It was a very clever theoretical construct with great implications now and in future.

    9- Finally, though oil is important, it is perhaps should be looked at as a small part of the power of Shia crescent. The actual power of such an alliance should be in its human resources. Otherwise this crescent will fail. Natural resources are not as important as are the management of human resources. Something that Iran is extremely weak in.

  158. fyi says:

    A concerned world citizen says:

    June 29, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    Largely a trial balloon to see what the reaction would be.

    Turkey imports its energy from both Russia and Iran and she has no other alternatives.

    I do not think that their Syrian policy was in response to their energy dependency on Iran (or Russia); it was an Axis Powers Diktat that also caressed with Mr. Erdogan’s ego; predicated on quick (less than 3 months) victory of anti-government forces.

    We are in the 3-rd year of the World War in Syria with no end in sight. Turkey, which was selling her products to Syria (and Iraq) has now lost both markets and it is doubtful that she would regain her position there.

    Americans, Russians (in USSR), Europeans, Israelis, Turks, and Iraqis all went into various wars over the last 35 years expecting quick and decisive victories. Once the wars failed to terminate according to the time tables of the aggressor powers, their war aims were eviscerated and they had to fight a rear-guard action to withdraw with some semblance of honor and order.

    But they have yet to absorb those lessons – “War is Cheap, Peace is Expensive” remains their mantra.

  159. Smith says:

    @ Nasser,

    India is not a unified country. It has never been in its entire history. Except for the period when Muslims ruled it (using Iranian court/government system and Persian language), India even did not have a central government during its history. Today, there are more armed separatists movements in India than in any other country in the world. 22 national languages, and still Tamil-Nadu object to Hindi being declared as official language, they prefer English. The North Indians hate the guts of the South Indians. India is a mess. From Iran’s point of view, the creation of Pakistan was a divine gift. Since it created a buffer between over a billion people and Iran.

  160. fyi says:

    Smith says:

    June 29, 2014 at 2:22 pm

    India was unified under the late Ashoka – but very briefly.

    And the two states of Karnataka and Maharastra would have been at war with each other several times if they had not been part of the Indian Union.

    We have to wait and see if a unified India will long endure.

  161. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    June 29, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    What these people do not understand is the fact that technological products are not one off examples living on their own. These people are clueless. What makes Microsoft Windows special is its support for businesses. Its customer service. Microsoft provides solutions to its customers. Linux can not. Since it is not a profit making company, it can not invest in customer service. A business in South Africa can call a Microsoft customer service at 2 am Sunday and get a solution to a unique problem that popped up at 11 pm Saturday. Try doing that with Linux.

  162. James Canning says:

    Concerned,

    Turkey is granting tax concessions to many companies that will participate in the extension of Turkish gas lines into Iran. And you seem to argue the Turkish government is opposed to such an extension?

  163. fyi says:

    Smith says:

    June 29, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    On your number 1:

    This is understood by many leaders of Iran and the Iranian defensive doctrine is based on defense in depth from outside Iranian territory; “if we lose Syria we won’t be able to hold onto Khuzestan.”

    I think the government has not done a good job of explaining threat to Iran to the general population who evidently think that they have no enemies.

    On your number 3:

    That was in fact the historical significance of the Great King and the Persian Empire – the first Universal Empire within which various ethno-religious and ethno-linguistic formations could enjoy universal peace.

    It set the pattern for the aspirations of all subsequent empires that followed, both in the Near East as well as in Europe.

    Even Americans, who found themselves as a colossus on the international arena after WWII followed the same model until they chose to wage a religious war against Islam.

    On number 6:

    I am not sure there would be any Pashtuns left in a few generations; in Pakistan their language is being supplanted by Punjabi and they would become tribal Punjabis.

  164. Rehmat says:

    Putin, as an ex. KGB operative, will never trust Saudi ‘royals’ who have been supporting anti-Moscow insurgency in Chechnya.

    “Chechnya sides more with Turkey-Israel, though Tehran is still hoping to win it over. (In the crazy-quilt pattern of these matters, a leading Chechen figure, Khoj-Ahmed Noukhaev, has asserted that his sympathies are “with the small Jewish nation” against the Arabs; and Chechnya’s defense minister happens to be a Jordanian national and former military officer),” wrote one of the top Jewish Islamophobe Dr. Daniel Pipes in November 1998.

    http://rehmat1.com/2010/12/04/chechnya-the-israeli-connection/

  165. fyi says:

    Rehmat says:

    June 29, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    Chechens – Cherkes – were fools; they speak flawless Russian and one could see that they have no future outside of the Russian Federation.

    And when they were effectively independent during much of the late Boris Yelstin’s presidency, Chechnya became a haven for all manner of criminality.

    The Tatars in Kazan did not declare war against the Russian Federation – they were not stupid.

  166. Rehmat says:

    Lol – fyi

    Two of the three Pakistan’s military dictators have been Pashtuns. Punjab regiments don’t control Pakistan Army. Punjabis are not European Jews who control almost everything in Zionist entity including the 280 brothels in Tel aviv.

  167. Smith says:

    It is again time for injection.

    A bored Dutch guy, sitting in his home creates the idea of a modular phone. He is one of the persons behind the innovation of Project Ara. He called it phoneblocks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDAw7vW7H0c

    Which brings us to the question, how come a Dutch guy can imagine and think about an innovative idea but an Iranian guy remains as dumb as ever. When was the last time a revolutionary idea, an antibiotic or any good thing had been even imagined in Iran?

    How come a small city in Switzerland produces way more innovations in 3 months than the entire Muslim community in 500 years?

    It is not about Google and Microsoft. It is the imagination and innovation of Western mind that should be addressed. It is about why Iranians/Afghans/Pakistanis/Iraqis are dumb?

    It is about why Bell laboratories existed in US and created UNIX? It is about why a Western mind creates Linux and an Iranian is just interested in khordan and ridan?

    How come a scottish akhond invents Sterling engine, but not an Iranian akhond?

    These are the painful questions (injections).

  168. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    June 29, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    It is exactly as you say. Except that Pashtuns are very stubbornly nationalistic people and will survive. No doubt about that. In Pakistan, most of the Pashtuns do not even speak Urdu the national language and consider speaking Punjabi a kind of dis-honor. But you are right that as Pashtuns become more urbanized, they are losing their tribal and warring tendencies, preferring the comfort of cities and metropolitan lifestyle. After all they are also humans.

  169. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    June 29, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    Yes, brief exceptions in the history of the past 3000 years. As is the exception of the current Indian state. Let’s see what happens. There are even Maoists who are fighting and killing Indian soldiers and policemen. I mean, is a real mess there. Not a day passes in India without some kind of ethnic/religious/lingual riot. And still cast system is fully in force with zones in their cities for specific casts, vegetarians, ethnicity etc which are no go areas for others. Half the population does not have access to toilets.

  170. masoud says:

    fyi says:
    June 29, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    Of course Linux has support for Telegu and Ancient Greek. Linux supports all Unicode languages. As for your qualms about monotonous command lines:
    http://gnome-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=high

    But I don’t really care if you don’t believe me. You’d actually be in very good company. All those tens of millions of Iranians who refuse to believe anything they didn’t have to pirate can be any good love Microsoft products as well. I suppose you’d attribute this to 800 years of cultural Oghdei on their part. I’m not nearly wise enough to be able to know why myself.

    The vast majority of Apache products aren’t consumer oriented. They are mainly used to run high demand servers. So there’s no way that you could actually be familiar with breadth, depth and quality. But their organizational structure is open for anyone to study. It really is a shame that Iranian Universities don’t make creating or contributing to some such product a condition of graduation.

  171. fyi says:

    masoud says:

    June 29, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    I am not talking about UNICODE support; I am talking about versions of Windows in which the operating system displays everything in Japanese, or Simplified Chinese, or Persian, or Korean, or Arabic.

    You attach a keyboard customized for that language and you are computing in your own language; producing as well as consuming content.

    I am familiar more than you estimate with Apache products – All Java – All of the Time – or “Microsoft not spoken here.”

    Like the OMG before it, it was setup to stop Microsoft.

    There is no product that Apache produces that is relevant to software development on the Microsoft stack.

  172. Smith says:

    Rehmat says:
    June 29, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    You are clueless. Pakistan army has always protected the interests of Punjab at the cost of Bangalis, Pathans, Baluch, Sindhis and Muhajers.

  173. masoud says:

    So Windows can be configured to display all it’s messages in ancient Greek? Stop being a troll. There are linux localizations for Korean, Chinese, Persian and Telegu as well.

    You can Google all the exceptions to my opinions you like. But it really is quite an silly thing to do. The next thing I’d Google if I were you is the difference between building software and publishing standards

  174. masoud says:

    “There is no product that Apache produces that is relevant to software development on the Microsoft stack.”

    Actually, you’d be hard pressed to find any apache products that doesn’t run on windows. Many are widely deployed on Windows platforms.

  175. Smith says:

    The state of innovation in Iran and Muslim lands: http://khabaronline.ir/detail/362361/weblog/jafarian

    Then they come here and talk about “deficiencies” and “fraud” of Microsoft.

    No shame at all.

  176. masoud says:

    Smith says:
    June 29, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    Your choice of screen name says everything anyone needs to know about you.

  177. Pouya says:

    kooshy

    that is an important article by Mousavian.

  178. Smith says:

    And when the shameless are left without reason and logic they turn to ad hominem. Much like masoud Barzani who has also now got a new ally for his ad hominem: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/29/israel-prime-minister-kurdish-independence

    What a shameful choice of a screen name. At least Smith is hammering and creating. Not finding fault with Microsoft while masoud is busy in khordan and ridan.

  179. Smith says:

    The kebab and the cure for Aids: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/28/egypt-military-aids-cure-device-backtrack

    Then they have the shamelessness to come here and criticize Microsoft. And Smith, the first industrial profession. Such is their ignorance.

  180. Smith says:

    Iraq receives the first of Su-25 CAS planes from Russia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3kVydOsIYM

  181. Rehmat says:

    Last Sunday, Netanyahu in his first comment on ISIS victory in Iraq, said that Washington should stay out of the Iraqi conflict – and let the Sunni militants defeat the Shia-dominated government of prime minister al-Maliki and break-up Iraq. “This will weaken Iranian influence in the Arab region,” said Netanyahu during his address at Tel Aviv University’s INSS think-tank.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/06/30/netanyahu-isis-is-good-for-israel/

  182. Nasser says:

    Smith says:
    June 29, 2014 at 2:22 pm

    I was always amazed how very many Indians completely lack any vitriol towards Britain the way say Iranians do. Certainly they have suffered far more than Iranians did. So I asked some of them (Hindus) why that is.

    One reason is it seems it that they seem to have very little historical memory. But that alone didn’t explain it for me. It also seems very many feel genuine gratitude that the Brits left them a more united and cohesive India than they have ever had. I further found that the nationalistic Hindu types reserved their hatred and historical grievances not against the Brits but against the Mughals and other such non European i.e. Muslim, invaders. They never said it but I could feel it; they were glad the English kicked the Muslim rulers out for them.

    Yes, of course the partition of India was a Godsend for Iran as now it doesn’t have to share a land border with a mammoth country. As such Iran was the very first country in the world to recognize Pakistan. But Iran is not the issue here; I was rather trying to look at these events from the perspective of Indian Hindus. I believe the Hindus benefitted too because they got rid of the poison as it were from their body politic and were left firmly in charge of the remaining more useful bits of India. This way what was left of India truly became Hindustan.

    You also address the dysfunctionality of present day India. That is a separate matter entirely but no matter we can still talk about it. To my mind, the important question is whether India would be even more dysfunctional, even more of a mess and suffer from even more social tensions had it not been partitioned? I think that it would.

    Predictions foretelling the break up of India have continually been made only to be proven false over and over again. Yes India is very poor, it is a mess, their politicians are imbeciles, and the country is so overpopulated that it will probably always remain a poor mess. That doesn’t mean the country will break up. First, any break up would not significantly benefit any major group but would only leave them weaker. One must also keep in mind India already has a very federal structure already in place, giving the states a lot of (too much if one looks at it objectively) autonomy. But most importantly, most Indians and certainly the middle class and elites very strongly feel a sense of nationhood and historic identity. Ethno/lingual tensions don’t obviate this fact. Nor does it matter whether this sense of nationhood is based on actual historical reality or outright myths. Most Indians believe they are better off together and identify themselves as Indians and thats what matters.

    Lastly, unlike Iran, India has nuclear weapons to protect its territorial integrity from the machinations of outsiders.

  183. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    masoud-jan,

    Larry Page’s and Elon Musk’s biggest customer is the US government. In fact both of them are great examples of what I’m talking about.

    There is no such as the “free market” in US or anywhere- the only thing that exists in the US is public costs and private profits.

    The US- like every other country in history- has a government based-focused industrial policy and it’s called the Pentagon.

    Industrialization was, is and always will be a government-based “enterprise”- pardon the pun. Sorry to burst the bubble.

    When fyi and Smith get an ejaculation about how it can only happen in America and consider it- well,”blasphemous”- to question the American theology of “individual entrepreneurial progress” and the bullshit that goes with it- they actually mean that in America you are free to develop a product/service and sell it to the US govt. and then use the profits to do that again and again.

