The Ukraine Crisis and the Future of Iran-Russia Relations

Relations with Russia have always been one of the more complicated aspects of the Islamic Republic’s foreign policy.  Following the Iranian Revolution, a fledgling Islamic Republic under severe threat from the United States began cultivating closer relations with Moscow in the late 1980s—even before the Soviet Union’s final collapse—and continued doing so after the Soviet Union had given way to the Russian Federation.  Yet, while the Islamic Republic has a clear interest in positive relations with Russia, Iranian policymakers have always been skeptical that their Russian counterparts really welcome Iran’s emergence as an independent regional power; they have also watched Moscow periodically compromise relations with Tehran to curry favor with Washington.

Last week, as the Ukraine crisis heated up, both Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif, and President Hassan Rohani’s chief of staff, Mohammad Nahavandian, made statements—see here and here—pointedly noting that Iran would be a reliable energy supplier for Europe.   It strikes us as tactically smart, especially in the context of the Ukraine crisis, for Tehran to highlight its interest in accessing European energy markets—and, in the process, to underscore for Moscow and others that Iran has options for promoting its economic and strategic goals.  After all, if Iran’s relations with the West improve, Russia may have to “work harder”—that is, provide more tangible payoffs to Tehran—to maintain the kind of relationship with the Islamic Republic that Moscow wants.

But there is also a risk that Iran could be perceived as putting itself forward to help the West—against Russia—on a matter that Moscow considers a vital interest.  For an important analysis of Washington’s refusal to respect post-Soviet Russia’s core security interests, see here for an interview with the brilliant Russia scholar Steve Cohen.  (The interview with Cohen starts 4:53 into the linked video, after an interview with former U.S. ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul.)

So how will the Ukraine crisis affect the Kremlin’s calculations about Russia’s Iran policy?  On this point, we want to highlight a provocative analytic piece, see here, published last week by Fyodor Lukyanov.  (Lukyanov—among other things, the editor of Russia in Global Affairs, chairman of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, and a member of the Russian Council for International Affairs—is, in our experience, an exceptionally interesting analyst of Russian Middle East policy.)  We also encourage all of you to weigh in with your views.

–Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett


290 Responses to “The Ukraine Crisis and the Future of Iran-Russia Relations”

  1. khomeini says:

    To all

    Ukraine crisis, seen through the lens of political-economy, is off-course an opportunity for Iran. It is an excellent time for Iran to re-offer its huge natural gas to EU market – the offer EU has declined to take, at the expense of its interest, due to uncle Sam’s hegemonic pressure.

    The more Russia pushes deep into Crimea, the more the chance for Iran to push for gas sale to EU. Realistically, even if EU miraculously manage to belly bounce uncle Sam, Iran’s gas export to EU through pipelines cannot start in immediate future because of a) the time needed to build such long pipe over great distance; b)Syria needs to be pacified first so that pipeline construction can begin – the pipeline begins in Iran (from south pars)and travels through Iraq, Syria, Mediterranean sea, Cyprus, Greece and mainland EU.

    Well, someone may say what about taking the pipeline through Turkey. Yes, that is a possibility and that is very much wanted by won-a-bee Sultan Erdagon and will be supported by Iran as well. But Iran does not want a single pipeline to EU, as far as I know, rather wants multiple routes to EU – especially the route through Iraq and Syria because of politically alliance of later two with Iran. Syria also has inked a deal with Iran to receive natural gas; it would make perfect sense to extend the Syrian pipeline (once it is built) to EU. Relying only on Turkey is not a wise idea, after all shallow Erdagon and Co. may decide to hijack the pipeline and make irrational demands from Iran – such as Iran should abandon resistance axis if it wants to export gas to EU through Turkish soil; anything is possible from crazy Turks !!.

    Having said all that liquified natural gas (LNG) can be shipped to EU almost immediately – again provided EU can ignore uncle Sam’s anti-Iran sanctions.

    Iran’s natural export to EU will also give Iran a strong hand to pressurize Russia to act more responsibly when dealing with Iran – things like not to take almost 2o years to build a nuclear power plant. At the same time Russian-Iran understanding on gas supply to EU can act as a policy tool in favor of both countries to gain political leverage over EU and shrink US role in Europe – this can play out in long term.

    Therefore, Iran should take advantage of Ukrainian crisis and pursue gas export possibility to EU even if there is less probability of it happening in near future.

  2. fyi says:

    khomeini says:

    March 9, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    This is a pipe-dream; Iran exporting gas to EU.

    That game is over.

    Iran should take side with Russia against the Axis Powers.

  3. Jay says:

    Mr. Lukyanov’s discussion of the various possible scenarios is useful, but is lacks the necessary weight of evidence.

    Russians have now seen that the very regime of sanctions they reluctantly supported against Iran, for example, has come knocking on their doors. If they needed any jolt of reality after Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Georgia, … The jolt has been received and recognized. The remaining question for Russia and Putin is the extent to which they are able and willing to push back against the West’s imperial fantasy. In my view, the Russians are willing and the only question is whether or not they are able to mount a serious push back.

    If Iran is intent on protecting her independent path and policy, Iran cannot and should not consider the West as a partner – simply because the imperial fantasies of the West are bare for all to see. While choosing the diplomatic language with the West, Iran must strengthen her relationship with Russia and China. This is desirable by Russia and China both – as Chinese must fee somewhat more vulnerable as well under the circumstances.

  4. Jay says:

    Correction: “Chinese must fee …” should be “Chinese must feel …”

  5. fyi says:

    The Leveretts:

    The statements of Messers Rouhani and Zarif are meant to fish from muddy waters; propagandizing EU leaders and populations to the possibility of Iranian gas.

    In reality, there is zero probability of Iranian gas reaching Europe in any meaningful quantity any time soon ( less than 5 years).

    And there is zero probability of the Russians cutting off gas supplies to EU; that was always a canard.

    Everyone understands that, including Russians.

    I think this confrontation now between Axis Powers and the Russian Federation over Ukraine will continue certainly during the remaining years of Mr. Obama’s presidency.

    For Iran, I think, it means the P5+1 negotiations will now have very little prospects of terminations; Russians now have an extra incentive to keep the bone in the flesh, just like the Axis Powers.

    Iranian Nuclear File again has been moved into the realm of Unsolvable – may be under the next next US President when the disposition of Ukraine has been decided – one way or another – we will see some movement.

    But the Axis Powers evidently remain committed to policy of Regime Destruction against Syria and Iran as well as Regime Change in Ukraine and Russia.

    They are waging a strategic struggle against the Shia Crescent and the Rus – which will not succeed – the logistical lines are too far.

  6. Nasser says:

    Fyodor Lukyanov writes in the article the Leveretts cited: “Russia will not interfere with the diplomatic process that began last fall, but it will try to win over Iran with offers of much greater strategic cooperation. Iran has long said that Russia is insincere when it talks about wanting friendly relations with Tehran, because ultimately it always looks back at Washington. Now there is a chance that Moscow will no longer do this and that it will chart a course toward closer and more comprehensive contacts with Iran.”

    – I hope this is indeed true.

    But Russia I think has always viewed Iran as a bargaining chip with Washington to be traded away for the right price (that price being respect for Russia’s core interests and zone of influence in the former Soviet sphere). One can just read some of Dr. Lukyanov’s previous commentary on Iranian nuclear aspirations to get some feel for this. But Washington’s real intentions have always been to knock down Iran-Russia-China; in that order. Events in Georgia, and now Ukraine should make this obvious to the Russians.

    I don’t think the Chinese are as concerned though and Iran shouldn’t hope for any substantive help from them. But I am still harbor some hope that after having Russia’s fundamental interests threatened in such a brazen way they would be willing to rethink their approach to Iran and thus restore some balance to Middle East politics.

  7. yk says:

    You don’t need to be a genius to realize that Iran is the only counterbalance to Russia’s hold on EU supply of gas. Iran is fiercely independent and a reliable supplier.

    The political will is lacking on the part of the EU because most EU state are semi independent, they will never cross Washington dictate on foreign policy even at the expense of their people’s wellbeing.

    This course of action cannot be sustained as we saw in London in an attempt to wage war on Syria, though it might take a generation for such policy to be eradicated.

  8. fyi says:

    Nasser says:

    March 9, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    Russians will not bargain Iran away although they will bargain over Iran.

    There is a limit to how far they will support the weakening of Iran which exposes their Southern borders to Axis Powers’ machinations.

    Mr. Putin basically has warned Axis Powers that strategic cooperation with them by Russia is at stake.

    I think Axis Powers leaders have not heeded his warning and are proceeding to further escalatory steps.

  9. Jay says:

    Russian and Chinese, separately and jointly, will bargain over Iran – but, with a changed term sheet.

    Mr. Obama’s approach of opening another front, to pressure and distract Russia, could turn out to be a pivotal mistake should Russia continue to support the push of Crimea’s independence.

  10. yk says:


    Some thing the Russians as found out to be false to their dismay. The policy of using Iran as a bargaining chip only reveal Russia’s weakness as it can only be effective in a bi-polar world.

    As for the Chinese, relying on them is a fools errand. They cannot project any hard power beyond there immediate region, and just like the Russians they will bargain away for the right price.

  11. nico says:

    Not sure the Iranian position about supplying hydrocarbon to Europe is that meaningfull.
    That is typical tactical play and power balancing and adjustment.
    There is no strategic cooperation between Russia and Iran anyway and there is no positive relation between Europe and Iran.

    Iran core revolutionary policy is independence.

    At higher geopolitical level Iran interest is that Russia remains strong and independent in order to counter balance the NATO alliance.
    Offering hydrocarbon to Europe will not change that reality.

    The issue as has always been the case is the unilateral behaviour of US and their unwillingness to respect others legitimate interests and independence and enter a multipolar order.
    NATO policy, that is US policy, is still guided by exceptionallism and is not after a stabilized balanced world order.
    To sum it up the US still are in their clash of civilization and imperial momentum.

  12. nico says:

    An interesting question to answer by our hosts would be the link between Russia move in Syria last year and the Ukraine case this year.
    I suggested that Syria, Ukraine and NK are similar in that they are political battle front for US and their typical Anglo devide and conquer policies.
    It seems at least that China is linking the dots.

  13. Karl.. says:

    Iran shouldnt sell out to the west now when Russia is having problem.
    I am a bit surprised that Iran hasnt criticized western stance in Ukraine.

  14. Sineva says:

    Karl.. says:
    March 10, 2014 at 5:17 am
    The russians have hardly ever been reliable partners or allies to iran,if iran can capitalize on the situation or play the two off against the other it shouldnt hesitate to do so

  15. Karl.. says:


    Yes Russia have not been nice to Iran, however if Iran sell out to the west right now, it would be much easier for the US to push more sanctions on Iran and Russia wont do nothing to stop it.

  16. BiBiJon says:

    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t, and anyway damned w/o principles

    Messrs Zarif, and Nahavandian ‘general’ comments were delivered on the occasion of a visit TO Iran by the Spanish FM, and a delegation of German businessmen and industrialists, respectively. Iranian officials were not going to European capitals peddling gas.

    Those remarks about Iran being a reliable source of hydrocarbons for Europe, and the goings-on in Ukraine were completely coincidental. Marketing Iran’s energy exports is a decades long endeavor, and Russia-Turkey tensions, or Russia-Ukraine tensions have come and gone and cumulatively added to the European’s perceived need for diversification of sources of supply.

    There is nothing jaw-droppingly unexpected about the tensions that exist between the US, Russia, China, and pretty much everybody else on the planet. It is psycho-structural, you see. The flare-ups are the regular harvest of ugly fruits from the tree of ‘exceptionalism.’ Folks with no long-term agendas will set course like a moth heads to a candle, suicidally.

    The wiser reaction would be no reaction; to stay the course and have the confidence that reason, logic, morals, etc. will ultimately moderate everyone’s behavior and bring them to one’s path; no need for Iran to zigzag.

  17. yk says:


    Selling out to the west is near to impossible for Iran. Iran is ideological driven, even in its pragmatic endeavours. In fact the structure of its government is meant to check such an outcome.

    As for Russia having a dose of its own medicine is not that bad. Though the present order is based on survival of the fittest, often it appears Russia fail to realize that in the calculus of the US political elite they are viewed with disdain no less than Iran if not more. Whatever happen to multi – polar world agenda of Putin.

  18. Karl.. says:


    Yeah I admit that my word “sell out” was wrong, also I dont think one should be glad that russia is having problem, seems like we might going into another cold war period which would be very bad and only benefit warmongers.

  19. Nasser says:

    fyi says: March 9, 2014 at 5:22 pm

    “Russians will not bargain Iran away although they will bargain over Iran.
    There is a limit to how far they will support the weakening of Iran which exposes their Southern borders to Axis Powers’ machinations.”

    – I believe they have now come to this position but this was not always so. Some blame for this must also be placed on Iranian diplomatic ineptitude. I think with time and especially now the Russians have come to understand Washington’s true motives and realize that they will never be left alone. They must thus secure their flanks including their southern periphery.

