Seyed Mohammad Marandi on the Islamic State, the United States, and the Islamic Republic of Iran


Our colleague Seyed Mohammad Marandi, professor of North American studies and dean of the Faculty of World Studies at the University of Tehran, published a powerful Op Ed, “ISIL, US Intervention and the Rise of the Iranian Model,” on Al Jazeera English earlier this week, see here.  We also append the text below.  As usual, we encourage readers to post comments, Facebook likes, etc., both on this site and on the Al Jazeera Web site.

ISIL, US Intervention and the Rise of the Iranian Model 

Seyed Mohammad Marandi

Western media coverage of Islam and the “Middle East” regularly dismisses any possibility of meaningful participatory politics outside the frame of western liberal democracy.  When the West faces a challenge such as that posed by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), or al-Qaeda before that, most western elites fall back on the notion that the only long-term solution is the (externally supported) consolidation of secular politics in the Muslim world.

But, even if one assumes that liberal democracy truly exists, it is, historically, a uniquely western phenomenon which has never gained real traction in Muslim societies.  Like other people, Muslims want a say in shaping the political life of their societies.  But they want the frame for participatory politics to be authentic—meaning, for most Muslims, grounded in Islam, not in alien notions of “separating religion and state.”  So far, only one political order in the Middle East is enjoying appreciable success in providing participatory Islamist governance to its people—the Islamic Republic of Iran.

The West cannot bring itself to admit this.  Looking at the coverage of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s successful prostate surgery in the western media, one cannot help but smile at the often twisted loathing directed towards him and the political order he leads.  The BBC, which is usually a bit more sophisticated than other western outlets in attempting to conceal its animosity, reporting on the surgery stated that his personal life is kept “a secret topic in Iran”; only the “critical situation in Iran and the region” forced him to be more open and announce the news of his operation.  In another report, the BBC implied that Ayatollah Khamenei is unpopular and that Iranians were critical about the high level of care provided to him in the hospital.

Inconsistent narrative

The fact that Ayatollah Khamenei was operated on in a public hospital and that an earlier operation in 1991 on his gall bladder was also publicly announced is inconsistent with the BBC narrative.  Likewise, the sheer number of people who have turned up (and continue to turn up) at his public appearances during his quarter-century as leader casts doubt that he and the Islamic Republic are anywhere near as unpopular as the BBC indicates.  That the Ayatollah’s wife, four sons, and two daughters are not celebrities, high ranking politicians, or involved in business may make his personal like seem a bit uneventful, but that does not make it a “secret topic,” just different from Western norms.

Western mythology notwithstanding, the reality is that, despite decades of irrational western hostility and violence, the Islamic Republic has indeed evolved into the region’s “island of stability,”  Ironically, this phrase was first used in a toast in Tehran by the former US President Jimmy Carter to describe a very different sort of Iran:  Iran, Carter said in 1978, “because of the great leadership of the Shah, is an island of stability in one of the more troubled areas of the world.”

A year later the shah fled the country, amid a popular revolution in which a key slogan was “Independence, Freedom, Islamic Republic.”

In recent years, other political figures in West Asia and North Africa considered “great leaders” in western eyes have met similar fates.  UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon once praised Tunisian dictator Zein El Abidine Ben Ali for the “progress” he had made in advancing prospects for Tunisia’s youth.  At the height of the January 2011 protests in Cairo, former British Prime Minister Tony Blair hailed Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak as “immensely courageous and a force for good.”

Popular demands for change have already brought down much of the Middle East’s older order, but there are few signs of anything more than a provisional, shaky stability.  Making matters worse, when client regimes began failing or showing serious instability, oil-rich monarchies, with western coordination and support, funded rebel groups in Libya and Syria, violating international law and dragging the Middle East towards further decline and collapse.

Of course, state-funded militancy is not a new phenomenon.  In the 1980s the United States cooperated with the Saudi and Pakistani governments to promote, train, and arm the mujahedeen “freedom fighters” to fight the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan.  During and after this struggle, a number of countries invested heavily in religious schools and other outlets across the Muslim world, spending billions of dollars each year to export an extremist ideology.

Powerful force

As a result—and with the West’s silent approval—this extremism has grown into a powerful force that casts its shadow upon many parts of the world.  After the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, which was supported by almost all regional states except Iran, funding from a number of these countries again flowed to extremist groups affiliated to al-Qaeda—this time in Iraq, to undermine the new Iraqi political order.

Events in Yemen, Bahrain, and Egypt underline that the remnants of the old order cannot last much longer.  However, what is currently on offer in the Arab world has so far brought neither great optimism nor social cohesion.  In Egypt, regardless of the legitimacy or illegitimacy of the July 2013 coup, the fact remains that the Muslim Brotherhood failed to develop a model of participatory politics capable of accommodating public needs in accordance with indigenous values.

The Brotherhood’s historic failure has helped fuel the rise of a takfiri (apostate) governance model.  This model has evolved from al-Qaeda to groups like al-Nusra Front, the Islamic Front in Syria, and ultimately the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).  The evolution reflects the ideology’s utilisation by western and regional countries for strategic purposes in countries like Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, and Syria.  Today, not only has ISIL turned into a global terrorist threat; it has become an existential threat to countries that have traditionally advocated its underlying ideology and are now a part of a new US-led coalition.

The single force that has blocked this emerging threat from imposing its hegemony from Damascus to Baghdad—perhaps even from Beirut to Riyadh—is the Islamic Republic of Iran.  Endless western attempts to destabilise the Iranian political model have ended in failure—and today, as a result of illegal western support for extremists in Syria and continued violation of its sovereignty, the Islamic Republic is now leading the region’s struggle against extremism and emerging global powers increasingly recognise this.

After Ayatollah Khamenei’s surgery was announced, life in Iran continued normally—not merely because the public was assured their leader was in excellent health, but also because an elected constitutional body, the Assembly of Experts, which is charged with electing the country’s highest authority, had already shown its effectiveness years ago by quickly and successfully choosing Ayatollah Khamenei to succeed Imam Khomeini as leader.

Western media outlets and human rights organisations would serve themselves better by toning down their unrelenting caricature of Iran, and by engaging in some self-reflection concerning their Syria narrative.  If they did, the West might even manage to get some better policies.


300 Responses to “Seyed Mohammad Marandi on the Islamic State, the United States, and the Islamic Republic of Iran”

  1. Fiorangela says:

    The Ugly American may use botox now, but he’s just as stupid.

    Seyed Hossein Mousavian discussed his book, Iran and the United States: An Insider’s View on the Failed Past and the Road to Peace, at the International Peace Institute last June.

    ~1:08 Jeff Laurenti spoke from the audience —

    — “You haven’t offered a word of gratitude to Bush for taking care of Iraq —getting rid of Saddam for Iran …

    — “You may exaggerate a bit the intentions of the U.S. to pull out of the region, which I haven’t seen signals of a wholesale flight yet …


    — ” It must be a blow to Iranian sense of importance that for all of the convulsions of Arab Spring and the rise of would-be Islamist democratic movements, nobody looks to the Islamic Republic of Iran as a Constitutional model for anybody in the Arab world, even for an Islamist democracy.

    Which then raises the question, What are the Iranian purposes in the broader region and what kind of influence does it really exert on any of the other countries other than through the couple of proxies — Hezbollah and Assad — to whom Iran has provided some very tangible and deliverable goals. And are those relationships a matter of conviction, either of Shi’ite loyalty, or are they simply expedient — you cut the right deal with Washington and you can cut them loose?”


    Huffington Post provided this background on Mr. Laurenti — www dot huffingtonpost dot com/jeffrey-laurenti/

    QUOTE: “Jeffrey Laurenti was senior fellow at The Century Foundation on international affairs for eight years, and served as director for TCF’s international task force on Afghanistan in its regional and multilateral dimensions and as co-director of TCF’s peace and security initiative with the Center for American Progress. He is the author of numerous monographs on subjects such as international peace and security, terrorism, U.N. reform, international law and justice, and other issues dealt with by the multilateral system. He was executive director of policy studies at the United Nations Association of the United States until 2003, and then served seven years on the association’s Board of Directors. He also served as deputy director of the United Nations Foundation’s United Nations and Global Security initiative, which provided inputs to the work on international security of the High-Level Panel on Threats, Challenges, and Change commissioned by U.N. secretary-general Kofi Annan. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He was candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from New Jersey in 1986, has advised several presidential campaigns, and from 1978 to 1984 was executive director of the New Jersey Senate. He has co-edited and contributed to Breaking the Nuclear Impasse: New Prospects for Security against Weapons Threats (2007) and Power and Superpower: Global Leadership and Exceptionalism in the 21st Century (2007) and his articles and analysis have appeared in the Christian Science Monitor, the Washington Post, the Chicago Tribune, the Los Angeles Times, and on National Public Radio, the BBC, France24, AlJazeera, Russia Today, and numerous other international media and policy journals. Graduated Phi Beta Kappa and magna cum laude in government from Harvard University, he earned his masters in public affairs from Princeton University’s Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs. He speaks Spanish, Italian, French, and Portuguese.” END QUOTE

    So his barbed questions of Dr. Mousavian must be firmly grounded on good evidence logically assessed, right?

    We report You decide.

  2. Rd. says:

    The O policy much about the same as the W policy;

    Step 1: Build up a dictator or extremist group which can then be used to wage proxy wars against opponents. During this stage any crimes committed by these proxies are swept under the rug. [Problem]

    Step 2: When these nasty characters have outlived their usefulness, that’s when it’s time to pull out all that dirt from under the rug and start publicizing it 24/7. This obviously works best when the public has no idea how these bad guys came to power.[Reaction]

    Step 3: Finally, when the public practically begging for the government to do something, a solution is proposed. Usually the solution involves military intervention, the loss of certain liberties, or both. [Solution]

  3. Karl.. says:

    Problem is no one raise this issue anymore.
    Leftists did it long time ago – not anymore, today whole west seems to be neoliberal and in some sense even neocon. Where will this land in 10-15 years?
    Quite troublng.

  4. Fiorangela says:

    Edward Luttwak on the strategy & tactics of coup d’etat

    from the Amazon blurb —

    “The coup is the most frequently attempted method of changing government, and the most successful. Coup d’État outlines the mechanism of the coup and analyzes the conditions—political, military, and social, that gives rise to it. In doing so, the book sheds much light on societies where power does indeed grow out of the barrel of a gun and the role [rule?] of law is a concept little understood.” [by whom? -ed]

    from the book —

    “APPENDIX A The Economics of Repression – You (edit | delete)
    “Once we have carried out our coup and established control over the bureaucracy and the armed forces, our long-term political survival will largely depend on our management of the problem of economic development. Economic development is generally regarded as a ‘good thing’ and almost everybody wants more of it but for us–the newly established government of X-land — pursuit of economic development will be undesirable, since it militates against our main goal: political stability.

    “An economy develops by extending and improving its stock of human and physical capital and this requires investment, whether to train people or to build factories. In order to invest, current income has to be withdrawn from would-be consumers and channelled away to create capital. Clearly, the higher the rate of investment the faster will be the development of the economy, but also the lower the PRESENT standard of living.

    “The governments of economically backward countries–where the need for development is manifest — are therefore faced with the alternative of either slow economic development or further reduction of the already desperately low standard of living. The more that can be taxed from current incomes, the nearer will be the beautiful dawn of prosperity — even if it is the prosperity of Spain or Greece rather than that of Western Europe or North America.

    “But there are limits to the amount of saving that can be forced out of a population whose annual income per head is already very low: there is an economic survival limit below which the population–or a large part of it — would simply starve (or retreat into the pure subsistence economy), but well before this point is reached, there is a political survival limit below which WE, as the government would be be overthrown. The economic survival limit is more or less rigid: in any particular environment with a given climate, pattern of nutrition, habits and traditions, there will be a minimum annual income which an inhabitant of average resourcefulness will need to satisfy his and his family’s bodily needs. [p. 175]

    “The ‘political survival limit’ is, however, very flexible and it will depend on psychological, historical and social factors, but also on the efficient of the system of state security and of the propaganda machine.”

    …. “Our basic problem, therefore, is to achieve economic development–in order to satisfy the aspirations of the ELITE and would-be ELITE — without taxing the masses beyond the politically safe limit, which could lead to their revolt.

    “There are two main instruments with which we can persuade the masses to accept the sacrifice of present consumption for the sake of an increased future income: propaganda and repression, or, more efficiently, by a mixture of both.”État-Practical-Edward-Luttwak/dp/0674175476/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1412778866&sr=1-1&keywords=edward+luttwak#

  5. Fiorangela says:

    Luttwak explains his theories on C Span, Aug. 1999 —

    “”AUGUST 24, 1999 International Economic Sanctions Mr. Luttwak talked about how and why the U.S. imposes economic sanctions on other countries. He also responded to viewer telephone calls, faxes and electronic mail.”

    Luttwak: QUOTE: “Economic sanctions are substitutions for things that we’d rather not do … [such as] the use of force . . . In some cases [economic sanctions are a substitute for] operational capabilities. ” For example, drug traders do not have corporate offices on Wall Street that we can target, so sanctions are a substitute for operational capabilities. US sanctions regarding drugs, including now marijuana, projects on the world our own neurotic attitude …

    “Other cases, like Iraq, sanctions have been terrifically useful. Iraq has been under sanctions for ten years, since 1990. … These ten years are those when nuclear material was easily obtainable in Russia . . . You could hire a Russian nuclear engineer very easily . . . The sanctions had the effect of drastically reducing the money available to Iraq. … So at the very time when Iraq was most dangerous, when the world situation was most conducive to them to behave dangerously by buying weapons … they were unable to do it. Iraq sanctions worked very well.

    “The claims that they are hurting children in Iraq, anybody who says that should be firmly shut down because … Iraq is getting a billion dollars a month from oil trade but has reduced its spending for nutritional supplements while it has built 16 new palaces since 1991 . …” END QUOTE

    In light of the news that USA is investing another trillion dollars in nuclear weapons & delivery systems (see www dot nytimes dot com/2014/09/22/us/us-ramping-up-major-renewal-in-nuclear-arms.html?emc=edit_th_20140922&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=60527570&_r=0 ), it is logical to expect that USA is the next nation to be targeted with sanctions.

    Back to the Luttwak interview:

    @ 5:53 Mod asks: “Who can the United States impose sanctions against — is it limited to nation-states?”

    Interesting question; note the underlying assumption: the US has the unquestionable RIGHT to impose sanctions; and as Luttwak’s answers will show, it can do so against anybody it wants, for whatever projected, pre-emptive, or even “neurotic” reasons.

  6. Fiorangela says:

    Did Israel Bomb Iran’s Parchin Nuclear Facility?

    “If you look at the damage portrayed in the photo, it appears there was extensive damage not in one specific location, but in two. They’re separated by enough distance to indicate that the explosion was more than an accident, but a deliberate act of sabotage.”

  7. Amir says:

    Fiorangela says:
    October 9, 2014 at 9:57 am
    It’s amusing how Parchin has become a “Nuclear” facility lately. Back in 1930s and 40s, Mauser Karbines were manufactured there…

  8. fyi says:


    An apologia for Sunni Arab states:

    It is worth reading – by Dr. Cordesman – it is largely accurate in my view although not complete (it does not mention the Axis Powers conspiracy to destroy Syria).

    I think it is also interesting that for the first time, Dr. Cordesman is acknowledging the increased power of Iran since 2003.

    Reading this document, it is also clear, in my opinion, that the United States lacks a solid foundation for strategic linkage with Arabs states.

  9. fyi says:


    Dr. Pollack, one of the cheerleaders for US war against Iraq, writes:

    “…That scenario [Building a Better Syrian Opposition
    Army] yields an average of $9 billion per year for 5 years.”

  10. Rehmat says:

    fyi – Brooking Institute is 101% Zionist Jewish organization. Every thing it reports about Islam, Muslims and the Middle East is nothing but pro-Israel filth.

    Here is truth about ISIS or ISIL from a Swedish Jewish writer and blogger Lasse Wilhelmson.

  11. Rehmat says:

    Between Sept. 29-Oct. 1, Tehran played host to the second New Horizon: the International Conference of Independent Thinkers. The conference was attended by 30 foreign scholars, thinkers, authors and human rights activists around the world. The first conference was held in 2012, which was addressed by then president of Iran Dr. Ahmadinejad.

    The conference is declared “anti-Israel”, and its participants being “anti-Semites, Holocaust deniers and 9/11 conspiracy theorists” by two powerful pro-Israel US Jewish organizations, the Anti-Defamation League and American Jewish Committee.

    “A disturbing new element in this anti-Jewish gathering is the appearance on the guest list of a few high-visibility US anti-war and anti-Israel activists who claim their positions are not motivated by anti-Semitism,” said Abraham H. Foxman, America’s highest-paid ($762,000 per year) lobbyist.

  12. fyi says:

    Rehmat says:

    October 9, 2014 at 11:58 am

    The point I was making was that Dr. Pollack has put a price tag of 45 billion dollars on creating a proto-state in Syria to oppose Mr. Assad’s government.

    I suppose the idea is that US would sell a subscription to others who can then contribute their own billions to destroy the Syrian Government.

    That is, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, France and others of the Coalition-of-the-Willing in EU, and still others will pay this money to destroy Syrian Arab Republic at some distant time in the future.

    Truly, we are in the Halls of the Mad King.

  13. fyi says:

    Rehmat says:

    October 9, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    I did not receive an invitation.

  14. Nasser says:

    Professor Bhadrakumar on Turkey’s designs on Syria and possible Iranian response

    – In addition to what the good ambassador suggested I believe if Turkey goes through with its plans, Iran should immediately cut off energy supplies to Turkey and then formally back an independent Kurdistan. I think the most important consequence of the Syrian civil war has been to turn Turkey into the Pakistan of the Mediterranean. As such I believe the strategic situation has gotten much more acute for Iran. Turkey is a NATO state that is backing fanatical Shia haters in the same manner Pakistan did with Taliban. And both these populous nuclear armed states bordering Iran to the West and East is backed by Arab money and American weapons and political support. Even discounting the threat posed to Iran from the West, Iran needs nuclear weapons now more than ever.

  15. kooshy says:

    Rd. says:
    October 8, 2014 at 11:06 am

    In my opinion fortunately and unfortunately the U.S. Is now at the stage that she only can exercise policies of desperation, meaning what ever policy she adopts and implement is due to desperation for saving/ maintaining/ gaining back to status quo. Policies adopted due to desperation, unfortunately at the end unpredictably will add to the presumed cost to and for both sides ( Ukraine, Egypt,Libya etc.). In my opinion this is a normal trajectory in a political downhill trend that US has placed herself in. Historically once superpowers ( empires) get to this stage there is a very little chance of getting out, or doing something or anything at all right like (USSR) post Afghanistan. At this stage events are predictable or can be managed.

  16. kooshy says:

    At this stage, events are no longer predictable or can be managed.

  17. Karl.. says:

    There are reports that some parts of پارچین has been bombed. Also photos give credibility to this. Anyone know anything about it?