    And if your very smart- “a genius”- you can lobby the government to finance your costs, exempt your taxes and crush your competition.

    Now that’s what I call “The American Dream”!

    When the good people of Texas decided they needed a high-speed rail system linking Austin-Houston-Dallas Southwest Airlines made sure that that would never ever never happen. Can’t have people taking a train when there are 500 Boeing 737s waiting to fly those few miles-damn the fuel/environmental/any other considerations and merits of a rail system in Texas.

    The myth and the reality are very apart.

    In fact civilian airliners is another great historical example. Civilian aircraft production was never “profitable” as a commercial matter so Boeing and others financed this matter through their sales of military aircraft- obviously at inflated prices- for decades to the Pentagon until a commercial airline industry became “economically viable” in the late 1960s.

    Even today, commercial airlines would not be profitable as a pure enterprise without tax breaks, subsidies and the big one- publicly built airports. I know, the truth hurts.

    And of course let’s not forget the internet- all of it military origin.

    Exactly what Iran has been doing.

    Sorry I just don’t buy the Bill Gates/Warren Buffet/Larry Page/Elon Musk-whose- biggest-customer-is-the-US-govt-model of mass industrialization for Iran.

    I know, I’m being blasphemous.

    The greatest irony is that the best one of the lot- Apple- guess where their stuff is being “assembled”. Yes I know you’ve seen it on their products- what does it say?

    “Designed in California Assembled in …”.

    Loud salawat for Foxconn.

    They say the US is losing its industrial manufacturing base but the billionaires are getting richer, right?

    Been to Detroit/Long Beach/ fill-in-the-blank lately?

    In other words, if we follow the billionaire-selling-to-the-govt model of industrialization in Iran, we would need 10-20 of these guys selling stuff to “the corrupt mofos”, right? Now here we finally get to a place where bitch and I can agree that that would spell disaster in Iran, right?

    And then when the stuff is no longer subsidized/bought what happens? An Iranian Dteroit. Nope, not while we are around.

    OK I’ll say it for bitch and fyi using western civilization example cause they just can’t imagine it any other way:

    I prefer a “German” model of industrialization where there is a close partnership between private companies, public companies, national and local government, banks and of course unions (OK now that last one sealed my death warrant).

    Unfortunately what bitch doesn’t understand is that critical reflection on his religiously held beliefs about US civilization doesn’t mean denying the positive results that comes from an individual developing new products/services that help humanity.

    But you know, it’s just not all it’s cracked up to be.

    And others have mentioned before that bitch’s hardline between east/west Islam/non-Islam history/civilization is factually in correct. There is only one human history and one human civilization.

    Maybe Steve Jobs’ “success” was a result of the silent prayers of his Muslim biological father?

    Prove me wrong bitch! (he said ironically)

  184. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Did I mention that Windows sucks and Microsoft is a shitty company?

  185. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Gav,

    No, you have shown a tendency to offer your backside to Najdi bedouins to get a few billion pounds of military contracts. I think you would agree, wouldn’t who?

  186. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    “It is the imagination and innovation of Western mind that should be addressed. It is about why Iranians/Afghans/Pakistanis/Iraqis are dumb?”

    It’s about the dumb person saying such dumb things and thinking he’s a genius.

    That should be addressed.

  187. Empty says:

    RE:”Of course, American influence in the Middle East is declining as a consequence of George W. Bush’s “imperial overreach” on steroids. American influence is also declining because of Barack Obama’s perpetuation of Bush’s disastrous course, with military interventions in Libya and, less overtly, in Syria that have reinvigorated al-Qai’da-like jihadi extremism and set the stage for the dramatic rise of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.”

    1. Merriam-Webster defines influence as: “the power to change or affect someone or something : the power to cause changes without directly forcing them to happen.” Has there ever been a single moment in the United States history that it has not used direct force to make a change of critical value in other nations?

    2. Are we pretending that this so called “disastrous course” began with George W. Bush? Working in reverse chronological order (from GWB): 12 years of bombing the Iraqi persons and places that began during GHB and continued all throughout Clinton era; bombing of Sudan; aiding and abetting Saddam Hussein in his war crimes against Iran and against Iraqi Shi’a population; financing and proving military support to Taliban for nearly two decades; financing and supporting Israel in his crimes against Palestine and Lebanon during multiple US administrations;… these are just too long to list….

  188. Empty says:

    Speaking of American influence and success of genius inventors like dasteh bill gates….

    “The hidden hand of the market will never work without a hidden fist — McDonald’s cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas, the builder of the F-15. And the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon Valley’s technologies is called the United States Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps.”

    –By Thomas Friedman, from “A Manifesto for the Fast World”, New York Times Magazine, March 28, 1999.

  189. Empty says:

    BiB, just for you, bro….

    * “Computers are like air conditioners – they stop working properly when you open windows.”

    ** “Microsoft broke Volkswagen’s world record in making more than 34 million bugs!”

    *** “Bill Gates dies in a car accident. He finds himself in purgatory, being sized up by St. Peter. “Well, Bill, I’m really confused on this call; I’m not sure where to send you. After all, you helped society enormously by putting a computer in almost every home in America, yet you also created that ghastly Windows’95. I’m going to do something I’ve never done before. In your case; I’m going to let you decide whether you want to go to Heaven or Hell.”

    Bill replied, “Well, what’s the difference between the two?”

    St. Peter: “I’m willing to let you visit both places briefly, if it will help your decision.”

    Bill: “Fine, but where should I go first?”

    St. Peter: “I’ll leave that up to you.”

    “Okay then,” said Bill, “Let’s try Hell first.”

    So Bill went to Hell. It was a beautiful, clean, sandy beach with clear waters and lots of bikini-clad women running around, playing in the water, laughing, and frolicking about. The sun was shining; the temperature was perfect. Bill was very pleased.

    “This is great!” he told St. Peter. “If this is hell, I REALLY want to see heaven!”

    “Fine,” said St. Peter, and off they went.

    Heaven was a place high in the clouds, with angels drifting about, playing harps and singing. It was nice, but not as enticing as Hell. Bill thought for a minute, and rendered his decision.

    “Hmmm. I think I’d prefer Hell,” he told St. Peter.

    “Fine,” retorted St. Peter, “as you desire.” So Bill Gates went to Hell.

    Two weeks later, St. Peter decided to check on the late billionaire to see how he was doing in Hell. When he got there, he found Bill, shackled to a wall, screaming amongst hot flames in dark caves, being burned and tortured by demons. “How’s everything going?” he asked Bill.

    Bill responded, with his voice filled with anguish and disappointment, “This is awful! This is nothing like the Hell I visited two weeks ago! I can’t believe this is happening! What happened to that other place, with the beautiful beaches, the scantily-clad women playing in the water?”

    “That was a demo,” replied St. Peter.

  190. M. Ali says:

    All this anti-microsoft talk is like being back in the late 90s, when it was hip and cool to hate microsoft. There has been complaints about microsoft since I was a child, and no IT industry has remained consistantly useful. They have never been cool, never been edgy, but it has always been useful. Its not just the OS, its about everything else that is part of the package. How many use a Word alternative? How many use an excel alternative? A powerpoint alternative? And its browser was said to suck since Netscape, but while it sometimes lagged behind, it always was able to push itself forward to never be completely irrelevant.

    Microsoft has been part of my life since I was a kid, and it is probably the only real technology company that has never completely been disappeared.

    Plus Bill Gates has donated BILLIONS, so good on him.

    I agree with FYI and Smith here. To better ourselves as Iranian, we have to first admit that there are certain things we are behind on. But some of us refuse that, instead of pushing ahead of number 1, we prefer to find excuses or put things down.

    I also don’t think it has anything to do with innovation or entrepreneurship. To me, in Iran, it is about something else. For me, as an Iranian, I think the main thing might be that we Iranians don’t have any patience. Everyone wants to be rich overnight. If Facebook was done in Iran, they would have opened it in phases, where it was just Harvard at first, then universities, then US schools, and so on. I remember Facebook in early days, when I lived in Dubai and couldn’t join. If it was an Iranian, they would have opened it to the world and then sold it when it got a decent offer, and in the meantime, put in a billion ads, which 90% of them consisting of the usual blinking ads selling cheap sunglasses.

    Or have you checked the Iranian e-commerce scene? How come, without the brick & mortar investment, buying something online is MORE expensive than going to a shop and buying it there?

    Or have you checked Iranian made-android apps? Download the Iranian Marketplace Bazar, and check the Iranian, and see how most of them are PAID apps, while Apps from other countries are generally free. Why? Its because every Iranian wants to be rich.

    How come if I want to buy or rent a property in a different country, I can view them for free, while in Iran bought the potential seller AND buyer/renter has to pay for daily or monthly access to their database?

    Of course, there ARE exceptions. Bama Dot IR is a GREAT website for selling cars. The Bazar Iranian Marketplace itself is fantastic, providing an alternative to Google Play that is clean, lean ,and easy to use, and it even respects developers from western countries, by not providing their paid apps for free, even though there are no copyright agreements between us.

    But I think there is more to be done.

    However, that said, I also do not agree with fyi and Smith’s usual tone towards Iranians. THeir holier-than-thou attitude is extremely insulting and offensive. Smith usually insults Iranians here with very disresptful tones and fyi sits in his ivory tower as if he is the only Iranian who knows whats what. But these arm chair critics don’t do ANYTHING positive for the Iranian Brand or help Iran in any way. At least, Iranians in Iran, with their less-than-ideal products and services are still taking the first step, which is better than taking no step at all.

  191. fyi says:

    Nasser says:

    June 29, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    The Muslims in India were converts from lower cast Hindus as well as the Un-touchables.

    And any conception of charity and equality that one encounters in India owes is rooted in Islam.

    Hindus have never had historical writing – unlike Muslims, Greeks & Romans, or the Chinese; they lived – mentally – in this Organic world in which everything transmutes to everything else and the individual is just an ephermal manifestation of the essence of the Universal Existence.

  192. nico says:

    M. Ali says:
    June 30, 2014 at 5:03 am
    “All this anti-microsoft talk is like being back in the late 90s”

    1 – The point raised by fyi is that MS is an example of Iran deficiencies in R&T.
    2 – Critic about MS releasing good or bad products is off topic.

    The first point is total BS.
    Actually MS Windows or the Office suit have no credible competitor in the whole world on Pesronnal Computers.
    How can it be that fyi illustrates his point about Iran with such crappy example ?

    More widely it is well known and OBVIOUS fact that the US is the single, lone leader in software and IT technology. And more so in www technology (google like).

    But it is not about Iran. It is about the whoile world.

    One need to recognize the US specific leadership in such technology.
    And it may be related to the US capitalist system to some degree.

    However, one needs to recognize as well that it is related as well to the US “marketing/market” advance in that domain.

    Meaning that ALL major software companies are oligopolistic/monopolistic.
    That is an empirical trend.
    Like Google, MS, Oracle and so on.
    US companies being precursors in the market they happened to have carved out monopoly.

    It is about economy of scale, it is about imposing proprietary standard, it is about the virtual world being without border (save state limitation like in China or Russia in the www), it is about market position where the winner win it all.

    SUrely Iran need to develop its knowledge base economy.
    But the fyi examples about MS and GOOGLE are SOLID CRAP.

  193. nico says:

    like all matter related to economy, fyi is totally clueless

  194. nico says:

    fyi producing solid CRAP about economics ?
    Truly a lost case.

    Again, you should focus on geopolitics. You would avoid to find yourself in precarious position.

    As I stated time and again here, what is of importance is not the absolute position not country in a specific circumstance in the history timeline.
    What is important is the trend.

    “Post-sanctions Iran: The next China?”
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/06/post-sanctions-iran-next-china-201463083025942167.html

    “One could argue that initial misperceptions vis-a-vis Team Melli somehow mirror the broader misunderstanding of Iran as a country, and its achievements in recent decades. The West has long sought to dismiss Iran as a rogue nation, with limited human capital and underdeveloped technological and scientific capabilities. Given Iran’s dependence on hydrocarbon exports, Western powers sought to change Iran’s strategic by imposing restrictions on Iran’s ability to conduct international trade and finance its domestic development. Without a question, the sanctions have been devastating, severely undermining Iran’s macroeconomic conditions as well as its access to basic necessities such as food and medicine.

    But a combination of resilience and increasing pragmatism has allowed Iran to not only emerge as a sporting powerhouse, especially in Asia, but, more importantly, as one of the most dynamic countries in the developing world. Today, Iran stands among leading countries in cutting-edge sciences such as stem cell research and nanotechnology.

    As the Middle East’s leading scientific power, Iran has managed to attain growing self-sufficiency in terms of space and nuclear technology, while leading Iranian universities have been producing among the best engineers in the world. After decades of rural development and pro-active developmental policies, Iran is among the leading Asian countries in terms of human development index, while boasting among the largest steel and automobile manufacturing bases in the developing world.”