    “I think Axis Powers leaders have not heeded his warning and are proceeding to further escalatory steps.”

    – The leaders of the major Western nations heard him loud and clear but they are too arrogant and overconfident to care. Western leaders and public intellectuals talk of a second cold war as if it is nothing and holds bad consequences Russia alone. Truly they have degenerated as you say.

  20. James Canning says:

    Turkey has given tax benefits to 300 companies, if they build a gas line connecting Turkish lines to Iranian lines. Iran indeed should note that direct access to Iranian gas would be a good thing for the EU.

  21. nico says:

    Nasser says:
    March 10, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    “Truly they have degenerated as you say.”

    IMO that is not an accurate statement.
    Actually it assumes that the US constituencies are not making their choice knowingly.
    Or that they are somehow subject to some kind of degeneration that excuse them of their self determination and decision making.

    That is the typical excuse of the Canning, fyi and other immoral pepole of the same kind.
    For them moral does not exist. They are nihilist or crypto thugs.

    My opinion is that the US regime fully know what they are doing.
    Foreign meddling, war, full spectrum dominance, warmongering, propaganda etc…
    That is merely called colonialism and manipulation to hide the trail of their crimes.
    That is a clash of civilization and macro policy of cultural, social, economical invasions and imposition of the civilized model over others.
    There are those who accept the model and are integrated to the empire as slaves.
    And those who resist and need to be civilized and digested through bomb, regime change and soft wars.

    That is ideologically driven policy based basically on supremacism and racism and negative views of Man.
    You know just lile those saying that history has no direction or selling their fallen state of Man stories.
    Those people are made of the same material.

    That is called the US unilateral moment and the MORAL/ETHICAL choice of the US after the cold war.

    That is EVIL and based upon the elite of US regime worldviews and trancendency.
    Not some kind of degeneration.

  22. BiBiJon says:

    Putin: I “prefer” not to count on Obama

    Don’t miss

    On the Ukraine question, I would love to know if Ms. Nuland’s pay grade is enough to have her usher in a new cold war, at THIS TIME IN HISTORY, when the US ain’t exactly glowing like it was straight after WWII? Don’t tell me Obama is not leading from behind Nuland.

  23. James Canning says:


    Neoncons in the US have been trying to damage relations between the US and Russia. Their angle: Putin told Netanyahu Israel should end the occupation of the West Bank.
    Another factor is that neocons like to promote fantastically high levels of “defence” spending by the US.

  24. James Canning says:


    Foolish neocons (and others) want to undermine Putin. I do not think this is Obama’s programme, however. The Israel lobby forces Obama to have neocons on his team.

  25. James Canning says:

    The US supports the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation. And, obviously, this is a “core interest” of Russia.

  26. nico says:

    James Canning says:March 10, 2014 at 2:04 pm
    “The US supports the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation. And, obviously, this is a “core interest” of Russia”

    Sophistic statement as usual from the crypto thugs
    Should Russia ir China support neonazi in Canada and separatist through plotting and supporting civil war in Mexico surely the US will consider that their “core interest”.

  27. fyi says:


    An analysis of Russian policy towards Iran – 2010 –

    We read:

    “Theater missile defense, coupled with a European missile defense system capable of intercepting long-range missiles, could form part of a collaborative effort among the United States, NATO, and the Russian Federation to meet this [Iran] challenge… [and] the basis for strategic collaboration between Russia and the United States.”

    These Russian hopes are now dead and with it the policy of using Iran to get strategic cooperation from Axis Powers.

  28. yk says:


    Attempt to hold the zionists responsible for the deteriorating relationship between the US and Russia is an exercise in futility. Even the EU as now become a pawn in the chess board of the US in its drive towards world hegemony and is being used towards this effect in Ukraine just like zionists Israel which is the largest US unofficial military carrier in the world.

    When zionist occupation regime as served its purpose and becomes a liability then it shall be discarded because the US is driven sole by the interest of its 1 percent capitalist class who has held their government hostage.

  29. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    March 10, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    “Foolish neocons (and others) want to undermine Putin. I do not think this is Obama’s programme, however. The Israel lobby forces Obama to have neocons on his team.”

    What is the issue ?
    The neocon are in the USG for more than 20 years.
    Should the US citizen feel they do not like them they could have been kicked out.
    The US people support neocon.
    Do you deny that ?
    If you deny that then maybe you consider that the US is not a democracy and need to experience a regime change ?

    The issue with the kind crypto thug like you is that you are deep inside a Coward who is unable to articulate consistent thinking beyond your tribalist and racist views.

  30. yk says:


    I don’t want Russia to suffer, in fact I don’t want any nation to suffer if that is possible.

    If we found ourselves in another cold war then Russia cannot be absorbed of the blame. When you give America an inch they take a mile, I understand that every nation has to look out for her interest but to achieve that goals extra caution must be taken not expose her weakness. The way Russia as been using Iran in her bargain with the US only reveals to the Americans that Russia can be exploited and Washington knows that when the chips are down Iran will not take sides living the Russians nothing to bargain with. In the world of real politicking two can play the game and just now the chicken are coming home to roast.

  31. James Canning says:

    Chrystia Freeland had an interesting piece in TheNew York Times yesterday, on the situation in Ukraine. She thinks Russia’s actions in Crimea will actually help the country to get its act together.

  32. James Canning says:


    Jimmy Carter said recently the US currently does not have a functioning democracy. One tends to agree with him. Ed Luce made a similar argument in the Financial Tims today.

    Continuing power of the neocons obviously owes a great deal to the Israel lobby and the immense wealth and power of the Jewish community in the US. Not the entire explanation, but certainly part of it.

  33. James Canning says:


    You regard me as a “coward”? On what basis. Please explain in detail.

  34. James Canning says:


    I do not give the neocons entire credit for worsening relations between the US and Russia.

    And neocons are not necessarily “Zionists” – – but perhaps you should define that term as you use it.

  35. James Canning says:


    Are you aware that a goodly percentage of the richest people in the US are Jews? Apparently not. ZERO chance the US will “discard” Israel. ZERO.

  36. James Canning says:

    CBS News’ “60 Minutes” programme in America had a good piece on Ukraine (broadcast this past Sunday night in the US).

  37. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    March 10, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    Good enough.
    So as a consequence the US is a non functionning democracy commited to warmongering and crimes and having incestuous relations with the military industrial complex and financiers.
    What is called such kind of regime… fascist maybe ?
    What is your opinion ?
    Surely no people in the MSM detritus goes that far… Thus I guess that it would be difficult for you to admit that the US regime is fascist.

  38. Karl.. says:


    Why are Russia to be blamed in your view?

  39. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    “You regard me as a “coward”? On what basis. Please explain in detail.”

    I mean intellectually.
    You are unable to have and provide opinion of your own outside of what is accepted as politically correct in the MSM.
    And you are ready to use all kind of sophistry and bad faith to support the matrix you are living in.
    You are a coward not able to have opinions of your own and defend them.
    You like your intellectual comfort and your tribal worldviews.

  40. kooshy says:

    Folks there is no way US will let or allow Russia not to be an enemy of US and collectively the West. The reason is if Russia was to be accepted as a part and partner of the west US will lose her hegemony on her European clientele providing them with subsidized security, as well as domestically will be forced to cut back on her militarized economy. So who ever hopes (including Mr. Putin) that Russia will be an equal partner or a G8 partner of the west is a wishful thinker, I think in recent years (since 08) that has become more realized by the Russians and China , is yet to be fully realized by the Indians.

  41. James Canning says:


    Give me ONE example of MSN stating that the US Congress is packed with Aipac stooges.
    ONE example of MSN saying Israel steadily undermines the national security interests of the American people.

  42. James Canning says:


    I think your judgment, that the US will not allow friendly relations with Russia, is preposterous. This comment likely will not surprise you.

  43. James Canning says:


    You are quite right: the US is not a functioning democracy, at least in terms of how the US Congress operates. But “fascist”? No. You should read Ed Luce’s piece in the Financial Times March 10th.

  44. James Canning says:

    The FT had a sobering comment March 10th, about the state of American politics: in 1974, 3% of retiring Congressmen became lobbyists; in 2012, 42% of those retiring became lobbyists. (50% of retiring Senators become lobbyists)

  45. Lysander says:

    I think it is absolutely essential for Iran that Russia comes out on top in the Ukraine crisis. Whatever wrongs Russia has done Iran are like a cup of water next to the ocean of what the US and the west have done.

    Whatever promises the EU makes will only be valid as long as they need Iran to hurt Russia. Once that is accomplished they will turn their attention back to Iran and there will be no one to help.

    And make no mistake, Russia has helped, even if not as much as they should have. This has been made clear over the past 3 years of the Syria crisis.

    Zarif and Rouhani don’t have to say anything, but I’d like to see Iranian media vocally take Russia’s side, along with a few Majlis members speaking out on Russia’s behalf.

    And I hope there are now high level contacts between Russia and Iran on all manner of things, such as how to bust sanctions, arms deals, security cooperation, joining the Shanghai council or whatever. Iran can and should play hardball with the Russians to get the best deal they can and to make sure Russia will not renege on any offer it makes. But in the end, it is essential that Iran side with Russia.

  46. BiBiJon says:

    James Canning says:
    March 10, 2014 at 7:32 pm

    “Kooshy, “This comment likely will not surprise you [because you think of me as a …]”

    Please complete the sentence.

  47. Jay says:

    kooshy says:
    March 10, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    Perhaps you are oversimplifying in order to make your point, but enmity is not the right context – manufacturing an enemy for public consumption is part of it, but it is for a different reason.

    A “competition” over winning resources may be fierce, but enmity is not a necessary condition. A cold, calculated, brutal, and strategic opponent can be worse than an enemy! Recognizing this element of the current international theater is important in helping us understand the non-importance of topics such as “non functioning” related to US democracy and US social mobility. For example, it makes clear that despite all the noise, the US will not cut back on military spending (in the broad sense) – her main tool of winning the competition for resources – regardless of what happens to Russia, China, or domestic US poverty, or democracy.

  48. Nasser says:

    nico says: March 10, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    “IMO that is not an accurate statement.
    Actually it assumes that the US constituencies are not making their choice knowingly.
    Or that they are somehow subject to some kind of degeneration that excuse them of their self determination and decision making.”

    – I think you like many are far too forgiving of the US body politic and too eager to absolve them of any blame for their choices. The US is a democracy and its people gets to elect its leaders based on their campaign promises and perceived allegiances.

    Election campaigns that promise further confrontations with Arabs, Muslims, Chinese, Russians, and other such “Crusades” abroad gets politicians elected in the US. Period. Politicians from both parties and all levels of government regularly pledge their support for Israel because doing so gets them elected. And any politician that promises to stop chasing after demons abroad, cut back on military spending and address the social failings of the US gets ridiculed and can kiss his or her political future goodbye. There is a strong racist element in this as well.

    I don’t attribute these things I see and mindsets of people I interact with to the Israel lobby or the supposed “Zionist controlled media.” So I describe what I see as a form of degeneration. But perhaps you have a better grasp of the English language than I do and can find a more apt word to describe this phenomena.

  49. kooshy says:

    “Perhaps you are oversimplifying in order to make your point, but enmity is not the right context – manufacturing an enemy for public consumption is part of it, but it is for a different reason.”


    That is exactly what I was doing, US is not manufacturing an enemy base on ideological reasons, other than the necessity for the capitalistic reasons. In US the only ideology that dictates all the relationships is only one thing and that is the capitalism. This very American capitalism is the essence and the base which allows accepts and justifies being an American exceptionalist.

    Back to why I wrote what I wrote with regard to America’s relation with Russia. As is evident in what just happened in this last couple of weeks, that is, the Americans very well know they can’t do much to curb Russia’s strategic calculation, needs and protection with regard to her soft under belly which is Ukraine, BR and Georgia, but purposely instead of resolving the matter quietly they are using it to further wedge and distance the gap between the Europe and the Russia. In this guess who will be paying the cost, obviously the cost will be on the Europeans and the Russians who are basically also Europeans.

    The second domestic benefit is using the Russians a traditional well known and over years well-advertised enemy to the American Shiples here in US, using Russia as a possible warring enemy makes a lot domestic problems to be swept away as well as justifying printing and paying for more military economy.

  50. kooshy says:

    “The US is a democracy and its people gets to elect its leaders based on their campaign promises and perceived allegiances.”

    Yap, give a $1 billion and they can make you to be the most loved American president ever, they would even suggest to change the constitution if necessary (seriously discussing and suggesting to make possible Arnold a non US born to become president) they can and will color a frog and sell it as a VW bug, with this kind of mentality (royalty) one makes good CNN announcer.

  51. kooshy says:

    half of the Americans are so disappointed ( disconnected ) that they don’t even bother to participate in the elections.