  18. James Canning says:

    Routine defamation of Iran by western media, human rights orgs, etc, owes rather a lot to desire to “benefit” Israel.

  19. James Canning says:


    The primary impetus for effort to overthrow the Syrian government came from Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries. Not from Germany, or Britain, or the US for that matter. Key word here is “primary.

  20. James Canning says:


    The comments by Lord Richards in the Sunday Times Sept. 28th I took to mean he urges wariness about western military intervention in the Middle East based on “democracy promotion”. [from prior thread]

  21. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    October 10, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    Used to that sensible Englishmen of a certain social settings, would get a parsonage for their imbecile children.

    I guess now they are also sending them to be officers.

  22. kooshy says:

    After the recent events and complications in Kurdish parts of Syria and Iraq, it now clear as I have written here multiple times that Kurds have and can’t find no other friends or allies in the region except their culturally close kins in Iran. Historically and culturally they can’t and will not get along withe the Turks or the Arabs regardless of the religious sect since this is not and never was about the alliance of majority’ religion but rather is all about protecting minority’s identity and interests.
    Kurds and Azaries are truly a family part of Iranian nationality, nothing will ever change that

  23. Rehmat says:

    Venezuelan president Nicholas Maduro addressing the UN General Assembly last month pledged his solidarity with the “Axis of Resistance” (Iran, Syria, Hizbullah and Iraq), all victims of ISIS. “It’s president Bashar al-Assad and Syrian government which have stopped the terrorists.” Maduro also accused the US and its western allies for creating the ISIS or ISIL. He claimed that only Syrian, Iraqi armies and their regional allies (Iran and Hizbullah) can defeat the “western monsters”.

    Cuban leader, Fidel Castro congratulated Maduro, saying Hugo Chavez would be proud of his speech.

  24. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    October 10, 2014 at 1:17 pm
    Routine defamation of Iran by western media, human rights orgs, etc, owes rather a lot to desire to “benefit” Israel.

    As usual you are delusional.
    Just an arrogant and dub exceptionalist thinking to be beyond and above everyone else.
    While in truth you are only an Idiot.

    As an old saying on the wall of Berlin “You are free to be an Idiot and you are an idiot if you think you are free” (or something like that)

  25. Karl.. says:

    Does Iraq even have an army? This is quite ridiculous.

  26. Bussed-in Basiji says:


    The complete infiltration of German intelligence and media especially TV by American agents is known to everyone familiar with these matters.

    German intelligence and state TV were founded by CIA after WWII and are the least free and most ideologically indoctrinated sectors of German society.

    Watching German state television is an insult to the intelligence of any free-thinking person.

    The private stations complete the picture by focusing on yellow journalism and sex.

    The German media landscape is a disgrace as are the so-called “intellectuals” that run it.

  27. nico says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    October 11, 2014 at 5:27 am

    Unfortunately it is pretty much the same in almost any other country. Else they are dub tyranny.
    And then you have the FT “Best news paper in the world”

  28. Jay says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    October 11, 2014 at 5:27 am

    US and UK media sources are hardly different. It has been alleged that NSA and GCHQ have gone so far as having journalists on their “payroll” . The fact that journalists have an incestuous relationship with these western intelligence agencies is of course well known.

    For your entertainment, here is a recent list of US reporters with known CIA/NSA ties.

    former L.A. TImes reporter Tom Dinalian (now an AP reporter)
    CNN’s Barbara Starr
    Bret Baier of Fox News
    Dina Temple-Raston of NPR
    Brian Bennett of the L.A. Times
    David Ignatius of The Washington Post
    Matt Apuzzo of The New York Times
    Siobhan Gorman of The Wall Street Journal
    Adam Goldman of The Washington Post
    Scott Shane of The New York Times
    former L.A. Times reporter Robert Kaplan
    Thom Shanker of The New York Times
    Lesley Stahl of CBS News
    Andrew Sorkin of The New York Times
    Mark Moyar of The Wall Street Journal
    Lara Logan of CBS News
    Eric Schmitt of The New York Times
    Tom Ricks of
    S.A. Miller of The Washington Times
    formerWashington Post contributor Andrew Exum
    Dexter Filkins of The New Yorker
    Perry Bacon, Jr. of NBC News

  29. Castellio says:

    Can you source that list, Jay?

  30. Sammy says:

    Interesting to know that German state TV could force the Germans by law to pay an incredible amount of 11 billion $ in 2013 , that’s appr the entire GDP of Macedonia.

  31. James Canning says:


    British newspapers have much better reporting on Israel/Palestine, than American newspapers. For example, British newspapers printed stories from Syria, quoting Christian leaders there who said Syrian government protected their communities better than would obtain if a “democracy” were put in place. Such reports seldom got into US newspapers. Ditto on occupied Palestine, where British newspapers print stories quoting Christian leaders stating that Israeli occupation has been disastrous for their communities. US newspapers avoid such reporting.

  32. James Canning says:


    Provide an example of an English-language international newspaper you regard as more reliable than the Financial Times, for accuracy.

  33. James Canning says:


    You contend Western media reports that injure Iran’s reputation ARE NOT intended, often enough, to benefit Israel?

  34. James Canning says:


    As Britain’s top general, Lord Richards, said Gaddafi was not a proper military target. This is a comment by an “imbecile”, in your opinion? (David Cameron was unhappy with the general’s comment.)

  35. Rehmat says:

    In 2009, US president Barack Obama became the first world leader to receive Nobel peace prize without doing anything to reduce America’s deadly arms stockpiles for which Alfred Nobel had created the prize. The prize was awarded to Obama to set the groundwork for the Zionist poodle in the White House to wage new wars on Muslim countries for Israel.

    The 2014 Nobel Prize for Peace is awarded to a Pakistan-Afghan Zionist “child” creation Malala Yousafzai and Hindutva poster-boy from India, Kailash Satyarthi – not for campaigning against the imperialist powers (the US, Russia, Britain, China, India and Israel) but for fighting child slavery and illiteracy in Pakistan and India.

    In case the Nobel Peace Committee was so concerned about the child slavery, it should have awarded the prize to some American human rights activist for fighting child sex slavery in America or some Israeli Jew for doing something to stop Jewish rape culture in Israel. America is definitely the most ignorant Nation on Earth.

  36. Rehmat says:

    James Canning – I’m laughing, as usual, over your bigotry when it comes to Muslim history.

    French Jewish journalist and political activist, Bernard-Henri Levy, was the driving force behind the former French half-Jewish President Nicolas Sarkozy’s war on Libya to remove Qaddafi from power. Last November, speaking at the first national convention in Paris, organized by the French Israel Lobby, the Council of Jewish Organization of France, Levy boasted that he lead the anti-Qaddafi campaing because it was a Jewish thing to do.

  37. James Canning says:


    You should be aware I have said a number of times that Bernard-Henri Levy played a key role in bringing about Western military intervention in Libya.

    You think Gaddafi should have been a target, personally? Lord Richards opposed trying to kill him personally. That is the comment (to the BBC) that David Cameron found objectionable.

  38. James Canning says:


    And yes, Bernard-Henri Levy boasts of doing so much to bring about Western attack on Libyan forces. He has reason to take credit for the Western military intervention – – which I opposed.

  39. Jay says:

    Castellio says:
    October 11, 2014 at 11:38 am

    I had made the list when I read the source. I had to dig it up from my history. Here it is:

  40. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    October 11, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    I agree British newspapers are “better” in relative terms compared to the US. You have to ask yourself if being better than US journalism is good enough for you.

  41. Karl.. says:

    Would ISIS be able to penetrate into Iran or atleast cause some military attack by Iran? They seems to focused on Bagdad now, not long from iranian border.

  42. James Canning says:


    The Financial Times stresses factual accuracy more strongly than any other English-language newspaper, in my opinion. Being the best in the world obviously meets a high standard.

  43. James Canning says:

    “My own view is that a grand strategic understanding between the West and Iran is worth actively exploring.”
    – – Lord Richards, formerly Britain’s top general (quoted in The Times, London, Sept. 30th)

  44. kooshy says:

    Jay says:
    October 11, 2014 at 5:03 pm

    Jay in my opinion this list is too forgivingly optimistic and incomplete, there are many likes of David Sanger and Joby Warrick of WP who are not even on this list they are as close as any government’ official propaganda mouth piece / DC Bob as they can come. But in my opinion and based in my years of monitoring US media the more important security service approved and installed control ring are the few news bureau editors like the editors at AP,Reuters, and a few other western news agencies that are the news sources and publishers they are the one that control and editorialize and pass (allow) what and how news can be published in other word they are the pre screened approved news censors ( directors of “Dayereh Momayazi”) , I strongly believe no one can be hired for an editorial position in a major western news agency without a strong commitment to carry the water for US policies, politicians and political system. I actually for fact know that if you show too much commitment to constitutional rights you will not be hired.

  45. fyi says:

    Jay says:

    October 11, 2014 at 5:06 pm

    Most English people read what in US would be considered tabloids.

    Like the Wall Street Journal in US, the only national high-quality news paper in UK is the Financial.

    FT’s editorials are a bit saner than those of WSJ but both are expressing views of the imperialists.

    There is no equivalent of the Economist anywhere in North America or EU, or any where else.

  46. Jay says:

    kooshy says:
    October 11, 2014 at 7:29 pm


    I do not claim that the list is comprehensive or even representative.

    I posted the list because the recent FOIA removes speculation and conjecture – i.e. these folks are serving a bigger master. That is not to say that the master has a much bigger list of servers.

  47. M.Ali says:

    “There is no equivalent of the Economist anywhere in North America or EU, or any where else.”

    I read Donyaye Eghtesad every day.

  48. fyi says:


    I came across this document from 2005 that alludes to a threat by Israel to attack Iran by nuclear weapons.

  49. James Canning says:


    Chances Israel would attack Iran with nukes are near zero.

  50. Karl.. says:

    West keep fooling themselves, Iran should do this Iran should do that.

  51. James Canning says:


    Britain has a number of high-quality newspapers. The Times (London), Daily Telegraph, et al. Financial Times is the most rigorous regarding the facts, in my judgment.

  52. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    October 12, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    The fact remains that in 2005, Israel, non an NTP member, threatened an NPT member with attack with nuclear weapons.

    The response to such a threat should have been a threat by US, UK, France, China, and Russia that Israel would be attacked by nuclear weapons in retaliation.

    That is, a nuclear attack against Iran would be the last act of State of Israel.

    Such a threat of retaliation was never made.

    Americans killed NPT and the P5 buried it.

    You cannot make such threats with impunity and expect Iranians to live under the threat of annihilation.

  53. James Canning says:


    I think Iranian leaders see chances of an Israeli nuclear attack on Iran as very near zero. Such an attack would be insane, and Israel is not insane.

  54. Karl.. says:

    Now west must pay for Israeli bombardments

  55. James Canning says:


    P5+1 are trying to protect the NPT. Not the easiest thing to achieve, obviously.

  56. Raad says:

    James Canning – get real.

    Further to FYI – in 2005 Iran asked the E3 (Britain and France specifically) whether they would take off the table the threat of a nuclear attack against Iran in event of hostilities, if Iran mothballed its nuclear programme. Britain and France said they would not. Another nail in coffin of NPT.

    NPT is for show now – like all the other multilateral treaties of this nature it is an instrument of coersion for use by the West. Only birds believe in them these days.

  57. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    October 12, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    The EU stats, in the document to which I posted the URL, did not indicate any threat of retaliation against Israel.

    Iranian leaders faced the barrel of a gun and said: “Go ahead and shoot!.

    But the thread was made and was faced.

  58. Nasser says:


    Why not mention how the French President Chirac threatened to “raze Tehran”?

  59. Karl.. says:

    Pathetic but not surprising by the uk,
    Cameron wont support Palestine recognition resolution

  60. Ataune says:


    From the political perspective it’s not in the interests of Iran to appear, or to give the perception, of having breached the NPT. That’s why she has to play her hand really carefully in public. With this caveat though, I do agree with you that the overall goal of the American side, and by appendix UK, is to get rid of the NPT the way it is setup now.

  61. Rehmat says:

    Ataune – If Iran do “breach the NPT” requirements as seen by the Zionist mafia, it wouldn’t be the first country to do that. In the past Brazil, South Africa, Israel, N. Korea, India and Pakistan had “committed that crime”.

  62. Rehmat says:

    The Jewish media and pro-Israel US lawmakers have been beating their chests to make the world believe that ISIL without airpower and naval force has become world’s most powerful “jihadi” force. So much so, that even world’s “sole superpower” needs NATO and other military forces to defeat ISIS. Iranian president Sheikh Hassan Rouhani said recently that if the western governments and their regional allies stop arming ISIS, Syria, Iraq and Hizbullah has enough military muscles to defeat this anti-Islam monster.

    Canadian Israel-First prime minister Stephen Harper has just announced to join the US military coalition to defend Israel from its regional enemies. He has donated six CF-18 fighter planes to kill anti-Israel Iraqi and Syrian forces fighting ISIS.

  63. James Canning says:


    Are you claiming Canada intends to attack forces of the Iraqi government?

  64. James Canning says:


    I very much doubt that Iranian leaders saw an Israeli nuclear attack on Iran as having any likelihood whatever. I am confident they could easily see this would be an act of true insanity by Israel, and they know Israel is not insane. (In fact, Israel is better able to grow the illegal colonies in occupied West Bank, due to the nuclear dispute with Iran.)

  65. Ataune says:


    “In fact, Israel is better able to grow the illegal colonies in occupied West Bank, due to the nuclear dispute with Iran”

    This is a pretty lame excuse to promote acts that are considered illegal by the UN. These acts are outside the laws of the civilized men. Full stop. Do you agree with that?

  66. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    October 13, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    And the late Saddam Hussein also counted on the rationality of US leaders and did not expect them to decide on the truly revolutionary course of destroying the Ba’ath state in Iraq.

    He was proven wrong.

    There are very many acts of insanity in the world history; such the actions of the Khwarazmian Dynasty against Mongols, the 2 invasions of Russia, first by France and later by Germany etc.

    A military planner should not assume the other side’s rationality even unto death.

  67. James Canning says:


    Saddam Hussein had every reason to know that people closely connected to Israel, in the US, wanted to destroy the Iraqi government. He had reason to know some of these people expected to gain great wealth by ensuring a Shia government controlled the country after Saddam was overthrown.

  68. James Canning says:


    I condemn Israel’s illegal colonization programme in the occupied West Bank, time and time again.

    There is no doubt Israel’s illegal programme is aided, unintentionally, by Iran, due to the nuclear dispute.

  69. James Canning says:


    Israel does not use Iran as an “excuse” to grow its illegal colonies; rather, attention that otherwise would be focused on the problem of the illegal colonies, is instead diverted toward Iran

  70. Ataune says:


    “rather, attention that otherwise would be focused on the problem of the illegal colonies, is instead diverted toward Iran”

    But aren’t you doing exactly the same thing in this forum ? You just said that you consider Israel’s actions as being un-civilized and illegal, but instead of condemning the culprit, in every available forum – this one among others, you just point to the dubious fact that Israel is helped by Iran’s actions. Israel’s problem is not what policy this or that particular country in the region is implementing but if the political entity is or is becoming powerful enough to counter her oversized ego and reach. Iran is historically and culturally one of the main actors in the region, Israel, at least in her oversized over-militarized form is not. Do you disagree with that ?

  71. James Canning says:


    Iran would be much richer and much more powerful today, if it had avoided the nuclear dispute.

    Regrettable aspect of that dispute has been to facilitate the illegal colonisation programme of Israel in the West Bank. That this is what obtains cannot be disputed, in my judgment.

  72. Ataune says:


    I think you forget that Iran went, and still going now, this route [of “avoiding nuclear dispute”] in 2003 and even before, but was rebuffed by the US and cohorts. At the time, Iran was giving-up much more than now and under Rouhani as the lead negotiator was ready to accept only a handful of research related IR1 centrifuges, with Fordow not even being in the picture. So here again, like the Israeli dossier, the blame looks to be on the shoulders of the “West”, while you continue to point towards the wrong direction.

  73. fyi says:

    Ataune says:

    October 13, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    Fundamentally, he expects P5+1 to prevail due to great strategic asymmetry between them on and Iran.

    Since, in his view, Iranian defeat is inevitable, it follows that the sooner Iranians surrender the better off they would be.

    That view is almost certainly shared by planners and leaders among Axis Powers, if not Russia, and China.

    India almost certainly shared that view.

    But Iran has not yielded and the P5+1 and India have paid too high a price during this struggle to end it; they have dug a hole for themselves and cannot get out.

    Tactically, Iran has many choices.

    For example, Iran could make an informal deal with ISIS and not interfere with it as it destroys Jordan, and Persian Gulf Arab government including Saudi Arabia.

    That would tie Axis Powers for 20 years or so on the Arabian Peninsula.

    Likewise, Iran could make a deal with Taliban….

  74. Karl.. says:

    10:42 PM
    Saudi FM says Iran must pull its “occupying forces” from Syria, Iraq, Yemen (AP)

    Should one cry or laugh, Saudi king could travel to Teheran and say that face to face, lets see if he dares to do that.

  75. James Canning says:


    I prefer an Iran richer and stronger, not a “defeated” Iran. Notion that resolving nuclear dispute would be tantamount to “defeat” in my view is risible.

  76. James Canning says:


    An Iranian deal during the disastrous administrations of George W. Bush was unlikely. Dick Cheney did not want a deal, and Dick Cheney was in a position to prevent a deal.

    I think Iran, sadly, has dug a deep hole and as a political matter cannot get out of it.

  77. James Canning says:


    The Moron in the White House blundered badly in many ways. I have pointed this put numerous times. (I refer to GW Bush.)

  78. Rd. says:

    Jay says:

    “US and UK media sources are hardly different. It has been alleged that NSA and GCHQ have gone so far as having journalists on their “payroll” .

    Lesley Stahl of CBS News”

    Ironic, apparently (i didn’t watch it) stahl was interviewing Hayden re a informant journalist (propaganlist) James risen about some leaked info!!
    guess there must some factional infighting amongst the regime in DC!!

  79. Rd. says:

    from iran matters

    “Second, I perceived the Iranians to be very confident about their rising power and regional standing, and there was no sense of urgency or need to compromise and resolve the nuclear standoff. They believed to have gained much from the regional turmoil, including in Syria and recently in Iraq with the rise of ISIS. This perception was particularly striking during my discussions with leading conservative figures of the state. Most elites also discussed the sanctions as an opportunity and divine gift for economic development and self-sufficiency—a threat that could be handled and overcome. The main difference between moderates and hardliners was that the latter were more skeptical of the utility of nuclear negotiations and the benefit of cooperating with the United States on regional matters.”

  80. Ataune says:


    You are talking strategy here. I was rather on political tactics.

    One way of not loosing advantage in politics when resorting to illegal and/or illegitimate political acts (Israeli bombardment of civilians in Gaza, US sanctions against Iran etc…) is by playing the perception side, dressing up those acts as a natural consequences of the initial wrong-doing by the adversary. Israel for example always do this when bombing civilian in the Palestinian area (“Hamas is hiding behind civilians so we had to do this” excuse etc…). And our fiend Caning is most likely taking cue from them when expressing his takes on Iranian nuclear dossier, Palestinian problem or Syrian crisis.