  195. Jay says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    June 29, 2014 at 10:24 pm

    Thank you for the post. I will not quibble with the details, but focus on the point that the broad views you raised in your post are legitimate and worthy of discussion. I think there are very valid lessons to be learned! In particular, your post, by example, highlights why commonly accepted “wisdom” about Capitalism must be carefully reexamined. In a critique of Mr. Piketty’s prescription for “fixing” capitalism (see link), we find reasons for questioning the underpinning of the system,

    http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/24489-the-compelling-conclusion-about-capitalism-that-piketty-resists

    There is much to be said about the shortcomings of Iran’s approach to economic, social, and political reform over the last few decades. However, this does not and should not mean that one must accept the West’s model as a model of economic, political, and social success.

  196. Empty says:

    Bussed-in-Bassiji,

    RE: “they actually mean that in America you are free to develop a product/service and sell it to the US govt. and then use the profits to do that again and again.”

    Actually, it’s much worse than that. You could use publicly funded venues and institutions (such as universities, NIH/NSF/… funds, etc.) to have researchers and students in those institutions develop a product/service and then you, through well-established and institutionalized thieving mechanisms (using terms such as patent and copy right) sell those products and services back to the government or the very public who funded it. Talk about being a middle man and “dallal baz”! They give it fancy names like “university-industry collaboration.”

    US government and business/corporations? A distinction without a difference (just like the UK government and terrorist groups).

  197. James Canning says:

    Bussed-In Basiji,

    I doubt sex plays much of a role in the defence contracts obtained by various corporations in countries in the Middle East.

    If you mean that selling weapons manufactured by British companies is facilitated when less noise is made about various problems in the country buying those weapons, I would agree with you.

    Saudi Arabia is buying drones and missiles from China. Are you annoyed?

  198. James Canning says:

    Nasser,

    The partition of India was a catastrophe, but avoiding it was next to impossible. I very much doubt a united India would have posed a threat to Iran.

  199. Rd. says:

    fyi says:

    “ For many others, such as myself, Windows is the preferred choice for both its ease of administration as well as the availability of applications.”

    Back in the days, there was a NOS Banyan Vines which was far in advance of windows in ease and management and administration, perhaps in some perspective even today. Its directory service was decades ahead of its time. The main problem with MS (as in with most US corps nowadays) is their lobbying and destructive ability to eliminate competition. In that MS is just as inefficient as IBM was in the 70s. Though MS has accomplished a lot, lack of competition makes their in-efficient product look pretty good. stifling competition is were the problem is, hence why word and excel are the preferred products.

  200. Rd. says:

    Smith says:

    “War and peace are not eternal. One must see them as instruments to further his ideological and material objectives. A weak entity like Iran locking horns with a stronger entity like US has only one way to defeat the opponent. Here I have to emphasize strongly that there is only one way and not anymore. This only way is proving to be principled and having dignity. If Iran also tries to imitate the US, then Iran can never win. If Iran wants to impose itself as US does, then Iran will definitely lose. ”

    You have often prescribed Iran to develop nukes and ICBMs, etc.. How would you reconcile Iran imitating US in this regards?

    Though, I believe the ‘know how (breakout), has been sufficiently advantages, to further the cause, to go beyond, would seem imitation, no?

  201. Rd. says:

    Rd. says:

    “Back in the days, there was a NOS Banyan Vines”

    incidentally, Vines was a Linux based product. It was bought out by MS and shelved for life!

  202. Rd. says:

    kooshy says:

    “Seyed Hossein Mousavian”
    “Every person involved, from Khatami down, had the same feeling—betrayed! The word namaknashnas (a person one feeds, and later expresses betrayal rather than appreciation “

    namaknashnas!?!?! is this the extend of observation by that administration? Unreal.. I may be reading this wrong, but is this Amb. Mousavian attempt to ‘advise’ US not to be a namaknashnas again?

    On the other hand, this seems to be the interesting development. Return of Iran’s Strategic Council

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/06/return-iran-strategic-council-constrain-rouhani.html

  203. fyi says:

    Rd. says:

    June 30, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    Yes, it is a silly notion from which, I hope by now, Iranians are disabused.

    I mean, look at the Axis Powers, they destroyed their unofficial allie during the Cold War – the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in no time at all.

    May be Mr. Mousavian expected gratitude; Mr. Khamenei, however, was not surprised one bit.

    The only relationship Iran and the Shia Crescent can have with Russia, China, India, and the Axis Powers is a transactional one – and even that would be predicated on Iran being a nuclear-armed state.

    The Cold or potentially hot war against Iran by Axis Powers will not end anytime soon; watch as Axis Powers flirt with World War III in Ukraine; does anyone think that they would treat Iran & the Shia Crescent better?

    I doubt that with metaphysical certainty.

  204. kooshy says:

    Rd. says:
    June 30, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    Yes, Mr. Khatami and his administration were delusional with their expectations (they still are) for the full cooperation they gave the Americans. But on the other hand ayatollah Khamenei wasn’t (as per his recent speeches and other accounts) he had it well thought on possible cost and benefit, I think they (Iranians) calculated that, at best if the Americans are honest, strategically they will cooperate with Iran to subdue the threat of extremist that are danger to Iran and US. But if they are not (which they weren’t) like the soviets before them they will become Taliban’s main targets and will have their second Vietnam which they did as per their own admission. Non less they figured, either way Iran would have benefited as long as she made sure she don’t get in the mod with the Americans, I must say it was a win-win for Iran at relatively no cost, they did it cleverly. Now with this ISIS setup for last three years the Americans are trying hard to get Iran directly involved for some payback, but I think Iranians already know well, what a lousy cards the American are holding. As long as a Shieh religious leader can call 1 million to service there is no existential danger but long term fights.

  205. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    You apparently believe Serbia could have maintained control of Yugoslavia, if other European countries and the US had been willing to ignore the bloodbath that would have required. Others are not so sure.

  206. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    June 30, 2014 at 6:18 pm

    And I suppose the 87-day bombing of Serbia in order to detach Kosovo and later Montenegro was done to protect Muslims?

    Iranians cannot expect any better treatment: as the saying goes – he who rapes his own mother, God knows only what he world do to others.

  207. Sammy says:

    ‘James Canning says:
    June 30, 2014 at 6:18 pm
    You apparently believe Serbia could have maintained control of Yugoslavia, if other European countries and the US had been willing to ignore the bloodbath that would have required. Others are not so sure.’

    Yes sure GAV canning , however is it only in the bbc that child molesters are concentrated or is it a general phenomenon in Britain , your absolute expertise is required :

    http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/07/01/369347/bbc-entertainer-guilty-of-sex-abuse/

    …A former British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) entertainer has been found guilty of 12 indecent assaults against four girls.

    On Monday, a jury in London convicted Rolf Harris of sexually assaulting the girls, some as young as seven years old, during the 60s, 70s and 80s.

    “Rolf Harris used his status and position as a world famous children’s entertainer to sexually assault young girls over a period spanning 18 years,” Deputy Chief Crown Prosecutor Jenny Hopkins told reporters.

    “The victims in this case have suffered in silence for many years and have only recently found the courage to come forward,” he added….

  208. M. Ali says:

    What I don’t understand about the Gulf Countries is, lets say their dreams come true, Assad falls and the Jihadists get the country and the same happens in Iraq, because Iran can’t do anything, and eventually Iran falls too. Lets say that these extremists now have control of Iraq, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. What then, are they going to suddenly decide to stop? Next its Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar, Oman, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, all unpopular leaders who will be hang by the extremists in the street. And how can you then control them, or put the worms back in the can?

    Its weird that, in a way, Iran is saving their butts, and they don’t even know it!

  209. M. Ali says:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/30/iraq-haider-al-abadi-isis-iran-airstrikes-unites-states_n_5543252.html

    “Speaking exclusively to The Huffington Post UK, Dr Haider Al-Abadi, a member of the Iraqi parliament and a spokesman for Prime Minister Noori Al-Maliki’s Dawah Party, said the Iraqi authorities feel so threatened by Isis “that we will take any assistance, even from Iran”.

    It is believed to be the first time such a senior Iraqi politician has publicly raised the spectre of full-scale Iranian military involvement inside Iraq – in the absence of US military action.

    “We are waiting for the Americans to give us support,” he said. “If US air strikes [happen], we don’t need Iranian air strikes. If they don’t, then we may need Iranian strikes.” “

  210. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    “Only in America…” does the govt contract you for billions to protect them and you can/”have the right” to threaten the govt to kill them if they investigate you…

    If one ejaculates about “America civilization” and how it encourages entrepreneurs, well then certainly one should ejaculate about this entrepreneur as well, right?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/30/us/before-shooting-in-iraq-warning-on-blackwater.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=LedeSum&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0#story-continues-9

    “WASHINGTON — Just weeks before Blackwater guards fatally shot 17 civilians at Baghdad’s Nisour Square in 2007, the State Department began investigating the security contractor’s operations in Iraq. But the inquiry was abandoned after Blackwater’s top manager there issued a threat: “that he could kill” the government’s chief investigator and “no one could or would do anything about it as we were in Iraq,” according to department reports.”

    “After returning to Washington, the chief investigator wrote a scathing report to State Department officials documenting misconduct by Blackwater employees and warning that lax oversight of the company, which had a contract worth more than $1 billion to protect American diplomats, had created “an environment full of liability and negligence.”

    “The management structures in place to manage and monitor our contracts in Iraq have become subservient to the contractors themselves,” the investigator, Jean C. Richter, wrote in an Aug. 31, 2007, memo to State Department officials. “Blackwater contractors saw themselves as above the law,” he said, adding that the “hands off” management resulted in a situation in which “the contractors, instead of Department officials, are in command and in control.”

    “The State Department declined to comment on the aborted investigation. A spokesman for Erik Prince, the founder and former chief executive of Blackwater, who sold the company in 2010, said Mr. Prince had never been told about the matter.

    After Mr. Prince sold the company, the new owners named it Academi. In early June, it merged with Triple Canopy, one of its rivals for government and commercial contracts to provide private security. The new firm is called Constellis Holdings.”

    “Founded in 1997 by Mr. Prince, a former member of the Navy SEALs and an heir to an auto parts fortune, Blackwater began as a small company providing shooting ranges and training facilities in rural North Carolina for the military and for police departments. After the American-led invasion of Afghanistan and later Iraq, it ramped up to become a global security contractor with billions of dollars in contracts for the State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency.

    The company’s gung-ho attitude and willingness to take on risky tasks were seductive to government officials in Washington. The State Department, for example, secretly sent Blackwater guards to Shenyang, China, to provide security for North Korean asylum seekers who had gone to the United States Consulate there and refused to leave for fear the Chinese government would force them to go back to North Korea, according to company documents and interviews with former Blackwater personnel.

    But Blackwater’s rapid growth and the State Department’s growing dependence on the contractor led to unbridled hubris, according to several former company officials. That was fostered, they said, by Mr. Prince, who not long before the Nisour Square shooting gathered employees in front of Blackwater headquarters in Moyock, N.C., and demanded that they swear an oath of allegiance.

    Saying that the business was on the verge of being awarded lucrative new contracts, Mr. Prince told the workers that they had to take a pledge — the same one required of those entering the United States military — “to display our commitment to the war on terror,” several former employees recalled.”

    “As he was speaking, the employees were handed copies of the oath, which had a Blackwater bear paw logo on top, and told to sign and return it to their supervisors after reciting the words. But some balked.”

    “This was an oath for soldiers, not the employees of a private company, and many in the crowd were veterans who believed that it was inappropriately being linked to the company’s commercial prospects.

    “It was kind of like pledging allegiance to Erik,” said a former Blackwater employee, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he had been required to sign a nondisclosure agreement with Blackwater. “That’s how a lot of us interpreted it.”

    Soon after State Department investigators arrived in Baghdad on Aug. 1, 2007, to begin a monthlong review of Blackwater’s operations, the situation became volatile. Internal State Department documents, which were turned over to plaintiffs in a lawsuit against Blackwater that was unrelated to the Nisour Square shooting, provide details of what happened.”

    The investigators concluded that Blackwater was getting away with such conduct because embassy personnel had gotten too close to the contractor.

    On Aug. 20, 2007, Mr. Richter was called in to the office of the embassy’s regional security officer, Bob Hanni, who said he had received a call asking him to document Mr. Richter’s “inappropriate behavior.” Mr. Richter quickly called his supervisor in Washington, who instructed him to take Mr. Thomas with him to all remaining meetings in Baghdad, his report noted.
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    The next day, the two men met with Daniel Carroll, Blackwater’s project manager in Iraq, to discuss the investigation, including a complaint over food quality and sanitary conditions at a cafeteria in Blackwater’s compound. Mr. Carroll barked that Mr. Richter could not tell him what to do about his cafeteria, Mr. Richter’s report said. The Blackwater official went on to threaten the agent and say he would not face any consequences, according to Mr. Richter’s later account.

    “Mr. Carroll said “that he could kill me at that very moment and no one could or would do anything about it as we were in Iraq,” Mr. Richter wrote in a memo to senior State Department officials in Washington. He noted that Mr. Carroll had formerly served with Navy SEAL Team 6, an elite unit.

    “Mr. Carroll’s statement was made in a low, even tone of voice, his head was slightly lowered; his eyes were fixed on mine,” Mr. Richter stated in his memo. “I took Mr. Carroll’s threat seriously. We were in a combat zone where things can happen quite unexpectedly, especially when issues involve potentially negative impacts on a lucrative security contract.”