  52. kooshy says:

    “I think your judgment, that the US will not allow friendly relations with Russia, is preposterous. This comment likely will not surprise you.’

    Gav James

    These days’ things that no longer surprise me are exactly the kind of thing the western regimes are doing, to simplify, in every news cycle with every coming news; I am constantly reminded of west like a sinking giant ship a titanic pulling down everyone and everything down the abyss.

  53. nico says:

    Nasser says:
    “But perhaps you have a better grasp of the English language than I do and can find a more apt word to describe this phenomena.”

    I call it the IDEOLOGY OF EVIL carried by the US system and directly or passively supported by tte US citizens.

  54. nico says:

    Nasser says:

    Or maybe a proto-fascist regime.

  55. nico says:

    kooshy says:
    March 11, 2014 at 12:39 am
    “Yap, give a $1 billion and they can make you to be the most loved American president ever”

    Do you mean a regime change is badly needed ?

  56. nico says:

    Jay says:
    “Perhaps you are oversimplifying in order to make your point, but enmity is not the right context – manufacturing an enemy for public consumption is part of it, but it is for a different reason.”

    They are various layers of discourse and decision making.
    One could argue that decision is made by the elite.
    And one could argue that the elite need to sell it to the “public opinion”.

    Anyway both discourse at elite level and “public opinion” level are evil and fraudulent.
    I mean the elite sold the US policy through exceptionalism and defending democracy.
    That is colonial and public discourse in order to “civilize” the others, the savages, the untermench.
    No matter how it is disguised . No matter the propaganda and demonization.
    That is indeed the “public” hatred discourse that the US citizen adhered to.

  57. nico says:

    Jay says :

    “A “competition” over winning resources may be fierce, but enmity is not a necessary condition. A cold, calculated, brutal, and strategic opponent can be worse than an enemy! Recognizing this element of the current international theater is important in helping us understand the non-importance of topics such as “non functioning” related to US democracy and US social mobility.”

    Such rational should please M. Canning.
    Is that your personal opinion or your interpretation of the US elite decision making ?
    Anyway that is enlighting comment, reformulation and adaptation of the “Lebensraum” concept to current circumstances…
    And it justifies as well the non demogracy and social injustice in the US…
    Is the term proto-fascist accurate ?

    One could argue that Nazi Germany has been demonized in a “vae victis” mode and that other powers of that period were no better.
    I guess that is the endless discussion topic between Fiorangela and M. Canning.
    As a consequence one can argue that is inevitable in the capitalist system of competitiln between powers.

    However others can argue that history has a direction and that the construct of the peace of yalta and the nuremberg trial were strong basis for behaving ethically at world stage.
    The US destroyed all that basis and replaced that with there unilateral colonial policies.
    That is a huge regression and a moral failure.

    Colonialism always had two main features and goals.
    That is looting AND civilizing “untermench”.

    The Condi Rice and Wolfowitz dicourses about nation building fall in the second category.
    As does the humanitarian warmongers who wanna “help” foreigners with carpet of bombs.
    As does the neo cold war warriors who despise the Russian regime as a disgusting dictature.
    Do you deny such feature in the US rational and policy making ?

    As for the looting feature I guess I do not need to elaborate about the current world order.

    Obviously you are right the US has a disproportionate military and thas has one main goal.
    Colonialism and dominance through physical threat, war crimes and propaganda.

    Unfortunately one need to recognize that the US are on the wrong side of history (obviously that position is only true if one thinks that history has a direction or that Man is not only fallen but also strive for perfection).

  58. Karl.. says:

    From RussiaToday one read:

    India to slash Iran oil imports – reports

    India will cut its oil imports from Iran by nearly two-thirds from the first quarter after the US asked it to hold the shipments at end-2013 levels, Reuters reported. The move is in keeping with the nuclear deal easing sanctions on Tehran, Indian government sources said. India, with the increases already made in the January-March loading plans from Iran, has to cut its purchases of the crude to about 110,000 barrels per day to drop its intake average to 195,000 bpd for the six months to July 20.

  59. Rehmat says:

    Ukraine crisis are a gift for Netanyahu from the Devil. It has diverted world attention from Israeli racist policy toward native Palestinian – and gave an excuse to Netanyahu to invoke “Iranian holocaust” during his recent speech at the AIPAC conference.

    The new government in Kiev headed by prime minister Arseniy Petrovych Yatsenyuk (a Zionist Jew), is pro-America and anti-Russia.

  60. Rehmat says:

    Last week, Netanyahu and the entire Jewish media accused Iran for allegedly shipping rockets to Hamas. Earlier, Barack Obama gave a lecture to his French counterpart Hollande over allowing a French trade delegation to visit Iran.

    However, Netanyahu, Obama and the major Israeli hasbara outlets (NYT, WSJ, WP, CNN, FoxNews, NPR, ADL, AJC, etc.) never mentioned a word about seizer of two Israeli shipments carrying spare parts for Iranian fleet of F-4 Phantom via Greece in 2012 and 2013.

  61. James Canning says:


    Doesn’t China have a hyper-capitalist system, to some extent?

  62. James Canning says:


    Fiorangela blames Winston Churchill for the catastrophe of the Second World War. I do not, obviously. That is the heart of the matter.

  63. James Canning says:

    Should we remember here, that Iran supported Georgia during its short war with Russia in 2008?

  64. James Canning says:


    A key fact regarding composition of the House of Representatives in the US Congress: although all members are up for re-election every two years, due to distorted boundaries of election districts, only about 10% of the House seats are in play (that is, actually contested).

  65. James Canning says:


    Tell me: do you think Russia is acting properly, in apparently seeking to annex a province of Ukraine?

  66. James Canning says:


    Do you think Iran should not have supported Georgia, during Georgia’s brief war with Russia a few years ago?

  67. James Canning says:


    You appear to be arguing, at least implicitly, that Russian annexation of Crimea, or at least Russia’s detaching of Crimea from Ukraine, will not result in Ukraine’s becoming a member of the EU. Correct?

  68. Jay says:

    nico says:
    March 11, 2014 at 7:38 am

    I believe the evidence is hard to ignore. Across the West, with very few exceptions, the disappearing distribution of elements of comfort – what is called the middle class by some – is proceeding without pause. With increasing automation, less and less jobs, and diminishing living standards will be the norm. However, from liberal to conservative across the political spectrum, there is more concern and demand for extraterritorial resource grab rather than concerns of ordinary citizens. This is not out of ignorance – it is simply out of calculated and brazen disregard for the “others”. There is nothing new about this – it is just the scale at which this is taking place that boggles the mind.

  69. James Canning says:


    Tell me: what “resources” are being “grabbed”? Chinese companies are becoming a larger relative presence in Iraqi oil operations, simply due to inefficiency of Iraqi government (which is driving western oil companies out). Is this a “resource grab” by China?

  70. Karl.. says:

    lol@ our brit condemn Russia for “annexing” Crimea, disregarding the referendum by the crimean people that will probably vote to be part of Russia.

    What about so called falkland islands btw? I wonder what our brit think of that brittish “annexation”. I bet he thinks its perfectly OK.

  71. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    March 11, 2014 at 3:02 pm
    “Tell me: what “resources” are being “grabbed”?”

    Pretty simple.
    Things and goods which are traded in USD.
    That is pure and simple theft from the US that feed and suck blood other world countries.

    That is financial slavery.
    As are the compounded interest over a virtual money which is backed by nothing.
    That is looting of the first order.

    You know just like China which is the world manufacture and is exchange their labor against worthless USD stacked up in computers.
    Such USD which is a debt that will never be reimbursed by the US.
    Is it not financial slavery ?

    But surely the Chinese view is not to be slave for eternity like the stinky sheiks.
    Once they will have sucked up all the know and technology they will kick the US slaver in its ass.

    Maybe that is why the US need a huge military.
    To keep having pliant slaves.

  72. BiBiJon says:

    James Canning says:
    March 11, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    “Tell me: do you think Russia is acting properly, in apparently seeking to annex a province of Ukraine?”

    Next time remember your manners and say please.

    Short answer: US’, EUs’ stupidity has made it easy for Russia to justify her actions including readiness to entertain a Crimean referendum’s result for joining the RF if that indeed is the result.

    Be happy to elaborate if you asked politely.

  73. kooshy says:

    James Canning says:
    March 11, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    Gav based on the international law and the recently UN accepted norms by the western regimes, if Kosovo and Scotland have the right of self determination, then why you are so sensitive on Crimea exercising the same. After all is the western countries who have, and are braking every international norms and laws that governs the world order. Gav, are you really upset to the point that you disapprove of what your country, UK is doing destroying her global position for and under the US command , by that I mean deconstructing the international structure that was built after WWII.

  74. James Canning says:


    I assume you are aware Russia, the UK and the US made an agreement to respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

    If Ukraine chooses ao allow Crimea to secede, that is their affair.

    I agree with you implicit argument the Kosovo affair suggests the Russians are not entirely in the wrong.

  75. James Canning says:


    The question was whether you think Russia is acting properly, if it takes Crimea from Ukraine based on a military intervention (even if rather polite).

  76. James Canning says:


    So, your objection is simply that too many countries prefer to use the US dollar? And your proposed alternative currency is ________?

  77. James Canning says:


    I happen to share your alarm that the US floods the planet with greenbacks. And I think it could lead to financial disaster of some sort, down the road.

  78. James Canning says:


    You are overlooking the agreement by Russia, UK and US, to respect territorial integrity of Ukraine.

  79. James Canning says:


    Argentina never had possession of the Falkland Islands. And the Falklanders do not want to be part of Argentina.

  80. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    March 11, 2014 at 6:53 pm

    “And your proposed alternative currency is ________?”

    For what the USD is worth I suggest the Venusian pesos as a better alternative.

  81. Karl.. says:

    Lol our hypocrite brit condemn russia for using the same arguments his dear uk use on
    The so called falklands. Even when crimeans dont want to be
    Part of ukraine the brit still lies. Funny how when the brits
    And obama overthrow the leader of ukraine the brit try to
    Say that that is respect for ukrainian sovereignty!
    Seek help!

  82. Richard Steven Hack says:

    David Bromwich gives an excellent analysis of Obama’s Presidency in Asia Times:

    Obama: The publicist-in-chief

    I posted the following comment to that article:

    I prefer to accept the designation Norman Finkelstein gave Obama: “He is a stunning narcissist”.

    I also prefer my description of Obama as a Pre-Emancipation South plantation foreman. He executes orders from his masters. He may not like it, he may sympathize with the field slaves – but he is not willing to give up his privileged position, looking out only for himself and deluding himself that he could do nothing else.

    His “masters” in this case are the rich families in Chicago who financed his entire political career, who have him in their pocket. Which is why his foreign policy has been exclusively anti-Iran, pro-Israel, despite his glib rhetoric about “engagement” in Cairo early on. And his domestic policy has been all about the rich in Chicago, Wall Street and the military-industrial complex.

    Which also illustrates how Obama is just nothing but a glib black hustler. A gift for words, backed by nothing but duplicity, like any Chicago pimp. And a preference for stabbing people in the back, also a characteristic of pimps. And a facility at outright lying.

    Bromwich has done an excellent analysis, but still gives Obama too much credit for actually having “preferences” – if not convictions – when actually Obama has nothing but an ability to follow orders.

    This tendency to give Obama credit still exists in appalling numbers among analysts, even those critical of Obama. They seem to be unable to shake off the uncritical hypnosis caused by the line “change we can believe in.” Almost everyone fell for it in 2008 – except me, who actually read his campaign promises on his Web site and who dissected his foreign policy as “more war, all the time” and who called him at that time “Bush Lite” – a phrase only later picked up by Stephen Walt.

    Today Obama appears determined to sabotage the negotiations with Iran – as he sabotaged the deal reached by Brazil and Turkey with Iran in 2010. He continues to plan for and find a reason to start a war with Syria – a necessary prelude to the Iran war. And he continues to support Israel totally in the Palestinian situation.

    Obama’s main concern – as expected of a narcissist – is to safeguard his own and others opinion of himself – including his thoroughly undeserved Nobel Peace Prize. Which is why his march to war with Iran is marked by “one step forward, two steps back” – a dance meant to allow himself to (claim to) be blameless when the war starts – preferably by Iran itself, if not, then Israel, and only in dire need directly by himself.

    Bottom line: Obama is a liar and a front man for the powers who really run the United States. Give him no more credit than that.

  83. James Canning says:


    I made clear I was not one of those who celebrated the overthrow of the president of Ukraine.

    And you are ignoring Russia’s agreement with Britain and the US, to respect Ukraine’s teritorial integrity.

  84. Richard Steven Hack says:

    Phil Giraldi on a recent Mossad book and article on Obama allegedly asking Israel to refrain from killing Iranians…

    Selling a Mossad Book

  85. James Canning says:


    ONE EXAMPLE, please, of what you claim is a “lie”, on my part. ONE.

