Washington Talk About Getting to “Yes” with Iran…But Obama Is Heading toward Another “No”

Earlier this month, Foreign Policy published a deceptively reasonable-sounding article by Robert Einhorn, who recently left the Obama administration.  To read the piece, titled “Getting to ‘Yes’ with Iran,” click here

On a superficial level, Einhorn’s article may read like a serious (if also severely hedged) effort to lay out ideas for engaging Iran in new nuclear talks after the installation of President-elect Hassan Rohani.  In reality, though, the piece is anything but. 

We were thinking of writing a deconstruction of Einhorn’s article but, over the weekend, Dan Joyner posted his own on Arms Control Law, see here; we also append the text below.  Dan superbly gets to the heart of what’s wrong with Einhorn’s—and, by extension, the Obama administration’s—approach to nuclear diplomacy with Iran. 

Unfortunately, Obama and his advisers show no sign of changing course.  If they ever do, it will be because they’ve finally come to appreciate some of the legal and strategic realities that Dan highlights.         

–Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett

Einhorn on Getting to Yes With Iran

Daniel Joyner, Arms Control Law

I’ll try to stay calm as I write this.  I’ll try. 

I just read Robert Einhorn’s new article over at Foreign Policy entitled “Getting to ‘Yes’ with Iran.”  Most of you will know that for the past four years, until May, Einhorn was a key member of the Obama administration’s diplomatic team working on the Iran nuclear issue, and was involved in the P5+1 negotiations with Iran.  Because of this, I think it’s fair to take his opinions as fairly representative of the US perspective on the ongoing diplomatic process with Iran. 

It’s honestly hard to know where to begin to criticize this piece.  There’s so very much to criticize.  I think the most maddening aspect to it is simply the tone throughout—the paternalistic, arrogant tone that drives most of the world crazy about US “diplomacy,” and makes them want to collectively scream at us “who the f#&*! do you think you are!?!”  Here are a few jewels: 

“The two sides could try to work out a road map containing the general elements or principles of a phased, comprehensive deal, including an outline of the key elements of an Iranian civil nuclear program that would be permitted in an end-state. . .

More specifically, any acceptable approach to permitting enrichment would have to provide confidence that Iran could not quickly or secretly “break out” of agreed arrangements and use its enrichment capabilities to produce highly-enriched uranium for nuclear weapons.  This would require limits on Iran’s enrichment capacity (both in terms of numbers and types of centrifuges), restrictions on its stocks of enriched uranium (in terms of quantities and locations), and special monitoring measures capable of detecting a breakout at the earliest possible moment. . .

The question of whether the negotiations’ end-state should include a domestic enrichment program cannot be answered until we have explored such practical arrangements with the Iranians.  Such engagement will not be easy for either side.  It will require the United States and its partners to do what they have so far avoided:  talk about what would make an Iranian enrichment program acceptable.  And it will require the Iranians to recognize that the United States and the international community will not accept an unrestricted enrichment program, but only a regulated capability that denies them the opportunity to convert their program rapidly or clandestinely to the production of nuclear weapons.” 

Do you hear it?  How many times he uses words like “permit,” “accept,” and “acceptable”?  This drives the rest of the world crazy—how the U.S. and the West generally put themselves in the position of parents telling other states—as if they were little children and not fully equal sovereigns—what they will accept and not accept, permit and not permit those states to do in their own countries!  And if you don’t go along with these parental orders, the U.S. and E.U. will slap sanctions on you, like a parent punishing a child. 

Never mind if there is no international legal basis either for the substantive “non-acceptance” of the activity, or for applying punitive sanctions, as is the case with Iran’s nuclear program.  Dad’s going to do it anyway, because he knows what’s best, and because he can. 

Do you not see how this drives other states crazy, and makes them want to defy these edicts from the West, just on principle?  It’s basic schoolyard psychology.  And we would feel and respond the same way, if the tables were turned. 

But wait, there’s more.  He also tries his hand at legally justifying the U.S. refusal to recognize Iran’s right to peaceful uranium enrichment:

“The United States has been justified in rejecting an unfettered ‘right to enrich.’   The Nonproliferation Treaty protects the right of compliant parties to pursue nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, but it is silent on whether that right includes enrichment, which is a dual-use technology that can also produce fissile material for nuclear weapons.  Lawyers can debate whether a right to enrich is included in the treaty, but what is not debatable is that Iran has forfeited—at least temporarily—any right to enrichment (and reprocessing) until it can demonstrate convincingly that it is in compliance with its NPT obligations.  For the time being, whatever rights it has to these technologies have been suspendedby a series of U.N. Security Council resolutions, which are legally binding on all U.N. members, including Iran.”    

Well, I wrote a whole book on why he is wrong in his assessment of the NPT and Article IV.  I’d be happy to explain it to him sometime, or he can just buy the book and read it (it’s out in paperback!), now that he’s out of office and has time to actually think about policies, instead of running around implementing them based on erroneous understandings.  And as far as the Security Council resolutions are concerned, I’ve written about them as well, including in an article in the Georgetown Journal of International Law.   And I’m currently writing another piece in which I will discuss more thoroughly the issue of states’ rights in international law.  In that piece I plan to demonstrate that the rights of states, including the one codified in NPT Article IV, have jurisprudential meaning and implications, and impose obligations on other actors to respect them—including the Security Council.  And when the Council acts to prejudice these rights, its decisions are null and void.

But coming back to a macro view of this piece by Einhorn, it really makes for a depressing read.  It convinces me that there really is no hope for a practical, negotiated solution, as long as the U.S. approaches the negotiating table with this attitude and with these erroneous ideas about both the principle and practicality of what they’re hoping to accomplish through them.

 

214 Responses to “Washington Talk About Getting to “Yes” with Iran…But Obama Is Heading toward Another “No””

  1. Karl.. says:

    Great article by Daniel Joyner. It really gives an insight how out off touch Obama administration is, one sometimes think, naively obviously, that they eventually will act logically – that they have a reasonable plan and sound policy making theories.., but no, and the problem is that US simply cant accept Iran. Period.

    Obama and congress gets more and more extreme every day so I guess the current situation will go on for years..

  2. nico says:

    Repost from previous thread about why there is zero chance for the US to come to terms with Iran.
    As is put by Iran policy makers, the US ultimate goal is to forbid Iran development
    That is in order to avoid Iran becoming the dominant power in the region and incidentally a world competitor (given oil importance and Iran regional strategic position).

    All,

    Very nice example of the deep rooted policies of the US.
    It also clearly shows that the end of the cold war was a pivotal moment and that no major US policy shift occured ever since.

    It is interesting to note that the foreign policy doctrine was defined by the Pentagone.
    Not by the president, not by the congress or the senate or even less by the secretary of state !
    That is democratic process and one sure to lead to a better world !It is also a nice example of PR and propaganda.

    Just see the excerpts before and after rewriting ! Obama style !
    It is interesting to note that Cheney, Wolfowitz and co were in the Pentagone during Bush Senior time as president.
    Clinton won the election in 1992.
    He was the one to fully implement the Neocons doctrine.

    It is a direct proof that whatever party in charge the real policies are made elsewhere.You know like the farcical Obama, yes we can or the change we can believe in.
    The same one who kept the Bush patriot act in force because the US are constently under ugly muslim terrorist attacks !
    What should we call that ?
    The ploutocratic and materialistic regime of the US imposing their tyranny to the world.

    Please check the link. It is most interesting.
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfowitz_Doctrine

    By the way, Mr Canning, it is proof that oil and US domination of the region are the main reason for the US policy in the ME.
    It is also proof of the US devide and rule strategy and that the goal in the case of Iran is to destroy a regional competitor. Democracy, human rights, justice, common sense be damned.

  3. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    July 18, 2013 at 6:57 pm
    “Nico,Are you claiming the piece in the Guardian provided us with Samantha Power’s actual phrasing (regarding Iran’s nuclear programme)?I very much doubt she would be so stupid as to think the entire nuclear programme could be shut down.”

    Ms Power does not seem that smart.
    But maybe it is due to unprofessional/amateurish reporting from the presstitute.

  4. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    July 18, 2013 at 6:53 pm
    “Nico,Many British and American commenters on foreign policy regard Paul Woolfowitz as one of the greatest fools ever to be influential inside the Pentagon.”

    Sorry Mr Canning, but the fact on the ground for more than 2 decades are proof enough that the macro policies followed by the US are the ones stated by Wolfowitz.

  5. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    July 18, 2013 at 6:51 pm
    “Nico,The US can get by well enough with no oil from the Middle East.”

    Did you read the excerpt ?
    Or should I explain to you each word with my poor english helped by the oxford dictionary ?

    “This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power.”

    “The U.S. must show the leadership necessary to establish and protect a new order that holds the promise of convincing potential competitors that they need not aspire to a greater role or pursue a more aggressive posture to protect their legitimate interests”

    “In the Middle East and Southwest Asia, our overall objective is to remain the predominant outside power in the region and preserve U.S. and Western access to the region’s oil.”

    Is that clear enough ?

  6. Empty says:

    Thank you for posting the article. I wonder if Daniel Joyner is aware of the “maddening aspect of” his own framing of Robert Einhorn’s maddening aspect and tone. While the evidence quite clearly suggests that the U.S. and the West approach to Iran is that of an enemy hell bent on destroying Iran, Joyner likens their tone to that “of parents” permitting or not permitting, telling, etc. what to do. Where did this come from? Why is Joyner trying to make an overt aggression, hostility, and criminal approach appear as benign as that of a parent toward his/her child? Could this be honestly called an analysis that “superbly gets to the heart of what’s wrong with Einhorn’s”?

    ”And if you don’t go along with these parental orders, the U.S. and E.U. will slap sanctions on you, like a parent punishing a child.” Really? Assassinating scientists, using virtual attacks against critical buildings and infrastructures, financially supporting a terrorist organization with proven records against a nation, cutting off critical medicine to dying patients, and on and on is “like a parent punishing a child”?! In parental approach, isn’t it at least tacitly understood that the parents have the best interest of the child in mind?

    ”It’s basic schoolyard psychology.” Right on, again Mr. Joyner. It’s just a question of simple bullying. No blood has been shed. Unless of course I am mistaken and Joyner means Columbine High School’s yard when he refers to schoolyard and means Cindy Anthony type parent when he talks about “like a parent”.

  7. Empty says:

    In conclusion, Daniel Joyner’s piece misleads.

  8. nico says:

    Empty says:
    July 18, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    “In conclusion, Daniel Joyner’s piece misleads.”

    Correct.
    Joyner’s piece do not call US posturing for what it is : unilateralism.
    Or as rightly put by Iranian leaders lack of respect for other nation rights and sovereignty.
    Or as could be called less diplomatically, the roguish mindset of the US thugish, criminal and faithless superpower.

    Obviously there is no chance for a balanced and acceptable deal as long as such minset and policies are implemented.

    Not that it is a big deal for the US.
    No deal and isolation of Iran are the goals in the US devide and rule policies in order to contain a strategic competitor. No matter the crimes and the lies.