    He added that he was especially alarmed because Mr. Carroll was Blackwater’s leader in Iraq, and “organizations take on the attitudes and mannerisms of their leader.”

    Mr. Thomas witnessed the exchange and corroborated Mr. Richter’s version of events in a separate statement, writing that Mr. Carroll’s comments were “unprofessional and threatening in nature.” He added that others in Baghdad had told the two investigators to be “very careful,” considering that their review could jeopardize job security for Blackwater personnel.

    Mr. Richter was shocked when embassy officials sided with Mr. Carroll and ordered Mr. Richter and Mr. Thomas to leave Iraq immediately, according to the documents. On Aug. 23, Ricardo Colon, the acting regional security officer at the embassy, wrote in an email that Mr. Richter and Mr. Thomas had become “unsustainably disruptive to day-to-day operations and created an unnecessarily hostile environment for a number of contract personnel.” The two men cut short their inquiry and returned to Washington the next day.”

  211. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    State Department Documents on Blackwater Episode

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/06/30/us/30blackwater-documents.html

  212. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Gav,

    Apparently you have a brain dysfunction that prevents you from distinguishing the UK from China.

    You see in the UK- the cradle of “democracy”, “the rule of law” and “independent judiciary”- BAE was bribing Bandar for decades to get contracts in the billions.

    When the “independent” judiciary started an inquiry into this case, the PM shut it down and when this was appealed the “independent” law lords sided with the PM.

    You see China doesn’t claim to be the cradle of democracy, rule of law or independent judiciary but the UK does.

    When in the UK all of these- which are the basis of UK political culture history and the core values historically, culturally, ethically etc.- is dumped in one decision by the PM- this means that you shit Brits are willing to offer your backside/sell your mother/abandon the core values of your political-legal culture in order to get a few billion pounds for a corporation.

    Again you apparently have a brain dysfunction that prevents you from understanding the magnitude of this tragedy. Probably from too much backside action from your Najdi john and becoming loopy from looking at the bank transfer statements from the last weapons shipment.

    Hey, we all have a price at which we are willing to sell our mothers and offer our backsides to dirty Najdi bedouins, right?

    So no, I’m not annoyed when China sells them stuff but I am annoyed when Brits do and in the process abandon their core values.

  213. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Did I mention that “bribing Bandar for decades” is a major criminal offense under the law.

    Minor detail when it’s about billions for British corporations, right?

  214. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Nicolas Sarkozy detained for questioning over alleged corruption

    Unprecedented move against a former French president as investigators also question his lawyer and two magistrates

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/01/nicolas-sarkozy-detained-questioning-alleged-corruption

    Now that Valls is firmly enthroned, time to dump the liabilities.

    Poor Carla, marrying the troll thinking it would turn out different.

    Chi fekr kardim o chi shod!

    OK updating the “US-poodle-in-Europe” market:

    Valls: Active, current golden boy.

    Blair: Semi-active, downward trend after that letter by the former British diplomats.

    Guttenberg: Keeping low profile, working on comeback after that whole plagiarism thing is forgotten.

    Merkel: Steady as a rock, genetically as women has advantage in terms of life expectancy and given German constitutional law, could serve as long as Queen Elizabeth/Queen Victoria.

    Sarkozy: Toxic, dump.

    Berlusconi: Who?

    New prospects in Ukraine emerging, but careful not to end up like Polish/Hungarian traitors after a few decades of experiencing what “US friendship” really means.

  215. fyi says:

    M. Ali says:

    July 1, 2014 at 2:37 am

    No, they are just stupid – no surprises there.

  216. fyi says:

    Jay says:

    July 1, 2014 at 9:36 am

    I think the blame game has started.

  217. Jay says:

    As if Iran needed any more evidence…

    Any deal with the West is not worth the paper it is written on – even a deal with Russia

    Mr. Putin commenting on the current diplomatic situation between Russia and the West.

    “We know about the pressure that our American partners put on the French so that they would not deliver the Mistral [ships] to Russia,” Putin said. “And we know that [they] hinted that if the French don’t deliver Mistral, sanctions on banks will be gradually removed, or at least minimized. What is this, if not blackmail?”

    http://rt.com/news/169628-putin-ukraine-west-barracks/

  218. Jay says:

    fyi says:
    July 1, 2014 at 10:16 am

    Yes. The foundation is being prepared!

  219. kooshy says:

    معاون وزیر خارجه ایران با بیان اینکه ایران آماده است تا در صورت درخواست عراق به این کشور کمک کند، گفت: «عراق هنوز از ایران درخواست ارسال سلاح نکرده است اما تهران آماده است تا اگر لازم شد در چارچوب مبارزه با تروریسم به عراق سلاح ارسال کند.» معاون وزیر خارجه ایران گفت: «اگر [وزارت] مبارزه با تروریسم عراق خواستار کمک خارجی باشد، ایران طبق قوانین بین‌الملل این کمک‌ها را ارائه خواهد کرد.» امیرعبداللهیان وجود هرگونه نیروی ایرانی در عراق را تکذیب کرد و گفت: «ایران در زمان فعلی نیرویی در عراق ندارد.» وی در بخشی دیگر از سخنانش با هشداری ضمنی به کردهایی که دم از جدایی از عراق می‌زنند نیز اعلام کرد که «ایران اطمینان دارد که در میان سران کرد افراد عاقل هم حضور دارند که حاضر نمی‌شوند عراق تجزیه شود.» عبداللهیان همچنین با بیان اینکه باید همه اقدامات لازم برای ممانعت از تقسیم عراق صورت بگیرد، اعلام کرد که ایران هر تدبیری که وحدت و قدرت عراق را تضمین کند، اتخاذ خواهد کرد. –
    See more at: http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13930410000881#sthash.aXAysCMR.dpuf

    معاون اردوغان: ترکیه مخالف جدایی کُردستان از عراق استمعاون نخست وزیر ترکیه مخالفت شدید دولت آنکارا با اعلام جدایی منطقه کُردستان از عراق را اعلام کرد.

    Separately, Turkish officials said Ankara opposes independence for a Kurdish state in northern Iraq and wants a unity government in Baghdad to counter the threat by Islamist Sunni rebels.

    Turkey has good relations with the semiautonomous Kurdish Regional Government in Iraq but would not support moves to push for independence from Baghdad, a Turkish government official said.

    “Turkey’s position is for the territorial integrity and political unity of Iraq, that’s it,” the official said anonymously, in order to speak more freely.

    “[We] are not in favor of any independence, that would be detrimental to that unity. Nothing like that could be discussed,” he stated.”

    Both Iran and Turkey reject Kurdistan independence, it looks like Mr. Barezani and Mr. Kerry once again have made a full of themselves

  220. Nasser says:

    From Stratfor: “The Sunni Ramadan Offensive and the Lessons of Tet”

    http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/sunni-ramadan-offensive-and-lessons-tet#axzz36EVJk5tD

    – The article contains a link to a very interesting video.

  221. James Canning says:

    Kooshy,

    Are you suggesting that John Kerry thinks Iranqi Kurdistan should be independent?

  222. James Canning says:

    Bussed-In Basiji,

    I am sure you are aware that a good number of people in Britain were not happy to see the investigation quashed (re: weapons sales to the Saudis). And you also see that other countries are keen to supply weapons if Britain does not.

    I fail to see the sex angle, however. Maybe that is just the way your own reference system works?

  223. James Canning says:

    Sammy,

    Are you suggesting FYI is correct, in thinking Serbia could have prevented the collapse of Yugoslavia if “the West” ignored the required bloodbath?

    Curious thing, that you would want to focus on “child molestation” in Britain. I confess I have difficulty seeing the connection.

  224. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    You ask if the recognition of Muslim-controlled Kosovo was part of an effort to “protect Muslims”. Clearly that must have been a factor.

    Montenegro likely will grow rich as an independent country. This will work to Serbia’s advantage.

  225. kooshy says:

    James Canning says:
    July 1, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    Gav

    I suggest he wouldn’t mind if he could have, but again, US’s wishful foreign policy is having little state lets around KSA and Israel, let’s make every non major western community their own country with a rep in UN, and then make sure they will be constantly holding each other’s throat at check, but they are in one way US/West allies and they will ask the US to mediate peace between them. Gav. James, don’t you think that’s a nice working formula to have? They will all have to come to daddy (Polish FM) to get advice and a good portioned allowance. Gav do you think the British FS (I mean foreign secretary) gets the same pleasure as his polish counterpart for the relationship with the Americans? Gav you know your opinion always is welcomed with me.

  226. James Canning says:

    Kooshy,

    My impression is that Kerry comprehends the problems that would flow from an attempt by Iraqi Kurdistan to achieve independence.

  227. James Canning says:

    Kooshy,

    Because one commentator or another, in Washington or elsewhere, calls for an independent Kurdistan, does not indicate in any way this is “US” policy.

  228. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 1, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    Montengro has zero power in EU.

    Her future prosperity, if any, is immaterial.

    Turkey’s prosperity was significantly damaged when Axis Powers told that kolfat to go and damage Syria.

    And now Iraq.

    In the international relations, legitimacy and force go together; a powerless state such as Montenegro has its fate tied to the extra-regional powers who have no concern for her.

    Just as those very same states have shown zero concern for Turkey’s predicaments in Syria or in Iraq.

    Turkey is an interesting case also because a man who is outwardly conforming to the Islamic piety, has, in effect, been complicit is the deaths and sufferings of millions of Muslims.

    But, I suppose, the moral police is satisfied that his wife and daughters are wearing hijab.

    For Muslims, it seems to me, Erdogan, a Qajar Shah, and Shah Sultan Hussein, with their outward conformance to Islamic piety have only brought political disasters and deaths and ruinations to Muslims across multiple countries.

    Yet Muslims pine for that piety….

    And ignore the political sins of these pious leaders – since those sins are not sins in Islam….

  229. Sammy says:

    ,James Canning says:
    July 1, 2014 at 1:16 pm
    Sammy

    Curious thing, that you would want to focus on “child molestation” in Britain. I confess I have difficulty seeing the connection.’

    GAV,just trying to engage you in a topic, where at least I am sure that you have splendid expertise.

  230. nico says:

    It seems the nuclear deal is definitely dead.

    “Kerry threatens Iran: Time to choose”
    http://edition.presstv.ir/iphone/detail.aspx?id=369462

    “Now Iran must choose,” writes Kerry in his op-ed, threatening that “international sanctions will tighten and Iran’s isolation will deepen” if Iranians choose to stand by “the positions they have articulated”.

  231. nico says:

    Porter views about the current negociations.

    “US trying to restrict Iran’s nuclear future: Journalist”
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/01/369420/us-pressures-to-curb-irans-nfuture/

    “But I do think that the United States and its allies – its negotiating partners in the P5+1 – try to intimidate Iran and try to get Iran, not so much to agree to deep cuts in the short term with regard to the number of centrifuges because I think the United States actually will end up accepting the full number of centrifuges that Iran has been operating for the last few years i.e., roughly ten thousand centrifuges.

    I think the point of the exercise really is to try to get the Iranians to back off the insistence that in the longer run Iran should be able to and will need to have a much larger number of centrifuges in order to support both the Bushehr reactor and possibly further indigenous reactors that will come online in the future.

    This is want I think the United States is really aiming at; it’s trying to build some diplomatic chips, if you will, that it can then spend to try to get the Iranians to give concessions on the longer term agreement and I think that is really what’s happening in these excessive demands.”

  232. James Canning says:

    David Frum, writing in the Sunday Times (London) June 22nd: “Back in 2007 Obama, then a presidential candidate, told The New York Times that he saw a diplomatic resolution with Iran as America’s way out of Iraq.” Obama was right. Frum of course claims to the contrary. (Frum was one of the core group of neocons who bamboozled George W. Bush to enable the launch of the idiotic invasion of Iraq in 2003.)

  233. James Canning says:

    Sammy,

    Are you trying to compare US policy in the Middle East to “child molestation”?

  234. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    I don’t think you have been following developments in Montenegro. Think Monaco.

  235. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    You will recall that Turkey refused to back GW Bush’s idiotic invasion of Iraq in 2003. Turkey’s reasons for backing civil war in Syria are more complex than you indicate.

  236. James Canning says:

    “Iran’s role in Iraq, like its role in Syria, remains a destructive one.”
    – – David Frum, writing in The Sunday Times June 22nd.

    Frum played a key role in setting up the catastrophe of the Iraq War.

  237. Jay says:

    fyi says:
    July 1, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    A well stated diplomatic reply to Mr. Kerry.

    Mr. Zarif is gently reminding Mr. Kerry that the last miscalculation by the US, in which Mr. Zarif was directly involved with as a negotiator, resulted in thousands of spinning centrifuges and other advances. The jockeying for who is to blame is afoot!

  238. kooshy says:

    James Canning says:
    July 1, 2014 at 5:40 pm
    Sammy,

    “Are you trying to compare US policy in the Middle East to “child molestation”?”

    Gav- I don’t know about what Sammy says or intent to say, but that analogy whoever’s it is, I think is spot on. For years I was thinking what would the the best way to describe the US ME policy, never was able to to come up with a perfect representative description till I saw your doubt on Sammy’s, thank you. I think that is a perfect comparison especially if it viewed in light of Victoria Nuland’s and the Polish FM’s physicality of the US foreign policy. Gav don’t you share this perspective of US foreign policy ?