  86. Richard Steven Hack says:

    Pentagon Pledges $429 Million More for Israel’s ‘Iron Dome’ System

  87. Richard Steven Hack says:

    ‘Blackwater’ footage: Who are the mercenaries in Ukraine?

    More importantly, who is paying for them? Is that part of the “$5 billion” Nuland claims the US has spent to provoke this crisis?

  88. BiBiJon says:

    James Canning says:
    March 11, 2014 at 6:50 pm

    “The question was whether you think Russia is acting properly, if it takes Crimea from Ukraine based on a military intervention (even if rather polite).”

    (rather holding my nose to answer a so called ‘push’ question): by US, UK standards, Russia protection of Crimea, (and later eastern and southern Ukraine) is the height of propriety in conduct. This is the very birthplace of the eastern Slavic civilization we euphemistically call Ukraine. Anyone who expected Russia to do any less is lying. This was by design.

    I am familiar with the kind of propaganda you’re trying to put out here. Just now I was watching some Russia “expert” on PBS NewsHour assert Russian claim to want to protect compatriots in Crimea is going to expose us to them invading the US under the pretext of protecting Russians living in California. Well, yes, that would be improper.

  89. Richard Steven Hack says:

    Russia Reacts to US Warship’s Arrival in Black Sea

    A lot of people here made a great deal over Russia sending a few ships to the Med and near Syria last year. What do they think about this? Is Russia likely to keep those ships there while the US sends ships into the Black Sea? I suspect not.

  90. Karl.. says:


    Uh why wouldnt russia keep them?

  91. Karl.. says:

    The brit parrot again saying that its for the respect
    Of ukraine sovereignty when us and uk overthrow the leader!
    Amazing liar amazing hypocrite!

  92. Lysander says:

    James Canning says:
    March 11, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    James, implicit in your question is the assumption that the EU would eventually accept the economic basket case known as Ukraine as a member. I assure you it would not, with or without Crimea. The EU offer Yanukovich rejected was for Ukraine to become a dumping ground for EU exports that would have destroyed the industry in the east.

    Once Russia is certain of the safety of the residents in East Ukraine, I doubt it will care much what happens in the rest of the country.

    Re: Iran. If Russia is serious about a real strategic partnership with the Iranian, then Iran should definitely pursue it. If not, then Iran is still better off so long as the west has another target to keep them occupied. And therefore, it is in Iran’s interest that Russia comes out on top in the Ukraine crisis.

  93. Kathleen says:

    Sure is absurd to hear U.S. officials lecturing Russia about how they should not invade another country. Just one more example of the hypocritical stances that the U.S. is willing to take. The world sees that the emperor has no clothes.

  94. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 11, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    Chinese oligarchs are also involved in this global-scale resource grab. The recent corruption scandals in China is just scratching the surface.

    Your question suggests the you follow a moral code of the form: a) If Chinese oligarchs do it, it absolves Western oligarchs, or b) if what Chinese do is not called resource grab, then Westerners are in the clear.

    If true, this is a rather unusual (and selective) form of moral behavior James.

  95. BiBiJon says:

    Richard Steven Hack says:
    March 11, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    “Is Russia likely to keep those ships there while the US sends ships into the Black Sea? I suspect not.”

    The answer:

  96. BiBiJon says:

    don’t miss

    and www dot nytimes dot com/2014/03/13/opinion/working-with-iran-on-syria.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=0

  97. fyi says:

    BiBiJon says:

    March 12, 2014 at 10:03 am

    In regards to “Working with Iran”; the author fails to indicate any positive outcome or inducement for Iran in this.

    “Why should Iran help Axis Powers in Syria – and against Russia?”

    The answer, of course, is that Iran should do nothing of the sort.

    Syria’s conditions and situation is not amenable to transactional dealings between Iran (and the Shia Crescent) and US (and Axis Powers).

    Syria is a strategic issue for the Shia Crescent; it is winner-take-all situation in which the Syrian government and its allies seem to be prevailing.

    I mean, let us be real, Iran is helping Syria defeat an insurgency devised, planned, and initiated by the Axis Powers.

    I would think that Iranian planners and leaders are, to use the American parlance, playing for keeps in Syria.

  98. fyi says:

    Kathleen says:

    March 11, 2014 at 11:24 pm

    It is only mildly amusing; for the longest, time if you brought up International Law in Washington DC, the Americans largely would laugh at you; another ill-informed person with delusions about how real world worked.

    The Law is supposed to protect everyone or it protects no one.

    Americans decided, decades ago, that they are so powerful and so rich that they do not need the Law.

    This is the bed they spread, let them sleep in it.

  99. fyi says:

    Richard Steven Hack says:

    March 11, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    Unless the NATO vessels are air-craft carriers or Turkey is willing to send airplanes to bomb missile sites in Russia and Crimea, those NATO vessels are sitting ducks.

    I think Axis Powers have lost big-time in Ukraine and now are in the process of escalating to strategic Never-land.

    Their hubris is unbelievable; you must admit.

  100. fyi says:

    Richard Steven Hack says:

    March 11, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    Unless the NATO vessels are air-craft carriers or Turkey is willing to send airplanes to bomb missile sites in Russia and Crimea, those NATO vessels are sitting ducks.

    I think Axis Powers have lost big-time in Ukraine and now are in the process of escalating to strategic Never-land.

    Their hubris is unbelievable; you must admit.

  101. BiBiJon says:

    fyi says:
    March 12, 2014 at 11:06 am

    I think Iran should do anything to facilitate a graceful US exit out of Syria, and leverage that to get the US to put a leash on KSA. None of above is “against Russia.” Rather, seeing as Obama has led from behind Nuland to completely destroy any meaningful US-Russia relationship, all at the price of some homemade cookies, in places like Syria, and the Mid East in general, Iran now could be the honest broker between the two antagonists, a role which suits Iran’s “neither east, nor west”, independent foreign policy doctrine.

  102. BiBiJon says:

    fyi says:
    March 12, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    The good professor suffers from the dangerous self-deprecation that you suffer from. He even quotes Roosevelt’s “carry a big stick and speak softly.” but, like yourself, he hasn’t taken the measure of the stick he derides. I assure you, Iran’s stick is huge.

  103. BiBiJon says:

    fyi says:
    March 12, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    p.s. and the corollary: When you hear weaklings shout obscenities, then you know their stick ain’t big at all.

  104. James Canning says:


    Interesting argument that you make: if a country is “Slavic”, Russia should be able to annex it. Is this your position?

  105. fyi says:

    BiBiJon says:

    March 12, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    Both those states are nuclear-armed.

    Iran is not.

  106. James Canning says:


    What is your explanation for China’s holding more US currency than any other country? And for Russia’s being No. 2 in that regard.

  107. James Canning says:


    I do not think it is accurate, that Nato started the civil war in Syria.

    The financial crisis in Syria did much to bring on the unrest, that was badly handled by the Syrian government. And Iran lacked the financial power to help Syria when it needed it. And we know why Iran lacked the needed financial resources.

  108. James Canning says:


    You appear to be arguing that no foreign companies should be allowed to engage in oil and/or gas production in the Middle East. Whether Chinese, Russian, Dutch, Norwegian, Brazilian. “Resource grabbbing”, in your parlance. Correct?

  109. Karl.. says:

    Always fun when our brit condemn other states.

    Britain Has Invaded Nine Out Of Ten Countries, From France To United States
    As usual, amazing hypocrite, amazing liar.

  110. BiBiJon says:

    James Canning says:
    March 12, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    “Interesting argument that you make: if a country is “Slavic”, Russia should be able to annex it. Is this your position?”


    James, if you haven’t polished off a bottle of gin to account for your lack of critical cognitive function, then consider getting CT scan to see if there’s a brain lesion causing your stupor.

  111. BiBiJon says:

    James Canning says:
    March 12, 2014 at 1:17 pm


    Are you suggesting only UK gets to threaten to nuke Argentina to retain annexation of the Falklands?

  112. BiBiJon says:

    fyi says:
    March 12, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    “Both those states are nuclear-armed.

    Iran is not.”

    a) I don’t know that Iran is not.

    b) Russia has a lot of nukes. Why do you suppose weaklings shout obscenities at her during the winter Olympics?

  113. Nasser says:

    An excerpt reads: “Finally, Washington should think long and hard about America’s complex relations with China. If necessary, the United States can confront either Moscow or Beijing, but the U.S. should avoid a simultaneous break with both—something much more difficult to manage. We cannot afford further missteps.”

  114. James Canning says:


    Margaret Thatcher was furious that HMS Sheffield had been hit by missiles supplied to Argentina by France. Her statements made at that time obviously do not indicate the policy of the British government.

    I doubt that you actually believe the UK had the slightest intention of hitting Burenos Aires with a nuke or two. Absurd.

  115. James Canning says:


    You argued that Russian annexation of Crimea would be the “height of propriety”. Didn’t you? I welcome clarification of your comment.

  116. BiBiJon says:

    James Canning says:
    March 12, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    “You argued that Russian annexation of Crimea would be the “height of propriety”. Didn’t you? I welcome clarification of your comment.”

    All you need to do is to read the original comment.

    Regarding the Falkland islands, its inhabitants kinship to UK, and UK reaction to keep the colony, including the then PM’s threat to nuke Argentina if she were not given unfair advantage over Argentine air force by France, do you really not see the parallels with Russia and Crimea? I know Crimea is next door, and home to the Black sea fleet, etc. But still, surely you see the parallels. I take it back. Why don’t you go ahead and take another swig old chum.

    It is mighty good of you to call Thatcher absurd. But, she was the PM, and she would not have it any other way than be taken seriously by your average frog.

  117. Rd. says:

    James Canning says:

    “The financial crisis in Syria did much to bring on the unrest, that was badly handled by the Syrian government. And Iran lacked the financial power to help Syria when it needed it. And we know why Iran lacked the needed financial resources.”

    Are you suggesting the anglo/zax created the financial crises so they can fish out of the muddy waters?
    Despicable!! more than 100,000 have died as a result, shame on you.

  118. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    March 12, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    The point man for Axis Powers “War in Syria to Wound Iran” was Mr. Donilon who announced that belligerent policy in Summer of 2011 at CSIS, if memory does not fail me.

    In effect, NATO set fire to a tinder box, hoping to burn the Ba’ath state in Syria and harvest its strategic gains in Iran, Iraq, and Lebanon.

    My advise to you is to go back and look up the definitions of “Material Cause”, “Formal Cause”, and “Efficient Cause”.

    What you have identified in your posting – drought etc. i.e. Acts of God – were material causes of the conflagration in Syria.

    NATO was the “Efficient Cause”.

    But that is now all of interest to scholars and historians.

    Wars were joined in various forms against the Shia Crescent.

    These wars destroyed the relations that obtained among Near Eastern states as well as those obtaining among Axis Powers on one side and the members of the Shia Crescent on the other.

    Due to the collaborative work of Iranians, Iraqis, Syrian, and Lebanese Shia on the battlefields of Syria, that which Iranians could never have hoped to forge on their own came to pass; the Shia Crescent.

    That is the largest single strategic consequence of NATO’s war against Iran and her allies in Syria and Lebanon since 2002.

    The minor strategic consequence was the revelation that Axis Powers aimed at military destruction of regimes in Syria and Iran – which was prevented by the English people.

    We are observing the reactions of local states to the NATO’s failure against Syria; Turkey trying to separate its Syria policy and energy policy vis-à-vis Iran, the GCC splitting into a War Party (against Iran) and Peace Party, and the firm realization in Iran that Saudi Arabia is an implacable enemy of Iran and the Shia.

    In the fullness of time, we will see more consequences of all of this.

  119. Karl.. says:

    Interesting if true.

    Especially regarding the US organizations in qatar.

  120. fyi says:


    Excellent analysis of the Ukranian situation:

    The best outcome for Iran would be the last sentence:

    “..the parties will hold their current positions until Ukraine goes bankrupt and a debilitating trade war breaks out between Russia and the West.”

    NATO (a.k.a. Axis Powers) has demonstrated that it has great capacity for transforming every political issue into a zero-sum game.

  121. James Canning says:


    I do not think the sanctions against Syria were intended to enable civil war to erupt. And you are ignoring the serious mistakes made by the Syrian government (in dealing with the unrest).

    I also think the Saudis saw the possiblity war would come to the Gulf and that taking out Bashar al-Assad was a good strategic move to make (or try to make).

  122. James Canning says:


    And I regretted the coming of civil war to Syria. And I did not like the sanctions against Syria either.

  123. James Canning says:


    Tom Donilon clearly saw overthrowing Bashar al-Assad as a way to injure Iran. And he may have played a key role in bringing on the vicious civil war in that country. I would not be surprised in the least.

  124. James Canning says:


    My point regarding Margaret Thatcher was simply that her very considerable anger was understandable. As anger, and as in an angry outburst. But Britain had ZERO intentions of hitting Buenos Aires with a nuke or two. ZERO.