    Obviously Smith is right by claiming that Iran nuclear weaponization is the only way out of the current circumstance.

  9. A-B says:

    Re. the military coup in Egypt…

    Again, the Western Liberal Fascist, AKA Global Arrogance (as Iran calls them), takes the liberties to define who are citizens of a country, to then label it a ‘democracy’ or not. I wrote previously (June 5) that, THEY decide Mojahedin-e Kharr/Greenies should represent Iran, as Wahhabi/Salafis should represent ‘Arabs’; and ‘Talebees’ should represent Afghanistan. Of course, ‘Jews–only’ are the citizens of the ‘democratic’ Israel; as clan of Saud is true citizens of Saudi-Arabia. Accordingly, a coup by a military junta is entirely ‘democratic’ if the Global Fascist says so. It’s preferable if the usurpers are supported by an indigenous self-loathing but oh-so-liberal (read: Westernized) ‘bourgeoisie’ who think they know and are worth more than their less well-to-do compatriots; maybe the white ‘gods’ of the West might look upon them favorably! So, when the defense minister of the oh-so liberal-democratic Sweeeden had to explain why Sweden is helping the military of the repressive undemocratic Saudi-Arabia, she refused to call Saudi-Arabia a dictatorship. This is while these arrogant racists wouldn’t spare any opportunity to slander Iran and anything Iranian. So, when the news of the gang-rape/murder cases in India exploded in the media; they [media] just HAD to implicate Iran – their designated arch-representative of the global misogyny – by bringing up the case of Sakineh Ashtiani!! According to Fascist capricious logic, the recurring cases of gang-raping and killing of girls in India (which COULD be blamed on a ‘cultural malady’ that DOESN’T exist in Iran) somehow relate to the specific case of a woman convicted for having helped her ‘lover’ MURDERING her husband by electrocuting him. So, let’s not criticize ‘democratic’ India; let’s bash Iran instead, just because!!! If the issue is with the punishment; then why not mentioning the beheading of an Indonesian maid in Saudi-Wahhabia, then letting show her corpse hanging from a helicopter? Or, if they are so anti-clergy, why keeping mum on the case of that vile Saudi ‘preacher’ who raped and killed his 5-year-old daughter? AND was sat free!!

    Some would say: but Iranians are more ‘white’ than Indians, so how can Westerners be racists if they prefer Indians with darker complexion or the ‘Semitic Arabs’ before the ‘Aryan Purrrsians’? Well, the neo-fascist West don’t care if you’re white, brown, red, yellow or Obamite … they make everyone else black and blue!!

    So the eternal question to the Arrogant is: by whose authority do you think you can take these liberties to infringe on rights of humans? Certainly, it is not because of your objective ‘humanism’ or scientific methods?! Somehow, Iranians still have respect for the opinions of such bigots.

  10. Smith says:

    A-B says:
    July 19, 2013 at 5:13 am

    “by whose authority do you think you can take these liberties to infringe on rights of humans?”

    It is simple. By the right of the might. It is either the way of might or the highway. Either you accept the self professed god (USA) and worship her by offering your wealth and human sacrificial blood or else, then the god is going to punish you for your unruly behavior. Only one thing can stop this situation: long range nuclear munitions with clearly stated intent and addressee of those munitions.

    After all the worldly gods, are just worldly and get scared of death. That is the limit of their might. No other thing including logic, law, preaching, softness, love, humanity, etc etc has any effect on the matter. The history of the past five hundred years during which white man in his sick vision has conducted numerous and ever increasing number of total wars and genocides makes the point very clear.

  11. nico says:

    Smith says:
    July 19, 2013 at 6:16 am

    The US unilateralism is not inevitable.
    It is based upon US leaders criminal beliefs.
    They need to be held accountable.

    I simple and quite neutral key indicator is the US military expenditure.
    As long as this indicator does not significantly and dramatically drop, let’s say by a cut of two or three folds, it means that the criminal mindset prevails.
    Else, whatever the nice words, it is only blatant lies and double speech. Obama style.

  12. kooshy says:

    A well thought and researched article on how and why Persian language was expanded in south East Asia
    A good change to read on Iran and anything Iranian

    Revisiting the Persian cosmopolis
    By Richard Eaton

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/SOU-01-190713.html

  13. Karl.. says:

    Nima got a great article on Samantha Power.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2013/07/the-language-of-power.html

    Samantha, in verbatim, accuse Iran of building nukes.

  14. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    The “US” cannot accept Iran? Or, Israel lobby is able to intimidate or coerce Obama?

  15. nico says:

    By Stephen Lendman
    US Courts Approve Indefinite Detention and Torture

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-courts-approve-indefinite-detention-and-torture/5343269

  16. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    Is it fair to say that Iran’s stockpiling of 20 percent uranium played a substantial role in causing Samantha Power to testify that Iran does in fact have a nuclear weapons programme?

    We both know that a number of people who post on this site want Iran to enrich to 20 as part of programme to build nukes.

  17. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    I of course agree with you the US spending on “defence” is grotesquely high. Easily double what is necessary. Or treble.

  18. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    July 19, 2013 at 1:27 pm
    “Karl..,The “US” cannot accept Iran? Or, Israel lobby is able to intimidate or coerce Obama?”

    How should we state the truth for that to enter in your head ?
    In hebrew ?

    The Anglo-saxon proved over the course of the last centuries to be the worst criminal.
    Jews are only small players compared to British and their spown in the US.

    Is that clear enough ?

  19. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    July 19, 2013 at 1:40 pm
    “Nico,I of course agree with you the US spending on “defence” is grotesquely high. Easily double what is necessary. Or treble.”

    As a consequence you agree that it is a key indicator of the US fascism.

    Thanks for the confirmation.

  20. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    Jimmy Carter sees the national security state created in the US since “9/11” as undermining democracy and freedom.

    Not a “facist” system, however.

  21. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    You need to do more study of campaign funding in the US. Follow the money. Who provides it? Jews, by a very wide margin indeed.

  22. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    The US refused to accept a Mandate for Palestine after the First World War. The US also refused to accept a Mandate for Armenia. You would do well the study the reasons the US refused to undertake those missions.

  23. Karl.. says:

    James

    IAEA, American, israeli intelligence bureaus all agree that Iran is not building nukes. So when Samantha say Iran is building nukes she lies and apparently you agree with her.

    You have such a hang up on 20% that I wonder if you are trolling or if youre actually not mentally comprehending. No offense.

  24. James Canning says:

    Karl..

    Yes, I agree that Smanatha Power may not have stated the truth when she said in effect Iran has a programme to build nukes.

    You appear to have a problem comprehending the significance of Iranian enrichment to 20 percent. From what I can ascertain, this is the single most improtant action by Iran that is convincing officials in the US and Europe that Iran wants to build nukes.

  25. Karl.. says:

    James

    Exactly she didnt stated the truth, now, you just said that 20%, and now I am quoting you, “played a substantial role in causing Samantha Power to testify that Iran does in fact have a nuclear weapons programme?”

    So the 20% “played a substantial role” in Samantha’s lie which were that Iran is building nukes.

    Sorry James its not 99% here on this site that have a “problem”.

  26. Karl.. says:

    James

    Exactly she didnt stated the truth, now, you just said that 20%, and now I am quoting you, “played a substantial role in causing Samantha Power to testify that Iran does in fact have a nuclear weapons programme?”

    So the 20% “played a substantial role” in Samantha’s lie which were that Iran is building nukes right? After all you just agreed that Samantha was lying.

    Sorry James its not 99% here on this site that have a “problem”.

  27. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    July 19, 2013 at 2:00 pm
    “Nico,Jimmy Carter sees the national security state created in the US since “9/11″ as undermining democracy and freedom.Not a “facist” system, however.”

    Please explain that the more than 1 million dead Iraqi.

    But obviously, Iraqi lives are not of the same value for you.

    I call you racist.

  28. Rd. says:

    James Canning says:

    Jimmy Carter sees the national security state created in the US since “9/11″ as undermining democracy and freedom.
    Not a “facist” system, however.”

    You really have to take a very good look at “yourselves” in the mirror!!!!

    The diseases your elites have been promoting around the globe for decades is finally coming home.

    From Indonesia death squads to SE Asia, to ME, to S America and all the killings promoted by US government (plus that lil’ miserable country) thru their dictators, military juntas, etc, are finally catching up with “you”.

    you will wake up one day and realize those same death squads promoted and supported by US are now operating as NSA, or Black Water, etc.. right at home! Being ignorant about it is no excuse.

    “The Act of Killing”: New Film Shows U.S.-Backed Indonesian Death Squad Leaders Re-enacting Massacres

    http://www.democracynow.org/2013/7/19/the_act_of_killing_new_film

  29. fyi says:

    Rd. says:

    July 19, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    There are multiple factors at play here.

    There is a School of Thought that essentially posits that Might Makes Right. To this school ought to belong all International Actors – any one subscribing to the doctrines of Just Makes Right must be removed from power forthwith since such a person risks annihilation for his country.

    Mr. Canning argues from the stand point of “Might makes Right” when it concerns Iran’s nuclear activities, which is an acceptable position. On other hand, when it comes to Invasion of Iraq or the Israeli occupation of West Bank – obtained through the force of arms – he starts invoking international law and other such fantasies.

    He is inconsistent; in my opinion.

    As for the United States, she resembles UK in 1967. From 1957 to 1967, UK pursued a policy of defending the British Pond against other currencies, including the dollar – largely out of sentiment and attachment to a symbol of imperial past.

    Even though the policy was discarded in 1967, by that time the internal situation inside UK – across social, political and lass spectra- had degenerated to a degree that made “reform” very very difficult. It was not until the election of the late Mrs. Thatcher that UK started on the path of reform – which she fell off again once the late Mrs. Thatcher was removed from power.

    In both the foreign and the domestic arenas US is, in my opinion, in an analogous situation to UK in case of the pond sterling – she is defending policy choices that no longer make sense out of sheer emotional attachment to a glorious past. For example, her emotional attachment to Israel – ancient and modern – has very good chance of triggering a global war.

    Consider:
    The boundary conditions prevalent today are reminiscent of what obtained more than a decade before World War I; the Peace of Yalta (the Peace of Vienna) is dead, the economic foundations of which also died during the 2008-2011 period (1898-1900 period for World War I), the Middle East is in ferment with the rising power of the Shia and the ingress of Mass-Islamic-Politics into Arab polities (analogous to the Balkans and the rise of Serbia and Slavic Nationalism) and with US (Great Britain) trying to control all these moving pieces.

    In fact, US policy of balancing against the rising power of China and more assertive Russia is also reminiscent of the way Great Britain, the global power of that period – attempted to handle the rise of Germany. And just like Great Britain, which objectively did not have much at stake in the Balkans and was intervening there for fun, US is likewise playing with fire the Middle East – the Global Balkans.

    There is also the fact that those who are running the show among the Axis Powers are – as a whole – of inferior intellectual caliber than their counterparts just before World War I – they are in positions of power solely on basis of their ability to win elections; i.e. obtain the approval from populations with average IQ of 100.