    Strategically, I believe we are still in a period when the political space is open (and has even opened-up more) on several fronts for Iran. Middle-east, obviously not one of those, still remains an imbroglio for all sides with a tiny little advantage to Iran. Tactically speaking, playing the Russian and Chinese cards, and even the Indian one, given the not so successful Modi trip to DC, is a completely doable task for Iran. On the other hand, “ISIS” presents a huge risk. Even if the natural direction of ISIS-like movement is presumed to be towards Jordan and Arabia, Iran shouldn’t interfere with it in any way other than helping push her back from her allies territory. One main reason is that the overall projected strategy for Iran has always been respect for the independence and political choices of the nations in the region. I further believe that more than a genuine political leaders for the direction of the wishes and desires of the local population these groups are instruments and tools, thus as soon as their logistic and money supply peters out they will disappear. Taliban can be put in the same category of groups requiring the same kind of response, even though I think they possess a genuine political representation in the South Afghanistan. (which means that ISI has done a much smarter job than their SA counterpart)

    Generally speaking, the current political situation in the region is the result of a “triangularisation” tactic devised by the “West” rapidly becoming an unsuccessful one. Therefore moving to any of the corners of this triangle other than the one you are sitting at is not advantageous since the primary objective is to debase your ideology from your corner.

  81. Ataune says:


    You said:
    “Iran would be much richer and much more powerful today, if it had avoided the nuclear dispute.”

    And then almost immediately after you said:
    “An Iranian deal during the disastrous administrations of George W. Bush was unlikely. Dick Cheney did not want a deal, and Dick Cheney was in a position to prevent a deal.”

    Can you explain me then how Iran under Ahmadinejad, or currently, would have been able to make a deal with the US? giving that even a supposedly “radical” like him in his first speech in the UN went well above Iranian obligations under NPT and the previous government commitments by proposing a direct control by the US companies (therefore the US) on Iranian Uranium enrichment.

    And besides, the person you call the “moron in the white house” was leading the overall US policy towards Iran. Although he was doing it with an aggressive posture, the direction he and his VP were taking the country was a “product of the laws” not the other way around, unless you claim that the US was having a dictator on her helm. (Although I should add that these policies really helped Iran solidify her strategic position in the Middle-East.)

  82. fyi says:

    Ataune says:

    October 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    I believe that there are 2 states in the Middle East that are immune to ISIS threat; Iran and Israel.

    Sometimes, in business and is politics, one has to let things decline before they become better.

    The Shia Crescent could endure in its territory (albeit de facto diminished) while its enemies are harmed by ISIS.

    I do not see any better course for Iran.

    Generally, people get exhausted with war after 6 years – in 2020 we should expect the beginnings of feeler for Peace and the beginnings of a settlement by 2022.

    As you have observed, Americans, Europeans, and their Arab allies are still not ready to settle with Iran and the Shia Crescent.

    And Iranians are not ready to surrender or give up on their allies.

    These wars will go on – yesterday Mosul, tomorrow Amman, and the day after Riyadh.

    I agree with you also that there is no margin for the Shia Crescent to try to reclaim Mosul; for example. It is best to reach an informal agreement with ISIS and let the instigators of the current catastrophe live with its consequences.

  83. kooshy says:

    James Canning says:
    October 13, 2014 at 4:19 pm
    “I prefer an Iran richer and stronger, not a “defeated” Iran.”

    GAV James

    Knowing how much Brits love Iran, if I were you I wouldn’t be much worried for Iran to be defrayed, that’s not going to happen anytime soon, as an Iranian, knowing Iran well, I don’t see Iran can or will be defeated, on the contrary if I were a Brit I would be more worried for UK and EU since they are clients of a declining power you know when hard times come, the first wastes to be flushed out are the disposable burdens. On the contrary for fact you know Iran is independent standing on her own she has endured over majority of the planet by couple of more millenniums, so I don’t see they are going anywhere anytime soon since they don’t relay on a anybody for anything.

  84. Jay says:

    Rd. says:
    October 13, 2014 at 4:31 pm


    Of course, there are always solitary individuals, either motivated by egalitarian reasons or otherwise, who object to the shenanigans entertained by the CIA and GCHQ masters. In the end, when no independent balancing force is present, the trajectory of decay continues. Just a few weeks ago the world was told by Mr. Paneta and Mrs. Clinton, as well as this administration’s spokesperson that Americans should prepare for 30 or more years of war. Not a soul noticed that. There was no headlines. It appeared in some column, or on the front page of some do-gooder journal that hardly anyone reads.

    I have come to conclude that the vast majority of American and British journalists that work for major outlets, either work for the master, or look the other way, as the power hungry folks prepare the public for the long war.

    Nothing is inevitable. But all it takes is a Bush and Blair to start a war and kill millions while their agents fill the front pages with “mission accomplished” and “al Qaeda coming”. You have people like James here who would really like to be able to say that they have real journalism over there in the British-lands. But from his responses you can see that he has already settled for a thin veneer of journalism.

  85. M.Ali says:

    James Canning, whenever you hear a rape report in the news, do you shake your head and go, “tsk tsk she could have avoided it if she wasn’t flirting with them”?

  86. Rd. says:

    James Canning says:

    “The Moron in the White House blundered badly in many ways. I have pointed this put numerous times. (I refer to GW Bush.)”

    very true.. can you now please enlighten us about the ‘moron’ in that No 10 downing and/or in that buking place that blundered and brought the british empire down on its knees? that might help to better educate the ‘US’ audience about the perils of empire-dome!!!!

  87. fyi says:


    Dr. Hunter on US policy towards Iran since 1991.

    That policy has not changed; even now.

  88. James Canning says:

    The Russian ambassador to Britain, Alexander Yakovenko, has some pertinent observations in his letter to the Financial Times today: “EU made a blunder of immense proportions over Ukraine”.

  89. James Canning says:


    Obama was sincere in early 2009, regarding his wish to improve America’s relations with Iran. “Reformers” in Iran did a great deal to prevent this from taking place.

  90. James Canning says:


    Are you asking a question about David Cameron? Or Tony Blair? Blair clearly helped to manipulate the Moron in the White House, to bring about foolish US invasion of Iraq in 2003. Blair, however, saw this as a necessary step in order to get Bush to back Blair’s wish to resolve the Israel/Palestine problem.

  91. James Canning says:

    M. Ali,

    Are you arguing that a richer and stronger Iran will have been “raped”? Raped by whom?

  92. James Canning says:

    Writing in a letter to the Financial Times today, Roger Tomkys (British ambassador to Syria 1984-86) observes correctly: “The Arab/Israel conflict has not caused all today’s disasters, but it has made everything worse. . .”

  93. James Canning says:


    The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, and other American newspapers have a great deal of excellent reporting. However, the Israel/Palestine problem inevitably does not receive the same degree of accurate, balanced reporting, that one often sees in British newspapers.

  94. James Canning says:

    The Russian ambassador to Britain says Sir John Sawers (head of MI-6) was “wisdom incarnate” in his observations about revolutionary change, that appeared in the Financial Times September 20th. I made the same point weeks ago.

  95. M.Ali says:

    James, you didn’t answer my question.

  96. James Canning says:

    M. Ali,

    I challenged your contention that Iran’s making a deal with P5+1 is tantamount to experiencing a “rape”. I think the analogy is seriously flawed. Would the German Empire have been “raped” if it had sensibly avoided building the useless High Seas fleet in the years leading up to outbreak of First World War in 1914?

  97. M.Ali says:

    Where did I say that “Iran’s making a deal with P5+1 is tantamount to experiencing a “rape”.”?

    That is why you have a problem with debates. You make a lot of assumptions and then debate those assumptions, and then wonder why you are walking lost in the streets at night with your underwear on your head..

  98. Jay says:

    Rd. says:
    October 14, 2014 at 10:54 am
    M.Ali says:
    October 14, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    James suffers from secondary delusions. In his world Tony Blair agrees to an illegal invasion, death and mayhem, in order to entertain the possibility of death and mayhem elsewhere! In his world, you sign away your rights in the hopes of getting rich.

    In James’ world you quote Roger Tomkys, a current nobody, but you ignore Andrew Nikolic, a member of the powerful parliamentary joint committee on intelligence and security, who says:

    “They include the maverick trifecta of Iran, Russia and North Korea. Unlike Isil, each of those international ‘problem-states’ comes disproportionately better armed, including a ready-made or emerging nuclear capability, accompanied by an unpredictable senior leadership.”

    James cannot step outside of his delusions and see that his beloved Britain has signed up to the 30 years of war the US is planning. If he did, PUFF! His world would collapse.

    So it is best to leave him undisturbed!!

  99. BiBiJon says:

    Someone has to tell Obama …

    Sir, (P)GCC sheikdoms, the apartheid pipsqueak, and nowadays even Turkey have all gone off the deep end opposing the US’ policies because you’ve started negotiating with Iran. In short your allies are feeling very little fear (of you).

    If US-Iran negotiations fail despite all your secret meetings behind your allies’ backs, their respect for you will follow the trend of their fear of you.

    Sir, if you want to re-instill a healthy dose of respect (and fear) in your allies, finalize the Iran deal, and fast-track the rapprochement. Now more than ever you’ll need a viable alternative to show your allies you have a choice for allegiances.

    Book yourself a trip to Iran with NYTIMES.

  100. Rehmat says:

    American Jew author, public speaker and feminist activist Naomi Wolf has come under organized Jewry’s knife once again for not believing in the “beheading videos” (here and here) released by the USrael created ISIS.

    “It takes five people to stage an event like this – two to be ‘parents’,- two to pose for the camera, one in ninja outfit and one to contact the media that doesn’t bother checking who ANY of these four other people are …,” Wolf wrote on his Facebook page.

  101. Rehmat says:

    On Monday, the Zionist regime receive shocking news that its Zionist dogs in the British House of Common failed to stop a YES majority vote in favor of recognizing an independent state of Palestine bordering Israel.

    Netanyahu and Israeli embassy in London had warned prime minister David Cameron and the HM opposition leader Ed Miliband against giving recognition to Palestinian state. In spite British Jewish groups lobbying British MPs voted in favor of the motion with a majority of 274 to 12 with many Tories abstaining after a six-hour debate.

    A spokesperson for the UK’s prime minister David Cameron clarified ahead of the vote that when it comes to Israel, the parliament decision would not affect London’s relations with Tel Aviv. Cameron told reporters that he intends to abstain the vote.

    The Israeli Foreign Ministry said on Tuesday that the vote in favor of recognizing Palestine as a state risks undermining efforts for what it called “real peace with Palestinians.”

    Meanwhile, Britain’s Ambassador to Israel, Matthew Gould, an Israeli smoking gun against Iran, said public sentiment in the UK and around the world has shifted against Israel following its recent 50-day onslaught on the Gaza Strip.

    The British envoy said the parliamentary vote in favor of Palestinian statehood was “significant” because it reveals negative attitudes toward the Zionist regime.

    The UK majority vote is shocking to anyone aware of British political landscape. It’s no different than the Organized Jewry’s corrupted political process in the US, Canada, Australia, France and Germany. UK’s all four political parties, the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats and the UKIP are controlled by the country’s powerful “Jewish Lobby”. During the Palestinian statehood debate, Conservative MP Andrew Bridgen confirmed the power of the “Jewish Lobby”, saying: “The political system of the world’s superpower and our great ally the United States is very susceptible to well-funded powerful lobbying groups and the power of the Jewish lobby in America.”

    Earlier hundreds of Israeli notables including Nobel Prize laureate Prof. Daniel Kahneman, former Meretz ministers Ran Cohen and Yossi Sarid, four former MKs, six winners of the Israeli Prize and the former attorney-general Michael Ben Yair in a letter urged British MPs to vote in favor of Palestinian statehood.

    However, now more and more Europeans are reaching the conclusion that their governments are using their military muscles not to defend national borders but the Zionist entity created by the western powers in the Arab heartland.

    I believe it’s a great victory for Hamas. Britain now becomes the second European Union member to make the rightful decision after the recent decision by Sweden.

  102. Nasser says:

    The Saker posted a video of a Russian Talk Show and it was really good. And it contained so much humor and emotion that I was never bored or tired despite the length of the video.

  103. Empty says:

    Great link Nasser posted. More than a few gems in it:

    1. “The Americans even appear to be intent on telling the penguins in the arctic how to live, how to vote, and whether or not discriminate against seals. They come and say, ‘you’ve voted the wrong penguin, and so we’ve come to the Antarctic to restore order.”

    2. “Therefore, it is necessary for them to destroy every other economic system so that their miserable system, when set against the others, resembles manna from heaven.”

    This one was awesomely acted out by the moderator:

    3. “This remind me of the command: ‘Russians, withdraw your armed forces from Ukraine.’ We tell them we have not deployed them there. They say that this is irrelevant. Withdraw your forces. We say again, they are not deployed. Eventually, some unknown, drunken, retired colonel writes: ‘well, it looks like the Russian troops have withdrawn.'”

    There is more but this is enough of a sample for taste.

  104. masoud says:

    Just in case anyone had any doubts that pjak and other assorted ‘kurdish independence’ groups were the instrument of Turkey, here is the proof:

    In the interview, the head of this group is saying they will simply disregard and ignore Iraq’s request that it stop attacking Iran and using KRG as staging grounds for this purpose, and goes on to criticize the PKK operating in Turkey for trying to cross the border and break the siege of Kobani, as it might ‘upset regional sensitivities’. It’s simply incredible.

  105. Karl.. says:


    Actually Britain nor Sweden have recognized Palestine at this moment. Sweden delay the recognition and Britain’s vote was just a proposal for the UK gov.

  106. fyi says:

    masoud says:

    October 15, 2014 at 1:55 am

    Kurds, once again and on the field of battle proved that they cannot be independent.

    I mean, let us face it, they ran away from ISIS in Iraqi Kurdistan….

  107. James Canning says:


    The head of MI-6 told the Financial Times recently that revolutions in Muslim countries usually are not a good thing for the West.

  108. James Canning says:

    Nicholas Soames, grandson of Winston Churchill, has strongly endorsed recognition of Palestine.

  109. James Canning says:


    You appear to object to Tony Blair’s wish to obtain George W. Bush’s backing for his effort to get the Israel/Palestine problem resolved. Correct?

  110. James Canning says:


    Andrew Nicolic, the Serbian-Australian politician?

  111. James Canning says:

    M. Ali,

    Your reference to “rape” was replete with ambiguities. Does an ambitious girl who beds a stranger who appears to be rich and generous, experience “rape” if that person does not commence a long-term relationship after the brief encounter?

  112. James Canning says:

    M. Ali,

    I take it you concede the German Empire would not have experienced “rape” if it had avoided building the useless High Seas fleet in the years leading up to the First World War. Sensible national security decisions do not necessarily constitute “rape”.

  113. Ataune says:


    “You appear to object to Tony Blair’s wish to obtain George W. Bush’s backing for his effort to get the Israel/Palestine problem resolved”

    I have lots of “wishes” to and nobody objects to them simply because I’m wise enough not to express them publicly. But Blair is a politician and the yardstick to measure his moral is his political actions. So, please provide us one occasion when Blair, after his tenure as PM, acted politically against illegal housing construction in Palestine by the Israeli authorities. Just one example will suffice.

  114. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    October 15, 2014 at 1:03 pm


    you appear to be endorsing acts of mass killing to obtain Bush’s backing?

  115. Rehmat says:

    Americans, Latino, Italian and LGBT communities celebrated the annual Columbus Day on the second Monday of October. However, for centuries, these idiots did not know that they had been celebrating one of many Jewish achievements.

    On May 24, 2012, Charles Garcia, Jewish CEO of Garcia Trujillo, in a CNN Op-Ed claimed that Christopher Columbus (Cristóbal Colón in Spanish) was a secret Jew whose 1492 voyage was funded by a couple of rich Jews and not by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella as the Christian historian want the world to believe.

    Garcia also claimed that Columbus voyage was not meant to reach the spice-rich India but to liberate Jerusalem from Muslims.

    Well, readers would be glad to know that Charles Garcia is not the only stupid Zionist Jew.

    On October 13, 2014, Rachel Delia Benaim, posted an “investigative article” at the Jewish Daily Forward, entitled ‘Why Columbus Day Should Be a Jewish Holiday?‘. She answered her own question by saying: “Because Christopher Columbus was Jewish – and Jews cannot be mass murderers.

    Hilariously, Benaim posted photos of Columbus and Theodor Herzl on top of her post while claiming their “resemblance”.

    After making the usual idiotic Zionist propaganda crap to prove Columbus Jewish heritage, Benaim concluded her post, by saying: “So, even though Americans are over Columbus Day – he didn’t really discover America, and his expedition brought nothing but misfortune and suffering to the indigenous Americans – Jews shouldn’t be. After all, if you reframe Columbus not to see him a brutal colonialist, but a visionary looking for a safe home for Jewish people, he’s not all that ideologically different from Herzl and Israel’s founding father, is he?“.

    Only some bigot Jew will believe that Theodor Herzl was not only a colonist but even believed in genocide of the indigenous Palestinians.

    “We will spirit the penniless people across the border by denying it employment. Both the process of expropriation (theft of land) and the removal (ethnic-cleaning) of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly,” said Herzl over 50 year before the so-called SIX MILLION myth. Read more on Zionist barbaric ideology here.

    Professor S. Federick Starr (Johns Hopkins University) in 2013 article, entitled, ‘So, Who Did Discover America?‘, claimed Muslim scholar and adventurer, Abu Raihan al-Biruni (born 973) discovered Americas centuries before Columbus without sailing to that part of the world.

    Dr. Garikai Chengu (Harvard) claimed in 2012 that it were Africans who brought civilization to America.

    Read my earlier post, entitled ‘Who discovered America before Columbus’ here.

  116. James Canning says:


    No; I fact, I have said many times Blair blundered badly by backing idiotic US invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    But Blair was quite right to argue that resolution of Israel/Palestine problem was essential. GW Bush wanted to ignore it.

  117. James Canning says:


    My opinion is that Blair does very little to impede expansion of illegal colonies of Jews in the occupied West Bank.

  118. Nasser says:

    Stratfor assesses that lower oil prices allows the West to further pressure Russia, Iran and Venezuela; and the Saudi role in all this

  119. Rd. says:

    James Canning says:

    “No; I fact, I have said many times Blair blundered badly by backing idiotic US invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    But Blair was quite right to argue that resolution of Israel/Palestine problem was essential. GW Bush wanted to ignore it.”

    You seem to suggest Blair and great britain are nothing but p[odl;es

  120. Rd. says:

    James Canning says:

    “No; I fact, I have said many times Blair blundered badly by backing idiotic US invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    But Blair was quite right to argue that resolution of Israel/Palestine problem was essential. GW Bush wanted to ignore it.”