    You are sidestepping Russia’s specific agreement not to use military force to change Ukraine’s borders.

  125. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 12, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    I already explained. Russians and Chinese oligarchs are not above reproach.

    James Canning says:
    March 12, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    I am making no such argument.

    You are sidestepping the question I raised regarding your seemingly infinitely pliable moral code.

  126. James Canning says:


    Explain what is “pliable” about my moral code. Be specific, please.

  127. James Canning says:


    You appear to claim that Chinese billionaires force the government of China to hold huge amounts of American currency? And that Russian billionares force Russia to do the same?

  128. James Canning says:


    Maybe this will clarify things: what countries do you think should be headquarters for companies doing oil or gas business in the Middle East? (To avoid the so-called “grabbing of resources”)

  129. Richard Steven Hack says:

    fyi: I agree the NATO vessels are a pointless provocation (or more likely intended as SIGINT intelligence ships.) They are heavily out-numbered by the Russian fleet.

    I just wonder if Russia might decide to move their Med/Syria vessels back into the Black Sea as a counter given that there doesn’t seem to be an immediate effort by Obama to attack Syria. Maybe they don’t need to given the numbers vis-a-vis the NATO ships, but I recall Russia sent a couple of their major warships to the Med near Syria, so it would seem reasonable to recall them. Once the Ukraine situation settles down, they can always send them back long before Obama can start anything with Syria – Syria isn’t that far from the Black Sea.

    It’s all moot because just as there was no way Putin would prevent the US from attacking Syria, there is no way Obama is going to prevent Putin from doing what he wants in the Ukraine. So all the military talk is irrelevant. The Ukraine can do nothing, NATO can do nothing and the US can do nothing. Russia is in control. Even Putin doesn’t have to do anything but cancel the gas subsidies and wait for the Ukraine to go bankrupt.

    Pepe Escobar has a new piece on how Putin is going to beat Obama…again:

    The new Great (Threat) Game in Eurasia


    To quote Lenin, what is to be done? A close reading of President Putin’s moves would suggest an answer: nothing. As in just waiting, while outsourcing the immediate future of a spectacularly bankrupt Ukraine to the EU. The EU is impotent to rescue even the Club Med countries. Inevitably, sooner or later, threat of sanctions or not, it will come crawling back to Moscow seeking “concessions”, so Russia may also foot the bill.

    What are they do, import gas on Qatar Airways flights? Buy LNG from the US – something that will not be feasible in years to come? The fact is the minute a gas war is on, if it ever comes down to it, the EU will be under immense pressure by a host of member-nations to keep (and even extend) its Russian gas fix – with or without “our (neo-nazi) bastards” in power in Kiev. Brussels knows it. And most of all, Vlad the Hammer knows it.

    End Quotes

  130. Richard Steven Hack says:

    West Plans Major New Rebel Offensive in Southern Syria

    Supposedly this is to support “moderates” in the south over Al Qaeda insurgents in the north. More likely it is intended to free up Syria territory between Israel and Lebanon so Israel can attack Lebanon.


    … the rebels are also expected to focus on the frontier with Israel.

    End Quote


  131. Richard Steven Hack says:

    Crimea Declares Independence, But Referendum Will Change That
    Sunday, Voters Will Choose Between Returning to Ukraine or Joining Russia

    Either way, Putin wins.

  132. BiBiJon says:

    James Canning says:
    March 12, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    My point regarding Russia was simply that her very considerable anger was understandable.

    Russia has not fired a shot, cannot be regarded as conqueror, and will not announce annexation of any part of Ukraine as result of her using force. The Crimean parliament is holding a referendum, and if the result is that by majority vote Crimeans want to join the Russian Federation in order to escape current and future color revolutions foisted on Ukraine, then, well, who can blame them.

  133. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 12, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    You appear to believe in a form of tribalism!

    It matters none where the headquarters are. What matters is whether the oligarchs, with the help of their purchased government, take resources from a vast majority to enrich a small minority – leaving the resource and the environment in a state of disaster. Example: Look up Chevron vs. Ecuador.

    James Canning says:
    March 12, 2014 at 7:52 pm

    I don’t!

    James Canning says:
    March 12, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    I am certain you have read “Animal Farm”. You seem to think that some animals are more equal than others!

  134. nico says:

    Jay says:
    March 13, 2014 at 7:25 am

    “You appear to believe in a form of tribalism!”

    “I am certain you have read “Animal Farm”. You seem to think that some animals are more equal than others!”

    Sure primitivism and tribalism is moral sum total of such assumption as
    – History has no direction (thus Man should act like a dog. Without History)
    – the fallen state of Man (and nothing would change that situation thus Man should act as dog or an headless chicken)

    As I said many times here you cannot have the same views and same cognitive reasoning as people who hold true that kind of trancendency, worldviews and common decency

    Such people need to be fought through idea with no mercy.
    That is fundamental and irreconciliable difference.

  135. fyi says:

    Richard Steven Hack says:

    March 12, 2014 at 9:37 pm

    In Ukraine, in Syria, and in Iran the Axis Powers will not relent or settle.

    They have committed too much for too long and gone far off into that strategic Never-Never Land to come back; they are too degenerated.

    [Syrian file has been given to Saudi Arabia. She will try to keep the war going and, possibly, to bring the war to Iran herself through Sunni suicide bombers.]

    They estimate that they could keep those fires burning for a while longer with the costs largely being borne by local states.

  136. Nasser says:

    Exposing some silly propagandas
    “It is clear the United States is going to have an increasingly difficult time in the coming years meeting its own gas needs. How it is in America’s energy-security interest to export domestic supplies when the US is already a net-gas importer, however, is not clear.”

  137. James Canning says:


    Front page report in the Financial Times today: “Western spymasters now cite the radicalisation of their own citizens who go to fight against Bashar al-Assad’s regime as their leading terror concern.”

  138. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    March 13, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    You are not telling me anything new.

    This German fool was in Iran last year threatening Iranian officials with a repeat of a the 30-year War in the Middle East.

    Let EU, Russia, and China enjoy the consequences of Sunni insurgencies.

  139. James Canning says:


    Interesting you should bring up the litigation between Chevron and Ecuador. Apparently there was significant corruption in this case, exposed in a 500-page opinion by a judge in New York recently.

  140. James Canning says:


    Apparently you oppose ANY operations in oil or gas, by a company based in a country other than the country where the operations take place? What does this have to do with “Animal Farm”?

  141. James Canning says:


    Is the upcoming election in Crimea going to be fair, in your view? When TV broadcasts from Ukraine are blocked? Air transport with Ukraine blocked. Etc etc.

  142. James Canning says:


    Perhaps you can tell me what “tribe” Jay seems to think I belong to. Jay despises international businessmen from all countries, apparently.

  143. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    March 13, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    That is silly.

    Was it fair that EU and US destroyed a Cold War ally because its independence and size was an strategic encumbrance to NATO’s Eastward expansion?

    Or when US destroyed the government of the late martyred President Dr. Allende?

    And many many more such cases

    There is no jus; no Law, you are secure as your armed forces and the pain you can inflict on others.

    Specific to Crimea; was the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine legal in 1954?

    And while we are it, why do not you guys leave Gibraltar?

  144. James Canning says:


    I agree, there were grounds for “very considerable anger” on the part of Russia, or at least the ruling circles. Neil Buckley had insightful comments on this point in the Financial Times yesterday.

  145. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 13, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    And your point being?

  146. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 13, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    Nonsense! I oppose exploitation. Apparently tribalism interferes with clear thinking!

    Do you really need a roadmap to see the connection between the statement in Animal Farm and tribalist exploitation?!

  147. BiBiJon says:

    fyi says:
    March 13, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    Well, it turns out that Pres Obama’s warm welcome for Nukand’s darling “Yats” has now caused:

    – “Russia’s Defense Ministry announced new military operations in several regions near the Ukrainian border”

    – “Ukraine’s acting president, Oleksandr V. Turchynov, was quoted by Ukrainian news media as saying Russian forces that had massed near the border were “ready to invade.”

    – “In Moscow, the military acknowledged significant operations involving armored and airborne troops in the Belgorod, Kursk and Rostov regions abutting eastern Ukraine, where many ethnic Russians have protested against the new interim government in Ukraine’s capital, Kiev, and appealed to Moscow for protection.”

    – “another 1,500 paratroopers from Ivanovo, east of Moscow, had parachuted onto a military base in Rostov, not far from the Ukrainian cities Donetsk and Lugansk.”


    It is not looking good. I cannot see what what folks saw in Ukraine that was worth upsetting the applecart like this. If Steve Cohen is right, then a Berlin wall is about to go up dividing Ukraine in half, except that this time that wall is right next to Russia, which creates tensions impossible to manage. Or, the West backs down, shuts up, and offers contrite apologies for insulting Russia so much, in which case the West, and in particular its head honcho, the US, will be utterly humiliated.

    Regardless, what adult supervision was Nuland under?

  148. fyi says:

    BiBiJon says:

    March 13, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    We would know how things are by next Monday.

    From the Iranian perspective, things actually look excellent; a nice decades-long confrontation in Eastern Europe between the Axis Powers and Russia to pin-them both down and sap their resources and strength.

    God Willing, both sides will lose but not too soon.

  149. Karl.. says:


    I cannot see what what folks saw in Ukraine that was worth upsetting the applecart like this

    These are stupid people. Period. West are now completly brainwashed against Russia that west themselves, have no idea what they are doing.
    If they can (to name 1 example) spend billions on finding non existent WMDS in Iraq they can do this.
    This is indeed dangerous. As you say nothing of this would have happend if it werent for US, UK, EU intereference.

  150. James Canning says:


    I think you and I know well enough that the so-called WMD in Iraq was a knowingly false pretext for an illegal invasion promoted by the Israel lobby to “protect” Israel (by overthrowing Saddam Hussein).

  151. James Canning says:


    Let’s put it this way: is there ONE oil/gas company on the planet, that meets your approval? More than one? Names, please.

  152. James Canning says:


    Corrupt lawyers have been trying to steal many billions of dollars from Chevron. I think this is an important point to make, given your claim Chevron was not being fair to Ecuador.

  153. BiBiJon says:

    fyi says:
    March 13, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    How will Iran manage not falling into one or the other camp? When pleaded with, cajoled, bribed, etc. and still she politely declines the entreaty from both sides, how will she manage perceptions that her saying “no” is not de facto siding with the other side?

  154. kooshy says:

    fyi says:
    March 13, 2014 at 10:41 am

    It seems with the surfacing security disputes, between the two rich Arab oligarch energy producer mini states of the Persian Gulf, Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
    The only two PGCC states who were financially capable and willing (against their own long term interest) to finance the western ordered and demanded Syrian and Libyan destabilization.
    These archaic absolute Arab monarchies, are so distanced and isolated from their own Arab streets ( reminds me of Shah), which makes them to blindly (they have no power to say no) fallow the perceptual western security polices, which is firstly designed for the western interest regardless if it boomerangs back to these Arabs monarchs.

    This boomerang back is what now surfaced as the security dispute between the Qatar and Saudi Arabia, the poor Saudi oligarch are now fearing the return of their own tired defeated mobilized and exposed youth who were encouraged by their state supported religious leaders with religious extremism to fight and topple the Arab technocrats in Syrah and Libya, they are fearing their youth will come back and decides to finally do something with their own tyrants at home and that’s why the Saudis now decide and ban and warn their own born not to come back home or else.

    When I first read this news a few days back I was laughing my heads off, I remembered when the Shah of Iran overnight changed the state political party system, he told the Iranians those of you who don’t like this, you can take your passport and leave Iran, now the US client monarch of Saudis Arabia say don’t come back home, overall it seems that in 40 years the intelligence policy maker puppeteers in western states have not learned and have not been able or willing to expand their knowledge of middle eastern governance and come up with better idea other than recommending to their Arab oligarch clients the way to be secure is to scare their own citizens of consequences for any political participation.

  155. Karl.. says:

    Cameron: Iran a threat to the world

  156. fyi says:

    BiBiJon says:

    March 13, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    Iran does not owe anything to Ukraine or to the Russian Federation.

    The Axis Powers and their local cohorts are waging a war against Iran.

    Iran should be ready to conduct transactional exchanges with the Russian Federation.

    There is no margin in taking sides against the Russian Federation and with Axis Powers that did their best to destroy Iran.

  157. kooshy says:

    “Regardless, what adult supervision was Nuland under?”

    A few that comes to mind

    “Victoria’s secret”
    “Big throat in Kiev”
    “Nuland does Ukraine”

  158. Karl.. says:

    Iran respond to government Cameron’s stupid comment against Iran in Israel.

  159. BiBiJon says:

    Karl.. says:
    March 13, 2014 at 6:23 pm

    Yes, Karl. It would be amusing to have our own James Canning weigh in on how come Cameron on PM Question time before he went for his arse-licking trip to Israel had said proudly how he licked Persian Gulf absolute medieval despotic arses to sell weapons, here he is in the Keneset calling Iran a despotic country and a danger to the world.