  239. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 1, 2014 at 5:43 pm

    Montenegro’s population is thus living off whores and gambling; I suppose some would call it prosperity – akin in nature to the prosperity that Cuba enjoyed under Mob – before Dr. Castro threw the Mob out.

  240. Sammy says:

    kooshy says:
    July 1, 2014 at 7:22 pm

    Yes , yes , yes , finally someone understood me :-)
    Nuland wants to fu** the EU and the Polish FM wants to give a BJ to the US , what better common ground for an everlasting transatlantic partnership , those who fu** each other won’t make war.
    GAV canning could elaborate more…

  241. Pouya says:

    James Canning

    Are you not ashamed of quoting Frum? I shocked anyone would even refer to that war thug.

  242. kooshy says:

    Sammy says:
    July 2, 2014 at 12:36 am

    Yes Sammy,
    Our foreign policy is very American, is all about: Sex (Pleasure of having EU), Drugs (giving a hand to Afghani farmers) and Rock and Roll (unleashing our ISIS dancers on the ME dance floor)

  243. Jay says:

    Mr. Zarif follows up the Le Monde op-ed with a youtube message

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16VIQ6LJCt8

  244. fyi says:

    Pouya says:

    July 2, 2014 at 2:03 am

    Mr. Frum was a Canadian citizen.

  245. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Ah yes, another Brit offering backside for a little bedouin cash…

    Tony Blair to advise Egypt president Sisi on economic reform

    Former PM criticised over link to United Arab Emirates-funded programme that promises lucrative ‘business opportunities’

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/02/tony-blair-advise-egypt-president-sisi-economic-reform

    “Tony Blair has agreed to advise the Egyptian president, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, who came to power in a military coup last year, as part of a programme funded by the United Arab Emirates that has promised to deliver huge “business opportunities” to those involved, the Guardian has learned.

    The former prime minister and Middle East peace envoy, who supported the coup against Egypt’s elected president Mohamed Morsi, is to give Sisi advice on “economic reform” in collaboration with a UAE-financed taskforce in Cairo – a decision that has been criticised by one former ally.

    The UAE taskforce is being run by the management consultancy Strategy&, formerly Booz and Co, now part of PricewaterhouseCoopers, to attract investment to Egypt’s crisis-ridden economy at a forthcoming Egypt donors’ conference sponsored by oil-rich UAE, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

    But Blair’s decision to become involved in Gulf-financed support of the Sisi regime, which is estimated to have killed more than 2,500 protesters and jailed more than 20,000 over the past year, has been attacked.

    A former close political associate argued that the ex-prime minister’s role in advising the Egyptian regime would cause “terrible damage to him, the rest of us and New Labour’s legacy”.

    Blair’s spokeswoman told the Guardianthat his backing for “Egypt accessing support in the international community” was not being done “for any personal gain whatsoever”. He would make no money out of Egypt and neither would any of his organisations.

    “He is giving advice, he will have meetings, that’s all,” she said. Blair believed that the Sisi government in Egypt “should be supported in its reform agenda and he will help in any way he can, but not as part of a team”. However, he regarded Strategy&’s Egyptian work as important.”

  246. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    “Alastair Campbell, Blair’s former press secretary who resigned in 2003 over the Iraq war “dodgy dossier” scandal, is also advising the Sisi government on its public image and being paid for it – though on Wednesday he refused to say if he had been working with Strategy&.

    Like the former prime minister, he visited Cairo earlier this year as part of the Gulf-funded programme to bolster the regime. Darren Murphy, who worked for Blair in No 10 when he was prime minister, has also been working on the programme.

    Blair’s spokeswoman said the former prime minister would be prepared to introduce people in Cairo if that was “helpful”. Some observers argue that the UAE-funded Egyptian taskforce in Cairo is now said to form a shadow government within the government.”

  247. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    “Since standing down as prime minister in 2007, Blair and his companies have been awarded a string of multimillion consultancy contracts with private corporations, dictatorships and repressive regimes, including Kazakhstan, Kuwait, the UAE and Colombia. They include a contract worth more than £1m a year to advise the UAE’s Abu Dhabi sovereign wealth fund Mubadala.

    But his involvement with the Egyptian dictatorship is likely to be his most controversial, both because of its overthrow of a democratic government and the scale of bloodletting it has unleashed – and because of Egypt’s central role in the Middle East where he has been the peace envoy of the Quartet of the US, EU, UN and Russia since 2007.

    Last week a group of former British ambassadors and political figures joined a campaign to call for Blair to be sacked as Middle East envoy, citing his “negligible” achievements in the role, his defence of military intervention in Iraq and Syria and the “blurring the lines between his public position as envoy” and his private business dealings in the Middle East. Chris Doyle, of the Council for Arab-British Understanding, said his business interests and peace envoy roles were “incompatible and create a huge conflict of interest”.

  248. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    So what’s a washed-up British war criminal to do?

    Exactly what Ian Henderson did after the whole concentration camps thing in Kenya…

    Offer your backside to the bedouins for hard cash!

    “Aides to Blair confirmed last week that he is planning to open an office in Abu Dhabi, capital of the UAE – where he is reported to be especially close to the crown prince, Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan – to strengthen his links with the Gulf autocracies.

    His business dealings and consultancies are obscured by a network of companies and partnerships that allow him to avoid publishing full accounts. But his earnings were reported last year to be more than £20m a year.”

  249. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    The bedouins know they can always count on Tony- after all he made absolutely sure Bandar was not brought to justice for the billions of pounds of bribes he received from BAE.

    The princes have to remain above the law when they are “frolicking” in London as they so like too, right?

    Forget about a nurse, policeman, or office employee being able to afford a shithole in the wall in London- as long as the bedouin cash is flowing, we’ll even sell old Mum if needed!

    Tony, the kind of PM Britain’s allies can always count on- for the right fee.

  250. kooshy says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    July 2, 2014 at 11:44 am

    BiB Jaan

    There isn’t any dictator, war criminal Tony B-lair don’t like,

  251. James Canning says:

    Pouya,

    In order to attack Frum’s contentions, I quoted him. Noting a false argument or contention, in order to attack it, is normal.

  252. James Canning says:

    Pouya,

    In my judgment, Frum played a key role in the duping or manipulating of GW Bush into launching idiotic US invasion of Iraq in 2003.

  253. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Montenegro is focusing on upmarket tourism and property development. The future looks very promising.

  254. James Canning says:

    Kooshy,

    So, Obama’s refusal to have the US intervene directly in the vicious Syrian civil war, can be compared to “child molestation”?

  255. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 2, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    That line of development never generate wealth in sufficient amount for the entire population – it favors services that require people with minimal education and aptitude to cater to richer folks than themselves.

    Go to Hawaii and see what tourism and high-end development has done to that place.

  256. Jay says:

    James,

    A courtesy interjection here… Because you seem to be lost.

    Here is one of the larger points being made by Bussed-in-Basij, fyi, Sammy, and Kooshy that I am formatting in your one/two-liner style so you can follow it.

    Promoting a system that favors thieves, criminals, cronies, and sycophants, raises the profile and influence of … you guessed it, …. thieves, criminals, cronies, and sycophants who are willing to do whatever it takes – including acts that are analogous to mutual molestation!

  257. kooshy says:

    James Canning says:
    July 2, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    So, Obama’s refusal to have the US intervene directly in the vicious Syrian civil war, can be compared to “child molestation”?

    Gav

    You and I plus we all, know that Barack Obama would have loved molesting Syria directly only if the man had the “Balls”, never less as again we all know, he still covertly and overtly is molesting this poor country in tune of $500 million freshly printed dollars.

    Gav James, do you really subscribe to the idea that Obama’s balls, are reserved for use solely in Europe, say in Poland, or in other formats in the entire EU as previously explained by Victoria No-land.

    Gav James- on other note, since you are British, have a great 4th and don’t forget to ask Tony Blair how to prepare the “Texas Ranch Sauce”

  258. nico says:

    fyi says:

    “That line of development never generate wealth in sufficient amount for the entire population – it favors services that require people with minimal education and aptitude to cater to richer folks than themselves.

    Go to Hawaii and see what tourism and high-end development has done to that place.”

    You surely are suggesting Hawaii should be an Industrial hub.
    Surely good for Hawaii ecosystem and the people living there.
    And economically relevant…
    Or maybe Hawaii should still be organized on an agriculture based economy ?

    Well again you produce crap.
    As usual.
    You are only good at geopolitics.
    Leave moral and economics to others.
    You are just making yourself ridiculous.

  259. fyi says:

    Smith says:

    July 2, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    Two of my relatives died over the last 8 months.

    Both died of heart attack as a consequence of chemotherapy; we all speculate if the drugs were adulterated or otherwise defective that caused their deaths.

    One died in the toilet in the hospital just before starting his second chemotherapy session.

    The other died within two months of being diagnosed with leukemia and undergoing his first chemotherapy session.

    In wars people die.

  260. nico says:

    Fyi,

    Not that I care.
    But you riding your high horse trying to impress the gullibles regarding the depth of your knowledge and wiseness….
    ahaha.
    I am doing you charity by bringing you back to earth and preserving your mental ealth.

  261. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    From the horse’s mouth…remember what Imam said: When they start praising you, you know you’re doing something wrong.

    The western corporate dalal bitches are foaming at the mouth…

    Oil, Auto Companies Make Plans to Invest in Iran if Sanctions Ease

    As Diplomats Work on Potential Nuclear Deal, Prospect of End to Sanctions Draws Plans for Return to Iran

    http://online.wsj.com/articles/oil-auto-companies-make-plans-to-invest-in-iran-if-sanctions-ease-1404257812

    “The interest in Iran is accelerating, and the country could be at a turning point,” said Ali Amiri, a Harvard-educated Iranian partner based in Tehran and London for investment firm ACL Ltd., who said his team has more than $100 million in commitments, largely from European investors, for a fund focused on the country. “But if a deal isn’t reached in Vienna, this all could evaporate.”

    Mr. Shafei of the Chamber of Commerce is part of a core group of Iranian businessmen, diplomats and economic planners who have been mobilized by President Hasan Rouhani since he took office in August to reintegrate Iran into the international economy. They include Ph.D. economists from American universities and former Wall Street executives.

    The strategy of the group, which is also aiming to rebuild the domestic economy, was outlined during interviews with more than a dozen Iranian government officials and businessmen in Tehran and Europe over the past three months.

    Sanctions have left the country cut off from the world’s banks and its oil revenues sliced in half. Populist policies pursued by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Mr. Rouhani’s predecessor, fueled hyperinflation, a steep plunge in the Iranian currency and an economic contraction of nearly 6% during the fiscal year ending March 2013, according to the International Monetary Fund.”

    “Mr. Rouhani is pouring diplomats into European and Asian capitals to spread the message that Iran is open for business. Special focus is on rehabilitating Iran’s oil industry, which had a steep decline in production and exports over the past decade due to a drop in investment and a European embargo on oil exports.

    In recent months, senior executives from European energy giants Total of France, Anglo-Dutch Royal Dutch Shell and Italy’s ENI ENI.MI +0.50% SpA have met with Iran’s Oil Ministry to discuss their potential return if sanctions are lifted, according to the ministry and companies. All had major oil-extraction operations in Iran prior to the sanctions and have expressed interest in resurrecting them.

    Spain’s Repsol SA REP.MC +0.31% and Norway’s Statoil AS STL.OS -0.42% A have met Iranian oil officials in recent months to explore the possibility of returning to the country, according to people familiar with the meetings. Repsol declined to comment. Statoil said the company meets Iranian officials regularly over remaining payment obligations to the country but said it doesn’t comment on assessments of potential business opportunities.

    Iranian Oil Minister Bijan Zanganeh said that once sanctions are lifted, Iran could quickly boost output by 700,000 barrels a day. He has sought to sweeten terms for investors by offering longer-term and more-flexible contracts.”

    “Roubeh Pirouz, an Iranian schooled at Stanford, Harvard and Oxford, is also aggressively promoting Iran to foreign investors. His Turquoise Partners, an investment management firm, has been organizing investment meetings and trips to Iran since November’s interim agreement.

    “We want to make sure that Iran is positioned if the sanctions get lifted,” said Mr. Pirouz, 42, who splits his time between offices in Tehran and London.

    In May, the firm hosted a group of largely European investors in Tehran where they met with finance officials and visited local companies, he said.

    In April, Turquoise hosted a lunch in London for executives from the Tehran Stock Exchange and interested foreign investors. Over two days, the Iranian delegation also had a meeting with Thomson Reuters Corp. TRI.T +0.28% on the company’s financial news and data services; and with Deutsche Bank on asset management strategies. Renaissance Capital inquired about new investment opportunities with the Iranian exchange. And exchange executives met with European law firms and a strategic communications company, according to participants in the meetings.

    Reuters confirmed the meeting; spokesmen at Deutsche Bank and Renaissance Capital declined to comment.”

    “Eventually the relationship has to happen,” said Reza Soltanzadeh, a U.S.-educated financier, referring to a normalization of commercial ties between the U.S. and Iran. He said his company, Iran Industries Investment Co., has been talking to British, Emirati and Russian investment funds about buying into Iranian companies, particularly in the steel and mining sectors.