    You seem to suggest Blair and great britain are nothing but puddles to US diktat! of course you are correct for once!

  121. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    October 15, 2014 at 3:25 pm


    So Blair was right in backing the war (to get Bush to deal with the Palestinian issue), but he blundered in backing the war?!

    Huh?!! Pretzel logic much?

  122. Cyrus_2 says:

    @ Nasser

    Stratfor didn’t mention that lower oil proces will hurt the booming shale oil industry in the US as well.

    But that is nothing compared to the no bid market the (very, very levered) shale companies will find themselves in if and when, for whatever reason, Brent drops below $85 to a price where only Qatar is profitable on the global Brent cost curve.

    So while we understand if Saudi Arabia is employing a dumping strategy to punish the Kremlin as per the “deal” with Obama’s White House, very soon there will be a very vocal, very insolvent and very domestic shale community demanding answers from the Obama administration, as once again the “costs” meant to punish Russia end up crippling the only truly viable industry under the current presidency.

    As a reminder, the last time Obama threatened Russia with “costs”, he sent Europe into a triple-dip recession.

    It would truly be the crowning achievement of Obama’s career if, amazingly, he manages to bankrupt the US shale “miracle” next.

  123. James Canning says:


    I have said many times Blair did great harm by his backing of the idiotic US invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    But Blair was right to say Israel/Palestine issue needed to be resolved. You contend to the contrary?

  124. James Canning says:


    Britain refused to back the ill-considered US war in Vietnam, back in the 1960s. Britain tried to force Israel out of the territories occupied in 1967 war.

    I strongly opposed the US invasion of Iraq, and British backing of that invasion.

  125. kooshy says:

    Cyrus_2 says:
    October 15, 2014 at 5:45 pm

    “Stratfor didn’t mention that lower oil proces will hurt the booming shale oil industry in the US as well”

    The way I understand Shale and Tar oil for most part are government tax subsidized, even with various government subsidization the extraction and recovery cost alone is way over $100/ pb . Never less in this new oil war KSA is the first to get and feel the pain since they are a single product country and produce zero other thing not even their own food.

    Less income means less spending for everyone including KSA specially when dollars become more expensive to get for oil only producers.

  126. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    October 15, 2014 at 6:30 pm

    Even if one accepts your assertion (without evidence) about Blair’s motive, you appear to content that it is permissible to collude in murder of one in order to possibly save another?

    You are faced with the inescapable – the apparent moral quagmire Mr. Blair found himself in was never to be had he simply recognized that pledging allegiance to a murderous gang is never the “right” thing to do!

  127. Nasser says:

    – The comments section, not the article. The way the commentator superalien4peace crushes the arguments of the other idiot with the Call of Duty Avatar reminds me of Mr. Smith :)

  128. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Hey, looks like arming “rebels” rarely works according to their own findings.

    This begs the question why the hell they kept/keep doing it, right?

    C.I.A. Study of Covert Aid Fueled Skepticism About Helping Syrian Rebels

  129. BiBiJon says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    October 16, 2014 at 7:56 am

    There was a time when making mistakes (repeatedly) amounted to a rounding error given the economic size, power and influence of US compared to any collection of other nations on the planet. That time has now passed by. Whether one sees it in terms other nations rising, US declining, or both, today’s mistakes are policies of desperation. Throwing wild, albeit powerful, punches that you already know will miss the target at a time when you cannot afford it, can only be described as flailing in the dark. Dear US, Open your eyes, and it won’t be dark any more.

    US has a chance to settle with Iran and put its Mid East policies on a constructive trajectory. US is hanging on to old allies/clients out of fear that they might stab her in the back far more painfully than they are currently slapping her in the face. Hardly a basis for a relationship!

    As James A. Russell concludes: “Perhaps we might have better fortunes in the long run in building a more integrated and peaceful regional order with other states [i.e. Iran]. Anything would be an improvement over what we have now.”

  130. fyi says:

    BiBiJon says:

    October 16, 2014 at 8:47 am

    Zero chance of strategic settlement with Iran; certainly not under this US President.

  131. BiBiJon says:

    fyi says:
    October 16, 2014 at 9:54 am

    I agree there will be “Zero chance of strategic settlement with Iran” if the current opportunity is missed. After that, as you’ve often said, it will be left to future (2 or 3) generations.

    But, right now, we have a fairly accommodating executive in Iran at the same time as Turkey is starting up a civil war with Kurds, and GCC states competing with Netaniyahu in frustrating/humiliating/blackmailing the US. I see three choices for the US:

    1) Appease the blackmailers and attack Iran and hope that is appeasement enough.
    2) Exit the Mid East
    3) Settle with Iran

    For US’ sakes, I hope they will go for option 3.

  132. kooshy says:

    BiBiJon says:
    October 16, 2014 at 8:47 am

    “There was a time when making mistakes (repeatedly) amounted to a rounding error given the economic size, power and influence of US compared to any collection of other nations on the planet. That time has now passed by. Whether one sees it in terms other nations rising, US declining, or both, today’s mistakes are policies of desperation. Throwing wild, albeit powerful, punches that you already know will miss the target at a time when you cannot afford it, can only be described as flailing in the dark. “

    Very well said

    “Dear US, Open your eyes, and it won’t be dark anymore.”

    IMO Not only this will not happen, but history is evidence that Empires (Supper Powers) will play to the end (UK, Spain), this is since all empires think of course correction (trajectory change) it equates to the end of empire (USSR), they are right for that reason US policy makers planers have no choice and no way out. In my opinion the only chance for US to break away was at the end of cold war, unfortunately they misunderstood the global demand for ending the cold war, they thought the end of cold war was due to world’s demand for more hegemonic Americanism. Unfortunately we will have to play to the end.

  133. BiBiJon says:

    kooshy says:
    October 16, 2014 at 10:30 am

    I think one of the lessons to learn for future empires is to be careful working for the demise of competing empires. You see, USSR dumped all her client states on uncle Sam’s lap. Before the victory celebration was over, it turns out a couple of enemies is cheaper to handle, than this many new “friends.”

  134. fyi says:

    BiBiJon says:

    October 16, 2014 at 10:19 am

    There is a fourth choice: “Continue doing what you are doing currently.”

    This is what US will do.

  135. BiBiJon says:

    fyi says:
    October 16, 2014 at 10:42 am

    Yes, in other words status quo. Except that status quo is too fluid, unpredictable and, so far, has yielded nothing positive side of the ledger. I guess this is Kooshy’s point also that US has no choice but to wound herself until the bitter end.

  136. Jay says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    October 16, 2014 at 7:56 am

    One could read this reporting by NYT as a CYA operation by the CIA!! Because by the time this report was generated, CIA was running guns, with the aid of the faithful allies and investment from Bandar, through Turkey and Jordan.

    I tend to think that what this (and several other recent) articles are about is: opinion shaping. NYT and the rest of the gang are engaged in shaping public opinion for something – one can only speculate.

    The narrative build up is all the same: ISIS is scary, ISIS must be stopped before it comes to America, arming the locals does not work, ISIS must be contained…. My speculation is that these narratives are slowly building a case for effectively surrounding Syria under the guise of creating a containment zone for ISIS; ultimately destroying Syria.

  137. kooshy says:

    BiBiJon says:
    October 16, 2014 at 10:41 am

    Yes I agree, but unfortunately no one ever learns the lessons of history (example: Jews and Israel they never learn from past)

    At the end of “History” Dumping clients and satellite is a natural some, and sometimes dumping of burdens are more obvious than others, I think that stage “in a more settled and unique way than USSR did ” has already began for the US and her client states. IMO start of this motion is exactly the reason making all this Arab, Israeli and the New Ottomans client states worried and making irrational moves and decision to divert and prevent, never less that not only help but will expedite the end of US super power. Good to see you post again.

  138. fyi says:

    BiBiJon says:

    October 16, 2014 at 10:51 am

    I do not agree with you, the “fluidity” of the Status Quo – a contradiction in terms – actually has benefited Iran by putting Iran in a “Seller” situation.

  139. Rehmat says:

    Since the 1990s the US administrations had accused Baghdad (based on Mossad intelligence reporting) of having stockpiles of chemical weapons which posed great threat to Iraq’s neighbors and rest of the “civilized world” and, thus, must be destroyed. Forget that Iraq’s several neighbors, such as, Israel, Egypt and Syria too had stockpiles of chemical weapons. Israel also have 240-400 nuclear bombs in 1991 and 2003.

    On October 14, 2014, the Jew York Times reported that the US occupation forces in Iraq did find some 5,000 outdated chemical weapons, but unfortunately they’re all “Made in USA”.

    According to the paper American and US trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and at times were wounded during 2004-2011 by the chemical weapons that were acquired or produced with western collaboration, and hidden or abandoned after the Iraq-Iran War of 1980s.

    Saddam Hussein was a CIA agent who along with the anti-Islam Ba’athists were brought into power in 1963 by the US and Britain to stop anti-Israel Islamists coming into power in Iraq, Egypt and Jordan.

    United States, Britain and their Arab allies (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, etc.) provided money, arms and even chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein’s army to destroy Islamic Revolution in Iran before it spread to the rest of the Arab world.

    Norm Dixon, an Australian journalist in a June 2004 article claimed that the so-called “Irangate” was a scandal (like ISIS) to discredit the Islamic Revolution in Iran among the Arabs.

    The full extent of US complicity in Iraq’s “weapons of mass destruction” programmes became clear in December 2002, when Iraq submitted an 11,800 page report on these programmes to the UN Security Council. The US insisted on examining the report before anyone else, even before the weapons inspectors, and promptly insisted on removing 8,000 pages from it before allowing the non-permanent members of the Security Council to look at it. Iraq apparently leaked the list of American companies whose names appear in the report to a German daily, Die Tageszeitung. Apart from American companies, German firms were heavily implicated. Read more here.

    Tens of thousands of Iranians were killed and wounded by chemical weapons during the 1980-1988 Iraqi imposed war on Iran. Around 100,000 Iranians are still living with the effects, which include long-term respiratory problems, eye and skin problems as well as immune system disorders, psychological disorders, genetic disorders, and probably cancers.

  140. James Canning says:


    Most of Iraq’s WMD were destroyed in 1991 after the Gulf War, under orders of Saddam Hussein. This fact is usually suppressed in reports about Iraqi WMD.

  141. James Canning says:


    Obama is not keen to attack Syrian government forces. This is clear. Equally clear is that Turkey is trying to arrange matters so that the US attacks Syrian forces while also attacking Isis forces that are fighting Syrian forces.

  142. James Canning says:


    The next occupant of the White House may be less willing to make a deal with Iran.

  143. James Canning says:

    Bussed-In Basii,

    The head of Britain’s MI-6 made the same point in the Financial Times last month: that the West cannot control revolutions in the Muslim world and that such revolutions usually turn out to be a bad thing for the West.

  144. James Canning says:

    A point too often overlooked (or concealed): to what extent is the Israel lobby seeking the overthrow of Bashar al-Assad in hopes this will enable Israel to keep the Golan Heights?

  145. James Canning says:


    Again, I think Blair blundered badly by backing the ill-considered US invasion of Iraq in 2003, and I think he should have done his best to block the invasion.

    Full stop.

    However, Blair was right to argue that Israel/Palestine problem needed to be resolved. Bush had virtually advertised the fact he was not interested in doing anything to resolve that problem. (Moron in the White House.)

  146. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    October 16, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    It is equally clear that we are on a verge of a war which will suck NATO in as the Shia Crescent attacks Turkey and Israel across a broad front.

    NATO’s call.

  147. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    October 16, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    Iranian leaders, evidently, are aware of that and do not seem to be overly concerned.

    Does US want to preserve Iraq?

    Does US want to contain and to eventually destroy ISIS?

    Is ISIS not a threat to erstwhile Sunni friends of US?

    I know that answers to all of those questions and I am willing to state that the Mad King will act in a way that is consistent with my answers.

    After all, that is the definition of Madness.

  148. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    October 16, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    Iranian leaders, evidently, are aware of that and do not seem to be overly concerned.

    Does US want to preserve Iraq?

    Does US want to contain and to eventually destroy ISIS?

    Is ISIS not a threat to erstwhile Sunni friends of US?

    I know that answers to all of those questions and I am willing to state that the Mad King will act in a way that is IN-consistent with my answers.

    After all, that is the definition of Madness.

  149. Ataune says:

    “However, Blair was right to argue that Israel/Palestine problem needed to be resolved. Bush had virtually advertised the fact he was not interested in doing anything to resolve that problem. ”

    Regarding the hard policy towards the Palestine issue I would say that since long time ago nothing has changed at the US executive level, and therefore by appendix the UK one. This policy always consisted of prolonging the bureaucratic “peace process” ’til facts on the ground have had made it impossible for the Palestinian to claim any territory in the historical Palestine. The only variations, in the form, throughout the last 20 to 25 years, were the declarative policy. While Clinton managed to give lip service to the Palestinians, the Bush administration didn’t even see the need to stick to the form and the assurance given by the US since he thought time had come to backup the overall Middle-East policy with military force. Blair clearly followed him, as any other UK PM would have done, but enthusiastically in his case. After the move revealed to be the huge strategic disaster we witnessed, Blair backtracked to a mild form of the previous declarative policy, i.e. asking for reviving a process without any real content.

    That is the reason why you were not able to find any political actions from Blair that would have gone against the illegal Israeli acts of colony extension in a land not belonging to them.

  150. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    October 16, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    You appear to demand that others follow your lead and conflate two unconnected initiatives because it fits your narrative?

    Illegal attack on one country has nothing to do with illegal occupation of another.

    The only conclusion one can draw is that you desire to provide a cover for British participation in the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people in Iraq.

  151. BiBiJon says:

    GCHQ’s Alan Turin department has created one of the typically naff English computer programs: The James Canning

    With a little wiz bang coding, and a txt file full of one liners, the program scans comments for key words and phrases, and squirts out a piece of pre-stored text that shares most of the key words.

    So if the comment is about complicity of UK in giving Saddam chemical weapons knowing full well he’d use them, then the program squirts out one of the various variations on “Blaire blundered badly going into Iraq.” You’d be better off playing a video game,than engaging the JC001 v 2.1

  152. Amir says:

    Some people in the US are trying to contain the only viable option (the Houthis) for destroying the Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, see link:
    And the punch-line? Iran! Iran! Iran!
    انشاءلله شعار مرگ بر آمریکا را نه فقط از مساجد بلکه از کلیساهای جهان نیز به گوش جهانیان برسانیم.

  153. Sammy says:

    We knew this of course :

    …The administration’s misguided perception that the mere establishment of relations with the U.S. would serve as a panacea to Iran’s economic woes has basically made the fate of Iran’s economy hostage to the unforeseeable outcome of its negotiations with the United State and, therefore, hostage to the endless, and increasingly futile, nuclear negotiations with the group of the so-called 5+1 countries, dominated by the United States.

    This explains Mr. Rouhani’s dilemma: he has essentially trapped himself into an illusion, the illusion that a combination of charm offensives, smiley faces and diplomatic niceties (in place of Ahmadinejad’s undiplomatic demeanor) would suffice to change imperialist policies toward Iran. In reality, however, the U.S. policy toward Iran (or any other country, for that matter) is based on an agenda, an imperialistic agenda that consists of a series of demands and expectations, not on diplomatic decorum, or the type of language its leaders use….

  154. Rehmat says:

    Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenie in a recent statement accused the US, Zionist entity and UK for the creation of IS monster – Ironically, the same two countries which gave birth and nourished JS.

    “A careful and analytical look at developments reveal that the US and its allies, in efforts that are falsely termed countering ISIL, seeks to create division and enmity among Muslims rather to destroy the root causes of that terrorist current. America, Zionism and Britain have sharply increased their efforts of creating divisions between Sunnies and Shias,” Khamenie said.

  155. James Canning says:


    Khamenei surely is aware that Turkey is trying to force the US to attack forces of the Syrian government.

  156. James Canning says:


    Jay accused me of failing to attack Tony Blair’s backing of the US invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    The US and other countries very ill-advisedly helped Iraq with its WMD programmes, especially during the terrible Iran-Iraq war. I think I have made this point before.

  157. James Canning says:


    I strongly opposed British participation in the foolish and ill-conceived US invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    I find it very odd indeed you want to sweep under the rug Tony Blair’s desire to get Israel/Palestine issue resolved. You are doing the same thing Netanyahu does regularly.

  158. James Canning says:

    In his column in the Financial Times today, Philip Stephens in effect calls for recognition of Palestine by more and more countries around the world.

  159. James Canning says:


    Tony Blair’s foolish support of the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 in my judgment did a great deal to make the catastrophe possible. I have made this point many times.

  160. James Canning says:


    Let me be clear: Tony Blair obtained GW Bush’s agreement to back a strong effort to resolve Israel/Palestine problem. As a quid pro quo in Blair’s backing of US invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    This fact is suppressed in most reports. Your assertion I cannot back my statement is incorrect. That you apparently are not aware of the deal Blair made with Bush reveals you are badly informed on a crucial aspect of the events of 2002-03.

  161. James Canning says:


    You are not adequately informed, if you believe Obama did not enter the White House with a view toward improving America’s relations with Iran, and a desire to work toward resolving Israel/Palestine problem.

  162. James Canning says:


    Are you actually predicting Iraq wants to attack Turkey and Israel? That Hezbollah wants to attack Israel? I think you are dead wrong on both points.

  163. Karl.. says:

    October 16, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    This bot seems to be a prototype.

    This is what the bot have been saying:

    Tony Blair wanted peace in Israel/Palestine, but no Israel couldnt make peace, because of Iran.
    Therefore Israel built settlements, yes this is Iran’s fault. Little did we know that Iran had a nuclear program in 1948 when Israel was proclaimed. But this is what the bot says. That UK cut Palestine in pieces and is the reason for the conflict could under no circumstances be blamed on UK, everyone knows this is Iran’s fault. Its so obvious!

    Tony Blair in turn cant be blamed for Iraq, hey, he wanted peace in Israel/Palestine. Even if he wanted which did not, what this have to do with millions of dead iraqis by UK havent the bot been able to tell. But the bot says Iran ruined it, if it wasnt for Iran those settlements wouldnt have been built.

    And Syria, those damn iranians are there too, they in fact crated the mess in Syria, yes Iran’s nuclear program have caused 100’s of thousands people to die in a civil war. Those damn iranians causing problems everywhere! That UK want regime in Syria is no problem, Iran made them to take that position. Those damn iranians!

    And not only Blair should be praised, Cameron, Hague must be credited, they wanted peace with not only Iran but with Hezbollah, Syria, but no those damn iranians blew it! Dont these brown people that UK rule the world? Stupid iranians and arabpeople!

  164. James Canning says:


    Israel COULD MAKE PEACE. Where do you get the notion I claim otherwise?

    You appear unable to grasp the concept of “deflection”. Israel hypes a supposed “threat” from Iran in order to grow its illegal colonies of Jews in the West Bank, contrary to international law. You should be able to grasp this.