    Let me guess … 20%

  160. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 13, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    I appreciate your generous offer of providing me with an example of your moral code pliability!

    Your logic (and moral code) appears to be: corrupt lawyers stealing from Chevron … Therefore okay for Chevron to steal from the locals at Ecuador … balance restored! Bravo!!

    James Canning says:
    March 13, 2014 at 2:50 pm


  161. Jay says:

    BiBiJon says:
    March 13, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    Well, Cameron is not responsible for his reprehensible actions and words — he is a politician and when politicians are under pressure they say and do terrible things. That is just being a politician.

    Do I have that right James?

  162. Jay says:

    BiBiJon says:
    March 13, 2014 at 3:11 pm
    fyi says:
    March 13, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    Say yes to both sides — act transactionally and nothing more.

  163. Dan Cooper says:

    Washington understands that economic sanctions are a far less threat to Russia than the loss of its Black Sea naval base. Washington also understands that Putin cannot possibly abandon the millions of Russians in eastern and southern Ukraine to the mercy of the anti-Russian and unelected government imposed by Washington in Kiev.

    As Washington knows that its threat of sanctions is empty, why did Washington make it?

    The answer is in order to drive the crisis to war. Washington’s neoconservative nazis have been agitating for war with Russia for a long time. They want to remover one of the three remaining restraints (Russia, China, Iran) on Washington’s world hegemony. Washington wants to break up the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) before these countries form a separate currency bloc and avoid the use of the US dollar.

    Russia will respond in kind to Washington’s sanctions. European peoples and Western banks and corporations will suffer losses

  164. kooshy says:

    Jay says:
    March 13, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    Yes, it’s a political art perfected by the Iranians, very tough delicate and dangerous balancing act, making both sides feel as the final winner of the zero sum game they are in against each other, but the one who is not in the game will be the ultimate winner (Iraq, Afghanistan). But with the situation in Ukraine I am not sure how much leverage there is. No winner makes all three weaker on all matters.

  165. kooshy says:

    Here you go, he knows when is time to play

    “Iranian President Hassan Rouhani and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin have discussed ways for expanding relations between the two countries in all fields.”

    “The two sides also discussed regional and international developments during a telephone conversation late on Thursday, stressing the implementation of the deals the two sides inked at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit in the Kyrgyz capital Bishkek in September last year.”

  166. Jay says:

    kooshy says:
    March 13, 2014 at 10:20 pm

    Let Iraq and Afghanistan win — in the short run. Keep them as partners in trade. In the long run Iran will benefit from regional stability.

    There is nothing in Ukraine for Iran to leverage actively. However, if a door is opened …

  167. Rd. says:

    james, these are your buddies you left behind.. some legacy!

    “Curiously, at a time when a big country and an emerging power like India (pop: 1200 million) gets panicky and scrambles to obey the US diktat to curb its crude oil imports from Iran, tiny Oman (pop: 3 million) is dramatically stepping up its energy cooperation with Iran. There’s food for thought here for India’s low-grade political leadership. ”

  168. fyi says:


    We read:

    “Early and forced marriages are happening in all the neighboring countries where Syrian refugees are seeking safety.”

  169. fyi says:

    Rd. says:

    March 14, 2014 at 8:51 am

    India has lost Iran and that will persist for very many years; only transactional exchanges between Iran and India will obtain.

    Just like the destruction of the 200-year old Iran Europe relationship, the India-Iran relationship also is another victim of war against the rise of Shia/Irani power.

    I think the most significant development is the building of the gas pipelines to Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and now Oman. The delivery of Iranian gas to these states is an instance were local states can actually satisfy one another’s needs.

    Kuwait actually used to sell a lot of petrol to Iran; the Kuwaiti compliance with the Axis Powers sanctions destroyed that trade.

  170. fyi says:

    Jay says:

    March 13, 2014 at 11:12 pm

    Let us remember that Ukraine reneged on her commitment to Russia to deliver the containment vessel for the nuclear reactor in Bushehr; setting it construction schedule back several years.

    And Ukraine did that for nothing; she never got any compensation – monetary or otherwise – from the United States.

    Americans are masters of transactional exchanges and they have gotten numerous states all over the world to do things for them for free: here Ukraine, there India, over here Pakistan.

    One must salute the US diplomats powers of persuasion…

  171. fyi says:

    kooshy says:

    March 13, 2014 at 10:34 pm

    Americans’ approach to Russia in rooted in the doctrine of “Transaction Exchange”; i.e. “I will do x if you do y.”

    Russians have been trying to persuade, cajole, and otherwise manipulate US towards one based on “Strategic Camaraderie” ; i.e. “Let us cooperate together on managing the world”.

    Well, the Kind and his Barons do not believe that they need anyone’s help in managing the world affairs. They have kept Russia at a distance, all the time trying to undermine her power as well as disregarding her interests.

    It seems to me then that the Russian approach to relations with Axis Powers (a.k.a. NATO) has evidently failed – as we see in Ukraine.

    If my surmise is correct then there would be wholesale house cleaning in Russia’s foreign policy establishment as well as doctrine.

    Future could tell – but I trust that there are many Russians who are still yearning to be part of that “Common European Home” (like their counterparts in northern Tehran).

  172. Karl..test says:

    test 2 test

  173. Karl..test says:


    One must salute the US diplomats powers of persuasion…

    Unfortunately you are right. But this is what US are doing abroad, always thinking in their own interests, always having ideas about coup, overthrowing, assassinations etc. US diplomats in embassies etc are very close to CIA agents.
    It is time for the rest of the world that dont want to be part of this to take a stance against it. Sure the NAM is non aligned but in these times they voice could be helpful, but here again we have US result, an impotent organization that dont dare to criticise the US.ou are ri

  174. BiBiJon says:

    As American as humble pie

    Just watched Kerry’spress conferenece in London after his six hour talk with Lavrov.

    He stressed, underlined, repeated, and emphasized the following:

    – We make no threats against Russia
    – We respect Russia’s interests in Ukraine
    – We just think there’s a way for Russia’s LEGITIMATE interests to be catered to without anexing Crimea.
    – We don’t like talking about sanctions. It is better to call it “responses.”


    Nevertheless, Putin/Russia were pushed around badly which precipitated all of this. The full spectrum demonization of the Russian government and the person of Putin during the Sochi Olympics, by even sports-casters of NBC for crying out loud, sullied Russia’s $50 billion investment in the the Sochi games. Then there was this completely unilateral move to recognize a mob take over of the Ukrainian government, and then engage in wall-to-wall mocking of supposed Russian interests, and fears for their compatriots, etc. Lets not leave unmentioned all the undiplomatic threats of sanctions, going as far as Merkel promising economic war against Russia.

    Unfortunately, I don’t see how Putin/Russia can back down. I tend to agree with fyi, if now suddenly the west wants to be nice, collaborative and cooperative with Russia, they are going to do all that across newly demarcated borders.

  175. BiBiJon says:


    For James to weigh in on:

    Apparently Lavrov has said our interests in Crimea is more than British interests in the Flaklands.

  176. James Canning says:


    I of course agree with Lavrov, that Russia has highly significant interest in retaining its naval bases etc in Crimea. We should remember here that Britain was negotiating with Argentina, about shared sovereignty over the Falklands, prior to the reckless Argentine invasion.

  177. James Canning says:


    The Sochi Olympics were a considerable success, and so recognised in western press etc. Some foolish noise about plumbing problems etc early on, in the media.

  178. James Canning says:


    I do not agree that the US has been trying to “undermine” Russian power. Per capita income in Poland is three and one-half times as high as that in Ukraine. Many people in Ukraine see the growing disparity, and want to do something about it.

  179. Karl..test says:

    Its not up to Russia anymore, its up the people of Crimea. If they want to join Russia they should of course be free to do so. And its the kiev coup leaders and west that made this result in the first place.
    Funny how west smear democracy now all of a sudden huh. Such hypocrites!

  180. James Canning says:


    If you are applauding the Omani agreement to bring in gas via pipeline from Iran, I of course join you.

  181. BiBiJon says:

    James Canning says:
    March 14, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    Yes James, as indeed we must remember Russia was negotiating and made an agreement with the European troika before that agreement was “recklessly” put aside; parliament mobbed; new government was put in place, and every Putin-hater out there immediately recognized and supported the ‘new government.’

    When Jay tells you your moral compass is made of a wet noodle, he is telling you of all people, a Brit, should consider keeping quiet about the Crimea.

  182. Karl..test says:


    March 13, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    Of course “20%”, thats the reason for all the world problems today. Didnt you know.

    -Why is there no peace dad?
    -Iran enrich at 20% son

    -Why is there starvation dad?
    -Iran enrich at 20% son

    -Why was there a coup in Kiev?
    -Iran enrich at 20% son

    -Why cant we have hamburgers for dinner dad?
    -Iran enrich at 20% son

    UK’s lying and embracing Israel, gulf dictators just show how little they care about better relations with the iranians.

  183. James Canning says:

    Dan Cooper,

    Apparently many ethnic Russians (or speakers of Russian as their first language) want Ukraine to join the EU. This has nothing to do with “abandoning” Russia. And nothing to do with damaging Russia’s security interests in Crimea.

  184. James Canning says:


    You confuse statements made by a PM in private, with public statements of policy. Big difference.

  185. James Canning says:


    You clearly have little or no understanding of the Chevron litigation in Ecuador. Oil operations by Texaco resulted in environmentaql damage. Chevron bought Texaco. Damage caused by Texaco’s operations was corrected. Chevron was hit with $19 billion judgment for environmental damage caused by Ecuador (via its national oil co.).

  186. James Canning says:


    Are you arguing that Britain should not sell arms to Gulf countries? That such sales should instead be made by China, Russia, France?

  187. James Canning says:


    I of course do not object to your reminder that I do see Iran’s unwise decision to treble production of 20% U, as helping to lead to current disaster in Syria.

  188. James Canning says:


    I think David Cameron would be very happy if Israel stopped growing the illegal colonies of Jews in the West Bank, and ended the occupation of Palestine.

    How to achieve this, Karl?

  189. James Canning says:


    Did you cite ONE example of a “lie” I stated on this thread? I asked some time ago.

  190. Rd. says:

    James Canning says:

    “Are you arguing that Britain should not sell arms to Gulf countries? That such sales should instead be made by China, Russia, France?”


    no, it is simply a question of your integrity and honesty in your comments, perhaps you can answer your own questions!!!!!!!


    James Canning says:
    March 12, 2014 at 1:19 pm
    What is your explanation for China’s holding more US currency than any other country? And for Russia’s being No. 2 in that regard.

    James Canning says:
    March 11, 2014 at 6:54 pm
    I happen to share your alarm that the US floods the planet with greenbacks. And I think it could lead to financial disaster of some sort, down the road.

  191. James Canning says:


    I do not see where you find a “lack of honesty” in my comments or questions.

    China holds huge amounts of US currency because China obviously sees doing this benefits China. The same applies to Russia and its huge holdings.

  192. James Canning says:


    Perhaps I should add that Russia and China clearly do not see a risk of collapse in value of the US dollar, at this time.

  193. Rd. says:

    James Canning says:

    “Apparently many ethnic Russians (or speakers of Russian as their first language) want Ukraine to join the EU.”

    Apparently UK’s WFD was one of the instigators in that endeavor….

    “To this end, overt and covert actions were put in place. CIA/State Department propaganda voice, Radio Free Europe, announced in 2010 that “Ukraine has been the target of democracy-promoting Western foundations, such as the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), for a quarter of a century” (well prior to 1991 dateline admitted to by Victoria Nuland). NED’s counterpart in England, the UK funded Westminster Foundation for Democracy was an active partner in the endeavor. “

  194. A-B says:

    NATO spells HATO in cryllic letters 😉

  195. James Canning says:


    Yes, “democracy-promoting” orgs including NED were very active in Ukraine.

    Apart from issue of “democracy”, many Russian-Ukrainians want less corruption and a stronger economy. Whci they see as most likely to come from close association with EU, and ultimately membership.

    The NED may indeed have created a serious problem, through ill-considered activities in Ukraine.

  196. James Canning says:


    Neocons are active in US and UK. “Promoting democracy” is one of their pet projects, provided it does not mean Isral should end the occupation of Palestine.

  197. Rd. says:

    James Canning says:

    “The NED may indeed have created a serious problem, through ill-considered activities in Ukraine.”

    Are you suggesting US/UK/EU shoot themselves in the foot again!!! You are of course quite right..

  198. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    March 14, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    NED is a front organization for destabilizing other states.

    Let us be very clear as to what happened in Ukraine; Russia entire post Cold War strategy was shown to have been built on wishful thinking.

    The implications for the International System is this: one of the Great Powers active on this planet, the Russian Federation, is now disabused of her quaint notions based on cooperation among great powers.