    Iran’s ambivalent views of the U.S. are on display across Tehran. Next to the Chamber of Commerce, the former U.S. embassy’s walls are decorated with anti-American propaganda, including a mural that proclaims “Down with USA” and a painting of the Statue of Liberty with a skull for a face.

    Still, officials working at the chamber seem genuinely excited about re-engaging with Washington. Mr. Shafei said Iranian firms are eager to have access to the world’s best markets and technologies, wherever they are.

    “We are for sure interested in having relations with the American economy,” said Mr. Shafei, a 30-year veteran at the Chamber who just missed working in his building at a time when American diplomats were next door. “It seems like it’s not just us who lost.”

  262. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    All of it “…for the good of Iran”

    Bullshit.

  263. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Hey how about this: “When sanctions are lifted” the fuckin idiots at Seda o Sima can stop the charade and do the actual gay version, right?

    “…for the good of Iran”.

    Iran’s Shot-for-Shot Remake of Modern Family Has One Major Difference

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/irans-shot-for-shot-remake-of-modern-family-has-one-major-difference/

  264. James Canning says:

    Kooshy,

    My understanding is that Obama was relieved he did not have to hit Syria with a few hundred cruise missiles. And General Dempsey still opposes US military intervention in the vicious civil war in Syria.

  265. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    I am confident Montenegro is following the right track. And I think the people of the country will greatly benefit from the programme (high-end tourism and property development).

  266. kooshy says:

    It is phantasy if one believes that Turkey will and can tolerate an ISIS restrictive, extremely violent Islamic ruled caliphate on her southern borders, while Turkey’s major income comes from European truism of her Anatolian relax beaches.
    Never less in mean time, Turkey does deserve getting whatever, as long and as much troubles she is going to get from ISIS and others stagnation in the Turkey’ southern borders.

  267. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 2, 2014 at 6:26 pm

    Then you are confident about things that you know nothing about; service sector jobs in hospitality industry have very low pay.

    They are not a foundation for economic growth and prosperity; it is not so in Bahamas, in Jamaica, in Honduras (with the addition of prostitution), or in Thailand.

    Spain has not prospered since 2008 even thought the number of tourists increased over the last few years.

    These countries are just servants to the rich Euro-Americans and Arabs; that is all.

  268. fyi says:

    kooshy says:

    July 2, 2014 at 6:31 pm

    Forget about that; they demonstrated both in Turkey and in Egypt that Muslim Brotherhood does not stand for Islam but for opportunism disguised as Outward Piety.

  269. kooshy says:

    From today’s Kyhan editorial

    در این باره نیز باید گفت: کردستان عراق، بین کشورهای ایران، سوریه، ترکیه و داخل خاک عراق قرار دارد و هیچ یک از این کشورها با استقلال کردستان موافق نیستند
    یعنی این منطقه «عملا» امکان تجزیه شدن را ندارد که در این صورت، هیچ مسیری-دریایی، هوایی و زمینی- به خارج نخواهد داشت. همانطور که می‌دانیم، کشورهایی که به خارج دسترسی نداشته باشند، فقط در صورتی امکان ادامه حیات خواهند داشت که با یکی از کشورهای اطراف روابط دوستانه و نزدیکی داشته باشند در صورتی که کردستان عراق امروز روابط خوبی هم با هر یک از این کشورها داشته باشد، معلوم نیست پس از علم کردن پرچم استقلال این روابط همچنان حسنه باقی بماند. آنچه در این میان یکی از اصلی‌ترین موانع تجزیه‌ است، پیوند عمیق کردهای ایران با میهن اسلامی است که حساب جداگانه‌ای دارد.
    ممکن است عده‌ای به اظهارات اخیر مسعود بارزانی مبنی بر برگزاری همه پرسی استقلال طی یک ماه آینده اشاره کنند که در پاسخ این عده هم باید گفت: بارزانی بهتر از هر کس دیگری می‌داند، چنین مسئله‌ای بنا به دلیلی که گفته شد، عملی نیست و این اظهارات به احتمال قریب به یقین با هدف بهره‌برداری از فرصت پیش آمده جهت گرفتن امتیازاتی صورت گرفته است.
    در همین جا یاد آوری می‌کنیم که، احزاب، جریان‌های سیاسی و اکراد عراق باید توجه داشته باشند که اکنون فرصت مناسبی برای سهم خواهی‌های سیاسی و حزبی و غیره نیست. اظهارات و موضع گیری‌های اختلاف برانگیز فقط و فقط به تشدید بحران منجر خواهد شد و نه چیزی دیگر. توجه به رهنمودهای مرجعیت دینی عراق و اتحاد و همدلی، بزرگترین ضربه را به دشمن مشترک همه آنها یعنی جبهه غربی، عربی، عبری و تکفیری خواهد زد.

    http://kayhan.ir/fa/news/17429/توهم-از-نوع-داعشی-یادداشت-روز

  270. Pouya says:

    James Canning

    Understood. Thx

    General comment

    I am not sure why everyone is so worried about these states breaking up. These borders cannot stand, they are fake. Nations or people who have true nationality will stand and it will only strengthen the region. A democratically elected government of Kurds will do what is right for Kurdistan. It will always be threat to Turkey and will always have to come to terms with its neighbors, even if it hosts a US base. Turkey hosts US bases but it is Iran’s largest trading partner in the region and a nation Iran can deal with.
    The instability in Iraq and Syria is much to the happiness of the Gulf states who will become victims of the same instability. Syria and parts of Iraq have already shown to want to stand up for something resembling nationhood. Time will tell if the same is true regarding the Gulf states, and even Turkey.
    This instability is highly beneficial to Israel in the interim. But in the long run it threatens its regional allies.

  271. A-B says:

    It is all about a War of Siege, a la Mafia, of the Fascist/Racist West; either you let us in, or we force ourselves in (cf. Iraq); either you ‘voluntarily’ buy our junk (as during the Shah); or we, through sanctions based on bogus excuses, keep your money and give you the ‘option’ to either starve or ‘buy’ our junk (so much for the free market!!) We totally destroy your identity and ‘brand’ and inflate ours, so that when we invade your homes and markets you will consider it a boon we bestow on you (pure fascistic behavior). You will open your homes to our [obnoxious] tourerists, AKA tourists; after all it is in your culture to treat foreigners as “gods”!!

    ‘Ironically’, the Europeans always say “in times of high unemployment and economic hardship people BECOME racist”. Well you don’t ‘become’ racist; you ARE racists but it manifests under stress. It’s fascinating how the ‘scientific minded’ Westerners ‘become’ so sloppy with the phenomenology. I mean you trace the CAUSATION of, say, cold sore that MANIFESTS during ‘stress’ to herpes VIRUS. But the Europeans refuse any responsibility and blame everything on either foreigners or JOOOZ; or they ‘generously’ share it with the Rest; that it is ‘human nature’! Well the West BRAG that Iran is under THEIR severest sanctions EVER, which have created unemployment and hardship for Iranians; they bitch about their ‘tax money’ while they have stolen TRILLIONS of Iranian assets; they bitch that ‘foreigners’ spread drugs while US/UK have created millions of addicts in Iran; AND the West have KILLED MILLIONS of Iranians; famine of 1917-19, Iran-Iraq war, terrorism. Are Iranians ‘racists’ despite Europeans/West’s blatant savagery?

    One wonders how much animosity is animosity enough before people [of Iran] wake up.

    K1-N

  272. A-B says:

    Amuzingly, I found a, shall I say ‘secular’, advantage with Iranian veil policy: it kept many tourerists out of Iran as I’ve encountered many foreigners who “would love to go to Iran” but haven’t because they “refuse” to wear veil! So much for their “interest in different cultures”!! Admittedly, it has attracted some ‘weird’ female tourerists, who see a trip to the ‘mysogenist’ Iran as a ‘mission’ or sort of a ‘rite of passage’ (LOL!) But alas; the veil is not keeping the ‘trash’ out for long; they are realizing that they are treated better than the locals … [regretably] as usual!

  273. nico says:

    fyi says:

    “Then you are confident about things that you know nothing about; service sector jobs in hospitality industry have very low pay.

    They are not a foundation for economic growth and prosperity; it is not so in Bahamas, in Jamaica, in Honduras (with the addition of prostitution), or in Thailand.

    Spain has not prospered since 2008 even thought the number of tourists increased over the last few years.

    These countries are just servants to the rich Euro-Americans and Arabs; that is all.”

    Again that is BS.
    How can one compare the economy of Hawaii, Montenegro, Jamaica, Spain and the US ?
    Is the recipe for economic development the same in each case ?
    Anyway what is exactely your issue ?
    You are a liberal egotistic nihilist individualist.
    That should not be a problem for you as that is the “globalization” macro model implemented by the US at world stage.
    That is the situation in the estern world where democracy needs borders, rule of law and brick layers involvement.
    Whereas the ultra liberal model economic is about inequality, borders destruction, lawless take up by corporations and oligarchs, etc…
    That is parodoxical as right of ownership needs strong state otherwise it is anarchy, thus economic liberalism needs strong state, therefore it needs borders.

    That being said borders and political models as well as upholding of a country is related to populace adherence to the model. Otherwise it is called fascism or dictatorship.

    Now suffice to see western populace adherence to their leadership through opinion polls.

    The crux of the matter is that social liberalism and economic ultra liberalism are related.
    That is the so called degenerate social liberal/progressive (the same as the hulanitarian imperialists) are basing their philosophy on your cherished individualism and nihilism.
    They lost all common sense and common decency
    And they feed this clueless globalized individualist, egotist, nihilist and ultra liberal economy.

    Because at the end of the day it is about moral and ideology. No more, no less.

    And today the global ideologically unified battle is between the countryless degenerate free mason like progressive allied with the ultra liberal globalists on the first hand and the traditional society struggling to keep safe their identity, specificity and the protection of their borders.

    As a conclusion they are 2 relevant categories today. Otyer categories are irrelevant in term of power and weight in the current intrnational order (the so called salafists being irrelevant as they are only the proxy tool in the fight between the 2 categories).

    The first category is the US unilateral empire and stooges trying to impose their boderless corporate fascist like dictature, ideologically allidd with the so called degenerate nihilist, individualistic, egotistic and exceptionalist social progressives.

    The other category is about represented by “independent” nations like Russia, China, Iran and others.
    It is about defending their autonomy and traditional identity.
    It is about putting state and nation cohesion above individualism and olitarchoc like social organization.
    It is about a multipolar world order.
    And so on.

    Thus there is a combination between social ideological views and economics.

    There are 2 categories and you obviously fall in the wrong one. You know why, I think BiB explained enough here.
    As you are with us or against us.
    Other categories are irrelevants.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-02/17-facts-prove-quality-jobs-america-going-down-drain

  274. nico says:

    Fyi,

    But you know, your position does not come as a surprise.
    Anyone is determined by its social group.
    I am proud to say that I am a brick layer.
    While you are obviously ridding your high oligarchic horse from your arrogant, aristocratic and queer like perspectives.

  275. fyi says:

    A-B says:

    July 3, 2014 at 3:00 am

    They Americans I met in the central plains of the United States were racists plainly and overtly – product to be “White”.

    And they were not under duress; they demonstrated that Men are in the State of Fall – regardless of their well being and prosperity, they need to kick some one else to feel superior to.

  276. fyi says:

    A-B says:

    July 3, 2014 at 5:14 am

    In fact, setting aside Suleymaniayeh Mosque, there is nothing of architectural beauty in entire Istanbul.

    The foreign tourists there cannot find anything comparable – even remotely – to the historical monuments in Isfahan, Yazd, Kashan, or even South Tehran.

    I think the Iranian tourists there are going there to take a breather from the Islamic Disaster in Iran; I cannot recommend that uncomfortable city as a tourist destination.

  277. fyi says:

    All:

    Not everyone in the United States is White supremacist jingoistic fool:

    http://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2014/06/30/tell-the-imperial-president-no-more-wars/

    Regrettably, such men are no longer electable in the United State or in the European Union.

  278. Rehmat says:

    On July 3, 1988, Iranian passenger Flight 655 was destroyed in air by two SM-2MR deadly missiles fired from the USS Vincennes – killing all 290 on board including 66 children and 16 crew.

    Commanded by Captain William C. Rogers III, who under directions from the Pentagon, committed this terrorist attack to force Tehran to accept a ceasefire with Saddam Hussein’s forces which were losing the 8-year US-Israel proxy war against the newly established Islamic Republic.

    As usual, Washington tried to whitewash its crimes against Iran. The Hollywood actor in the White House, Ronald Reagan issued a statement calling the incident “a terrible human tragedy”, but justified the state terrorism “a proper defense action by the USS Vincennes” after the “aircraft failed to heed repeated warnings”. Flight 655 was shot while flying over international waters.

    Admiral William J. Crowe, the CJCS, added another lie in support of president Reagan’s story. He claimed that Rogers III mistook the Iranian aircraft (A-300 Airbus) to be Iranian Air Force F-14 which was going to attack USS Vincennes. Looking at the pictures of both F-14 and A-300 at the top of this post show that these anti-Iran Zionists were lying from both sides of their mouths.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/07/03/us-murder-of-290-civilians-on-iran-flight-655/

  279. Rehmat says:

    fyi – Have you ever heard of Abraham Fox, head of Israel Lobby for the last 50 years? He certainly meet your criteria of a White Supremacist and FOOL.