    So, I consider the chances of a World War, based on the poor judgments of US-EU leaders considerable; perhaps less that 1/10 but certainly not zero.

    Of course, there is always the possibility of someone like the late Richard Nixon somehow emerging out of the proverbial nowhere – just like the emergence of Gen. Dempsey.

  30. nahid says:

    Dear FYI

    welcome back , your absent was felt everyday.

  31. kooshy says:

    FYI

    Glad to see you back

  32. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Where do I argue “might makes right”?

    Are you saying my contention that the strength of the Israel lobby is such, in the US, that Obama may be able to agree to Iranian enrichment to 5% but there is no chance he would agree to 20, is a “might makes right” argument?

  33. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    What year or years was Britain “intervening in the Balkans for fun”?

    Are you referring to Britain’s forcing Russia to give up the gains it made in its war with the Ottoman Empire in the late 1870s?

  34. James Canning says:

    Rd.,

    I have a very considerable knowledge of secret or black operations by US security interests over past half century.

  35. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    I think a number of people who post on this site see Iran’s enriching to 20 percent as part of programme to build nukes, potentially.

    What purpose is otherwise served by the stockpiling?

  36. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    As you well know, I opposed the idiotic US invasion of Iraq in 2003. I knew very well that Saddam Hussein would be overthrown in a matter of days or a few weeks. Where does “might makes right” figure into this equation?

  37. Smith says:

    FYI,

    Welcome back.

  38. Smith says:

    Let’s hope this continues until the western consumer starts to hurt,

    Oil futures tally 4-week gain of almost 15%: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/oil-adds-to-gains-as-dollar-eases-2013-07-19

  39. Smith says:

    nico says:
    July 19, 2013 at 7:05 am

    Accountability can be enforced by balance of forces. A weakling can never enforce accountability on powerful.

  40. Rd. says:

    Smith says:

    “Oil futures log a fourth-weekly gain in a row”

    The Algerian strongman is also reportedly ill. That does not bode well for oil prices either as the potential turmoil in N. Africa likely to expand beyond Egypt. and then there is winter and unpredictable weather patterns.
    so much for oil sanctions!!!!

  41. kooshy says:

    Iran’s Pivot to the East
    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/07/iran-trade-west-asia-economy.html

    “The real success story in Iranian exports is the expansion of the country’s potential in non-oil exports. In fact, the government has set a goal to achieve balanced trade between Iran’s non-oil exports and the country’s imports. Admittedly, the non-oil exports such as cement and petrochemicals are also partly dependent on the availability of inexpensive energy in the country. Nonetheless, the country is promoting non-oil exports to reduce its dependency on oil export revenues.

    Based on the latest statistics from the Iran Customs Administration, in the first three months of the current Iranian calendar year, which began on March 21, 2013, the value of Iran’s non-oil exports reached $7.7 billion while the value of imports stood at $9.4 million, i.e., a quarterly non-oil trade deficit of $1.7 billion.

    Taking into account the oil and gas exports, the country is producing a healthy trade surplus that will help the economy regain a new balance after years of failed economic and trade policies under the Ahmadinejad government. Though severe banking sanctions have impeded the repatriation of export revenues, Iran will develop new mechanisms to repatriate these funds and to boost its economy.”

  42. nico says:

    Smith says:
    July 19, 2013 at 8:49 pm
    “nico says:July 19, 2013 at 7:05 am
    Accountability can be enforced by balance of forces. A weakling can never enforce accountability on powerful.”

    Well maybe.
    However it does not mean that might makes right.
    See Cuba.
    See Bolivia.
    See NK.
    See Iran.
    Etc.

    Yes they suffer under the US yoke.
    But they deny the US the right to dominate.
    Because fortunately, there are other aspect to decision making than greed, lust, cowardice…

    For nihilistic thinkers as FYI there is no other way as slave master relationship.
    That is rubbish.

  43. Karl.. says:

    Gary Sick expose netanyahu, even if he could have gone harder against him.

    http://presstv.com/detail/2013/07/20/314660/netanyahu-hype-on-iran-hollow-g-sick/

  44. Karl.. says:

    James

    No James it is only you.
    I have 100s of nails does that mean I will build a nail-bomb?

  45. nico says:

    Snowden: Moment of truth for Russia, US
    By M K Bhadrakumar 

    http://atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-190713.html

    “For Russia, the Snowden case demands that it reboots the Kremlin’s foreign policy doctrine. So far it has been a foreign policy riveted on “national interests”. Now, ideology is making a comeback. It may not be Marxist ideology, but nonetheless a compelling humanistic ideology that gives primacy to “humanitarian considerations” in foreign policy.”

    “In sum, the charade of the US-Russia “reset” which Obama conjured up during his first term has outlived its utility. Selective engagement of Russia will no longer do. Russia demands a comprehensive, equal partnership based on mutual respect.”

    The NSA scandal is the last in a serie of US blunders, with Irak, Afghanistan, lybia, syria which is eroding the US status.
    The Snowden affair shed a crude light and is a test case on how the international relation will develop in the near future.

    The US unilateral moment is slowly coming to an end.
    Would the US politicians be wise enough to manage the transition smoothly ?

  46. Karl.. says:

    EU likely to label hezbollah terrorists on monday.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/17/us-eu-hezbollah-idUSBRE96G14020130717

    Success for the israeli-lobby that have held hearings in the EU past year about this.

  47. nico says:

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations

    Mr Canning,

    Here is the history of the US military interventions.
    Could you please for each one provide the excuse.
    No need for the last to date, those ones being because of the z-eye-ooonist.

    Thanks.

  48. nico says:

    Details about the threat made by the US to Venezuela over Snowden Asylum.

    http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_65830.shtml

    Hypotetically, would Hitler or Stalin made such threat ?

    Up to you to anwer to this question.

  49. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    Why would I seek to “excuse” the illegal and idiotic American invasion of Iraq in 2003? Or seek to excuse the US military intervention in Libya, when I thought that was unwise? As to Libya, Obama backed the intervention due to personal request of David Cameron.

  50. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    Putin made clear he was not so pleased to have Snowden sitting in a Russian airport.

  51. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    I do not say Iran is intending to get ready to build nukes quickly, and that Iran’s stockpiling of 20% uranium is evidence of that.

    Others, however, do say that. And these others include important commenters on foreign policy, in the UK and the US (and elsewhere).

  52. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    What is your position on North Korea? Most of the population lives in poverty, while ruling elite enjoys luxuries.

  53. James Canning says:

    Kooshy,

    I applaud Iran’s success in increasing its non-oil exports.

  54. Karl.. says:

    James

    Oh so if an american or british person say something, it must be true? You believe western world should rule over other non-western nations?

  55. James Canning says:

    Is it becoming clearer that the “tipping pont” that brought on the Egyptian army’s overthrow of Morsi, was Morsi’s support for the insurgency in Syria?

  56. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    July 20, 2013 at 1:26 pm
    “Nico,What is your position on North Korea? Most of the population lives in poverty, while ruling elite enjoys luxuries.”

    I made my posiition clear several time here.

    The US are the spoiler in the region and are doing all they can to avoid North and South Korea to be united again.
    It is in the US interest to fan distrust in order to keep South Korea subjugated and find excuses to keep military bases there and in Japan.

    Obviously in the US divide and rule policy it is not acceptable to have a united Korea with nukes.

    Thus the US policies with NK which seems nonsensical at first sight and US contorted diplomatic speeches.
    But when you kniw that all they want is to trample NK and that they do not not care a whit for Koreans all is becoming much clearer.

    As for NK regime, they are no saint.
    But SK is military dictatorship and non sovereign state.
    SK has a president, right, like Egypt.

    The difference I see between both Korea is economic development. With the US supporting SK while they are waterboarding NK.

    The economic case is somewhat similar to Iran (NK) and KSA (SK) in trrm of dupport from the US.
    But obviously NK has not the strategic position and mineral riches that Iran has.

    My take is that much of what is said about NK is propaganda and demonization from the presstitute.

    But I guess that you rightly buy in such BS as your bible is the FT.

    As a conclusion, the NK regime need to improve and is maybe ideologically backward.
    However no good is to be expected from the US.

  57. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    July 20, 2013 at 1:18 pm
    “Nico,Putin made clear he was not so pleased to have Snowden sitting in a Russian airport.”

    And I am sure Obama would be very happy to get Snowden as a “chrismas gift” and thow him in a dungeon for few decades without court hearing, and explain to american how a democrat he is.

    But like you said previously, whatever Putin and Obama feelings, “you know, unfortunately things happen”, and they have no choice but to deal with it.

  58. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    There are various ways to “deal with” a situation. Some ways are better than others. Putin knows this very well.

  59. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    Some Chinese leaders are thinking that reunification of Korea (and destruction of NK’s nukes) is the way forward.

    Is the US “blocking” this? I very much doubt it.

    I think the US should welcome grounds for pulling all American troops out of SK.

  60. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    I think Gideon Rachman and Philip Stephens of the Financial Times would both favor Korean reunification, destruction of NK’s nukes, and withdrwawal of US troops from SK.

  61. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    One might do well to remember the Financial Times reported in 2003 Iran’s efforts to help the US in Afghanistan and its effort to restore normal relations with the US.

    FT in 2006 reported efforts of neocons in Bush administration to prosecute the Leveretts criminally if they wrote in the New York Times what had already been reported in other newspapers etc (about Iran and its approach to the US).

  62. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    July 20, 2013 at 2:39 pm
    “Nico,Some Chinese leaders are thinking that reunification of Korea (and destruction of NK’s nukes) is the way forward.Is the US “blocking” this? I very much doubt it.I think the US should welcome grounds for pulling all American troops out of SK.”

    That is truly a laughable position.
    The US have military bases all over Europe and do not seem eager to leave.
    The US have military bases in Japan and when thry were invited to leave by the host country, the US pressured Japan not to.

    The US have military bases all over the wirld like a fascist imperial state.

    And you are suggesting they would like to leave SK ?

    Please do not embarass yourself.

  63. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    July 20, 2013 at 2:40 pm
    “Nico,I think Gideon Rachman and Philip Stephens of the Financial Times would both favor Korean reunification, destruction of NK’s nukes, and withdrwawal of US troops from SK.”

    And everybody would like the US to lead the nuclear disarment by scrapping unilaterally, let’s say 95% of their nukes right away.

    Not going to happen, when the US have the military bases and expenditure of a fascist state.

    Please check that.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-worldwide-network-of-us-military-bases/5564

    Like I said the FT is feeding you propaganda about the US democracy.

  64. Karl.. says:

    James

    So if an american or brittish person say something, it must be true?

  65. Richard Steven Hack says:

    Special appearance…

    Getting closer…

    US, Britain Push for Military Intervention in Syria
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-britain-push-for-military-intervention-in-syria/5343368

  66. nico says:

    Rsh, thanks for the link.
    However Russia will not let that happen, short of an unlikely broader understanding wih the US.
    And the recent Russian mega drill coul be seen in this context.

    http://en.rian.ru/military_news/20130713/182217505.html

  67. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    The opinion formed by leading commentators on foreign policy are opinions, not necessarily facts. Does anyone know as an absolute fact that the stockpiling of 20 percent enriched uranium has ZERO to do with the wishes of some Iranian leaders, that Iran try to build nukes?