  165. James Canning says:


    Blair deserves condemnation for so foolishly backing the idiotic US invasion of Iraq. You call this “praise”? Nonsense.

  166. James Canning says:


    The 1947 plan for partition of Palestine was the work of the UN. Not the UK.

  167. Ataune says:

    “This fact is suppressed in most reports. Your assertion I cannot back my statement is incorrect. That you apparently are not aware of the deal Blair made with Bush reveals you are badly informed on a crucial aspect of the events of 2002-03.”

    I’m not in the secrets of these people as you are, but I have a criteria to judge the ones that are looking for the position of leadership. It’s not what they say in private, it’s even not what they promise in public, although that counts before accepting them as my leader, it is their action when they are leading. Blair might have told you, or Bush, in the ear what you wanted to hear but his actions when he was a leader were dreadful vis-à-vis Palestinians. That is why you cannot find a single action by him backing your claim. Same goes with Obama. I judge the political leader based on their actions you seem to judge them based on their proclaimed intentions.

  168. James Canning says:

    At, Gareth Porter has good report: “When the Ayatollah said No to nukes”.

  169. James Canning says:


    I assume I can find online a mention from a reputable source, regarding the deal Tony Blair made with GW Bush. (To get Israel/Palestine problem resolved, if at all possible.)

    The eruption of the intifada complicated the situation, to say the least.

    Intentions are very important. For example, Iran did not intend to make it easier for Israel to grow its illegal colonies in the occupied West Bank. Agreed?

  170. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    [at various time]

    Perhaps I am not being clear enough for you — let’s try again.

    Position A: Palestinians have an international legal right to their homeland

    Position B: Iraq should be invaded illegally and in contravention to international law and norms

    You are trying to link A and B. Everyone can plainly see that there is no link!

    Why are you linking them?

    Position A: because I want to excuse Britain by throwing Blair a lifeline
    Position B: because I think these are linked even though they are clearly not – but I insist
    Position C: I am delusional and I wish to stay that way.
    Position D: I don’t know what I am talking about
    Position E: let me explain without invoking an unsubstantiated assertion


    choose from the menu.
    If you choose E, follow directions.

  171. Ataune says:

    “Intentions are very important.”

    Obviously. If you don’t have intention to achieve something you most certainly won’t, unless forced to. But proclaiming that you intend to do something on the other hand doesn’t mean that you will or even you want to do it, specially regarding those not touching directly your national constituency. I doubt that Blair had the intentions he was proclaiming he had regarding the Palestinian issue. I would even say that if a psychologist was to analyze his public utterance regarding Islam and Palestinians he/she would have concluded that Blair has a visceral dislike of Islam. But anyhow, as I said, his actions at any time during his political leadership, were always going against the Palestinian interests and in the direction of the most extremist political forces in Israel (Likud).

  172. kooshy says:

    Jay says:
    October 17, 2014 at 3:17 pm
    “James Canning says:
    [at various time”

    Jay – Good luck with that, let me know, no no strike that, surprise me if you ever can get a straight answer from a English boarding school raised lad.

  173. Nasser says:

    The War Nerd brilliant as usual

    So the message from DC was clear: “Die, Kurds! Die, and do it on-camera and soon!”

  174. Smith says:

    Nasser says:
    October 16, 2014 at 2:07 am

    Thanks for noticing!

    Dealing with those idiots is easy. The problem is our own morons. The kind that used to argue with me that riot-control water spray cannons are against Islam, here on this very forum. Well then guess what, Iran has started manufacturing them in two sizes a baby one and a monster size:

    I guess then, Islam is adaptable and not calcified.

    PS. How did you guess it?

  175. M.Ali says:

    Nasser, I read that article, but I disagree with the tone. While ISIS is overrated, frankly, so are the Kurd fighters. The western media was looked for a good groupd to talk about and make heroic, and who could they choose? The Iranians? Of course not. Iraqi army? Nope. Assad in Syria. Don’t make me laugh.

    Who is left? The Kurds. They are not Arabs, they are not Iranians, and they allow women in their army! Plus, they are like the Mujahedeen in Rambo 2, before Mujadeen became uncool in the media. But they have the underdog attributes the west loves so much, mountain people, that do not comprimise, traditional, and MANLY.

    So when you read an article like this where it says,”So, when surrounded by this new, scary, Sunni militia called Islamic State, the Kurdish YPG militia in Kobane simply fought back, as a matter of course, with no fuss or panic”, you want to laugh. No fuss or panic? So what was all that Kurdish panicing and begging the west to give them arms and help them with airstrikes?

    Hey, respect to our Kurd bros for defending their city, but lets not make mock one hype and hype something else.

    “Hamad and 19 others are the first to be trained to handle new weapons provided by Berlin for the fightback against jihadists from the Islamic State (Isis) group, who have overrun much of northern Iraq.

    Germany announced at the end of August that it was going to give new weapons to the Kurdish peshmerga, the militia that is a key force against Isis fighters in Iraq.

    The offer of military aid was substantial – 16,000 HK G3 and HK G36 assault rifles, 8,000 pistols and portable anti-tank rocket launchers, as well as tents, helmets and radio equipment.

    Now the weapons – worth an estimated €70 million – have arrived and with them German trainers who are drilling the peshmerga in their use.”

  176. M.Ali says:

    Here are the no-fuss, no-panic Kurds,

    “Masrour Barzani, the Kurdistan Regional Government’s intelligence and security chief, described his forces as “overstretched.” In an interview this week, he called on the United States to provide direct military assistance to his semi­autonomous region, which he said has been left to fight the extremists unaided.”


    ““I could see 20 dead bodies, very short range from us, but we had orders just to let them take the stuff, and hold fire,” Lt. Col. Kamaran Hourami said.

    “We need newer and better weapons,” he said. ”


    “Washington is considering a request from the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) to provide arms to Peshmerga forces fighting the advancing Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the head of the KRG’s Department of Foreign Relations Falah Mustafa said on Thursday.

    In an interview with Asharq Al-Awsat, Mustafa said: “The fight against terrorism requires support and assistance and coordination and unfortunately the Iraqi army did not help us. That is why we asked the US to provide us with arms and training because we are unable to continue defending the Kurdistan region without more arms.” ”

    and so on.

  177. M.Ali says:

    Also, that article argues that the air strikes have been useless, so why exactly do the Kurds (the no fuss and no panic Kurds) beg for more?

    From today,

    “Idris Nassen, a Kurdish official in Kobane, said: “We need more air strikes, as well as weaponry and ammunition to fight them on the ground.

    “If we get extra weapons we need this could be over soon – but if it’s only air strikes then this will be a long battle unfortunately.”

  178. M.Ali says:

    And read the comments. The video apparantly is an old one and probably has nothing to do with the Kurds.

  179. Rehmat says:

    On July 3, 2014, Craig Murray, former British ambassador to Uzbekistan wrote on his blog: “The neo-con dream is to create a pro-American little state out of Iraqi Kurdistan that provides American bases, oil contracts and pro-Israeli support in the Middle East. There is no doubt that both the current degree of Iraqi Kurdish autonomy and the new push for an independence referendum are American inspired. But the neo-cons are not nearly as clever as they think they are, and have started processes which they have no hope of controlling. I very much hope to see an independent Kurdistan, and I hope to see it grow. Once established I expect to see Kurdistan in short order kick out the Americans and declare support for the Palestinians.”

    Eric Draitser, a New York-based geopolitical analyst and founder of have different opinion. He believes the Islamic Republic is waging a proxy war in Kurdistan to kick USrael out of Iraqi Kurdistan, as it did in Yemen recently, in order to maintain a united pro-Iran Iraq.

  180. kooshy says:

    Another great article by Greenwald specially should be read by Gav James, we all know how he loves factual criticisms of his favorite western press

    “It is, of course, true that democratically elected leaders are capable of authoritarian measures. It is, for instance, democratically elected U.S. leaders who imprison people without charges for years, build secret domestic spying systems, and even assert the power to assassinate their own citizens without due process. Elections are no guarantee against tyranny. There are legitimate criticisms to be made of each of these leaders with regard to domestic measures and civic freedoms, as there is for virtually every government on the planet.

    But the very idea that the U.S. government and its media allies are motivated by those flaws is nothing short of laughable. Many of the U.S. government’s closest allies are the world’s worst regimes, beginning with the uniquely oppressive Saudi kingdom (which just yesterday sentenced a popular Shiite dissident to death) and the brutal military coup regime in Egypt, which, as my colleague Murtaza Hussain reports today, gets more popular in Washington as it becomes even more oppressive. And, of course, the U.S. supports Israel in every way imaginable even as its Secretary of State expressly recognizes the “apartheid” nature of its policy path.”

    What ‘Democracy’ Really Means in U.S. and New York Times Jargon: Latin America Edition

    By Glenn Greenwald

  181. Jay says:

    kooshy says:
    October 17, 2014 at 5:39 pm

    I would be astonished myself!

    I suspect that attempts to pass bigoted nonsense as paternalistic love shall continue!!

  182. fyi says:

    Liz says:

    October 18, 2014 at 1:20 am

    The strategic situation has changed for the worse for long-term state cohesion and survival of Iran since that time.

    1998 nuclear tests of Pakistan and India have cast doubt on the viability and continued existence of Iran as a unitary state.

    As for Jews & Israelis: they seem to have forgotten that the Iranian plateau has been the only place on Earth that Jews had lived continuously for the last 2500 years.

    They seem to be metaphysically assured that they will have a permanent and secure place in Europe and in the Americas – we shall see.

    I hope they are right but I would have tried to maintain my bridges to Iran lest the situation for them changes in North America in the coming centuries.

    [Did you know there was a European-wide massacre of Jews during the Black Death period?]

  183. fyi says:

    M.Ali says:

    October 18, 2014 at 6:25 am

    Kurds want someone else to fight their war for them; in Syria and in Iraq they have proven not to be match for a weak army such as ISIS.

    Their dream of an independent state is proven yet again to be unrealizable; an independent state ought to be able to defend itself; they could not – not in Syria, not in Iraq, not in Iran, and not in Turkey.

    Kurds are useful fools for others to manipulate; at the end of which there just are more dead people – Kurdish and non-Kurdish.

  184. James Canning says:


    Iranian leaders likely see near-zero chance either Pakistan or India would attack Iran with nukes. Or attack Iran, for that matter.

  185. James Canning says:


    I didn’t see any reference to problems with reporting of facts by western newspapers, in the piece by Greenwald you quoted.

  186. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    October 18, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    You will have infinitely more credibility in such assertions if UK were to leave NATO as well as dismantle her nuclear weapons.

    Until that time, I suggest you keeping quite about strategic threats to Iran.

  187. James Canning says:


    Tony Blair wanted GW Bush to follow-up in Bill Clinton’s efforts to resolve Israel/Palestine problem, and Blair thought this was a crucial issue to address right away (upon Bush’s entry into the White House). Bush, regrettably, wanted to ignore the problem.

  188. James Canning says:


    Iran faces strategic threats, but Iran does not face a problem of nuclear attack from Pakistan or India.

    “Loose nukes”, in Pakistan, are of course a potential problem (and one the US and UK obviously are well aware of ).

  189. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    October 18, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    A military planner must look at potentials and not intents.

    Enough said.

  190. Karl.. says:

    “How dare George Bush preach peace to Israel when he’s meeting Blair to plan war on Iraq”

  191. James Canning says:


    At no time have I suggested, hinted, claimed, etc etc etc, that Blair was right to back idiotic US invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    Quote a single comment by me, that you claim supports your contention.

  192. Nasser says:

    Smith says: October 18, 2014 at 1:29 am

    Hahaha I didn’t have to guess bro, I have probably read every comment you have left here and at raceforiran and we have had detailed correspondents before; so I am quite familiar with your writing style and your arguments.

    The reason I didn’t notice you sooner was because I have never myself commented on Al-monitor before and usually don’t even bother reading the comments section (except sometimes by the commentator agitpapa) because I have too often found the comments there to be of the level left by the clown you were debating with. BTW, I am currently reading up on some of the other comments you have left under your other username and I have found your comments on Iran’s border security to be really excellent and incredibly detailed and would suggest you should repost them here for other readers’ benefit; it really is a very important issue.

    I do disagree with you about one thing however; I don’t think that idiot commenting was ever a real soldier/grunt. Judging from his avatar and his comments, his entire warfighting experience must have come from playing Call of Duty and I would bet that the only “old rifle” he ever held was his joystick :)

  193. James Canning says:


    Perhaps we can get better clarity if you say what you mean by a “homeland” for the Palestinians.

    If you are arguing that Tony Blair did not seek the elimination of the state of Israel, you of course are correct.

  194. Nasser says:


    Thanks for your comments. I apologize in advance for a very lengthy post.

    First, I think we must distinguish between the YPG, PKK and the Peshmarga of the Barzani clan. The Kurds are of course not a monolithic entity, they don’t all feel the same amount of transnational sympathy for each other and not all of them have the same level of fighting capability or the same type of relationship with the West (or Turkey).

    The US has never been cozy with the YPG or PKK. However the US has for some time regarded the Iraqi Kurds (who are not too close to Iran) as their pets and together with Turkey had plans for them. It is they that have the oil and it is they that tucked their tails between their legs and ran from ISIS. I believe the author is right in pointing out that the US didn’t seem as enthusiastic about helping out the Syrian Kurds as they were about helping out the Iraqi Kurds. In addition, Barzani has proven to be such an opportunist and such an enthusiastic whore that he was helping Turkey and ISIS murder the Syrian Kurds; proving just how much sympathy they held for their “brothers” across borders. That is until he himself was attacked by ISIS that is. YPG of Syria proved themselves to be brave fighters but also proved themselves to be honorable. They along with PKK, Iran, Iraqi Shia militias, and US air power bailed out their Iraqi Kurdish “brothers” who until very recently were aiding ISIS and Turkey in their slaughter. Let us hope Barzani has also learned his lesson as to what happens to Kurds when aiding the Iraqi Sunnis in their fight with the Shias.

    This brings us to the other point of the article of trying to explain just what exactly the US is up to. I don’t know for sure the answer to that question and I am certain that US policymakers themselves don’t know the answer either or at least the answer changes depending on the day and their mood. I will try to elaborate the conclusions that I have reached after some reflection but there are some holes I haven’t been able to fill in and I still can’t find answers to some questions like why in the hell would you invade Libya when they did?

    It seems the US is balancing complex and sometimes contradictory objectives and there is some infighting amongst them (some want to fight Iran, some Russia, some China, some Wahabi terrorism, some are actually not completely insane jingoist bigots). They are very ignorant and even more arrogant, so naturally many of their assumptions and expectations turn out to be false which results in even more infighting and sometimes lashing out in anger. I take heart from the fact that they are so arrogant that they seem to believe that they can fulfill all their desires, make no tactical sacrifices and no concessions with anyone, and will thus probably end up alienating everyone and failing at everything.

    They saw an opportunity in the Arab Spring to hurt Iran by removing Assad but then after a while realized that doing so was neither quick nor easy and what’s more what would take Assad’s place would be even worse for Israel. That didn’t mean they wanted Syria settled because my God they hate Iran and Shias so much and like in the Iran-Iraq war two groups they hated were killing each other.

    They very reluctantly intervened against ISIS once they found these Wahabi lunatics they were once aiding to be completely uncontrollable much like how they found Saddam and the Taliban to be uncontrollable. So when ISIS began attacking Iraqi Kurds, decapitating western journalists and calling for a Pan Islamic Caliphate, political pressure mounted on Obama to the point where he couldn’t stay away. The US at first did so quite reluctantly and half heartedly because ISIS after all was murdering Shias which Americans very much liked and they thought dropping a few bombs would scare ISIS back into obedience. But like they failed to scare the Talibans into giving up Bin Laden after 9/11 they too failed against ISIS.

    Their natural response usually would have been to hammer the hell out of ISIS in anger and frustration. But after reading several commentary and analyses by American strategic community I have learned that the only lesson the US has learned is that their overthrow of Saddam and the Taliban helped Iran enormously and they must not repeat the same mistake twice. Note, they don’t think it was a mistake to support these evil mass murderers in the first place.

    So the Americans began to plan for a way to hurt both ISIS and Iran. They don’t want the Shias to catch a breather while the West destroys ISIS and so they are currently planning on coming up with more controllable Sunni jihadists that would murder Shias alright but would be more obedient and controllable than ISIS; ala moderate Sunnis rebels.

    At the same time they would use the casus belli of ISIS to reimpose themselves on Iraq; and with the help of their friends Barzani and Sunni tribes create an “inclusive” Iraqi government (with important cabinet posts filled with Sunni saboteurs) because in US judgment (correctly in my view) Iran without Iraq like Russia without Ukraine would be greatly reduced in its power.

    US actions against ISIS is further complicated by the fact that Turkey is in bed with ISIS much like Pakistan is in bed with the Taliban. The Turks don’t seem too interested in trading in these head choppers for another group of moderate head choppers; they instead seem more interested in massacring Kurdish civilians. If the AKP (genocidal fascist hicks that they are) want Syrian Kurds massacred, the US acquiesces even if reluctantly while attempting to use such events to its advantage until it becomes politically too embarrassing to do so any longer. This is the only explanation I found for their often incoherent actions and strange zig zags. So yes I believe Gary Brecher was exactly right in describing this phenomenon.

    Of course I expect them to fail in this latest scheme too because as Mr Smith pointed out these Wahabi lunatics are so tribal and so defiant of any religious authority that they are uncontrollable by their very nature. So like you have stated in your previous posts I too expect the US to become as hated these Sunnis as they are now by the Shias and the only friends they will have left are the royal families of the petro states and Israel.

    Let us remember all this is while US attention is challenged by a very serious crisis with Russia, no doubt to be followed by one with China in due time, and their expectation that Iranians are pretty much ready to cry uncle. It is all very clumsy. In fact it would be damn comical if not for the very real tragedy of all these dead Middle Easterns.

  195. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    October 18, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    At no time have I suggested, hinted, claimed, etc etc etc, that Blair was right to back idiotic US invasion of Iraq in 2003.”

    Mr. Blair did not stop at backing the US invasion and was not alone. The UK house of Commons voted to go to war as well.

    Now — stop linking this criminal act to any other potential motive! That would be a start.

  196. fyi says:

    BiBiJon says:

    October 18, 2014 at 7:53 pm

    Not going to happen.

    This just the usual Indian game to get attention from US and get something….

  197. BiBiJon says:

    fyi says:
    October 18, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    You could be right. Or, more charitably, India might be testing the waters to see if there’ll be any serious objections. Or, conceivably the latest Iran-Pakistan spat has pleased india into taking steps towrds Iran. At any rate it was reported in a bunch of Indian newspapers.

  198. Smith says:

    Dear Nasser,

    Thank you for your keen attention to my (rather undeserving!)comments. Here, I also must compliment you on your keen observation skills.

    I knew that he might not be even a grunt. After all the coward has even put his profile on discus in private mode. Such cowardice to hide one’s own comments from public shows what kind of a grunt or rather as you put it a video-gamer we are dealing with. Then he has gone ahead and has started to follow me on discus. Pathetic. Anyways by the old rifle I meant an entirely different instrument rather much smallish in his particular case. He got the point though, shaft and all. Did you mean the same by Joy-Stick?