    Last month Foxman got New York’s Metropolitan Opera of John Adam’s ‘The Death of Klinghoffer’ got cancelled fearing it could produce “existential threat” to Israel.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/06/19/adl-the-death-of-klinghoffer-is-anti-israel/

  280. humanist says:

    To Richard Steven Hack:

    I for one miss your input to this site and yearn the type of Links you usually provide to divers thought provoking articles or videos.

    In my view you are quite bright. I am sure you know how seriously the influential warmongers want to blast out sites like ours and I am sure you know, here, who are the sly agents of the warmongers who use sumo tactics to throw astute commentators out of the circle….for good… also please ignore those who attack you personally (instead of intellectually challenging your arguments).

    Come back… make this site richer.

    I for one miss you!

  281. A-B says:

    fyi,

    ‘Ironically’ within quotation marks was essential to the whole paragraph; that the quote is just a not-so-fancy excuse for an otherwise innate racism that you too addressed. What I criticize is – again – the ‘seemingly’ willful ignorance of the otherwise educated, modern, and rational European/Westerner who undeniably have invented many wonderfully complex things. We agree again; there are subtle – but sometimes crucial – differences, which I appreciate. I hope others in this forum could do too.

    And yes, Iranians can go to the neighboring Turkey to enjoy a respite, and other foreign tourists go there to … I sometimes wonder why! Equally, the Iranian women seem to have a very complex relationship to the veil, which the simplistic Western mind cannot/won’t fathom, but rather ridicule. “interested in different cultures [including the Turkish]”? Yeah, right!

    K1-N

  282. fyi says:

    A-B says:

    July 3, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    I noticed that too, about hejab and Iranian women; in US I see some that still continue to wear a scarf – but not the manteaux; on the other hand, in Istanbul, there seemed to be more of a variation; from completely European clothes to the manteaux and scarf.

    Which is consistent with I have been saying all along – leave the women to make their own decisions and get the state out of the business of enforcing piety – we all saw what happened in Afghanistan with Taliban.

  283. fyi says:

    A-B says:

    July 3, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    By the way, Euro-Americans are not rational; they so pretend.

    In US, they are in Love with Israel and in the fly-over-America regions they hate Islam and specially hate Iran.

    As for EU, I have not yet heard any rational argument from EU leaders why a 20% increase in their fuel costs and loss of hundreds of billions of orders from Iran makes rational sense.

  284. A-B says:

    fyi says:
    July 3, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    Of course, I don’t think they are rational; I’ve been saying this constantly. Well, it is ‘rational’ in the same sense that there is a “method to a madness” or they are irrational by volition.

    I didn’t put “educated, modern, and rational” in my post within quotation marks because those qualities are needed to devise those “wonderfully COMPLEX things”, but that their willful ignorance is ‘seemingly’, implying an irrationality. So, you think I use too few quotation mark? :-)

    K1-N

  285. James Canning says:

    Pouya,

    What border revisions in the Middle East would you favour?

  286. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    I have a good understanding of upscale property development and tourism, and my confidence in Montenegro’s future is soundly based.

  287. kooshy says:

    James Canning says:
    July 3, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    “I have a good understanding of upscale property development and tourism,”

    Gav James,
    Are you sure you are not Basil Fawlty? Should have said earlier, but all along through past years, I had some suspicion, reading your comments and trying to understand your logics. Should we start calling you Basil? Or how’s, Gav. Fawlty. That I think, is bloody well-suiting my dear.

  288. Sammy says:

    ‘I have a good understanding of upscale property development and tourism’…

    Holy Fucking FUCK , GAV canning , why didn’t you tell us earlier.
    So finally you learned something ‘proper’ in your fucking life.
    So you are one of those who rent out flats to those child molesting , servant fucking ‘*A*- arabs’ from KSA , bravo GAV I was losing hope.

  289. Pouya says:

    James Canning

    I favor any consolidation that is true and indigenous to the population. Such an arrangement would contribute to regional stability. I have nothing against a Kurdish Democratic state.
    If I had to guess and look into the future, I would guess southern and central Iraq would eventually join Iran since they don’t have an independent identity outside an Iraq nationalism. Jordan should be renamed as the new Palestine as they are the majority population there now. I think Yemen and Oman would survive because they has a true historic and national identity. Interesting enough and contrary to Iranian aspirations, the Bahrainis have developed an identity and history that is their own. After the failure of Iran’s Azari backed constitutional revolution in 1906 (which was world’s 3rd Democracy Revolution), the Bahrainis formed their own parliament identical to the one formed in Iran, in 1922. And just as Iran experienced, the British bombed and killed Bahrain’s parliamentarians directly. Therefore, the Bahraini’s have an independent history of demcratic movement that rivals second to none in this world. They are likely to run a successful state should the low-life king be removed. I have no idea what could happen to the Saudi’s but that regime is not sustainable.

  290. Irshad says:

    ‘Thank God for the Saudis’: ISIS, Iraq, and the Lessons of Blowback
    U.S lawmakers encouraged officials in Riyadh to arm Syrian rebels. Now that strategy may have created a monster in the Middle East.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/06/isis-saudi-arabia-iraq-syria-bandar/373181/

    The same countries that went gun blazing to remove Assad have now turned on Iraq. It seems being an ally of Iran is a very dangerous and risky affair. When will all this blowback in to Saudi Arabia, Qatar and holier-then-thou Erdogan’s Turkey?

  291. Karl.. says:

    Irshad
    10:03

    This stuff can happen in Iran too, which of course west would love.

  292. nico says:

    fyi says:

    “Not everyone in the United States is White supremacist jingoistic fool:

    http://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2014/06/30/tell-the-imperial-president-no-more-wars/

    Regrettably, such men are no longer electable in the United State or in the European Union.”

    Well what is the issue ?
    Thank you to prove my point.
    There is only 2 relevant categories left.
    With us or against us.
    Unfortunate your whole life proved to be willing adherence to such phenomenon.
    BiB explained why…
    You know the countryless (by choice), individualist, nihilist so called progressive…
    You are a small paricle in an otherwise massive trend.
    Keep studying your Apache server that would be better for you.

  293. fyi says:

    Irshad says:

    July 4, 2014 at 10:03 am

    This war to curtail Iran’s gains in Iraq – after the 2003 US destruction of the Ba’ath Iraq has backfired greatly on its instigators; the United States, EU, Turkey, and Persian Gulf Arabs.

    For, essentially, they drove the minority sects and religions in the Middle East toward one another and forced them to cooperate with one another strategically, logistically, tactically across 5 countries: Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, and Syria.

    The Axis Powers and their allies also failed to articulate a credible vision of the future for the people of the Near East – nothing like the Atlantic Charter was ever produced and the expansion of the Jihadists – in umbers and in dominance – gutted the usual clap-trap of “secular democratic government” statements of so many opposition leaders.

    The war of destruction of the Resistance Alliance has become the War of Creation of Shia Crescent; because this has been its singular achievement.

    Another achievement of this war has been the revelation that Sunni Political Islam – Arabs or Turkish – is incapable of acting on Islamic Principles. By Islamic Principles I mean following on the Path of the Prophets, attempting to promote their goals via their methods.

    The Prophet would go and have lunch with heretics, Mr. Mursi did not even stay for lunch in Tehran – I guess he thought himself a wily Machiavellian – hoping to impress US and Israel instead.

    Mr. Erdogan ruined the livelihoods of millions of Muslims in Syria and now in Iraq.

    And these two representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood are the most advanced form Islamic-based politics among the Sunni Muslims.

    As for Saudis and other Arabs – they stand for nihilism of power, that is all.

    And the individual jihadists are now – after 3 years of war – are misguided fools that stand for a historical myth which has no bearing on the current state of Muslim World.

    They are unjustified and illegal combatants who have no authorization from a legitimate religious or profane authority to wage war; and certainly not against fellow Muslims.

    All in all, what has been demonstrated is that there is not path forward except the ideas of the late Mr. Khomeini on Islamic Government and the current structures of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

  294. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Iraq has bought 500 Hellfire missiles from the US and wants to buy many thousands more. You see this as part of a programme to create a Shia Crescent of power, intended to injure the US?

  295. James Canning says:

    Pouya,

    Even if it were possible, I doubt Iran would wish to annex the heavily-Shia portions of Iraq.

    Destroying Jordan is a central plank of the neocon programme.

  296. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Are you familiar with private comments by Nouri al-Maliki, regarding his dislike of the Syrians and Persians he dealt with years ago?

  297. James Canning says:

    Sammy,

    Where do you get the idea I rent flats to rich Gulf Arabs? I was discussing Montenegro.

  298. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 4, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    In the specific case of Hellfire missiles, Americans are again facing the consequences of their own actions and strategies.

    3 years ago, Mr. Danilon announced the policy of state destruction in Syria to wound Iran.

    Now, that policy resulted in the actual realization of the Shia Crescent as well as significant rise in Sunni terrorism.

    Americans tried to finesse this; trying to use ISIS incursion into Iraq to manipulate the internal politics of Iraq to reduce Iranian influence.

    What happened was the opposite, Iran (and Russia) came to the rescue of Iraq’s government while US was clearly seen dragging her feet – just like the rest of the so-called Atlantic Alliance – in helping Iraq.

    In the meantime, an Iranian issued a call to Jihad against ISIS and Arab armies were formed as a direct result of that fatwa and the Iraqi state was saved.

    I really do not believe that I can explain all the policies of the Mad King – after all, by definition, they are incoherent and deranged; a secular republic waging a religious war on behalf of one religion against others.

    And an anti-religious union (EU) trying to pulverize Shia societies in Lebanon, Iran, Syria, and Iraq through economic warfare and military intrigues with Sunni and Jewish powers.

    [France & England have military assets in the Persian Gulf, ready for war against Iran – but not to be used against ISIS.]

    These wars will continue – no doubt.

  299. James Canning says:

    Kooshy,

    are you trying to argue that Montenegro should favour mass-market tourism and property development? My point with FYI is that I expect Serbia to benefit from the prosperity I anticipate being achieved in Montenegro. You argue to the contrary?

  300. Empty says:

    RE: “Iraq has bought 500 Hellfire missiles from the US and wants to buy many thousands more. You see this as part of a programme to create a Shia Crescent of power, intended to injure the US?”

    Word pretzeling…

  301. James Canning says:

    Sammy,

    Idoubt that Victoria Nuland would like to injure the EU. She did make a stupid comment that some seem to think reflected such a desire on her part.

  302. James Canning says:

    Karl,

    You tend to claim that “the west” wants this or that, when in fact many times you seem to be referring to a small segment of opinion in the west.

    I think “the West” would like to see a prosperous Iran living in peace with its neighbors. Elements of the extreme Israel lobby think otherwise, of course.

  303. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 4, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    I am not familiar with those comments, but in the eternal words of the late Sir Winston: “If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.” I should expect Mr. Maliki to appreciate the help that Iran and Syria provided to the Iraqi state and himself as well.

    The fact of the matter is that the wars instigated against Shia in Lebanon, against the Ba’ath state in Syria, against Iraq now, and the economic war against Iran [to create hyperinflation in Iran – aiming to turn Iranian peoples’ namus into whores] have all resulted in the targets of these policies to cooperate with one another on the battle fields of Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, and Iran. This cooperation under fire is the most significant and lasting effect of the Axis Powers war against the Shia and other minority sects of the Near East.

  304. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 4, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    Just like there is Fly-Over-America that hates Islam and specially hates Iran, there seems to be a Fly-Over Europe that hates Islam and specially hates Iran.

    How else can one explain the attempt at the repeat of the Weimer Republic’s hyperinflation in Iran by US and specially EU.

    In my view, US and EU are opposed to the existence of strategically autonomous Iran. They are also oblivious that in that manner the are in opposition to a 150-year long nationalist aspiration of all Iranians – even those opposed to the Islamic Republic.

    US and EU have no positive program for Iran that is acceptable to Iranians just as they do not have any such program for Russia – “Obey us” is the sum total of US and EU position when it comes to Iran or Russia.

  305. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    If Iran makes a deal with P5+1, you will see how many thousands of companies from the West do all they can to enlarge the Iranian economy, and with it the power of Iran.

    Israel lobby does not want Iran free to give support to the Palestinians. Ergo, Israel lobby wants continued isolation of Iran.

  306. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    You appear to be suggesting the US, UK et al are trying to overthrow the Shia-controlled government of Iraq. This is not true, though Maliki is under fire for not doing enough to accomodate the Sunnis in Iraq.

  307. James Canning says:

    Empty,

    Your explanation for Obama’s thinking, in supplying thousands of Hellfire missiles to Iraq?

  308. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 4, 2014 at 5:15 pm

    Won’t happen.

  309. Empty says:

    James Canning,

    RE: “Your explanation for Obama’s thinking, in supplying thousands of Hellfire missiles to Iraq?”

    No. My explanation for what you do with other people’s straight forward statements.