    Iran’s stockpiling of 20% U has done a good deal to sway crucial opinion making, in the US and Britain, toward the conclusion Iran is trying to get closer to an ability to build nukes quickly. Surely you agree this is a fair assessment.

  68. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    I think Obama favors getting rid of all nukes. But not “right away”.

  69. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    I think there would be considerable interest in the US for removal of US forces from Korea, as part of a deal for unification of SK and NK (including getting rid of NK nukes). Nothing “laughable” about the notion.

  70. Rd. says:

    kooshy says:

    Iran’s Pivot to the East

    “If we look at the official statistics of the first quarter of the current Iranian year, the ratio is 75% (Asian trading partners) and 25% (rest of the world). The 2012 EU-wide trade with Iran had dropped to 12.8 billion euros from 27.8 billion euros in 2011″”

    “When you impede the rich man’s ability to make money, anything is negotiable.” –Martin Luther King Jr.

    The %20 mind set thinking is simply unable to comprehend the reality…….

    1979 brought about independence,, now it is time for complete economic independence from west..

  71. Sineva says:

    James Canning says:
    July 20, 2013 at 6:18 pm
    James iran is completely within its rights to produce 20% enriched uranium,if the west does not like this it should look at renegotiating the npt,otherwise what the west thinks or suspects is of no importance its just more western hypocrisy,double standards and lies which sadly you seem to subscribe to,iran does not have to prove its innocence.You seem utterly unwilling or unable to comprehend this simple fact,its not 20% enrichment thats the problem for the west ITS ENRICHMENT PERIOD!!

  72. Persian Gulf says:

    I am wondering why Iran is not offering asylum to Mr. Snowden. Traveling from Russia to Iran would be very easy for him. I haven’t seen any debate about giving him asylum status in Iran’s official media.

    Wouldn’t it be a good PR campaign?

  73. abdol says:

    Persian gulf,
    Such a move by iran cannot be justified and emotion in political discourse has no room. Now that iran has just elected a new president and is scoring some good PR such action would only serve the zionist in its continuous demonization of iran.
    And come to think of it the world is still at the stage of might makes right, see what they did to the president of Bolivia. That should inform you about the state of mind of these people. They are total degenerate and you can only deal with such people from the position of strength.

  74. nico says:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20130720/lt-venezuela-us/

     “Venezuela says it’s ending talks with the United States to restore normal relations because Washington’s U.N. ambassador-designate criticized its human rights record.”

    “Those prospects dimmed after Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro later offered asylum to U.S. leaker Edward Snowden. Kerry subsequently called Jaua and threatened unspecified action if Snowden wound up in Venezuelan hands.”

  75. Karl.. says:

    James

    Well I asked you, you were the one claiming for sure that 20% is about nuclear weapons work.

  76. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    July 20, 2013 at 6:20 pm
    “Nico,I think Obama favors getting rid of all nukes. But not “right away”.”

    Laughable.
    That is exactly what Obama is demanding NK to do.

  77. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    July 20, 2013 at 6:22 pm
    “Nico,I think there would be considerable interest in the US for removal of US forces from Korea, as part of a deal for unification of SK and NK (including getting rid of NK nukes). Nothing “laughable” about the notion.”

    Laughable delusion.
    Do you suggest the Asian pivot policy is made for troops removal there ?

  78. nico says:

    http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/20/press-freedoms-manning-risen

    Good Article from Greenwald.

    The US are at a crossroad and are officially becoming a surveilkance and fascist state.
    So much for Mr Canning, Carter inspired, comment about the US democracy.

  79. nico says:

    http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/19/bradley-manning-trial-aiding-the-enemy-charge

    Bradley Manning ‘aiding the enemy’ charge is a threat to journalism (and democracy)

    Again the Manning and Snowden cases are a test for rhe US democracy.

    I have to say (reluctantly) that the Guardian is doing a good job on those subjects.

  80. Persian Gulf says:

    abdol says:
    July 21, 2013 at 12:16 am

    I see your argument as inconsistent. you are hoping for an unspecified reciprocation by your advocate of inaction while the enemy is, even based on Snowden’s revelations, busy destroying you tirelessly. your argument reminds me of reformists era delusion (like Afghanistan’s case or the nuclear one). over the past 3 decades, our major foreign policy gains were obtained at the time we were ready for confrontation and stood tall in every major event. Snowden’s case would have given Iran an ample opportunity to hit back at the right time and combine it with her election results. Not that Russia would have let Snowden go, but the mere asylum gesture would have served a good PR campaign. I think this transition to the new government destroyed that chance with a lame duck president that is busy proving what he did over the past 8 years in office than anything else.

    I see the election of the new president only repairing the wound in a segment of internal constituency and somehow discredited outside oppositions. nothing more than that unless you live in a different world.

    it did not have that much of an effect in the middle east either. it’s painful to say here that the events of the past 2-3 years in ME showed that only Iran’s message of “independence” might be attractive in the greater ME at some point in future and not “political Islam”. or any form of political Islam in the Sunni part of the middle east is pointless for Iran. I think brother Assad was very honest in his characterization of political Islam in the Sunni world being dead.

    if you could get anything positive out of this Mr.Canning, you will get something positive from the governments he represents with your recommended approach too. My hunch is you will be disappointed. I will be happy if I am proven wrong. let’s wait and see.
    thanks God Ahmadinejad did not have people like you as advisers back in 2005-2006.

  81. nico says:

    Persian Gulf says:
    July 21, 2013 at 11:05 am

    I suspect that Iran under Rohani will not make as much progress as under Ahmadinejad.
    Actually, Rohani seems to be a reformist for social matters. But as a cleric insider it remains to be seen by how far.
    However, for economic or foreign policied he seems not bold enough to push Iran forward.
    Would Rohani have implemented the reform of subsidies or carried out the 20% enrichment. Not likely.

    But after a phase of fast political development and foreign pressure it is maybe the phase of appeasment and consolidation needed for Iran and its democratic breath.
    As for Snowden, it seems Iran has enough principled stances in its basket at the moment to put an additional one on its back.
    That would be counterproductive.
    It is phase of consolidation of the gains of previous years and it seems important to manage it as such.

    Let Russia and other countries take their responsibilities as well. Iran is not the savior of the world.

  82. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    Is the so-called “pivot toward Asia” anything more than a PR phrase?

    China wants NK to get rid of its nukes. So does Russia. And Japan. What way do you see for accomplihsing their wishes?

  83. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    I think Iran continues to stockpile 20% U because Iranian leaders fear loss of face if they stop enriching to 20 without obtaining any concession of significance in return.

    Fair statement?

  84. Tuyzentfloot says:

    There have been articles on Iran before that referenced the book ‘Getting to Yes’ by Roger Fisher and William Ury. Well I have it here, as well as Fisher’s book ‘Beyond Macchiavelli’ which has many cases of international conflicts, and I thought it does a good job of getting the point across that you have to put yourself in the other party’s shoes. Not ‘enough to figure out some form of saving face for them’, but thoroughly, to the extent that you spell out what you think is their perception of the situation, and that they will confirm that you’ve understood them. I don’t want to generalize this to something like ‘they haven’t understood Fisher’, but I do think hegemonistic thinking conflicts in a special way with getting in the other person’s shoes. A hegemon isn’t just weak at it, s/he also thinks it’s a bad idea to even try it. It interferes with taking a position of authority.

  85. James Canning says:

    Sineva,

    I support Iran’s demand that its enrichment to 5% or lower be accepted by P5+1.

    I do not think Obama will accept enrichment to 20.

    France apparently is strongly opposed to any enrichment by Iran.

  86. James Canning says:

    Persian Gulf,

    What advice do you think I would have given Ahmadinejad in 2005-06?

  87. James Canning says:

    Rd.,

    Are China, Japan and India “the west” in your thinking, regarding Iran’s need to “turn east” for economic independence? China insists Iran stop enriching to 20.

  88. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    July 21, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    “Nico,
    Is the so-called “pivot toward Asia” anything more than a PR phrase?”
    Maybe that was a joke from Obama. One should not discard this option given the man love for truth.
    Sure a country where someone like Obama could sing lies all day long and the citizens could not understand anything while the policies on the ground are agressive and hegemonic with inflated security state and stasi like homeland services.
    Well, I call it an orwellian fascist state. Not a democracy.

    “China wants NK to get rid of its nukes. So does Russia. And Japan. What way do you see for accomplihsing their wishes?”
    I already answered to that question few thread ago.
    Is your question rhetorical or is it some kind of psychotic disorder like the 20% stuff.

  89. nico says:

    Tuyzentfloot says:
    July 21, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    At top level of decision making in the US, they perfectly know what they are doing.
    You are suggesting the US is not able to find a solution even if they would like to due to some kind of pshchologic limitation.
    While it is obvious, the tactical policies are pretty well calculated and converge to the US strategic goal.
    That is divide and rule and dominate whatever the immoral and criminal means.
    There is no other explanation for the hyperinflated military expenditure of the US.

    Sorry, there is no good to expect from the US leaderdip save a major change of mindset and macro policies.

    Not going to happen in the current administration

  90. Karl.. says:

    James

    So Iran is only allowed to do this or that if France and U.S. says so?
    You think nonwestern states are inferior western powers James?

  91. Tuyzentfloot says:

    @Nico
    You are suggesting the US is not able to find a solution even if they would like to due to some kind of pshchologic limitation.

    I’m certainly not suggesting that intentionally. I’m only pointing out a contrast between namedropping the late Roger Fischer’s work and what’s actually in his books, and I’m making a connection with hegemonic tendencies in US policy. There’s no hurry to draw any major conclusions from that.

  92. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    Gemrany may well proceed with closing all its nuclear power plants. Would this make Germany “inferior” to France, which has a large nuclear power industry?

    I take it you think enriching to 20% is a matter of pride for Iran.

  93. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    You claimed Obama’s preposterous (to me) “pivot” to Asia meant the US would be unwilling to withdraw US troops from South Korea, even as part of a deal to reunify SK with North Korea.

    I think you are simply wrong.

    And yes, the “defence” contractors in the US and their stooges in US Congress etc etc, do a good deal of damage to the US.

  94. Persian Gulf says:

    James Canning says:
    July 21, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    You tell us.