    Any hope of a jus, or a re-negotiation of the Peace of Yalta, or something like the Congress of Vienna are now dead.

    We are truly in an analogous situation as what prevailed from 1890 to 1914 – the economic, political, and strategic foundations of the world constructed after World War II have dissolved.

    I think it prudent for every state to prepare for a World War.

    Americans seem to be really itching for it in Ukraine; they are 2 steps away from a repeat of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

  199. BiBiJon says:


    Whatever it is that I did in a previous life to now be marooned on a comment thread with you must have been really really bad. Too late to repent, of course.

  200. Rd. says:

    James Canning says: “

    “as helping to lead to current disaster in Syria.”

    looks like your NED/WFD (UK NED version) sponsored disaster in Syria is having a bad weekend!!

    losing Crimea and now Syria. Do you agree your Dr strange love approach to geo politics is reaching its dead end?

    Syrian forces surround rebel-held Yabrud

  201. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 14, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    You are perhaps out of your depth again James.

    Chevron acquired Texaco. Do you know what that means? For one, it means that they acquired all of their legal liabilities as well (with few exceptions).


    Either you are intentionally trying to be misleading, or you are misled.

    That Chevron addressed the entirety of the damage is at the heart of the dispute. Your assertion that damage by Texaco was corrected is FALSE!

    As I have indicated before, you have a pliable moral code!

  202. Karl..test says:


    I am not sure they have lost either Syria or Crimea.
    Although west seems stupid enough to
    1. Thinking about bombing Syria
    2. Thinking about bombing Russia

    Although will they win in any case^? I dont see that but it will cause massive damage regardless and the nuclear option as far as #2 goes, will be prepared.

  203. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 14, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    Please articulate in clear terms the characteristics that distinguishes between statements made in public by a policymaker (PM), and statements of policy.

  204. James Canning says:


    The distinction I was drawing was between private comments, and public statements (which can be taken as policy, depending on context).

  205. James Canning says:


    I take it you reject the conclusions in the 495-page opinion by the New York judge recently? (Regarding fraud in the obtaining of the judgment against Chevron)?

  206. James Canning says:


    You seem to have forgotten I do not support the overthrow of the Syrian government.

  207. James Canning says:


    You act surprised and dismayed that you remind me of a point I made in the past, and I respond.

  208. James Canning says:


    The activities of the neocons and “democracy promoters” in Ukraine were not those of the US and UK governments, though obviously Victoria Nuland is married to a rabid neocon and has a high-level position at State.

  209. James Canning says:


    And yes, the NED may have created very large problems, for the US and the EU.

  210. A-B says:

    So the US’s sanction-tombola has spun yet again and the ‘winner’ is … Venezula!!!

    Yes “Off with their heads!” said the Queen of Heart in Alice in Wonderland …


  211. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 14, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    You were making those comments in the context of what Mr. Cameron said on the record (in public). A policymaker making a statement in public – by your account, can be taken as policy.

    So, in this specific context, what distinction were you making?!

    James Canning says:
    March 14, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    I take it that you are making statements you would like to be true without having to bother with that little nuisance called reality!

    The judge’s verdict is not on the merits of the case. Rather, it determines that the methods for obtaining the verdict was fraudulent. Do you understand the distinction?

  212. James Canning says:


    The judge concluded the evidence was fraudulent. (Ecuadorean court)

  213. James Canning says:


    Wrong. I was saying that Margaret Thatcher’s private comments (re: French missile hitting the HMS Sheffield) were not British policy.

  214. nico says:

    Brzezinski Mapped Out the Battle for Ukraine in 1997 :

    Why the Ukraine crisis ?

    “One of the keys may be found by looking back at Zbigniew Brzezinski’s 1997 book, The Grand Chessboard in which he wrote, “Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.”
    “However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine, with its 52 million people and major resources as well as access to the Black Sea, Russia automatically again regains the wherewithal to become a powerful imperial state, spanning Europe and Asia.””

    What is Zbig position in the current administration and what is the project and worldview ?

    “The former national security advisor to Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981 and top foreign policy advisor to Barack Obama, Brzezinski wrote that US policy should be “unapologetic” in perpetuating “America’s own dominant position for at least a generation and preferably longer still.””

    As I said time and again Syria, Ukraine, Iran and Korea answer to the same overall US policies of coveting dominance and devide and rule policies….

    “Brzezinski delved into the importance of little known Ukraine by explaining in his 1997 book, “Geopolitical pivots are the states whose importance is derived not from their power and motivation but rather from their sensitive location… which in some cases gives them a special role in either defining access to important areas or in denying resources to a significant player.”
    “Ukraine, Azerbaijan, South Korea, Turkey and Iran play the role of critically important geopolitical pivots,” he wrote in The Grand Chessboard, a book viewed by many as a blueprint for US world domination.”

    Again that is no degeneration.
    That is supremacist and tribalist worldview.
    That is a moral political choice of US doctrinaire accepted by exceptionalist citizenry.
    No less
    That is imperialism, neo cold war and neo nazism reloaded.

  215. nico says:

    Sure Russia fully understand what is at stake.

    Russia Must Stop U.S. Expansion in Ukraine

    “It seems that the West simply does not like Putin. He is a huge obstacle who prevents them from achieving global hegemony. For this reason alone he must be broken. Nobody in Moscow has any doubt that what happened in Ukraine will be repeated in Moscow in two or three years. Without Putin, there will be few world leaders left who have the power or courage to stand up to Washington. When this happens, the entire world will have to quickly accept the new reality.”

    “If Washington wins this geopolitical Cold War, it will install a pro-Western government in Moscow which could lead to the breakup of Russia. Siberia, the Caucasus and the Far East will demand autonomy, and the country’s oil and gas resources will be transferred from the government to multinational corporations.
    However, it is possible that Russia can resist, thereby fulfilling its historical mission of foiling the designs of those who long for world domination. Just as Russia stopped Hitler in the 20th century, Napoleon in the 19th century and Frederick the Great in the 18th century, it will stop Washington in the 21st century. This is nothing personal, just business. Russia has its historical mission to fulfill.”

  216. nico says:

    Soros On Putin’s “Blind Spot” And Why “Europe May Not Survive”

    “There are certain core principles and this is a political thing – democracy, open society, freedom that Europe has believed in and ought to actually stand up and be united.” 
    “Putin has a very different idea of what a society should be like. He believes that people can be manipulated. He actually has got a blind spot. It’s beyond his comprehension that people can spontaneously resist. He believes that if Ukraine resists that there is a conspiracy that people, that Americans, CIA, my foundation are conspiring to threaten him or to undermine is policies. And that’s not the case, people do believe in freedom. ”

    So you have here the perfect illustration of the disgusting colonial rational with its dual track ideology.
    On the first hand you have Zbig who is after dominance and looting.
    On the second hand you have Soros who want to civilize the world at the US exceptional image.

    You just need to add to the above the racist clash of civilization ideologs and you have the US regime ideological picture !

    Well surely the Zionist have their “nice” little touch in the overall picture.
    But that is only that.
    A little touch and nefarious influence in an otherwise Satanic worldview of the US regime.

  217. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 14, 2014 at 7:31 pm

    Sometimes I can only shake my head when I read your responses.

    I am not disputing the finding by the judge that the evidence was fraudulently obtained. You seem to equate that with “nothing happened”, “move along”! I do not.

    Chevron agreed to the clean up because the evidence of Texaco’s pollution was overwhelming. Chevron did the clean up. There was a lot more to clean up and that was, and is there for everyone to see. Then, an American lawyer and a group of corrupt local politicians go together to benefit from this through fraud. Their act does not change the fact that Texaco acted with malevolent disregard.

    You seem to turn a blind eye to the criminal act because other criminals (lawyers) did other criminal things! Another example of your pliable moral code.

  218. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 14, 2014 at 7:32 pm

    I was talking about Mr. Cameron to illustrate a point.

    In American law (similar laws exist in other countries) there are rules under which certain statements take on more significance than they would have otherwise – example: excited utterance.

    When a public official makes a statement about an important event of this nature, under the circumstances at the time, this speaks to the person’s state of mind. Mrs. Tatcher did not have to come out and say that this was her public policy for us to know what she was thinking!

  219. Nasser says:


    How come the French never even mildly challenge the Americans anymore? At least during the Georgian crisis they were instrumental in simmering things down a bit if I recall?

  220. James Canning says:


    Yes, Nicolas Sarkozy played a large role in cooling down the crisis in Georgia, in 2008. By dealing directly with Putin.

  221. James Canning says:


    The very fact it was a private “excited utterance” by Margaret Thatcher confirms it could not be a statement of British policy.

  222. James Canning says:


    Are you claiming Texaco (and Chevron) failed to do an adequate cleanup (in Ecuador)?

    You have yet to mention the operations of the Ecuadorean national oil company, that apparently caused the damage you complain about.

    Is any international oil company that meets your moral statndards?

  223. James Canning says:


    The US and the EU support the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation. You seem to think this is not correct?

  224. nico says:

    Nasser says:March 15, 2014 at 12:36 pm
    “How come the French never even mildly challenge the Americans anymore? At least during the Georgian crisis they were instrumental in simmering things down a bit if I recall?”

    Challenge US anymore ?
    Compared to when ?
    If you take the De Gaulle time.
    I guess De Gaulle was an exceptionally bright leader.
    As is Putin.

    The issue is that there is no bright leaders in every single generation.
    Often such leader emerge after hard time such as war (ie De Gaulle), revolution (ie Iran) or collapse (Russia).
    The issue is that when a country live in opulence for too long it becomes weak and with a corrupt leadership.

    Surely De Gaulle was and Putin is a stone in the US shoe/project for world dominance.
    Call it an unexpected accident in US plans.

    As for France in the more recent period.
    France used to be more independent during the cold war because room was left in the balance of power between the soviets and the Anglo.

    In addition as demonstrated in unclassified documents the EU project is from the very start a US project.
    First to put European countries in slavery with a non democratic superstructure without head.
    Surely in such a sitiation where EU countries lost strategic independence it is easy for tte US to manipulate the whole bloc.
    Second to pacify the continent. Actually the US are much more comfartable with a enslaved region without turmoil.
    Third the EU is built as an image of the US. That is a kind of cultural colonialism.

    The EU qualitatively changed in the last few years with the EURO and the last constitution like treaty.

    But my personal opinion is that it is overall related to the mediocrity of the leadership.
    I consider them as traitors to US interests.
    They are weak and coward.
    Their head will be cut off in due time.

    My personal view is that we are experiencing the end of the EU project and the geopolitical desintegration at world and European stage

    In that I am less pessimistic for EU countries and France than for the US.

    Actually my view is that European countries have a much more open democracy than in the US.
    They are various political parties.
    Those parties may die or be born in due time

    The US are truly a oligarchic society with a locked political system.

  225. Karl.. says:


    It seems that every western state is now under US leadership.
    Bet if a war comes to Iran there will be no rejection in the west. These is really pathetic leadership in the europe.

  226. James Canning says:


    25 years ago, Ukraine and Poland had per capita incomes about equaly. Now, Poland’s is more than three times higher. An example of the “repression” forced on Poland by the evil US, in your view?

  227. James Canning says:


    De Gaulle wanted France free to act militarily outside the Nato command structure. You apparently approve of French military actions?

  228. nico says:

    Nato is an abomination that should be disolved.
    When a country abandon its capability to defend itself it enters such alliance.
    That means that such country is not independent anymore.
    NATO = US
    Others are slave countries
    France reintegration of NATO central command under Sarkozy was the sure sign of abandon of sovereignty.

  229. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 15, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    Apparently you do not understand the meaning of “excited utterance”.

  230. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 15, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    The Ecuadorian oil company is also a guilty party.

    Once again, James, smearing the wrongdoing does not diminish it. Apparently, part of your moral code is that if everyone does it, it must be acceptable. Pliable moral code?

  231. fyi says:

    Nasser says:

    March 15, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    The collapse of the finance economy since 2007 has significantly diminished EU’s margin of error/power.

    The decline in EU fortunes has caused to be even more dependent on US, the central axis around which they EU Barons orbit.

    This decline has been both domestic and foreign. Internally, they are facing economic depression and externally they are competing with cheap manufacture from East Asia.

    In 2002, a few of the Barons in Europe could afford to chart an independent path in a small way; not any longer.

    Axis Powers, US+EU, NATO are all manifestations of a military-political alliance that is not going to be dismantled anytime soon.

    One lesson of the Ukraine situation for Iran is that accommodation with Axis Powers is not in the cards for several more decades; all those EU businessmen in Iran not withstanding.

    The other lesson is that you need to be as prepared as the Russian Federation to oppose the machinations of the Axis Powers – soft power, the Internet, etc. is only going to take you so far.

  232. James Canning says:


    I said that the damage caused by Texaco was repaired by Chevron. Damage caused by Ecuador’s own oil company was not repaired. As I understand the facts. Evidence was fabricated to stick Chevron with damages caused by Ecuadorean oil co. What is “pliable” about these facts?