  310. Karl.. says:

    Cameron/Hague want to arm the terrorists in Syria.
    http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2014/07/shock-and-awe-in-syria.html

  311. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    nico-jan,

    Well now that the fat lady has sung and evolved from “Islamic disaster” to:

    “All in all, what has been demonstrated is that there is not path forward except the ideas of the late Mr. Khomeini on Islamic Government and the current structures of the Islamic Republic of Iran.”

    in this blessed month of fasting, self-reflection and repentance, let’s recite salawat…

  312. nico says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    July 5, 2014 at 6:47 am

    Well yes, that is the sum total of his internal unconsistencies.
    That is why he pontificates from his high horse.
    The so called cold and neutral analyst.
    At the end of the day he only cares about himself and the comfortable life and has the nerve to provide opinions.
    About this and about that, blablabla
    Economic development in Jamaica. Human right in KSA. Culture in Japan or Italy. Scientific development in other places.
    Cherry picking what he thinks best from his individualist and egotistic perspectives.
    Truly in the wrong category…

  313. Karl.. says:

    Another sickening murder of a palestinian.
    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/mohammed-possible-abductions.html

    Have Iran stopped condemning Israel after Ahmadinejad left?

  314. James Canning says:

    Empty,

    Whose “straightforward” statements do you claim I twist? I seek clarity, and specificity.

  315. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    You apparently argue Rouhani will not be able to achieve a deal between Iran and the P5+1, and for that reason thousands of western companies will not be doing business in Iran and thereby happily increasing Iran’s power.

  316. masoud says:

    Rouhani gangsters have no shame
    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/international/us-company-signs-us-1/1238670.html

    After viciating Iran’s gasoline refining capacity in the name of air quality, they go and sign an agreement to set up a garbage burning plant in one of the greenest parts of the country, in the name of bringing a hand full of jobs to the province. Iran’s environment isn’t worth more than 1.75 billion.

  317. Empty says:

    masoud,

    I agree with what is implied in your statement. That is, many folks in Rouhani’s circle, if (big IF) they were not on such a leash, they would behave worse than a slobbering lap dog towards its master in relation to the US. Fortunately, they are on a leash and they can only wander as far as they are allowed.

    This case, however, is an example of a dangling carrot. The agreement is conditional upon lifting of the sanctions. The US side, I think, hopes to use these types of deals to seduce the Iranian side into making concessions that may not be in the best interest of Iran. The Iranian side hopes to use it demonstrate its seriousness about reaching an agreement and also provide evidence on how much the US businesses would lose in contract should the US side be too rigid.

    In any event, I detest these haggles.

  318. fyi says:

    Empty says:

    July 6, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    The Russians are also dangling carrots – in the form of new nuclear power plants in Iran.

    And Japanese are showing up in Iran to express their interest in the Iranian market…

    The fact is that none of these carrots are worth much since we have known, since August of 2013, that the military destruction of Iran remains the principle aim of the Axis Powers.

    Upon the destruction of Iran – say in a similar way to what happened in Iraq – the foreigners can try to sell various things to those who would be controlling the Iranian oil and gas.

    Like Mr. James Canning here, Axis Powers and Russia are putting an inordinate amount of their faith in economic inducements and considerations. They are oblivious to instances where economic inducements or considerations failed to have any substantive effect on issues of war and peace:

    1 – Palestinians have not yet surrendered to US-EU-Israel Diktats
    2 – Russians fought in 1942 rather than surrender
    3 – The English people decided on War with the Third Reich in April-May of 1939
    4 – Iranians continued fighting after the Iraqis attacked Iran in 1981

    And many many more such examples in recent history…

  319. fyi says:

    All:

    Ambassador Lars Faaborg-Andersen. EU Ambassador to Israel, is urging peace (while EU is waging war against the Shia-Irani power):

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-peace-conference/1.601978

    Contemptible…

  320. Empty says:

    ATTENTION:

    The company that is supposed to have signed a billion dollar+ deal with Iran looks more like a fake company and a “front.” It’s called World Eco Energy (not to be confused with Eco World Energy) and its website must have been set up quite quickly, rather sloppily, and with absolutely no concrete information about projects, clients, offices, etc. that one could verify its authenticity and legitimacy. Here is the site: http://www.worldecoenergy.com/home.html

    Some notable quotable from the site:

    *The “Copyright” does not have a year on it. According to the US Office of Copyright, the year is one of the 3 required elements.

    “With World Eco Energy by your side, you have the peace of mind that you are working with one of the most innovative Algae Biomass/ Biofuel companies in the USA. Our superior Algae products and services provides gives us the list of successful projects that cover the globe.”

    *They must be “superior algae products” since they can even “gives [SIC] us the list of successful projects that cover the globe”

    “Algae Biomass and Biofuel; How it can change world economics with green energy and products, WORLD eco ENERGY International,
    Introduces Renewable Power Plant from (West to Energy, Algae to Power and Fule)”

    * I am sure they mean “from ‘waste’ to energy…
    * For Iran, they can produce “fule” which is much more cost saving than fuel…

    Phone: 001-949-292-3366
    Email: Info @ WORLDecoENERGY . com

    * That’s about information on “Head Offices”.

    All these lead me to believe something “garbagy” is going on…

  321. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Surely you are aware I think Israel should get out of the West Bank and let Palestine get on with economic development etc etc.

  322. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    And again, I think you are simply delusional about Nato wanting to “destroy” Iran. Nonsense.

  323. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 6, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    I think that once sanity is restored in the Halls of the Mad King, there might exist the possibility of US reaching a strategic understanding with Iran – say in another generation, 20 years from now.

    By that time, however, the only thing left to be discussed would be the disposition of Palestine.

    While in 2034 I do not expect US to give anything away for free, I expect the return of Israel to the 1948 border would be on the agenda.

  324. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 6, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    NATO states did their best to create hyperinflation in Iran – just like Weimar Republic’s hyperinflation that severely damaged the German psyche.

    There is no shame in having tried, after all, this is War and in War, just as in Love, all things are permitted.

    NATO was defeated in her aims of inducing economic and social collapse in Iran.

    There is shame in defeat, however; especially considering that yet again, their assumption of quick victory, was demonstrated to be wrong.

    US, UK, and France have military assets in the Persian Gulf.

    Why are not they using those assets against ISIS?

    Is not ISIS a terrorist organization?

    I am just being rhetorical; I know that US, UK, French military assets are there for the future war against Iran.

    If they are used now, in effect, US and UK and France would be using Arab money to help Iran allies in Iraq.

    And we cannot have that now, can we?

  325. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Empty-jan,

    Yes “garbagy”, “fishy” and definitely not “kosher”.

    The mistakes in the text indicate an “Eye-ranian” author.

    Maybe another scheme to get a commission for a never-realized project, you know trying to milk the rural folks with the old “burning-shit-for-cash” hustle.

  326. Empty says:

    testing again….

    RE: $1.175 BILLION US “Company” and Iran contract….

    Incidentally, just 3 days ago (July 3rd) the US Energy Department announced its Renewable Energy and Efficient Energy Projects Loan Guarantee Solicitation. It is “intended to support technologies that are catalytic, replicable, and market-ready. Within the solicitation, the Department has included a sample list illustrative of potential technologies for consideration. While any project that meets the appropriate requirements is eligible to apply, the Department has identified five key technology areas of interest: advanced grid integration and storage; drop-in biofuels; waste-to-energy; enhancement of existing facilities including micro-hydro or hydro updates to existing non-powered dams; and efficiency improvements.”

    http : // energy . gov / articles/energy-department-makes-additional-4-billion-loan-guarantees-available-innovative-renewable

  327. Empty says:

    Bussed-in Basiji,

    I loathe their type… but I’m suspecting something even more sinister.

  328. Empty says:

    fyi,

    War makes money. Peace does not. Just as diseases make money and health does not. Such are products of capitalism, liberalism, and mindless materialism (the infamous religions of modern man).

  329. fyi says:

    Empty says:

    July 6, 2014 at 11:35 pm

    May be a thousand years ago, when the late Sultan Mahmud was attacking Indian states over decades, one could empirically state that he was after money – jewels, gold, precious woods, cloth, ivory, and slaves (both males and females).

    But Americans did not fight for money; they sold their jobs abroad over a period of 30 years to pay for their imperial projects. They spend $ 4 trillion over the last 12 years not to gain $ 40 or $ 400 trillion in return – something you would have expected from such utter realists as the English – but solely to indulge in their fantasy lives.

    Men are in the State of Fall, no doubt, and having access to every single piece of human writing since the invention of writing did not make American any wiser.

  330. Empty says:

    fyi,

    In your assessments, you are confusing those who make wars and take the spoils with those who fight them and pay the price, whence a sense of irrational behavior.

  331. Empty says:

    The Chinese man who weighs less than 90 pounds and works 18 hours to earn enough money to have one modest meal a day to feed himself and his family is on the same side as the young American man whose father lost his job with a manufacturer that shipped his business overseas (to China, let’s say) for cheap labor and ended up enlisting in US Army for a college education which he never gets because he is so shell shocked and has PTSD that ends up killing his wife, kid, and at the end himself.

    Conversely, overwhelming majority of the members of the congress who vote for wars never fight even a day in wars; nor will the corporations that get the contracts after all the dusts settle.

  332. Nasser says:

    “Are the Sykes-Picot Borders Being Redrawn?” by Yezid Sayigh
    http://carnegie-mec.org/2014/06/26/are-sykes-picot-borders-being-redrawn/hej5

    An excerpt reads: “The internal regional or communal borders of states like Iraq may be redrawn, but not their external ones.”

  333. M. Ali says:

    Taking the cue from Empty, I did some quick research, and here is some more information about WorldEcoEnergy.

    1) The site is registered to Javad Mehrvijeh

    2) Javad-joon is living it up in California

    3) Javad has 33 other domains to his name, the few I found out didn’t seem to work, such as smartbank dot us, usbc dot biz, iservicecall dot com, etc

    4) Javad registered the site on 2013-07-25

    5) He registered it with GoDaddy dot com, which I don’t think is the go to website for a multibillion dollar company

    6) Nor would they build it with their Webbuilding service, which you can see from the bottom of the website!

    7) Javad is the CEO for Mehr Company in California, but I am not sure what it does, because with Javad’s 33 domains, he doesn’t have one for Mehr Company!

    8) There is no record of the website before this news, no cached or saved version from years back, or even from one year back

    9) all information on the net about worldecoenergy dot com is related to this particular news

    10) Did a custom time-based search, before 30th of June of 2014, a mere WEEK , and no website or news site mentions this company

    11) I found this on another forum, where someone found out that the number they mentioned in the website is located in a building in San Diego, with the building also housing other such prestigious buildings such as, ““Trigger Point Massage,” a company called “Sign on the X”, which has a bad rep on the web, and “Rem Sleep Center.””

    12) This is were the multibillion dollar building is located at:
    https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.572795,-117.70312&spn=0.18,0.3&cbll=33.572795,-117.70312&layer=c&panoid=RGUHYLNY0ebbPLh380s4QQ&cbp=,51.0,,0,-0.0&output=classic&dg=ntvb

  334. M. Ali says:

    Notice how the story goes that the company will invest 1.1 billion dollars in Iran with Iran having to invest the same amount of money.

    You know what this sounds like? Nigerian princes emails.

    Imagine the aging, out-of-touch politicians of Rohani’s cabinet being contacted by a lucractive investment from their Idol USA, and imagine the boner they get when they read about an investment like this, and the dollar signs they see everywhere, and how much of the billion dollar investment they can take as their cut. So when they are told that before the deal can go ahead, they have to first make the initial investment of 100,000 dollars or something, they think, “thats peanuts, we will be getting billions back!”

  335. M. Ali says:

    Western news sources such as CNN are not carrying this news, but its all over Iranian news sources.

    Shame on us.

  336. Rd. says:

    M. Ali says:

    “7) Javad is the CEO for Mehr Company in California, but I am not sure what it does, because with Javad’s 33 domains, he doesn’t have one for Mehr Company! ”

    Appears to be a marketing/advertising company!!!!! can’t imagine what they market? see linkdin

    there is also a lil’ issue of bankruptcy!!! some people in this administration keep good company!!!

    http://bankrupt.com/misc/cacb10-12239.pdf

  337. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    The idiotic US invasion of Iraq was made possible by manipulation of the press by warmongers who saw an opportunity to hijack an oil-rich country. This is the heart of the matter.

  338. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Nato was not trying to “destroy” Iran, and Nato is not trying to do so today. Nato would be content to watch Iran grow stronger and richer, provided a deal is made with P5+1.

  339. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Are you arguing that Iran would wish to force Israel to accept the borders put forward in the UN partition plan (prior to creation of Israel in 1948)? Iran has indicated it will accept Israel within pre-1967 borders if the Palestinians do so.

  340. Sammy says:

    Breaking news on presstv :
    SL : ATTACKING IRAN WILL BENEFIT NO COUNTRY….
    No clue yet what this about.

  341. fyi says:

    Sammy says:

    July 7, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    Likely, in Vienna, Iran has been threatened with war again.

    It is a real threat and I think one must assume that failure there will advance the time table of Axis Powers attack on Iran.

    On the other hand, for Iranians, it is better to chose the timing of the attack than wait for Axis Powers to attack them at their convenience.