  95. Dan Cooper says:

    The United States has eliminated any possible Arab military challenge to Israel’s absolute military domination of the Mideast by destroying Iraq as a functioning state and then fueling Syria’s civil war. Egypt, once Israel’s leading foe, has been bought off by American money.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35610.htm

  96. Avg American says:

    @Nico and James Canning

    It appears that there is a constant disagreement between the two of you regarding the “israeli” factor influencing current and most recent US Middle East policies. It is interesting to me that the above referenced article furnished by Dan Cooper in information clearing house explains that israel is basically a leading force in deciding if the US goes to war, how they depict a middle eastern country to americans and others. It is not a stretch to believe the information in this referenced article. It makes sense to believe it. Looking back 60 years ago in American history I don’t think the israeli factor was that influential toward US middle east policies but today and over the past 13 years or so I think it has been a huge factor. I am not sure how and why this changed. I am not that knowledgeable on these historical facts but given the past 10 years events it does appear to be that israel has a large influence on how the mid east policy goes in the US. The sad thing about this is the following: These absurd amounts of $$$ dished out to begin wars and continue them have cost lives and are and still paid for on the backs of an average american citizen. However, now that probably 1/3 of the population is disabled the average american tax payer can pay even more for a crazy idiotic war brought on by power hungry imperialistic nut cakes.
    In conclusion, how do you both feel about this article is it propaganda or does it lean toward reality? Thank you for your opinions.

  97. Sineva says:

    James Canning says:
    July 21, 2013 at 1:20 pm
    No james the west is opposed to any enrichment and it has made this crystal clear,you can ignore it all you like,until the west accepts iranian enrichment there is nothing to talk about

  98. Dan Cooper says:

    In America , Obama is in office but Israel Lobby is in power.

  99. Dan Cooper says:

    Avg American says:

    July 21, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    “Until we neutralize the pervasive power of the Zionist Power Configuration in all of its manifestations – In American public and civic life – and its deep penetration of American legislative and executive offices, We will fall short of preventing Israel from receiving the arms, funding and political backing to sustain its wars of ethnic extermination and turning the Middle east to an inferno.

    http://petras.lahaine.org/?p=1921

  100. abdol says:

    Persian gulf
    It seems you misunderstood me. I am not an advocate of moderation with the west because they perceive any attempt at detente as a retreat by iran. However why go about picking unnecessary confrontation with your opponent.
    Let’s be reasonable even Ahmadinejad was not after confrontation he only stood up for what was clearly iran’s inalienable rights and the true values of the iran Islamic revolution like the palestinian issue and the resistance axis. Iran leaders are rational decision makers even acknowledged by the enemy. You of all people should know better.
    But I stand to be correct if you have anything to refute my argument.

  101. nico says:

    Avg American says:
    July 21, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    “@Nico and James Canning
    It appears that there is a constant disagreement between the two of you regarding the “israeli” factor influencing current and most recent US Middle East policies”

    The notion that zionist and Israel are responible for all the US deeds in the ME is naive and delusional.
    That the lobby hold influence, right.
    However it is not the driving force of the US criminal behaviours or lack of morality.

    Suffice to see the US behaviour in Latin America.
    Panama, Cuba, Colombia, Ecuador, Chile, Argentina, etc…
    How many coups ?
    How many military intervention ?
    How much pressure and threat ?

    Up to this day, the Monroe doctrine define Latin America as US owned, to be done and used at the US leisure and pleasure.
    Are the zionists responsible for this steady trend of US crimes in Latin America for 2 centuries ?

    Now what does it tell about the ME which is the heart of the energy export to the world ?

    My differences with Mr Canning is that he implies that the US would act in a more moral fashion without the Lobby.
    While it is obviously not the case.
    The US propaganda and exceptionalism push to brlieve the contrary. But that is lie.

    The US want to control all world oil. The US consider that they own the world oil.
    As I stated in a previous thread by impoding the petrodollar in 1973, that is the current status of oil ownership.
    The US could print as much USD as they want and the oil must be sold in USD (or the oil seller country is anihilated by the US military). In addition every and each country wanting to buy oil need to get USD which could be denied by the US.
    Thus yes, the US basically own world oil reserves intended for exports.

    Now comes the 1980 Carter doctrine in which the US officially declare to other outside powers that the US own the PG oil.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Doctrine

    “In The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money, and Power, author Daniel Yergin notes that the Carter Doctrine “bore striking similarities” to a 1903 British declaration, in which British Foreign SecretaryLord Landsdowne warned Russia and Germany that the British would “regard the establishment of a naval base or of a fortified port in the Persian Gulf by any other power as a very grave menace to British interests, and we should certainly resist it with all the means at our disposal.”[3]”

    Incidentally the 1980 Carter doctrine and the 1903 Landsdowne doctrine are totaly similar to the 1992 Wolfowitz doctrine.
    The Carter doctrine was directed to the soviets but was incidentally directed to Iran after the 1979 Islamic revolution.

    Now what does it tells about the relation in the ME ?

    Well it clearly demonstrates that the US are after domination and illegitimate interests, they recognize it and are ready to implement it through immoral means.

    Not that the US needs the ME oil. No, they only need to dominate the ME to satisfy their greed and lust for power.
    So much for natives people self determination and human rights.

    All the power the US policy goals and alliances in the ME are aimed at maintening this domination structure.

    Obviously the US strategic goals being illegitimate, immoral ane and racist by nature, they absolutely needs illegitimate ME natives power structures to help them in their domination project.

    Do I need to make a list of morally illegitimate regimes in the region which are supported to the hilt by the US ?
    Do I need to make a list of morally legitimate regimes in the region which are demonized by the western presstitutes and the fascist policies of the US ?

    As a conclusion, I do not deny the immoral nature and major influence of the zionists over the US policy making.
    What I suggest is that in the hierarchy of evil the US illigetimate and immoral policies of colonialism and world domination, are well above and beyond the zionists influence.
    What I suggest is that attacking the zionists without taking into account the more important western white colonial mindset is a deception, trickery and delusion out exceptionalism.

  102. Hurth says:

    Hello,

    I highly recommend you the following very revealing and interesting interview about Iran, democracy, Rouhani and the “green movement”.

    http://www.fairobserver.com/article/iran-democracy-rouhani-green-movement-part-1

    Enjoy the read.

  103. Karl.. says:

    James

    Why would Germany be inferior to france if they closed their plants? What does that even mean? Is this a way to not reply to my question?

    Again is Iran only allowed to this or that if France or US says so?

    If Iran says that UK must end its nuclear program, you think UK must obey?

  104. Smith says:

    Karl.. says:
    July 22, 2013 at 7:58 am

    “If Iran says that UK must end its nuclear program, you think UK must obey?”

    I do not think you can expect a rational response from him. He thinks of Iranians as animals that can be domesticated and put into “good” use in line to serve the interests of england and him. He similar to the leaders of his country, can never see and accept Iranians as equal human beings who have the right to the same things as other human beings eg. the right to have nuclear weapons as UK has them. In fact these racists are so afraid of Iranians exercising this right of theirs under article 10 of NPT, that they wet their pants day and day out. They think of Iran and Iranians as animal slaves that are owned by england.

  105. abdol says:

    I have been following these forum for some years and I have come to observe one thing and it is that james canning is a reflection of his society, a society that has turn humanity on is head.

    Notice that no matter how much you prove james wrong, he is not ashamed to stick with his absurd positions. Also notice the group his nation is promoting in the middle east, get the gist? Yes! The takfiris, don’t you see the similarities between them and james.

    Even after committing all sorts of barbarity they still think what they are doing is the best solution to humanity’s problem. So engage james if you want to but please do not waste too much time on him. James is way beyond redemption just like the takfiris.

  106. abdol says:

    The idea that zionist israel is controlling america’s middle east policy only serves to hide the truth.

    The real power behind america’s policies are the transnational cooperation companies that benefited from all the troubles that are created by these policies.
    Take a look at the marshal plan after ww2, who benefited from it, what of all the coup in south america, africa and asia? Let’s face it, america’s own imperialism represented by all these TCC is the real problem that we are faced with be it in any region of the world.

    The zionist state of israel is just another convenient pawn in these age old greed of human nature. Does the names behind the balfour declaration and the creation of israel ring a bell?

  107. fyi says:

    abdol says:

    July 22, 2013 at 11:17 am

    No, no no.

    American protestants (as well as their co-religionists in UK) are in loving awe of Israel – Ancient & Modern.

    They are now in a religious war with all of Islam over the fantasy project of Jews in Palestine.

    Because of their strategic superiotrity, they have had every expectation of “winning”; yet they have failed to crush Islamic people to accept that project.

    Americans and Europeans are loath to admit that they have entered, through their own policies – entered a religious war. Until that is admitted by their planners and leaders, there could be no progress.

  108. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 21, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    There would be a small deal with Iran sometime in 2014.

    But that deal will not alter the strategic posture of Iran or the Axis Powers; the sanctions as well as the war in Syria – in some form – will continue.

    The United States and the European Union and their local allies (Arabs of the Persian Gulf, Turkey) have spent too much and committed even more errors of judgement against Iran to do otherwise.

    Unit the US planners re-assess their judgements, there will be no change – that revision, in my opinion, lies decades into the future.

    The steadfast resistance of Iran to the diktats of Axis Powers has conclusively demonstrated that no only Iran is the only functioning state between Hind Kush to the Mediterranean Sea but also the most powerful one.

    As the ancient Chinese saying goes: “One is as rich as what one can live without.” – Iranians – by having endured the economic war against them and having absorbed numerous Black Operations against them – have exhibited the power of their state and polity.

    Whether US or France or China or Russia or anyone else accpets this or that level of uranium enrichment in Iran is no longer relevant; we have entered a qualitatively different era.

    For Americans, if they truly desire strategic settlement with Iran, they must accept any and all Iranian nuclear projects as long as they formally within NPT. This cannot happen under Mr. Obama or his successors any time soon.

  109. nico says:

    fyi says:
    July 22, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Do you mean the people in the US congress, the white house, the senate and the US administration are religious extremists ? All praying all day long and hell bent in their expectation of the messiah ?

    Mmmmh… Not so sure.

  110. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Diplomats close to P5+1 say it is unlikely Iranian enrichment to 20% would be allowed, in any deal.

    Iran needs a deal, even if you think otherwise.

  111. James Canning says:

    abdol,

    It is not ISRAEL that largely controls US foreign policy related to Israel. It is the ISRAEL LOBBY. Domestic American Jewish organisations (and other groups), rich and powerful individuals, etc etc etc.

  112. James Canning says:

    Smith,

    Russia, China, Germany, the US, France, and the UK, all apparently agree Iran must stop enriching uranium to 20% as part of any deal.

    Who argues this is not a correct statement?

  113. James Canning says:

    abdol,

    Lord Balfour’s famous letter to Lord Rothschild in 1917 DID NOT provide for setting up a Jewish state in Palestine. Your implicit claim to this effect is simply quite wrong.

  114. James Canning says:

    abdol,

    What “group in the Middle East” am I “promoting”?

  115. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 22, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    There is no take in “Allow” – the world has moved on and with it the strategic situation.

    Iran may or may not need a deal – but that deal – in 2014 – will alter the strategic situation.

  116. James Canning says:

    Karl..

    Iran is not a part of a group negotiating with Britain to end Britain’s nucleasr programme. Or to end France’s programme.

    Iran is negotiating with Six Powers and needs to make a deal.