    Joke aside, I do not comment much there too, just when I see something that catches my eye. It is just one of some accounts I had made after the green movement tragedy, trying to fight a lone fight for Iran’s international image. The era between that tragedy and the “arab spring” was really hard and the online battle was fierce. Did ALOT and ALOT of editing (constructive and always with proper refs), on wikipedia so that a positive image of Iran gets out there (some of the largest pages there on Iran are entirely my creation). Engineered viral net messages to give hope to Iranians and crush propaganda against Iran. It was fun. So these kind of idiots can not even catch up to the dust in my wake, let alone me.

    Thank you for reading my old comments. That is really nice of you and it gives me goosebumps (mmmm, what I had written?). Just do not laugh if something is odd because it was written for its time.

    agitpapa writes good though I do not like his views on Iran and Shia. But he is a learned man, at least he is not a brick-layer-muleteer. I had never conversed with him till yesterday. Just a small talk about Erdogan:

    Here is part of the comment I guess you referred to. I had actually made two comments on the issue, the other more detailed comment I can not find right now:

    (Below comment is a copy of an old one)

    It seems people in Iran do not have a complete idea of what is going on around Iran. The situation is complex and a concerted effort is underway to initiate a civil war in Iran using wahabism as its cornerstone ideology. Any miscalculation on Iran’s part is going to be deadly for Iranians as I had written before. Iran should stop blaming this and that, instead start working on securing its borders. Here I reproduce points, which I had written, once again for the benefit of readers:

    1) The Iranian soldiers have been kidnapped by a Takfiri group. The western situation when confronted with these groups is no different. Takfiri mindset and its ideology is very violent and bloodthirsty. The real comparison perhaps would be the American soldier, Bowe Robert Bergdahl captured by Taliban in Afghanistan in 2009 with US being unable to secure his release to this day after five years. But even then Takfiris consider a Shia in much more contempt and hatred than a US soldier. So the Iranian situation is really unique, desperate, dangerous and deteriorating. There have been numerous Westerners who were kidnapped by such groups in Pakistan and eventually killed. So Zarif is not complete wrong on this issue. It is not his failure that is the cause of this situation. It is the failure of Iranian military that is unable to secure Iran’s borders.

    2) Pakistan has become a lawless and completely impotent slave state. It is a country that became available for rent since its creation. It was rented out to various powers and factions during its short and laughable history from China to US but now it has been finally and successfully rented by the Takfiri mindset and their patron in chief Saudi Arabia. This group which has kidnapped Iran’s border guard is less of a Balochi group and more of a Saudi proxy element based in Pakistan against Iran. They use Arabic as their primary language for their announcements using Twitter, Satellite phones, Facebook etc. They have access to Saudi and Pakistani newspapers publishing their stories and interviews. Even their banner and flag uses Urdu calligraphy for the typeface of its Arabic words which is very different from Farsi calligraphy. And their name Jaish (army in Arabic) means piss in Farsi, a name that a homegrown group would never choose. It is a foreign based, foreign created and foreign supported group made out of remnants of the Pakistan based Rigi group after Iran destroyed it by capturing its leader. When Iran captured the leader of that group in 2010, Pakistan at that time tried to do damage-control and spread a rumor that it was Pakistan that handed him over. But of course it was not true and Pakistan to this day has not released even a single photograph of his capture. It is not “human rights”, “democracy” or “freedom” that matters to this group but the killing of Shias whom they call: “Rafidi Kafer”. It is the cornerstone of their ideology, one without which Takfiri mindset can not exist. That is why no amount of appeasing, negotiations, money and acceptance by Shias can win over them. They understand only one language, that of military firepower.

    3) Unfortunate for Iran, the fact is that Pakistan is a nuclear armed state, while Iran itself does not have any nuclear weapons. So pressuring Pakistan is actually much more dangerous for Iran than it is for Pakistan since any kind of war will end in dozens of Iranian cities being nuked, evaporated and Iran ceasing to exist entirely. If Iran had nuclear weapons, the situation would have been different with Pakistan being more responsive to Iranian demand and pressures. Right now Pakistani Generals see Iran as an internationally isolated state with no nuclear weapon. Any mistake on Iran’s part will cause the whole world to support Pakistan to use WMDs on Iran as the whole world had supported Saddam to use WMD’s on Iran. Further more Saudis and Americans would probably pay Pakistan very well if Pakistan did what they want without having their own hands getting dirtied. And also let’s not forget that Pakistani military and political structure are now fully penetrated and controlled by Deobandi and Wahabi elements who are very hostile to Iran and Shias. This is yet another wake up call for Iranian statesmen to leave NPT and build nuclear weapons arsenal.

    4) Increasingly the Takfiri ideology is penetrating the Sunni population of Iran. This is the number one internal security risk, Iran faces today. Alot of Saudi money is being spent to convert Iranian Sunnis to Deobandi and Wahabi/Salafi sects. The Iranian Sunnis are given money and support to study in Saudi funded centers in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Persian Gulf countries. This is being done to start up a civil war inside Iran. Unfortunately Iranian state is to blame too. The counter weight to this Saudi initiative to create mayhem in Iran, was the Sufi branch of Sunni Islam which is being crushed by the Iranian state in an act of madness. Instead of supporting Sufism and use it to battle the wahabism among Sunni Islam with it, Iranian state is destroying sufism, leaving no option for Sunni population but to join Saudi ideology of Takfirism. Also there must be economic initiatives taken by Iranian state to solve economic problems of Baloch people eg. Balochis still do not have natural gas piped to their home. It is time to convert that pipeline built for Pakistan into a pipeline feeding Sistan va Balochistan province. Afghanistan with American and Indian support has been building dams on rivers that flow into Sistan va Balochistan with the disastrous result of complete destruction of agriculture and fishing industries of Baloch people. It is time for Iranian state to address these areas of concern.

    5) Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq are the neighbors of Iran that will be facing internal conflicts and civil wars for decades to come or perhaps even centuries to come due to their internal inconsistencies. These lands that border Iran have a huge population of poor people, indoctrinated in hate ideologies of wahabism against Shias who will keep attacking Iran in century and beyond. A permanent solution for border control with these countries is needed so that their problems do not spill inside Iranian territory. Neither of these states is in full control of their territories. In fact as per Pakistani government’s own reports, Pakistani state is only in control of 5% of its Baluchistan province. The rest of 95% is a lawless land in which various war lords, separatists, anti-shia takfiri militants, drug smugglers etc etc roam and rule. In such a situation, expecting anything from a failed state such as Pakistan, is a laughable demand. The only solution is to strengthen Iran’s borders using these ideas:

    a) Iran needs to have a permanent, separate and highly trained and well equipped border protection force. Currently Iran’s border guards are a joke whose command is with regional police and interior ministry. This is a disaster. Iran needs to have a completely independent force for its borders similar to army, navy, air force etc. This force should have permanent government employment as air force officers or police officers have with their own separate training, intelligence, command and supply structures. For instance this Iranian officer who was killed was actually a contract soldier who had a five year contract to work as a border guard. This is ridiculous. The people who have designed such a force are criminals. They should know full well that Iran will be needing to secure its border with countries such as Pakistan or Afghanistan for decades and centuries to come as non of these states have any realistic chance of becoming peaceful in decades or centuries to come. Iran is living in a dangerous neighborhood and not in the middle of EU. This means Iran would be needing to hire highly capable and highly motivated and highly trained and super equipped border protection forces PERMANENTLY, not on 5 year contracts. This is not a commercial business that you would hire a five year contracted employee. This is about security against forever lawless lands surrounding Iran.

    b) These Iranian soldiers had the minimal and most ineffective training for the job. Furthermore it seems that they had not been briefed by a competent commander and warned and prepared about the dangers of the area of their deployment. No intelligence had been provided to them about the dangers of their area and how to tackle their weaknesses. That is why they were sleeping inside a tent as if they had gone to a picnic. The commanders, the intelligence officers and their supervisors stand responsible for this unfortunate incidence of neglect and irresponsibility. Every unit of border protection should work under a responsible commander with proper briefing and debriefing. There should be no place in such a force for incompetent, un-motivated and irresponsible commanders.

    c) These Iranian soldiers were also very poorly equipped. No body armor, no night vision, no proper communication, no back up in case something goes wrong, no electronic early warning and surveillance equipment and even no armored vehicle. It appears they were just five kids, with a couple of rusting rifles on a picnic sleeping with no guard rotation inside a cloth tent.

    d) Since the borders are immobile, Iran needs to have permanent fortification of the entire border. For example since most machine guns have a maximum range of 3 km, it would be necessary to have heavily armored forts made of thick reinforced concrete every 5 to 6 kilometers. Such forts built at strategic points just 1 to 2 kilometers from the border can have unhindered visual surveillance of the whole border in addition to being able to machine gun anything along it. Such forts should be built according to highest civil engineering standards (eg. like flak tower) so that they can withstand a considerable attacking force. In addition they should be equipped with long range video surveillance systems, long range night vision, proximity warning sensors, land monitoring radar, electronic warning system, laser range finders, bullet proof windows, machine guns such as 12.7 mm Kord, sniper rifles such as Denel NTW-14.5, Toophan missiles, remotely controlled gun turret (or sentry gun), Mortar systems, internal parking for a couple of armored infantry fighting vehicles etc etc. All amenities from electricity (both grid and back up generator), food rations, monitions, communications, air conditioning etc etc must be provided. Such a fort would need only a small crew to operate and its training should be based on principles of “Crew Resource Management” and Submarine crew training to maximize their potential. Such a combination of force and technology would need only a small number of soldiers in its crew probably 10 to 12 men per fort but they would be able to stand up to an attack by couple of hundred armed men. With crews stationed for 3 to 4 weeks and then relieved by a fresh crew, Iran would need only a small professional force to provide 24/7 control of its borders.

    e) The areas between these forts should have a barbed fence to prevent animal and innocent trespassing of occasional civilian into Iran then a deep and wide canal along it to prevent the vehicle traffic/smuggler trucks. The area behind the canal then should be heavily mined. A strip of a couple kilometers of high density minefield would be enough. Behind this mine field then should be a reinforced concrete wall. The forts would interrupt this setting every 5- 6 kilometers and allow a controlled passage way between Iran and the neighboring country. The forts should have a minmum height of 20 meters and their front area towards the border must have assemblies of “dragon teeth fortification” and electronic fence.

    f) There should be some sort of stand by air support whether by drones, helicopter gunships, ground attack air crafts that is available to the forts on their demand in less than a couple of hours as well as air medivac etc. A road should then run behind these forts to connect them all together. There should be regional command centers which would command these forts using secured communication links with central command managing the regional commands.

    Such an arrangement on all of Iran’s borders including Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq would probably cost Iran about 10-12 billion dollars to build. But once built, the operating cost would be very low for a century since such strong forts and plastic mines would stand operational for over a century without any additional costs. It will be only training, munitions and salaries of men to be paid, which would come to under a billion dollar a year. But the benefits are super great. No weapons will flow into Iran for criminals or for rebels as is happening in Syria. Smuggling as well as human and drug trafficking which are hurting Iranian economy, will completely stop. Only the drugs such as the heroin from Afghanistan cause probably over 10 billion dollars of economic damage to Iranian families every year directly and tens of billions of dollars indirectly. So such a system actually will save money for Iran. But then the Iranian commanders and planners are too stupid to think this way. That is why they contract-hire five poor kids for five years and send them on foot patrol with two rusting rifles and two broken rifles and a cloth tent to guard Iran’s borders while they themselves enjoy their rich lives in fort like houses in North Tehran driving bullet proof Mercedez Benz and BMW’s.

  199. Amir says:

    A crash-course in aggrandizement by Prof. Smith, October 18, 2014 at 9:59 pm
    Iran should spend this amount of time and resources to create this border “thing” (I have calculated its construction and maintenance costs, don’t bother yourselves with their accuracy, or else!) and Iran should do it. They wouldn’t do it because I) they are corrupt; II) they are muleteers and brick-layers (I don’t know what your deal is brick-layers! Have they done you any harm?).
    The most unsettling part about his comments is the section he mentions Dr. Zarif; currently the situation about Eastern borders is escalating and our military intelligence is accusing their Pakistani counterparts of actively or passively assisting the terrorists, and last night Pakistani officials demanded some explanations, and the proof for such accusations; deputy head of IRGC ground forces stated Iranian intelligence has provided the documents to the government. Some people argue this is precisely the fault of the government, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs particularly, who hadn’t conveyed Iran’s position on this issue.
    I skipped the point that Prof. Smith has made a number of mistakes in his assessments; IRGC is in control of the majority of the Iran-Pakistan border (not Law Enforcement forces or kids); what Martyr General Shoushtari initiated has begun to fruition and local Baluchi Basiji forces shone in the latest encounter with the terrorists; Takfiri ideology wouldn’t find a breeding ground among Iranian Sunnis (four of the five kidnapped soldiers were released on the initiative of the same Iranian Sunnis). I’m glad Prof. Smith knows many names like missiles, fence, electronic, mine, dragoon, etc; but I’m disappointed that he lacks perspective. He knows the characteristics of Toofan missile for sure, but that wouldn’t make him a strategist.
    And what Prof. Smith says is “cargo cult” par excellence; amassing missiles, helicopters, armored vehicles, and other sophisticated equipment, and assuming they would do the job for you. Iran is doing what it must do (not to mention there are trenches, machine gun nests, surveillance posts, drones, etc), and it would prevail ولو کره المشرکون

  200. Smith says:

    جواب ابلهان خاموشیست. استربانی که شعور نداره بفهمه که این کامنت مال وقتی بود که منطقه هنوز دست سپاه نبود و الان هم که ماشاا… دارن با دم یک کشور اتمی بازی میکنند به جای اینکه امنیت مرز را ببرند بالا. ارتش پاکستان دیروز داشت از عصبانیت کشته سربازشون دود بالا میکرد.

  201. Smith says:

    So much so for Iranian medical sciences. All BS and lies finally exposed:

    دلم می خواهد صفحات اول این کتاب را که در اینجا می گذارم، ولو با زحمت شده با دقت مطالعه کنید و به استدلال نویسنده را که زبان حال بسیاری از افراد دانشمند ما در طول یک قرن و نیم گذشته است، ببینید.
    اولا که این طب جدید مزخرف است.
    ثانیا غربی ها هرچه دارند از ما گرفته اند،
    ثالثا که اینها کار یهودی ها و برای تسلط برماست.
    رابعا آن که از وقتی درمانهای جدید آمده، بیماری ها بیشتر شده و همه در حال مرگ و میر هستند.

  202. Smith says:

    قرنها مشکل وبا در سفرهای تجاری و زیارتی از این طرف به آن طرف انتقال می یافت و هزاران هزار آدمی را به کام مرگ می کشاند تا آن که بحث قرنطینه مطرح شد و معاینات پزشکی و ریشه آن خشکانده شده است. حالا این که ویروس های جدید مانند ابولا و ایدز و غیره آمده معنایش این نیست که در طبیعت نبوده، بلکه بالاخره از جایی به آدمی منتقل شده و مشکل زا شده است. در این باره هم همان دانشمندان تلاش می کنند آنها را درمان کنند، اما در اینجا باز ما می گوییم که این پدرسوخته ها اینها را درست کرده اند که به جان ما بیندازند و …..

  203. Amir says:

    Prof. Smith says his comments on another site were related to the time that IRGC was not present at the Eastern borders (Gen. Shoushtari was there since several years ago), yet his comments contain passages about kidnapping of five Iranians border patrols; temporal continuity is very important Professor! Saying استربانی که شعور نداره بفهمه که این کامنت مال وقتی بود که منطقه هنوز دست سپاه نبود, is saying 1) IRGC was not there last year (a lie to cover up something) and 2) suggesting that he is a mule (I’m a physician and it’s very likely that I have taken care of one of Prof. Smith’s relatives at Emam Khomeini, Amir A’lam, Rouzbeh, Children’s Medical Center (Markaze-Tebbi Atfal), Bahrami, Farabi or Shari’ati hospitals).
    جواب ابلهان خاموشیست If telling the truth is idiocy, then by all means I’m an idiot.

  204. Amir says:

    Don’t take me wrong; I’m not proud of my academic degree; it would be useful if it helps me help others. I’ll be proud to be the lowliest brick-layer in this country, if that brick would be laid in the name of God. I’ll be proud to be the most humble of people’s servants.

  205. M.Ali says:

    Nasser says:
    October 18, 2014 at 6:11 pm

    Great post. Thanks for writing it up.

    Reading that, makes me picture a detective from an American cop show, where he puts pictures of all the players on the wall, with pins and threads running through them all, trying to figure out who killed the victim. That’s how it should be with the middle east.

  206. M.Ali says:

    Amir, congratulations on your first discussion with Smith. Be prepared for the incoming headache.

    Smith is a strange character. He is unique in that he defends Iran against the world, but has such a huge distaste and hatred for it, that it perplexes me. Discussions we had in the past involved how everyone in Iran is a bricklayer, cargo cult, rapists, and how we suck in economy, technology, progress, decision making, education, and yet, he suddenly goes and say, we need nukes to defend this cesspool of shit, corruption, haven for rapists, and criminals.

    Smith, sometimes fyi also, are the sort of people who get most angry and offensive when they watch football games of the team they love. They will curse and insult every action and move of the players of his team, they will shout obscenities at the coach for each of his alleged idiotic decision, and each few seconds, he will tell his unfortunate friends what simple decisions the coach could make that would make them win the cup. If only they would listen to him, those idiots, those morons, those worthless players and coaches that are letting him down by being so fucking stupid.

    We all know him. People like that are everywhere. There are employees at companies that from the second the come to work, insult the managers and the company they work in, until they leave, and act like if they were the CEO, with a few simple decisions, all the problems would be solved. They are there in parks, in cinemas, in government positions, in every city and every village. Smith, and to a lesser degree fyi, are not unique. They are so boringly average. Think on your family and friends, and I will guarantee you that you will find people like these two dudes that think they have the solution at hand and everyone is too stupid to realize it.

    Unfortunately, you might also notice that the loudest people are those with the least responsibility and authority in their work. Why is this? Because they have not experienced the ridicolous obstacles and difficulties that exist when one has to make decisions, and how it is much, much harder than what one assumed. The more I grew in the company I work at, the more I realized how wrong and naive I was. You soon realize that every action is tied to a million other consequences, and you can’t do what you think should be done for various reasons. Time, budget, human resources are all limited, to which you have to make the best use of them, which means not reaching your own targets because of constraints.

    Controlling land borders sounds like it would have an easy solution, why then does every country in the world have difficulties with it? In USA, there is an estimate half a million illegal entries into USA from the mexico border. This is the richest country in teh world we are talking about, who’s military budget is HUNDRED TIMES OF IRAN! How is that USA’s 20,000 Border Agents can’t control it, with the state of art technoloy?