  233. James Canning says:


    I can assure you I do know what is meant, legally, by “excited utterances”.

  234. James Canning says:


    Russia’s actions in Crimea are convincing many who questioned Nato in recent years, to see its continuing relevance.

  235. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 15, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    You cherry pick your facts James. According to several reputable environmental concerns, Chevron performed a cosmetic job! Here is a simplified link for your edification:

    Your words and writings clearly illustrate your pliable moral code. You seem to advocate exploitation, so long as many parties are involved and blame can be spread around.

    This environmental disaster, caused by Texaco and the Ecuadorian oil concerns (and initially Gulf oil), is a crime. Yet, you seem to continue your defense of Chevron and Texaco by pointing to the fact that they were other wrongdoers.

    This is not honorable!

  236. Nasser says:

    fyi says: March 15, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    Thank you for your response. A couple more questions:

    1) But what then made you think before that soon enough Germany and Italy will break with the US line on Iran and no longer participate as meaningfully on the sanctions?

    2) Why has China been so successful in getting the better of the two thus far in its relationship with the US?

  237. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 15, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    Clearly you do not! The fact that the utterance was private is not of significance. In fact, the excited utterance rule is applied to override the hearsay rule – a situation often related to a private conversation. I suggest you reconsider your perusal through these pliant justifications.

  238. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    “Russia’s actions in Crimea are convincing many who questioned Nato in recent years, to see its continuing relevance.”

    Indeed, that is the whole point of the US plot in Ukraine.
    It is aimed at blocking any European countries rapprochement with Russia at the expense of the Atlantic relation.

    Just like the NK case where the US are seeking to maintain a situation as rotten as possible to keep a future rational for a potential future war and meddling as well as to keep Japan and SK in cilent state position.

    Or just like in the PG where the US/Anglo support the shia-sunni devide to maintain their client-master state relationship with the stinky sheiks.

    Well the Anglo plots are well known to all.
    And the simple proof of the plot and immoral goal is the US support everywhere to the most reactionary, racist and unrepresentative governement against democratic/representative AND independent governments/nations.
    Be it in Ukraine or KSA or elsewhere…

    You can spin it all you want that will not change that simple truth.

    Those supporting the US behaviour are idiots or tribalists or traitors or cowards or opportunist. Period.

  239. James Canning says:


    I think some of the “democracy promoters” from the US and elsewhere, helped to foment the violence in Kiev that led to the overthrow of the president of that country.

    However, I do not think their idea was to provoke Russia so that Nato would be stregthened.

  240. James Canning says:


    The US is trying to keep the NK situation “as rotten as possible”? Peculiar notion, in my view.

    China, Russia, Japan, South Korea, and the US all want NK to get rid of its nukes.

  241. James Canning says:


    You are confusing rules of evidence, in litigation, with correct foreign policy and historical analysis. Not the same thing. At all.

  242. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 15, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    I can see very clearly – you are attempting a U-turn after you caught yourself in a dead-end street!

    You know what you represent, and I know what you represent. I don’t subscribe to your pliable moral code – not everything is for sale!

  243. Jay says:


    Did you finish your research on the Ecuadorian environmental disaster? Anything else you want to add?

  244. Richard Steven Hack says:

    Al-Qaeda Faction Attacks Israel at Border with Lebanon
    Israel Shells Hezbollah Targets ‘in Retaliation’

    If this isn’t an obvious false flag operation intended to get a war started with Syria and Lebanon, I don’t know what is…

  245. Richard Steven Hack says:

    U.S. Military Given Secret “Execute Order” on Cyber Operations

    Here we go again…Is this another Stuxnet? Perhaps directed at Russia this time?

  246. Richard Steven Hack says:

    More stupid saber-rattling…

    U.S. aircraft carrier group in Mediterranean ‘a few more days’

  247. Richard Steven Hack says:

    And more…

    US Army to Proceed With Planned Ukraine Exercise

    And since when has the US Army been conducting exercises IN RUSSIA? WTF?

  248. Richard Steven Hack says:

    More on the Lebanon incident…

    Israel shells Lebanon after border blast

    Still trying to get that war going…

  249. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    March 15, 2014 at 7:12 pm

    Those “Democracy Promoters” where agit-prop operations of Western intelligence services.

    Another form of war….

  250. Empty says:


    Relevant to your point. The corruption with that case (from the standpoint of scientific evidence) was appalling. This letter was published by a group of scientists who, in one form or another, had reviewed the scientific evidence of the case.

  251. Jay says:

    Empty says:
    March 15, 2014 at 11:41 pm


    thank you for the link to a concise summary of scientific evidence related to this horrific exploitation.

    Regrettably, some among us believe that the involvement of many, and corruption of some, absolves the original perpetrators of this immense crime!

  252. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    “I think some of the “democracy promoters” from the US and elsewhere, helped to foment the violence in Kiev that led to the overthrow of the president of that country.
    However, I do not think their idea was to provoke Russia so that Nato would be stregthened.

    “The US is trying to keep the NK situation “as rotten as possible”? Peculiar notion, in my view.China, Russia, Japan, South Korea, and the US all want NK to get rid of its nukes.”

    Who care about your belief ?
    I just demonstrated with sources and qotes that the US are after destabilization of NK, Syria, Iran, Ukraine etc…
    That is the convergence of supremacist colonialists and “humanitarian warmonger” colonialists.
    In addition you have az a bonus the clash of civilization racists and the zionists.
    All approved by US citizenry.
    The means used by the US is War, alliance with takfirists and neo nazi.

    What is the issue, It is rightly in line with own pliable moral standard. You know: might makes right, history has no direction, powers competition and your tribalist worldviews…
    Does the Matrix meet reality ? Maybe a wire contact failure creating a kind of short-circuit in your brain ?

    Unfortunately what you have to offer is only is only sophistry, MSM crap and unconsistent squirt posts.

  253. nico says:

    ny serious sanction against Russia would be the end of the USD hegemony.
    Russia stated that it is ready for Iran style sanctions.
    But Russia would likely dump all Tbond ane require all hydrocarbon and raw material exports to be paid in Gold…
    See the issue ?
    Sanctions against Russia sureky are not a good idea…

  254. Karl.. says:

    I dont know much about afghan politics, however it seems that karzai have been criticizing US more and more the past year.
    Is it just for the public or why have he changed his stance?

  255. James Canning says:


    You seem to have difficulty making a distinction between what Obama seeks, and what various pressure groups in the US hope to achieve.

    All of North Korea’s neighbors want NK to get rid of its nukes.

  256. James Canning says:


    Some of the activiities of the “democracy promoters” in Ukraine did not have Obama’s support.

  257. James Canning says:


    You apparently are unable to identify a single international oil company that meets your exacting moral standards. Correct?

  258. James Canning says:


    I still do not see the specificly “pliable” moral standard that you think I maintain.
    You hate “Big Oil”, so corruption in the courts that “hurts” Big Oil is a good thing, in your view?

  259. James Canning says:


    You have not proposed a substitute for the US dollar, in global financial transactions, central bank reserves, etc etc etc. Or have you?

  260. James Canning says:


    I invite you to spell out for me, the “dead-end street” you think I ventured into.

  261. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 16, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    In case you missed my earlier answer to your question on March 13, 2014 at 8:35 pm. It was “None”.

    I do answer questions without diversion because I am perfectly at ease with my moral code. I suggest you do the same. Do not divert, celebrate your pliable moral code, and be proud of your position with regards to certain polluters and exploiters you find palatable.

  262. James Canning says:


    ALL international oil companies are “exploiters”, in your view. An obviously useless construct, in my view.

  263. James Canning says:


    I take it you oppose Rouhani’s efforts to bring in Big Oil, to develop, refubish, etc etc Iranian oil industry?

  264. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 16, 2014 at 3:13 pm

    Do not project your views onto others!

    James Canning says:
    March 16, 2014 at 3:15 pm

    Do not project your views onto others!

    Don’t assume, don’t take it, and don’t divert! I understand your discomfort with your pliable moral code, but that is for you to solve.

  265. James Canning says:


    You “divert”, time and time again. And you are unable to name a single international oil company meeting your exacting moral standards.

  266. James Canning says:


    And which of “my” views, have I attempted to project onto others?

  267. James Canning says:


    In my judgment, Rouhani is quite right to wish to bring in major western oil companies. Iran’s nationbal oil company has increased its work force by 100% over past eight years, while production is down by 50%.

  268. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 16, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    I still do not see the specificly “pliable” moral standard that you think I maintain.


    Exactly! You do not see! That is what being pliable about… bending just enough to not see.

  269. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 16, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    How many times do you want me to say “NONE”! You don’t like my answer, so you diverted!

  270. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    March 16, 2014 at 3:59 pm

    And which of “my” views, have I attempted to project onto others?

    Here is one example James!

    James Canning says:
    March 16, 2014 at 3:13 pm

    ALL international oil companies are “exploiters”, in your view.

    One could only wonder if this is your internal irreconcilable view that has lead you to adopt a pliable moral code

  271. fyi says:


    Unfortunately for Iran, US and Russia seems to have reached an agreement on Ukraine:

  272. Jay says:


    I am going to stop this discussion. There is no further value in it for me, or the board here. I have demonstrated what I needed to.

  273. fyi says:

    Nasser says:

    March 15, 2014 at 5:27 pm

    I do not recall having estimated that Germany or Italy would break with US.

    UK, France and Germany are the senior Barons (Dukes) running the show in Europe on behalf of US.

    I cannot answer your # 2 question; I speculate that Chinese are atheists – so more congenial to EU mainstream (Religion is for fools and other benighted people) and 2: Chinese do not dispute the salient features of the US-EU Religion publicly: Shoah, Liberty, Human Rights.

  274. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    March 16, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    You are wasting your time defending Mr. Obama.

    He let EU states execute the intelligence operations in Ukraine to overthrow that government there; which they botched in a massive way – causing alarm in Moscow which led her to direct intervention in Ukraine.

    The fundamental policy was wrong; trying to get Ukraine into NATO – Russia would go to war before that happened.

    Furthermore, in Libya, again where Mr. Obama led from behind and the European barons did the bombing, US and EU destroyed Libyan state and threw that country into chaos.

    Mr. Obama was the man who instigated the war in Syria to wound Iran; simultaneously pursuing a policy with Iran that would have resulted in war with Iran in the Spring of 2102.

    And of course, we know of his plans to wage war in Syria in 2013, to be followed by war against Iran either under him or his successor.

    Axis Powers, under Mr. Obama, have executed war and confrontation across 3 fronts: Syria, Iran and Russia, the last 2 would have led, in the fullness of time, to real possibility of World War III.

    When I state that the King is Mad I am not using hyperbole.

  275. James Canning says:


    I doubt Obama was trying to arrange matters so that Ukraine joined Nato. Many neocons and other elements of the Israel lobby did of course want Ukraine in Nato.

    Regarding Libya, we should recall that Obama and his generals were very reluctant for the US to intervene militarily.

    On Syria, I still am not sure what Obama was thinking. But you tend to discount the importance of the Muslim Brotherhood, Qatar, and fans of the MB in Turkey, in bringing on civil war in Syria.

    Prior to the Aug. 21 CW event in Syria, my understanding is that Obama was prepared to allow the Syrian government to win the civil war, quietly. This may still be true. (Read the interview with Prince Turki al-Faisal, in Weekend Financial Times.)

  276. James Canning says:


    Regarding Iran, I will note yet again that you are ardently in favour of preventing a deal between Iran and the P5+1. From what I can ascertain.

  277. James Canning says:


    Fine. Do not answer my questions, and make noises about my supposedly not answering yours.

  278. James Canning says:


    I apparently missed your answer, that no international oil company meets your moral standards. Sorry.

  279. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    March 16, 2014 at 6:28 pm

    As I said, you are willfully being ignorant.

    And if you are claiming that Mr. Obama be ignorant of the strategic thrust of US policy, then he, like you, was willfully ignorant as well.

    No, Axis Powers have been checked in Ukraine.

    And this is yet another indication that Iran must be nuclear-armed.

  280. James Canning says:


    Your apparent belief the Obama administration wanted Ukraine in Nato is not correct. As I understand things.

  281. James Canning says:


    Obama’s policy was to avoid US military intervention in Libya. Full stop. David Cameron convinced him to back the Anglo-French attack on Gaddafi.

  282. nico says:

    Would be also interesting to know wether and how the sacking of Jonathan Banks (head of CIA Iran section) is related to Iran disclosure of Iran intelligence ministry having twarted sabotage attempt at nuclear failities in past months.

  283. nico says:

    Last Pepe article about Ukraine

    Nice quote.
    Ahah !

    “Here’s the record. Dubya launched two wars. He (miserably) lost both. Obama attempted to launch two wars (Syria and Ukraine). He – lucky for him – lost both even at the “attempt” stage.”