  117. fyi says:

    nico says:

    July 22, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Since you live in the European Union – you can observe the zeal for Israel there.

    That zeal is not rational – it makes no sense for EU states, but it is there as something beyond questioning.

    Jews are the only people that in teh opinion of very many Europeans are entitled to have a religion – the rest of religious people in the world are benighted fools.

    In US and UK, the protestants are still dominant – with their delusions of having constructed a “Rational” religion – claiming, indeed, to have emasculated the Passion of Jesus as told in the Four Gospels.

  118. fyi says:

    fyi says:

    July 22, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    James Canning says:

    July 22, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    There is no take in “Allow” – the world has moved on and with it the strategic situation.

    Iran may or may not need a deal – but that deal – in 2014 – will NOT alter the strategic situation.

  119. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 22, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    It is correct statement but also irrelevant.

    War was joined against iran – in Syria and on the economic front.

    That such statements are now only of historical interest.

  120. Karl.. says:

    James

    If P5+1 is about making a deal with Iran as you say, why then do you keep saying that Iran must stop enriching at 20% just because US, France says (or whatever state) so?

  121. nico says:

    fyi says:
    July 22, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Partially correct but in my opinion globally wrong.

    Sure jewish religion and institutions have a dpecial position in Europe as in US.

    However the true name of the game is Imperialism and Colonialism.

    Consider France and UK involvement in Syria.
    Is it out of a religious belief ?
    Or is it rather like the good ol’ days.
    Meaning like the Sykes-Picot agreement, like the suez canal crisis, like the 1953 coup, like the Iran-Irak war ?
    What was religious for western countries in those events ?

    At the fall of the soviets, the US definitely set the standard of international relations by declaring open a new imperialist era.
    Not the one were the imperial powers anihilated each other.
    But an era of ultra-imperialism where the dominant powers know their position
    An era where each are struggling to win points against the other but are in league and agree in the division of the world between the have and the not have.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-imperialism
    Major powers forming a cartel in order to allow a coexistance between themselves and continuing the exploitation of the not have.

    What we see in the ME have several aspects.
    First it is the need fir the US to keep theircdivide and rule policy.
    Second it is tectonic encounter and coexistence in the cartel with the US trying to expend their influence in central Asia at the expense of China, Russia and at lesser measure India.
    Third there is the goal to keep Iran out of the Cartel for obvious reasons.

    The Cartel is quite exclusive and Iran did not earn the member’s card yet.
    You kniw Japan and Germany have no card, and likely never in the future.
    Why would thoze powers and specially the historical Westerners provide one to Iran ?

    Nothing religious about that.

    To answer AGAIN to Mr Canning question about China and Russua podition regarding the 20% matter.
    Yes, China and Russia are part of tge Cartel.
    But they need to adjust their stance with the internal struggle in the cartel.
    Thus Russia and China have a different view about Iran nuclear stance as thry considercthat they need to stop the US expensionism.
    They realize as well that an Iran war would have indesirable consequences.
    Thus there is no more cohesion with the US about the nuclear issue.

    Iran need to adjust to those realities. And needs to typically balance the cartel blocks inconsistencies in order to achieve its goal.

    My idealistic views do not forbid me to be realistic.

    The point is that this era of ultra imperialism is allowed by the cynical and imoral posture of the US.
    The US set the standard. And it was set quite low if not worse.

  122. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    Germany is the strongest country in Europe. Surely you are aware of that fact.

    NK’s nukes add next to nothing to the power of North Korea.

  123. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    The American military presence in Central Asia owes a good deal to the ill-conceinved Nato military mission in Afghanistan. Which of course is slowly ending.

    Russia and China have little to fear from temporary US bases in Central Asia.

    China ran a trade surplus of more than $300 billion, with the US, last year.

  124. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    My point is simply that Iran needs a deal with P5+1 and diplomats familiar with thinking of Six Powers say it would have to include an end to Iranian enrichment to 20%.

  125. fyi says:

    nico says:

    July 22, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    US (and UK) out of Protestant Christian zeal for Israel – ancient and modern – have taken upon themselves to enable the Jewish fantasies in Palesntine.

    Objectively, that project is based on legends of Kingdoms of David and Solomon – for which no shred of evidence has been obtained during more than 100 years of zealous archeological search in Palestine.

    No evidence has been un-earthed since no such Kingdoms had ever existed; romances have become motivators of nations in this case.

    This is a religious project par excellence – US and UK never benefited in any way from their involvement with this project. On the contrary, the United States, whose name is now mud among Muslims, has paid a very heavy price and continues to pay a heavy price in support of this project – quite willingly it seems.

    On the other hand, Arabs and later Muslims, are opposed to this project based on their religious and other convictions. Per the Islamic Tradition, the mosques at the Al Haram Al Sharif are over sites endowed with spiritual and religious significance for Muslims.

    may be at one time – say in 1920s – when both Christian and Muslim Arabs were opposing the ingress of European Jews into Palestine this war was one of land and colonialism – no longer.

    We are in a religious war and with a lot of effort by Muslim and CHristian political and religious leaders and with a lot more money, the war can be reduced from one over religion to one over land etc.

    But we are not there yet.

    Even that limited effort would require strategic understanding between the Axis Powers and Iran; decades into the future.

  126. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    July 22, 2013 at 2:37 pm
    “Nico,The American military presence in Central Asia owes a good deal to the ill-conceinved Nato military mission in Afghanistan. Which of course is slowly ending.”

    Something to do with the Lobby ?
    Something religious about that ?
    The US would like to keep military bases here. And they would like to get their sponsored pipeline.
    You know like in Japan or Germany.
    Are you denying those US goals ?
    Could you met me know what is your explanation of the US troops in Germany ?

    “Russia and China have little to fear from temporary US bases in Central Asia.China ran a trade surplus of more than $300 billion, with the US, last year.”
    Remind the bases in Japan, SK and Germany ? Temporary ?
    Regarding the trade surplus. Do you mean it is viable and likely to continue ?
    I remind you that we are right in a most serious economic crisis.

  127. Karl.. says:

    James

    Yes we know your point by now, Iran must do this or that because this or that state says so, which of course have nothing to do with negogitions but with demands.

  128. abdol says:

    Fyi

    I disagree with you, the leaders of the western nations have no religion other than money and power. And they will go to any length to achieve these.

    Those religious zealous emotion are just been exploited by the western capitalists and political class. Its like you saying the crusade war was waged by the west because of their devotion to christianity. That is absolute fallacy.

    The west lead by america in its quest for world dominance would explore every avenue to achieve its imperial agenda. The focus on Islam is base on the fact that true Islam as represented by iran is still standing in their way and until they are able to overcome these, they would do turn to any evil machinations.

  129. fyi says:

    abdol says:

    July 22, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    Keep telling yourself that, may be you can start believing it.

  130. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    The art of diplomacy must of necessity focus on what is achievable. Little point in pretending something is available when both sides know this is not the case.

  131. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Goiod point about the invented part of “Israeli” history in “Israel” (Palestine).

  132. Karl.. says:

    James

    What is that suppose to mean?

  133. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    July 22, 2013 at 3:47 pm
    “Karl..,The art of diplomacy must of necessity focus on what is achievable. Little point in pretending something is available when both sides know this is not the case.”

    Karl.. says:
    July 22, 2013 at 4:18 pm
    “JamesWhat is that suppose to mean?”

    I have to confess this one gave me a real chuckle.

    I have to confess that Mr

  134. nico says:

    All

    Soon, no more obstacles to the new Sykes-Picot by Thierry Meyssan
    http://www.voltairenet.org/article179521.html

    I am not sure about the analysis of Mr Meyssan.
    But at least it connects the dots.

    It seems reasonable to assume that a broad understanding has been reached by the axis powers not to support political (sunni) islam through the MB.
    It is difficult to do not think that the coup in Egypt, the change in leadership in Qatar, and the stance of the US toward the extremists in Syria are not somehow related.

    In the same movement the US is threatening more than ever a direct intervention in Syria while Russia shows muscles with a surprise military mega drill.

    But, there is no sense of urgency in the MSM.
    Meaning that it is likely posturing for negociation to come.

    In this context is the show during the hearing of Ms Power like some kind of PR to prepare the argument for those negociations ?

    For Iran to play a role in those negociations, direct diplomatic contact with the US is mandatoty.

    The new and much surprising posture of the US congress regarding Iran following Rohani election is another indication that something is at play.

    The nuclear issue being ripe for a settlement, and is only an excuse for cobtainment, what is lacking is a braoder understanding of Iran position in the game of power in the ME.
    Revolutionary Iran being the wild horse.

    With a pragmatic and moderate like Rohani, maybe it is time to find a modus vivendi.

    That is wide speculation.
    But that could make sense and it seems there is convergence of events in that direction.

    All remarks welcomed.

  135. nico says:

    Additional dot.
    The weakening of Turkey with the recent uprising.
    MB’s Erdogan accused the axis powers for their influence.

  136. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    My point is simply that, as indicated by Jalili in his interview with the Financial Times prior to the election in Iran, any P5+1 deal that would include an end to Iranian enrichment to 20% would be satisfactory provided enrichment to 5% was allowed.

    I think the US makes a mistake by demanding an end to enrichment to 5%.

  137. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    Perhaps you were asking about my comment to fyi. ? Mondoweiss.net is great site for discussion of “invented” history of the Jews in Palestine.

  138. Persian Gulf says:

    abdol says:
    July 22, 2013 at 4:25 am

    It does not seem to be “picking up an unnecessary” fight. It’s in fact putting the ball in the enemy’s court, something Ahmadinejad, admittedly, did by his questioning of the magnitude of the Holocaust. Ahmadinejad explicitly said in the presidential debate that this single attack discredited the west on its 3 decades long claims of human rights BS.

    The EU just put Hezbollah on its terror list today. one would assume the last thing EU needs at this time is this move. but they still do these things.

    I think it was an opportune time for Iran to maneuver a bit and make some noises. at least to pay back the propaganda of the last 4 years. looks like we will have to agree to disagree on this point.

  139. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    July 22, 2013 at 11:59 am

    I am fully agreed with you.

  140. abdol says:

    nico says:
    July 22, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    I agree with you, one cannot consider a nation that has got a US military base on its soil an independent nation as is the case with germany, japan and south korea.

    But for people like james canning, it begins and end with their stomach (economy), as dignity have no room in their world view.

  141. Sineva says:

    Persian Gulf says:
    July 22, 2013 at 8:59 pm
    Its an excellent idea PG and I think they`re throwing away an enormous propaganda victory,but the problem is that there are some within the iraninan political elite who are hoping that the election of a new president might perhaps give the us an opportunity to try talking with iran and that offering asylum or doing anything to offend the us could scupper this [false] hope,personally I think this cold war is here for the long run,but hey let the “moderates” have their shot,whats the worst that could happen?

  142. Karl... says:

    James

    That wasnt the question, the question were that you think some nations have the right to decide over other nations.