    “Richard M. Stana, director of homeland security and justice issues at the Government Accountability Office (which is responsible for “auditing agency operations to determine whether federal funds are being spent efficiently and effectively”), told the Senate Homeland Security Committee yesterday that the federal government can actually prevent or stop illegal entries into the United States along only 129 miles of the 1,954-mile-long U.S.-Mexico border.”

    USA started constructed a fence in 2006 with cameras and all that cool shit, which cost them “with each mile costing the U.S. government about $2.8 million.”

    Even this was problemtic, because “In 2010, the initiative was terminated due to costs, after having completed 640 miles (1,030 km) of either barrier fence or vehicle barriers, that were either new or had been rebuilt over older, inferior fencing. The Boeing-built SBI-net systems of using radar, watchtowers, and sensors (without a fence or physical barrier) were scrapped for being over budget, full of glitches, and far behind schedule.”

    Now look at Iran. Our borders with Pakistan alone is 959 km. We humans, due to advancement of technology, sometimes forget how small we still are. This is why when an airplane went missing, everyone was surprised. How can we not find it? This is the 21st century! We have Google Map!

    But let me tell you what 959 km means. When I travel from Tehran to Shiraz by car, its 944 kms, and it takes me 9-10 hours by my own car. Look at the map of Iran, see the hundreds of cities and villages between Tehran and Shiraz.

    Anyway, that’s just Pakistan. 921 for Afghanistan too. 1599 for Iraq. Lets not forget Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Turkeminestan, where while we don’t have security issues, we do have smuggling too (where do you think all our alchohol comes from?).

    I’m not saying nothing has to be done. What I’m saying is that its so easy to sit behind a computer and type out angry solutions.

  207. M.Ali says:

    In other news,

    Wasn’t it helpful that USA sanctioned our oil two years ago? It forced government to rely less on oil revenue, and in turn, the sudden decrease in oil prices isn’t as a shock to our government than it could have been.

    But what about Saudi Arabia who’s 95% of government budget is based on oil?

  208. BiBiJon says:

    M. Ali, and Amir,

    I’m sure you know Iran, the epicenter of the Persian Cosmopolis (1), cannot and will not adopt Hebraic border security solutions that Zmith outlines. Cross border trade, development, prosperity, exchange of ideas, and kinship have served Iran for millennia and will continue to do so.


  209. Amir says:

    Dear M. Ali,
    Thanks for the heads-up!

  210. Amir says:

    BiBiJon says:
    October 19, 2014 at 7:27 am
    Very true! Very true! And particularly the security in the Eastern borders is tied to the cooperation of the local people, who have relatives on the other side of the border, and part of their income depends upon trade with the other side. Iranian Baluchis are, الحمدلله, wealthier than their relatives in Pakistan, and always lend them a hand. They freely enter Pakistan (if you can speak Baluchi, you don’t need a passport) and especially because Pakistani government doesn’t exert much control over Pakistani Baluchistan, this popular border control is doubly important.

  211. Amir says:

    M.Ali says:
    October 19, 2014 at 6:35 am
    A balanced argument, that was for sure. I could only make one comment; unlike the space between Tehran and Shiraz, southeast Iran is sparsely populated. East of Bam there are no major cities, till you reach Zahedan (Bam is an important city in logistics and supplying chain and the railroad to Sistan va Baluchestan passes through it; one reason why just after the devastating earthquake the security situation dramatically deteriorated in Kerman for a while). Absence of major urban centers makes re-supplying troops somewhat problematic. The second problem is terrain; Western borders are generally mountainous and densely populated, while Eastern borders are flat deserts with few natural obstacles, and this makes setting checkpoints or other defensive structures difficult. Fortunately these problems have been considered in the 14-point population document, and the governments would act accordingly, more or less.

  212. M.Ali says:

    I used to know people from Chahbahar. They’d travel freely between Iran & Pakistan. They’d be driven between the borders by professionals. Take this 1,000 km route of, as you say, desert barren terrain, place a trained, experienced driver with a Nissan Patrol, and have him drive at night, with their headlights off, and see if you can catch him.

    Needle in a haystack.

  213. fyi says:

    Smith says:

    October 18, 2014 at 9:59 pm

    I believe that the Iranian government has been building a “wall” of fortifications on the Eastern border; I am not sure how much of your ideas or similar ones are included in its design and constructions.

    5 years ago, all foreign nationals were expelled from Zahidan as well, for security reasons.

    But I agree with you that generally these countries around Iran think that Iran is weak and isolated and easy to kick.

    More generally, Iranians still need to develop on a mass scale a variety of internal combustion engines – including turbines for use in helicopter gunships for border protection (among other applications).

  214. fyi says:

    Smith says:

    October 19, 2014 at 12:47 am

    A fellow a generation older than I once mentioned he had heard denunciations of Einstein’s Theory of Relativity in sermons in the mosques decades ago – as a Jewish conspiracy.

    I suppose those raised on the absolute time and absolute space doctrines of Aristotle have difficulty accepting the malleability of both.

    But look at the bright side; ISIS now and Taliban then have discredit all such non-sense inside Iran.

  215. BiBiJon says:

    fyi says:
    October 19, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Can’t find my damn pills again!

    Yes, yes, yes. And I heard some big wig saying “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole [pregnancy] thing down.” That sermon was delivered here:

    Hopefully, ISIS and Taliban will discredit all such nonsense here too.

    denunciations of Einstein’s Theory of Relativity = “Iranians still need to develop on a mass scale turbines for use in helicopter gunships for border protection = land mines along borders.

    When you come up with “generally these countries around Iran think that Iran is weak and isolated and easy to kick,” do you not understand nobody can protect against random violence, and nothing will deter a determined provocateur trying to create conflict between neighboring countries. Strength has nothing to do with it. Your sermons have been discredited often times to suffice.

  216. fyi says:

    BiBiJon says:

    October 19, 2014 at 10:27 am

    One time, I think it was 3 years ago, Uzbekistan was preventing equipment for the Sangtoudeh dam to reach Tadjikistan.

    Iran promptly retaliated by preventing transshipment of goods to Uzbekistan until Uzbeks allowed the trains to continue on their journey.

    And then there was the case of gas from Turkmenistan.

    And Turkey actually had to be threatened with war before she desisted from certain policies that they were planning on implementing against Syria.

    And then of course there is India who still thinks that they she can kiss and make up with Iran.

    A nuclear-armed Iran that can produce a variety of internal combustion engines is what is needed.

    I realize that you may not understand the significance of the power to design and build internal combustion engines – others do.

  217. BiBiJon says:


    You are conflating responses to states and non-state actors. Don’t.

    As to combustion engines, you see the glass as half empty, and wax frustrated. Don’t.

  218. M.Ali says:

    If someone says something idiotic in the west, it’s hooray for freedom of speech, where difference of opinion, no matter how strange, is a cause for celebration.

    If someone does that in Iran, headlines around the world, as it becomes the Official Islamic Republic of Iran Statement, even if it is some 20 year old lowly government clerk in a corner of an office in a village of 100 families, who posts something stupid in his personal farsiblog who’s daily 2 visitors are himself to check if his blog works and Voice of America.

  219. M.Ali says:

    “Ebola may be part of God’s judgment for President Barack Obama’s alleged attempts to “divide Jerusalem,” said John Hagee, a San Antonio-based pastor and founder of Christians United For Israel.”

    fyi Logic: John Hagee is American, ergo this is America’s official statement.

  220. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    October 19, 2014 at 9:45 am

    That wall is basically just a wall. I have seen that.

    A typical aviation internal combustion engine is made up of over 10,000 components. Almost all of them from light weight alloys. Iran still can not produce dependable, car truck or train internal combustion engines. Aviation engines are currently outside the capability of cargo cult to copy, let alone design its own. (I had suggested somewhere that Iran should really get a good look at Toyota Production System).

    But building fortified structures at every 5 or 6 kilometers would mean only a total of one thousand such structures with minefields between them to cover all of Iran’s borders. Iran is full of brick layers and muleteers. At least in this technology we are khodkafa by the Grace of God. Put them in use and secure the border.

    Yes, for muleteers, it is all the fault of Jews and Christians. Their women use sanitary napkins invented by Jews and Christians. They fly around in flying machines, invented, innovated, designed, tested and produced by Jews and Christians. They take extreme pride of the highest admiration for Western cars (if you want to pick up the prettiest girl in any Iranian city and bang her, all you need is a western car). They use Western medicine and Western medical machines and Western created medical sciences. Their lives will not be any different than Taliban or ISIS if it was not for the graciousness and generosity of the West specially Christians and even more so the Jews who are the most productive people in sciences among all the religions.

    The only thing these muleteers have contributed to the world is their ecological footprint. Co2 producers. That is all they are. Not even a shred of contribution to humanity.

  221. M.Ali says:

    Surprise Fact: Official education books from Iran teaches about Christian & Jewish scientists and science.


    Also, books by said scientists are also sold in bookshops, and contrary to popular belief, they are not banned.

    WOAH!!!! UNREAL!!!

  222. James Canning says:


    I did not suggest Parliament did not back Blair in his backing of Bush’s ill-considered invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    You are mistaken, that the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with Israel’s illegal settlements in the West Bank. The mantra of the neocon warmongers who duped GW Bush included: “The road to Jerusalem runs through Baghdad”.

  223. James Canning says:


    You appear to believe the idiotic US invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with “protecting Israel”. In fact, “protecting Israel” was the primary reason for the US overthrow of Saddam Hussein.

  224. James Canning says:


    Obama clearly wants to maintain Iraq’s territorial integrity. I think you know that well enough.

  225. James Canning says:

    “Iran and the US: An Insider’s View”, on last week, is well worth reading. (By Peter Jenkins)

  226. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    October 19, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    Are you suggesting that the Parliament was also appeasing Bush?

    On what grounds, precisely, did the British Parliament approve the illegal invasion of another nation?

  227. Castellio says:


    Thank you for looking back to find your source on the corrupted journalists. I appreciate it.

    And Kooshy, I think you are right regarding the role played by the editors of the news agencies.

  228. fyi says:

    Mr. Smith:

    Creation is the creature of the God of Light, in Zoroastrian Tradition.

    Creation is not damned but Good & Beautiful per the Torah.

    The Quran does not dispute that – it is silent.

    Those who claim that the Creation is Damned are influenced by the doctrines of Mani; I should think.

    I know that some of the mystical doctrines of Islam as well portray the world as being in a state of corruption and change.

  229. Smith says:

    Dear fyi,

    After years of thinking, in my latest conclusion I have reached to this fundamental question: What is the purpose of our thinking ability? Or in a religious flavor of the question why God gave us this ability and the ability to choose? Did He want us to think or not? About what? To do what? And why? Islamic scholars in the past 13 centuries have not produced any answer for this. They have always been afraid of thinking and exercising the Freedom of Will by the people.

    Surely God must be joking with us, if He wanted us to think and create for ourselves cargo cults and lies. He would be a joker God also if He wanted us to regurgitate what He has told us and only what He has told us. After all He had the angles per stories for that kind of job. What was the purpose of this most powerful of all tools? To accuse this or that and blame this or that? To think about ways to throw acid into the face of pretty girls showing hair? To think how to sharpen knife and cut human throats? To wear a jacket and blow oneself cowardly among women and children? Is this it? Was this the purpose of this gift?

    Dear fyi, we did not have man like Thomas Aquinas who could teach us about these most fundamental issues. To teach us about believing not in charandiat, but in a world that runs according to a set of laws, discover-able by man and even more importantly understandable by man. That the man has been granted the FREE WILL, by God Himself and that NO ONE can take this away from man. Certainly not another man. That man can take charge of his world and command it.

    No one taught us, that I and every one else should be able to think, write and publish whatever we want in complete safety and security of our society without being afraid of acid being thrown in our faces or getting tortured. No one taught us that it is beautiful to think and imagine even if the result of that thinking and imagination is unsettling and disturbing to the deepest tradition of our forefathers. What Islamic scholars have always striven for is to reduce the people to unthinking, emotional and reactionary goons that we are seeing here on this very forum now.

    This will go on, I am afraid. Will go on. At least I am not seeing any hope in this generation and the one growing up right now. It is all one cargo cult layer inside another layer of cargo cult. The more you peel, the more numerous they become.

  230. Smith says:

    Canada to Ship Experimental Ebola Vaccine to World Health Organization:

    Scientists from a country 15,000 Km away are at work to solve a problem in Africa.

    What Iranians did today?

  231. kooshy says:

    Bravo PressTV for the finest journalism anywhere on the internet, even better than RT, keep up the good work brave PressTV reports inform the world with real truth.

  232. kooshy says:

    “What Iranians did today?”

    Like in past 35 years they have been working hard to bring down the illegitimate apartheid entity of Israel and her supports, by pulling off of its rotten foundation one brick by one Iranian bricklayer every day.

  233. kooshy says:

    Next time I go to Iran as a trip present “Soghat” for Dr. Jafarian (who I have had conversation with in past and have a lot of respect for) I will take some of the Sunday evangelical on TV medical healing that gets broadcast throughout US and Canada, like this one by originally from Israeli Benny Hinn . So he knows that the religious claims for curing and healing medical complications are not unique to Islam and Shih charlatans, it is and has been practiced by every religion since the biting of the time.

    I have written here in the past, since I know Dr. Jafarian (a very well informed and respected research historian of Shieh Islam) I know for fact that he writes and points he makes in his blog is not intended for demonizing an entire nation or religion like what Warm up act intends to do. Never less Dr. Jafarian as a clergy is doing the right thing writing the use and abuse of the religion in this context.

  234. Empty says:


    Good posts. Thank you. By the way, arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand. So, don’t be surprised if you see people who کبر می ورزند to also make statements that are inaccurate at best and, at worst, they insist on their points no matter what the facts show. After all, Iblis fell because of its arrogance and its refusal to bow to a creature made up of bricks called Adam.

  235. Amir says:

    Empty says:
    October 19, 2014 at 11:06 pm
    Thanks a lot! You’re too kind! I must watch myself, too. Arrogance can corrupt anyone. Between ourselves, I’d retract the part I wrote about his relatives (but like the arrow that has left the bow, you cannot take back what you have said).

  236. A-B says:

    Re. Sammy’s post (October 17, 2014 at 6:44) on the – highly dangerous and IMO ‘masocistic’- neo-liberal tendencies in Iranian economy advocated by the so-called ‘reformists’, I refer to Nader Talebzadeh’s interview with Hassan Abbasi (Iranian TV show Raz on IRIB4, 26 Tir 1393, i.e. July 17, 2014). I believe he refers to this article in Washington Post (iranian-academics-embrace-us-sociologist-in-rare-visit/2014/03/03) re. Immanuel Wallerstein’s visit to and lecture given in Iran (in March 2014?) who noted that “some liberal-minded Iranian SCHOLARS(!!!)” didn’t want him to ‘thrash’ or ‘bad-mouth’ (reads: tell the truth about) the failure in Western economies. We read:

    “Wallerstein noted, however, that some liberal-minded Iranian scholars who attended his talks told him that his views are dangerous because conservatives here often use his argument about a declining U.S. to justify not liberalizing, but such readings missed his point.”

    Another – important and highly regretable – point Milani implies is that Iranian academia HAS TO invite Western academics or ‘pundits’ to tell the obvious otherwise Rohani & Co (i.e. the oh-so-MODERN and reform-minded Eye-rainians) would label them as ‘illiterate’ like they usually and arrogantly do to any Iranian who disagrees with them (so that the ‘gods’ of the West may look upon them favorably … which ‘they’ of course NEVER do!!) IOW, according to the Iranian notorious xenophilia, Truth sounds better from a foreign mouth than an Iranian one. The result of this is what happened in case of Gareth Porter and his attendence in the New Horizon conference in Iran; thus, in fact, Truth may be tainted when it comes from the West!


  237. A-B says:

    Milani??? It should be Abbasi, of course.

  238. Rehmat says:

    On Sunday, Zionist president Reuven Rivlin admitted that epidemic of violence has spread like cancer in every sector of Israeli society.

    “It’s time to honestly admit that Israeli society is violent and sick and it’s our duty to cure this disease,” Rivlin said in a speech at the Israel Academy of Science and Humanities.

  239. fyi says:

    Smith says:

    October 19, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    Many of those Islamic scholars, in fact, were afraid of free thinking lest the entire structure of society and morality with it break down.

    All these men think and act out of Fear – in the Quran 30 times and in the New Testament 300 times men are advised and urged not to be fearful.

    Un-thinking has many causes, Laziness & Fear.

    All thinkers of Islam have been from peripheral sects of Islam (the Shia) or from the peripheral regions of Islam such as North Africa.

    [The late Ibn Khalduns systemic approach to history in the t14-th century was not taken up again until the 19-th century by the late Baron de Tocqueville – who was in turn expanded on by the late Lev Gumilev and presently by Dr. Peter Turchin.]

    Coincidentally, I was reading a book on Saturday by the late John M. Robertson called “A History of Free Thought – Ancient and Modern” – published in 1899 – which endeavors to show how difficult it has been to establish the rights of men to free inquiry.

    In passing, he mentions Persia and the opinion of some European observers that they (the Persians) are the only people among Muslims who are likely to progress through a dose of rationalism….

  240. fyi says:

    Smith says:

    October 19, 2014 at 8:59 pm

    I think your question is generally valid and not just for Iran but all these other Muslims states or anyone else.

    Why is little Cuba willing and able to help in Liberia but not China or Russia or UK or India or Indonesia?

    But specifically for today, I think Iran and her allies are in the middle of several wars and thus have no responsibility to do anything for Liberia or anyone else.

  241. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    October 20, 2014 at 9:29 am

    Well, morality is almost gone in Iranian society and so has gone social values like honesty and compassion. So why not allow free thinking now as well.

    I do not dispute that Iran is in a much better situation than many other nations for example this one:

    But I do not think this is enough. Iran should do much more.

    I know that Iran will not be in a position to solve the problems of the world any time soon, but at least they should solve their own problems. Are they? Or the cargo cult as always is begging to be given aircrafts and parts and medicines and everything else from America and then roar up the chants of “Death to America”.

  242. Smith says:

    The nokar, for rent mass murderer kills PressTV reporter:

    All for exposing the truth about their maliciousness.

  243. James Canning says:


    Tony Blair went around normal practice (decisions in Cabinet) and, instead, emulated American presidential style, to set up Parliament’s backing of the illegal US invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    I take it you agree a primary purpose of the US invasion of Iraq was to “protect” Israel.

  244. Sammy says:

    Dr.Abbasi’s performance in the New Horizon confrence was brilliant , as usual.
    His main message of course, that Western neo-liberal/Fed satanic money system , usury all related issues ( which we often discussed here) are a DIRECT war against God Almighty.

  245. Smith says:

    Sammy says:
    October 20, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    So what is the solution? Say we dismantle modern money theory, what we are going to replace it with? Any economist in Iran having published even a single breakthrough article in the past 50,000 years?

    All talk and gossip and no ideas. No imagination. No thinking.