  143. nico says:

    War against Iran, Iraq AND Syria? By Pepe Escobar
    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-04-230713.html

    “So what’s next? It’s not far-fetched to imagine the EU totally forgetting about a pipeline that will ultimately benefit its citizens and issuing – under US pressure – a directive branding Iran-Iraq-Syria as a terrorist axis; lobbying for a no-fly zone applying to all; and recruiting jihadis all over for a Holy War against the axis, supported by a fatwa issued by Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi. But first they would need Washington’s approval. As a matter of fact, they might even get it.”

    It seems quite fool for EU to enage is such extremist war of attrition.
    Is that a preparation of the ground for a wider deal as suggested by Mr Meyssan ?
    I guess it would answer the question about wheteher it is a religious war or not.

  144. nico says:

    Syria isn’t about Syria anymore by Eric Shimp
    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-03-230713.html

    “Another peace summit, however, will matter little to the key parties on the ground. The fight is too far underway and the stakes are too high. A ready supply of foreign Sunni fighters and arms, including the potential introduction of heavy weapons from the EU and US may well ensure a prolonged conflict ultimately draining to Iran and potentially critically destabilizing to Hezbollah.”

    Here the author foresee a statu quo with the war continuing in order to weaken Hezbollah and Iran.
    This scenario seems likely.
    What is lacking on the axis of resistance side is a trump card.
    Why the axis if power would be ready to settle the issue ?
    For the moment there is no major threat for them.
    The only thing I guess that could provide such leverage for settlement is a credible threat of official war between the axis of resistance and the axis of powers.

  145. Persian Gulf says:

    Sineva

    Well, nothing happens. It’s just a lost opportunity. The idea of not doing anything bc the other side might be offended does not bode well with the records. For that sort of favourable environment to be created, we would have seen a different tone in the media at least. I don’t see much difference between now and let’s say a year ago or two. We are still demonized and under heavy sanctions. But let’s wait few more months and see.

    The U.S willingly talked to Iran about Iraq shortly after Ahmadinejad’s Holocaust noise. The atmosphere was way more tense back then compared to now.

  146. Sineva says:

    I totally agree,indeed there is absolutely no sign that the us is rethinking its approach to iran or the wider middle east,its rhetoric and policies remain exactly the same,and even if we saw a change in its rhetoric its a change in its actions that is needed

  147. Karl.. says:

    Persian Gulf / Sineva

    I agree too there is no change in attitude. Past week I saw that Iran had invited ALL nations for the inaguration of Rohani. That would be a great time for US to send an envoy. Just imagine if Kerry were sent there, what a breakthrough that would have been, (of course that wont happen) and it is those kind of bold moves that needs to be taken.

    I also saw this article today, small steps, but still.

    http://presstv.com/detail/2013/07/23/315200/iran-congratulates-uk-on-royal-baby/

  148. jay says:

    All,

    Citizens of the “once was” democracy-seeking states, clinging on to the remnants of the memory of democracy they once though they knew, continue to feel an intrinsic sense of entitlement. At least some do. Entitlement to decide “how the world is”, “who can”, or “what can be done” – the world order. After all, these “once were” democratic states, believe that they are exclusive in their yearning for a better human condition. These citizens of the “once were” states forbid their minds to step outside the perimeter of their delusions because, once outside, they have to face the staggering contradiction – that they live in a failed, non-functioning, quasi-fascist, security state. The “West”.

    Regrettably, there are many non-democracies, yet the distinguishing characteristic of some of the “once were” citizens of the “West” is the sense of entitlement.

    Attempts to invite, coax, prod, or entice the citizens of the “once were” to the world outside of their zone of comfort will not succeed. Until and unless, they grow strong enough to confront their fears – that they share so much with so many other failed states.

    It is hopeless to reason with the autocratic mind of the “once were” citizens! Do you recognize anyone?

  149. fyi says:

    Karl.. says:

    July 23, 2013 at 9:50 am

    US was not invited.

  150. Karl.. says:

    fyi

    Yes I just saw that now. I think that was very unfortunate.

  151. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    I agree with you that John Kerry should have sent someone to Iran for inauguration of the new president.

  152. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    Yes, subject to an invitation (as noted by FYI).

    Did you see the comments by James Matthis? (US general formerly in command at CENTCOM)

  153. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    Are you arguing the existence of the P5+1 as a party to the negotiations with Iran, is not acceptable (in your view)?

  154. James Canning says:

    abdol,

    What precisely is the “dignity” element you claim I am apparently unable to see, regarding the P5+1 negotiations with Iran?

    Are you claiming Saeed Jalili was wrong to say in effect it was no big deal for Iran to continue to enrich urnaium to 20%?

    Be specfic.

  155. Karl.. says:

    James

    I am for negogiations, not demands.

  156. Karl.. says:

    James

    No what did Matthis say?

  157. James Canning says:

    abdol,

    Is Cuba an independent country, in your view?

  158. Richard Steven Hack says:

    Special appearance… This is the guy, along with the Pritzker family in Chicago, who owns and operates Obama…

    Obama confidante says Iran would not use nuke against Israel, but ‘I still think he will pull the trigger’
    http://mondoweiss.net/2013/07/obama-confidante-says-iran-would-not-use-nuke-against-israel-but-i-still-think-he-will-pull-the-trigger.html

  159. James Canning says:

    RS Hack,

    I think Obama has made it very clear he will not allow Iran to build nukes.

    I think the issue is whether Netanyahu can force Obama to attack Iran even if Iran is not building nukes.

  160. James Canning says:

    RS Hack,

    Do we know what Lester Crown’s views were, in early 2009, regarding the growth of illegal colonies of Jews in the West Bank? Obama initially tried to stop the growth of those colonies.

  161. Sineva says:

    James Canning says:
    July 23, 2013 at 2:24 pm
    Its not up to obama or anyone else to “allow” iran to do anything.if iran wants to have the bomb there is sweet f@ck all that he or anyone else can do to stop it.Attacking iran will all but ensure a nuclear armed iran and heavy retaliation against us/israeli facilities

  162. Smith says:

    This is for those who still think that this is not a religious war. Almost all US leaders today are “elected” to office based on their religious zeal for destruction: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/07/lindsey-graham-wants-war-iran-end-summer/67527/

  163. nico says:

    Smith says:
    July 24, 2013 at 1:56 am

    A religious war with whom ?
    Iran ? The Muslims ? Palestinians ?

    I feel that the case of the US confrontation with Iran is much similar with the Japan gunboat diplomacy in early 20th century, or the the fight for dominance between Germany and UK/US.
    It is about imperialism.
    Like Germany and Japan in their time, Iran either threaten the Anglo-Saxon dominance over the region or the world.
    Iran seems to be a new Germany/Japan.

    See Iran human ressources, level of education and population.
    See Iran huge natural riches
    See Iran strategic position in the region
    See Iran cultural influence and geographic location. Iran being the gate to Central Asia and between east and west.
    See Iran infrastructure, indigenous economic development and military industry.
    Now compare those features with the countries surrounding Iran.

    No need to be a genius to understand that Iran fate is to be the dominant power here.
    As put by Wolfowitz, Iran dominance over the ME would provide it oil leverage to be a world major power.

    Well clearly that is not acceptable for the Anglo-Saxon mafia.
    As they tamed Germany and Japan, they aim at taming Iran to insurance their regional and dominance.
    Just like in the 1992 Wolfowitz doctrine.
    Just like it is described in the PNAC.
    Just like the 2 workd wars agzinst Germany and Japan.
    Just like all the imperial power struggle for centuries.

    As goes the saying. Political organizations do not take example from Mafia ones. It is the other way around.

    Now what is religious about that ?

    The Anglo-Saxon thugs will NEVER EVER accept an independent Iran willfully.

    There is no many options for Iran.
    The first option is for Iran to accept a tamed country. It implies abandonning the nuclear technology, military industrial capabilities and accept the USD and the bankster structure of dominance with the currency and debt cycle.
    The second option is for Iran to elect independence. As for all the reasons stated above. Nukes are mandatory for Iran in the thugish world order abaited by the worst mafia. The Anglo-Saxon mafia.
    The third option is the middle way between the first 2 with Iran being independent without nukes.

    Wait and see how it will unravel.

  164. A-B says:

    Smith says:
    July 19, 2013 at 6:16 am

    After much hesitation; here is my take:

    ‘Might’ (like ‘race’) is just an attribute (or property) and as such, neutral; it is not Substance. A petty fascist (be it a neo-Nazi Europeanist; an Arab or Iran ‘nationalist’; a Takfiri or Mojahed-e Kharr cultist) hungry to ‘belong’, hooks his identity with color of his skin, tribe or creed and justify it by deceptive phenomenology (the British are expert on concocting). But as I alluded to, the Fascist or the Arrogant is beyond attributes such as race; It is an existential thing. Of course, my question “by whose authority?” to the Arrogant was rhetorical because I know the answer would be: “By authority of Me of course, and I shove it down your throat by my might; or by virtue of my blond eye and blue face; or by Talmudic-Kabalistic-Zionist-Freemason ‘religiosity’, or my patronizing charm; whatever I deem necessary.” You, my friend, are too obsessed with attributes. It is “I AM RIGHT, and I make right by my might”. So, you go for the ‘I’, not for the ‘might’ that you don’t have or shouldn’t have (after all, WMD are forbidden, because they are attribute of the Arrogant!!). In light of this, it’s clear that ‘secular democracy’ is nothing but a fake religion with its sacraments and iconography, and its attack on Religion is to usurp supremacy. How very arrogant Western!

    The Atom Bomb is an iconographic ‘Mushroom Cloud’ that, like ‘Holocaust’, is made The Epitome and is exploited as a decoy under whose shadow the Anglo-Americans can cause genocide, destruction and contamination in order of magnitude, without even being mentioned in THEIR media. After all, the Fascist decides what you should remember or not.

    So, under such disparate conditions – where tit-for-tat (of attributes) is futile, if at all possible – in your attempt to protect yourself from that ‘I’, you …improvise. There are other ‘A-B’s …

  165. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Engdahl on Egypt (at Voltairenet), money quotes:

    The Saudi monarchy began to fear that the secretive Brotherhood would one day rise against their rule as well. They never forgave George W. Bush and Washington for toppling the Baath Party secular dictatorship of Saddam Hussein in Iraq that brought a majority Shi’ite to power there, nor the US decision to topple close Saudi ally Mubarak in Egypt. America’s dutiful “vassal state” in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, revolted on July 3 by backing and supporting the military coup in Egypt.

    Aside from loudly protesting the Egyptian generals’ coup against their Brotherhood allies, Washington so far has been able to do little, an indication of the declining US global power. The Pentagon has sent two amphibious assault ships carrying 2,600 Marines to the southern Egyptian Red Sea coast. The huge USS Kearsarge with 1,800 Marines and the USS San Antonio with 800 Marines, “moved up into the Red Sea and parked off Egypt, because we don’t know what’s going to happen,” stated General James Amos, commandant of the Marine Corps.

    Washington is suddenly in a major foreign policy disarray as the new Egyptian interim government is sworn in.