    Once on this very forum, I criticized the usury saying that it is a war against God then an unthinking muleteer attacked me, saying whatever IRI is doing is correct even usury. I had suggested that Iran should really take a hard look and start to make at least a theoretical framework for a monetary unit based on energy. Say a unit of money would be equal to this much of thermal natural gas or a kilowatt of electricity. It makes sense since Iran is an energy rich country.

    Gossip is cheap. Thinking and imagination are what is lacking.

    At any rate, no problem in an economic system can be solved by changing the monetary system. A modern economy is founded upon value for human resources and products of thinking and provides services to citizens by a taxation system. None of these exist in Iran.

    Again populist gossip is just that.

  246. fyi says:

    Smith says:

    October 20, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    There is, of course, the alternative of organizing Merchant Banks and having the state guarantee savings of the depositors up to a fixed ceiling.

    Depositors could either be treated as share-holders or investors.

    The bank would them invest in various endeavors and distribute its profits as the ventures become profitable.

  247. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    October 20, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    I have no problem with that. My problem is with Iranian people not being able to distinguish between unthinking cheap gossip and thinking beautiful ideas. Between wet dreams and scientific imagination. Between jaheliyya static traditions of theirs and quest for ever innovating inquiry.

  248. Smith says:

    Dear fyi,

    I have a question for you. Where this super strong sense of entitlement comes from amongst the Iranians that we see? That they are entitled to everything out there, while they have had no shred of a share in its development. The entitlement to badmouth and blame others while Iranians themselves have nothing to show for except producing CO2 day in and day out. Is this something that is inherent in Iranian culture?

  249. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    October 20, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    Are you intimating that British democratic processes were subverted by Tony Blair, for a hideous crime?

  250. Jay says:

    Sense of entitlement, otherwise known as, Narcissistic personality disorder:

    “People who are diagnosed with a narcissistic personality disorder are characterized by exaggerated feelings of self-importance.

  251. James Canning says:


    Tony Blair’s failure to follow normal procedure was no secret. And it did make it much easier for him to back Bush’s ill-considered invasion of Iraq.

  252. kooshy says:

    “Tony Blair’s failure to follow normal procedure was no secret. And it did make it much easier for him to back Bush’s ill-considered”

    Gav James
    I hear you Gav. James you are right no one can do a good normal procedure invading of Iraq like our old pal Winston Churchill did, as we all know the Brit’s normal approved procedure is to be first to bomb Iraq with freshly Manchester brewed chemical arsenal.
    Fortunately Tony the the war criminal was never able to raise to level of chemical Winston.

  253. fyi says:

    Smith says:

    October 20, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    Oil income.

    It has spoilt them.

  254. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    October 20, 2014 at 8:35 pm

    Oh, I see. That is where their arrogance and their pathological narcissistic self-entitlement comes from. A geological accident. They present themselves as owner of the world all the while breathing out CO2 remains their only contribution to the world. Polluters of the air.

    The sooner this oil runs out or is completely embargoed, the better for these spoiled addicts. Where repeated invitation to thinking and innovation by intellectual prophets have failed, I guess hunger and destitute should do the trick to break their egotism and compulsive self-praise, bringing them back to earth. After all, the nations that failed to listen to their prophets were given the ultimate punishments.

    And no, all your efforts to do a deal with “Great Satan” will fail. Satan can not save you now, from the punishment that is coming your way. No matter how much you beg him with tear in your eyes or lick his feet.

  255. Sammy says:

    @GAV canning

    Your insight is highly appreciated as usual :

    “Britain will not charge pedophiles that possess child abuse images because of the high volume of people engaging in such activities…

  256. Smith says:

    Paralysed man walks again after cell transplant :

    What Iranians did today?

  257. Amir says:

    I swear this would be the last time that I write something about Prof. political analyst, strategist, super-duper high-seas five star rear-admiral super carrier commander, Field Marshal von Smith, but the British are going the way we brick-layers are crawling back from, see link:

    Unfortunately, I, unlike Field Marshal Smith cannot bring myself to cite scientific reports from news outlets such as the respectable BBC (seriously, I cant! If my colleagues find out, they’ll shun me). A common problem with stem cells is the difficulty with controlling their differentiation; this man could get cured, or could develop a tumor. I could say Iranians are doing something today that the British could be doing in five years, to the day.
    But joking aside, I do not want to argue with or prove Worshipful Master Mason, Nobel Laureate, Professor, Doctor, and recently Prophet Smith; I’m not in a personal brawl with him. Also, he makes some very good points: he says don’t expect stuff from the West, and curse them at the same time, which is a sound advice, even from a lunatic.
    He says Iran should be advanced and powerful and fit anti-riot vehicles with flamethrowers, and I only find the last suggestion somewhat questionable. He suggests acquiring high-tech “stuff”, and although I sense he is more fascinated by shiny objects and doesn’t care much about their usefulness (he is modernity-crazed), but overall I don’t object what he preaches.
    My problem is General Smith’s ambitions; what he wants to do with these “toys”. He preaches an Orwellian type of government, a modern, industrial tyranny, doing what the US is currently doing. And that, my friend, wouldn’t bode well for anyone.
    The US government has 1.2 trillion dollars to spend on developing an aircraft with dubious benefits and capabilities, but cannot settle the Somalian problem, and this is something that must make us all very fearful; material wealth doesn’t necessarily equate welfare for mankind. It would take 1 billion US$ for five years to design the next generation of anti-tuberculosis medications, or multi-drug resistant TB would take the world back to the 19th century, when patients with TB were sent to Dar-Abad (Masih Daneshvari hospital). The latest broad-spectrum antibiotic (3rd generation cephalosporins) were developed in the 1970s, and it seems nobody has any money for these trivial issues.
    I just want to make it clear that I’m not talking about a personal problem with someone else; a month ago they were saying they would test a medicine without FDA-approval was going to be tested on Ebola patients. It would be nasty and contemptible to celebrate others’ death and misery, because someone’s rival has been humiliated. I sincerely hope the new Canadian medicine would help the Ebola patients.

  258. Karl.. says:


    “What Iranians did today?”

    What is the point though? Being creative just to get credit by the western world? Or what is so important in your opinion about this?

  259. BiBiJon says:

    Iran’s position is incredibly favorable

    When you take a snapshot of any changing situation, of course one has to concede any current advantage is ephemeral. But, lets take stock …

    On the nuclear issue, Iran is in a position where it could easily turn around and accept all of US’ conditions (a nightmare for Obama). Having proven that she CAN, Iran has accomplished 99% of her objectives. She has developed the necessary technologies, the know how, and a deep bench of scientists and technologists and managers that have allowed the indigenous development of her nuclear energy industry to be decades ahead of her peers. Even without a single centrifuge spinning, future suppliers of nuclear reactor fuel will know they cannot price gouge without causing Iran to reconstitute an industrial scale enrichment program in a very short time.

    On international relations, the long line of suitors bearing gifts (compromises) deserves a Persepolis stone relief of its own. Whether it is China, Russia, US, EU, India whose outlooks are tilting away from quarrel toward cooperation, or whether it is lesser countries, e.g. Kyrgyzstan, who are eying Iran as a bridge to the open seas, everybody seems to want something that only Iran can offer.

    On the people to people front, if it weren’t the NY Times’ reporter guided tours, if it weren’t the Danube Express luxury train heading to Tehran from Budapest, surely the significant rise in tourism is going to put paid to the demonization of all things Iranian.

    On the anti-Islamic front even Ben Afflek takes umbrage at the Bill Mahers of this world. The ugliest comedian on the planet was trying to equate majorities of Moslems who approve of capital punishment for apostasy, with majorities being willing executioners. Conveniently forgetting to mention that the same poll showed majorities to be tolerant of other religions, Maher was trying to say the equivalent of the applause for Rick Perry’s ‘Ultimate Justice’ at the 2012 Republican debate showed Republicans informed by evangelical Christianity are wide-eyed crazies whose second income comes from operating electric chairs. The anti-Islam crap has reached such high stench levels that has turned off most thinking people, and has put the bigots under scrutiny.

    To think we are where we are, after untold million$ spent on demonizing Iran, not including the sheqel or two that Schmiffed gets paid, brings a smile to my face.

    Whereas the mantra has been that Iran has to prove this and that, and give confidence to her adversaries, etc., the reality of her current advantageous situation is that the shoe now is on the other foot: Iran’s adversaries have to prove their changed stripes; Iran has too many suitors to embrace anyone undeserving.

  260. fyi says:

    Smith says:

    October 20, 2014 at 9:25 pm

    In fact, a very similar sentiment to yours was voiced by the late Mr. Khomeini; he mused how beneficial for Iran it would be if they did not sell oil for 15 years.

    Necessity is the Mother of Invention, as the saying goes.

    Iraq engineers kept their oil industry going all the while that US, China, EU, and Russia were waging a merciless and savage economic siege war against their society.

    Iran, under the late Dr. Mossadeq’s government, was exporting pomegranates peels (an ingredient for natural die) to survive the economic siege war of UK against Iran and the Iranian people.

    I think once it becomes clear even to the weak-minded in Iran that the siege war against Iran will not end any time soon, we will see more creativity and nimbleness in Iran.

    US, EU, Russia, China, and India are teaching great lessons to Iran and the Iranian people.

    [If those countries were smart, they would have left Iranians alone to remain in their slumber….]

  261. James Canning says:


    You say that the sanctions against Iran will remain in place, but you omit to mention you want those sanctions to remain in place.

    Russia, China, Germany welcome a richer and stronger Iran. Provided it limits its nuclear programme.

  262. James Canning says:


    You seem a bit obsessed with sex.

  263. James Canning says:


    Winston Churchill did not “invade Iraq”.

  264. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    October 21, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    A strong country is one that can defend itself against any and all enemies.

    Russia and Germany – like US and the rest of EU as well as India – do not welcome a strong Iran.

    They want an Iran that can be easily manipulated or threatened.

    The entire course of events since 2003 has been the prevention of the rise of a new (Muslim) power with strategic autonomy in the Near East.

    That aim is shared by US, EU, Russia, and India.

    US, furthermore, aims to destroy that power not just to weaken it.

    Until and unless US strategic planners reconcile themselves with the new Shia/Irani power nothing will improve in the Middle East.

  265. BiBiJon says:

    fyi says:

    “A strong country is one that can defend itself against any and all enemies.” Check. Iran is that country.

    “Russia and Germany – like US and the rest of EU as well as India – do not welcome a strong Iran [who is antagonistic towards them].” William Burns and his Iranian interlocutors have arrived at a way of the two sides living side-by-side.

    “They want an Iran that can be easily manipulated or threatened.” This is the simplistic truism that frankly astonishes rather than informs debate. Everybody and their bros want weakness in the other guy. But, they will only try up to a point — you only have 2 feet to shoot yourself at. We have gone past that point, and here we are: time for accommodation.

    “The entire course of events since 2003 has been the prevention of the rise of a new (Muslim) power with strategic autonomy in the Near East.” Big words, are like big farts. The entire course of events past 2003 have included Iran and US working hand-in-glove to put Maliki in power, for one instance.

    “That aim is shared by US, EU, Russia, and India.” Repeat until people are bored into submission. It is the prerogative of ALL states, Iran included, to clip the feathers of their rivals.

    “US, furthermore, aims to destroy that power not just to weaken it.” According to what ability to act and what demonstrated ability to manage the consequences. And don’t resort to the “mad king” theory. Please.

    “Until and unless US strategic planners reconcile themselves with the new Shia/Irani power nothing will improve in the Middle East.” They have reconciled.

  266. James Canning says:


    I think you are well aware that many hundreds of corporations from around the planet want entry to Iranian marketplace in order to do business and help build the Iranian economy in the process.

    Notion that Germany, China, Russia do not welcome a richer Iran is silly. In my judgment.

  267. James Canning says:


    And again: ISRAEL would welcome a good bashing of Iran, to facilitate expansion of its illegal colonies of Jews in the West Bank.

  268. fyi says:

    BiBiJon says:

    October 21, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    Keep telling yourself that, may be you can come to believe all of this stuff.

  269. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    October 21, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    Mr. Khamenei has stated his parameters for a nuclear deal.

    It is US call now.

  270. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    October 21, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    The notion that Germany, China, Russia (and EU) do welcome a stronger Iran is silly. In my judgment – it is not even a fantasy.

  271. BiBiJon says:

    fyi says:
    October 21, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    Is that the best you can offer?

    James Canning says:
    October 21, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    “And again: ISRAEL would welcome a good bashing of Iran, to facilitate expansion of its illegal colonies of Jews in the West Bank.”

    JC001 v 2.1 isn’t Netanyahu’s incessant attempts at ‘linkage’ enough that you have to keep doing it too?

  272. Smith says:

    Karl.. says:
    October 21, 2014 at 8:22 am

    “What is the point though?”

    The point is that, Iranians should wake up after 800 years of slumber, lies, BS and unthinking.

    “Being creative just to get credit by the western world?”

    You do not become creative to be given credit. Not at all. You become creative, innovative and contemplative to reach your very own beautiful ideals, solving your own and others’ problems. Not to internalize someone else’s ideals, as Iran and many other third world countries like her are doing right now by begging for everything western from the latest iPhone to latest medicines to latest cars to latest aircraft to latest makeup to latest asss cream to latest back hole lubricant.

    You have never been to Iran, I guess. They worship the creativity of West and feel super-entitled to be given all the Western goodies exactly like a cargo cult would demand. Even the staunchest unthinking muleteer when gets seriously sick, demands to be treated by American knowledge, American medical machines and American medicines. After all nothing concentrates the faculty of mind like the prospect of dying. But then they roar up in chants of “Death to America” afterwards.

    I do not see any beauty, rationality, or dignity in that. Do you?

    “what is so important in your opinion about this?”

    My opinion is so fundamental that without it, there is no chance IRI will survive. As a third world country, you can not survive on empty claims to morality and preaching how super powers must live their lives, all the while depending on those super powers for the most basic needs of your society. Be these super powers, America, China, Russia, NATO, UN, etc etc.

    First set your own house in order. Blaming Jews and Christians and Communists and Atheists will not get you far. At the end of the day, the question is:

    What did Iranians do today?

    Their supposedly brightest scientists pay a few hundred dollars to have a meaningless and useless “scientific article” to be written by one of those thousands of professional article writers in Tehran and then publish it in a journal so that they can get some benefits by claiming a published article in their name. No experimentation or creativity is necessary of course. That is why nothing comes out of Iran. Nothing has come out for the past 800 years. If you ask me even 8000 years or even 80,000 years. It does not matter. Compared to Western creativity, Iranians have done no better than earth worms or lady-beetles. In fact one can argue that these insects have been much more beneficial to the world.

  273. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    October 21, 2014 at 10:10 am

    One would like to hope they learn this lesson being taught to them at great costs. But judging by how Iranians are reacting, I do not see much reason for hope.

    One could only hope that they were as good a student as Germans or Japanese to learn their lessons. Or even as good as Chinese and Russians. But I am sorry, I am not seeing that.

    The cargo cult is so incredibly strong. They really believe that by doing some deals and trying to convert the West into their cult ideology and showing the West its bad ways, they can get their goodies and go about their unthinking lives as they have done for thousands of years. These are not the signs of a persistent student trying to learn and get creative.

  274. fyi says:

    Smith says:

    October 21, 2014 at 6:38 pm

    Yes, it can be at times frustrating.

    Just imagine how much worse it was during the years in between World War I and World War II.

    The late Sadiq Hedayat coind the phrase: “ملت خر در چمنی”

  275. fyi says:


    God forbid that they concentrate on the internal combustion engine….

  276. Rehmat says:

    French philosopher, author and anti-Imperialist activist Thierry Meyssan in a recent article has accused Iranian president Sheikh Hassan Rouhani for sabotaging Imam Khomeini‘s anti-Imperialist 1979 Islamic Revolution by pulling Iran out of the ‘Axis of Resistance’ alliance later nurtured by Ayatullah Ali Khamenei and Rouhani’s predecessor Dr. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Meyssan has claimed that Rouhani administration under the cover of a P5+1 and Iran nuclear deal is pushing Iran into Western imperialist world dominated by the US and Israel.

    “Contrary to a simplistic idea spread by Atlanticist propaganda, the Islamic Revolution was not made ​​with the Shiite clergy, but against both it and the Shah. Even the clergy described the Ayatollah Khomeini as “schismatic” until it followed the popular movement and eventually went along with the imam. Relations between the revolutionaries and the clergy soured again during the war imposed by Iraq at the time, the Guardians of the Revolution-including Mahmoud Ahmadinejad- noticing that the children of the clergy were absent from the front,” Meyssan said.

  277. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    October 21, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    So illustrative, so apt, so sad and yet so relevant.

    One wonders if Iranians did not understand and wake up, despite having been shaken by such men for this long, then what are we doing here?

    A khar nation, who can not think beyond their daily fix of alaf.

    A line up of mass produced internal combustion engines for different applications? Too much to ask from this khar nation.

    They would rather lick the bottom of Peugeot and Chinese manufacturers than ever muster the courage to undertake a serious effort at learning to invent and innovate.

    The other khar here, is begging with tearful eyes, in his jumbled up scribbling (can not even write in straight readable paragraphs/ reminds me of how 8 year olds write), for the West to create new antibiotics to cure mutli-drug resistant TB. As if Isoniazid or quinolones had been invented by forefathers of this khar. As if beta-blockers were invented by grandma of this khar. As if it is his khar nation that invented all that is around us from internal combustion engines to microprocessors at the heart of the air craft autopilot systems. What this khar does not understand, is that he is just another cargo cult worshiping and begging the West because he and his nation do not have it in themselves to even come up with a single effective biosimilar medicine let alone gifting the world a whole new class of antibiotics or antineoplastics.

    It is so sad really. So sad. Heart breaking.

  278. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    October 21, 2014 at 10:10 am

    “I think once it becomes clear even to the weak-minded in Iran that the siege war against Iran will not end any time soon, we will see more creativity and nimbleness in Iran.”

    I was thinking about this scenario that you said. I just can’t wait.

    When do you think the weak-minded Iranians will reach this inevitable conclusion?

  279. kooshy says:

    BiBiJon says:
    October 22, 2014 at 6:30 am

    Looking at the beautiful images you linked, I suddenly realized theses bricklayer, and muleteers Iranians for over 800 years were doing nothing except seating on their asses and looking and begging the west.
    On the other hand warm up act and his Zio mentor Fyd’s western mentors in the blessed west (you read Israel) were busy inventing goods and science and killing innocent infant children by 1000’s. Don’t forget Zio’s kinds in Israel they do their children killing scientifically, with modernity without the need to beg for help and equipment from anyone. So since you already know, you don’t need to ask “what did Israelis did today”

  280. fyi says:

    BiBiJon says:

    October 22, 2014 at 6:30 am

    There is a mathematical theory behind tiling – developed over the last few decades by Western mathematicians such as Professor Penrose – see please

    Some of the ceramic tiles in Iranian mosques follow such patterns as described by Dr. Penrose.

    Which brings me to this point:

    گیرم پدر تو بود فاضل،
    از فضل پدر تو را چه حاصل