    *

    In other words, in his machinations to churn the wheel of chaos in the Islamic heartland, Uncle $cam’s cozying up to the “moderate” Brotherhood, let alone the takfiri al-Qaedaites in Syria, has turned out to be too much for the crypto-Jew (though not-so-crypto-Zionist) Aal as-Sa’ud family. After all, there is a limit to how much you can push a double agent, even if he be as prehensile as the Jewish House of Sa’ud. Question is, is all this lost to the powers that be in Tehran? Or are they still laboring under the Pan-Islamic wet dream? Methinks the latter, alas.

  166. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    What would prevent Iran from building up its military-industrial strength, in wake of a deal with P5+1? Numerous European (and American) companies would welcome the opportunity to do business with Iran in this regard.

  167. James Canning says:

    A-B,

    What is the “gencide” you claim “the Anglo-americans” are pursuing?

    Be specific.

  168. James Canning says:

    Smith,

    There are many idiot warmongers in the US Congress. Lindsey Graham is one of the most prominent fools (or stooges, if one prefers).

  169. James Canning says:

    Sinevas,

    Are you saying your personal belief is that Iran is stockpiling 20% U as part of an effort to get closer to ability to build nukes quickly?

  170. James Canning says:

    Sineva,

    When Obama apparently assured Netanyahu that the US would not allow Iran to build nukes, I take this to mean that if Iran continues to fail to make a deal with P5+1, there will be more sanctions, and if that fails to result in a deal with P5+1, that a blockade of Iranian oil exports would be the next measure.

  171. James Canning says:

    Vote in committee to confirm Samantha Power was 16-2.

    In 2002, she suggested the US would have to impose a resolution of Israel/Palestine problem on Israel. Even at the cost of “alienating a domestic constituency of tremendous political and financial import”.

    Let’s hope John Kerry sees the merits of Power’s 2002 statement.

  172. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 24, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    You are wrong; Iranian defenses cannot be predicated on the weapon purchases from Axis Powers.

    The only strategic security in the foreseeable future is long-range nuclear munitions – unless and until the Peace of Yalta is re-negogiated.

  173. fyi says:

    Unknown Unknowns says:

    July 24, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Yes, it was painfully clear to me in 1979 that very many revolutionaries lived in a fantasyland of Islamic Unity; completely ignoring the historical experience of the Iranian people over the last 5 centuries.

    On the other hand, proclaiming Islamic Unity (Amity & Comity) is a useful political position that is expected of a political order that predicates itself on Islam.

    It is also useful in painting a positive view of the future; something that assorted Sunni extremists cannot do except through the death of all who disagree with them.

  174. nico says:

    fyi says:
    July 24, 2013 at 1:51 pm
    “– unless and until the Peace of Yalta is re-negogiated.”

    Nobody know if such peace shall negotiated and if the case when.
    However the west and specifically the US are in dire economic conditions.
    I cannot see how the US debt management could continue as it is today for decades.

    At some point the US will need to declare bankruptcy.
    We are in the calm period before the tempest.
    The world economic unbalances are not sustainable.

    The US has 2 options.
    The first one being to prepare a stable and convenient foreign policy environment before it happens.
    The second option is to let it happen without proper preparation.

    I am translating an article about that and hope to post it soon.
    World war is not to be excluded. And the Iranian case and the Imperial struggle in the ME could start it all.
    In my opinion it would be more for economic reasons than some religious confrontation.

    It is dangerous time.
    And Iran is threading a narrow line. Prudence is of first importance.
    Dresden was burnt to the ground and Japan nuked… With US military bases 70 years after the events.

  175. Avg American says:

    Nico,

    Thanks for your response previously. I grew up hearing about a girl who ran through streets with her mother surrounded by dead. Buildings completely demolished and fires burning. Searching for someone with her mother while bomb sirens blared. All the while as a child not believing that girl running through Dresden was my mother. She was the most wonderful person I have ever known. A war is a terrible thing – the US populations loss with a grip of reality is evident in every tiny aspect of society in the US down to the casual conversation. It is an isolating place. Everyone treats each other like a business relationship. I have said it before, if Washington displayed a little more humility and humbleness alas some of the major world’s woes might be alleviated to some degree. I’m just wondering why that is so difficult for Washigton ?! Again, immigration may be in my future – agreed, these are dangerous times created out of sheer greed and stupidity.

  176. nico says:

    Avg American,

    Concerning your remarks about US middle-class.
    How Does America’s Middle Class Rank Globally? #27
    _http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-23/how-does-america%E2%80%99s-middle-class-rank-globally-27

    And how it looks like when the institutions are financially broke.
    Detroit By The Numbers
    _http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-24/detroit-numbers
    That is what is to be expected for the west when the REAL crisis hit in a time not so far in the future.

    Mmmh, and here the USG approval rating…
    Obama Approval Tests Record Low; Majority Of Americans Would Vote Out Entire Congress
    _http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-24/obama-approval-tests-record-low-majority-americans-would-vote-out-entire-congress

    Dangerous time indeed.
    In this context, would religion be the number 1 reason for a serious war in the ME ?
    Not so sure.

  177. James Canning says:

    Avg American,

    You asked rhetorically why “humility” is so difficult for “Washington”. Does a day go by that Obama is not hammered by some fool Republican for always “apologising for America”?

    I think you mean emigration.

  178. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    The US would have to spend billions of dollars to alter oil refineries to take heavier crude, but the US could easily get by with no imports of oil from the Persian Gulf. US oil companies obviously would prefer not to incur such costs.

  179. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    US, or French, or British (or other) oil companies.

  180. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    I did not mean to suggest European (and US) companies would be in a hurry to provide weapons to Iran, if a deal is reached with P5+1. I was focusing on the certainty that Iran’s industrial infrastructure would be certain to benefit from access to the latest technolgies etc etc. Now that I think about it, some defence contractors would be sure to wish to supply Iran, if Iran wanted such weapons.

  181. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    I think the notion “the US” fears a strong Iran is lacking in merit. Yes, the Israel lobby all its adherents do fear a strong Iran as somehow making it riskier for Israel to continue to grow the illegal colonies in the West Bank, etc.

    David Gardner has interesting piece today (Financial Times online) about serious problems arising in Lebanon due to Hezbollah’s intervention in Syria.

  182. Avg American says:

    James,

    HUMBLY, I thank you for your correction regarding my emigration comment!

  183. Empty says:

    Avg American,

    RE: “the US populations loss with a grip of reality is evident in every tiny aspect of society in the US down to the casual conversation. It is an isolating place. Everyone treats each other like a business relationship.”

    None of these is accidental. Decades of careful planning and investment have gone into making the US public what it is today. For decades, infants are given artificially-made infant formula to replace mothers’ milk and face to face interactions. Children’s most prominent babysitter has been TVs and monitors replacing a multi-dimensional interactive world that engages their five senses with two-dimension screens that demands (at most) involvement of two senses and no common sense. Let’s not even get into the content and quality of the programs.
    In schools, instead of learning to formulate the right answer through mental modeling and cognitive struggle, students get trained in multiple “choice” questions (how ironic) with the “right” answer almost always provided.

    Nowadays, grown-ups and children alike, do not even get the opportunity to get lost on roads and streets so that at least in an attempt to find their way, God forbid, they exercise their mind a bit. Right turns, left turns, and U turns, oh, heck the “right” path is provided to them by a robot. In a context where every aspect of life, play, and work is dictated, how do you expect the population as a whole have any tangible “grip of reality”?

  184. Macowm says:

    Unknown Unknowns says:
    July 24, 2013 at 10:08 am

    So the suggestion here is that the US had absolutely nothing to do with the Military coup in Egypt, with the US-funded military acting against the US with the backing of US-ally Saudi Arabia? I can see how that is possible, even allies play ball and get a little rough, but previous this is the impression I had previously:

    The Muslim Brotherhood, backed and funded by Qatar, was promised power in Egypt by the United States after the overthrow of Mubarak. They were promised power not because the US particularly likes the Brotherhood, but because they represented one of the only organized forces in Egypt, but most importantly because they NEEDED the Brotherhood to ignite the rebellion in Syria. The Brotherhood complied, thinking that they could create a Brotherhood bloc (Turkey, Syria, Egypt, Qatar, Hamas)and got all starry-eyed by these promises made by the US. Of course Saudi Arabia disliked this very much, but their masters in Washington/Israel do as they see fit and everyone falls in line.

    The US used the chaos started by the FSA/Brotherhood in Syria to import terrorists and destabilize the country. I question whether they ever actually thought that they would be able to overthrow Assad. I think it was all a show and they were fully aware of Russia’s commitment to defend its interests. Their main goal was to force Hezbollah into a PR nightmare and destabilize Syria and the resistance. Of course, the Brotherhood begins to realize that the US help that was promised to them isnt coming in the full force they expected it to. And the next minute, they are being betrayed. At around the same time, the UAE and Saudi Arabia are arresting Brotherhood members, and the US gives the go ahead to pull the plug on Morsi in Egypt.

    Qatar is very upset about this, and you can see that in the reporting Al Jazeera is doing. But as the veteran-slaves in Saudi Arabia can attest, they just need to get used to it. This also explains the infighting between the FSA and Nusra Front in Syria. The FSA/Brotherhood now fully realizes that they have been betrayed, and there really is not much else for them to do. More terrorists pour into Syria with US blessing, and the US continues to pretend to support moderates.

  185. Sineva says:

    James Canning says:
    July 24, 2013 at 1:08 pm
    And how would a blockade prevent a bomb?,at the very least it would earn the us enormous international condemnation,it would provide iran with yet another excuse to withdraw from the npt or implement a counter blockade,you would see a huge spike in oil prices and there would be a huge danger of it degenerating into a shooting war,however none of these things would prevent iran from having the bomb if that was what it wanted,indeed I think it would only increase the chances of an iranian bomb,for now iran is content with a japan option whos credibility only continues to increase the more time passes and a us/israel whos military options continue to diminish.You continue to think iran has no choice,but irans leaders and its people do not share your views
    James Canning says:
    July 24, 2013 at 1:04 pm
    For the moment iran does not seem interested in having huge stocks of 20% and is making sure to keep them at a constant level by converting some into fuel assemblies,of course while everyone is fixated on the 20% its the 5% they should be keeping an eye on as thats the one thats constantly growing in size and with the increasing numbers of new highly efficient centrifuges thats the stockpile that could be very quickly converted,and then of course you have arak and after a few years of operation the promise of all that plutonium just sitting there in that cooling pond,so you can clearly see james that irans japan option only becomes more credible as time passes.Obama can make all the promises he likes but frankly this is one time where his options are very limited and personally I wouldnt trust anything a us president says

  186. Karl.. says:

    http://presstv.com/detail/2013/07/25/315480/israel-repeats-baseless-claims-about-iran/

    Could this man really be seen as a PM? Only thing he speaks about is war.
    His paranoid brain must be occupied 24/7, maybe there is a coma coming for him just like it was for Sharon that probably got his coma because of his war/warmongering against Lebanon.

  187. James Canning says:

    Sineva,

    You make some good points. Your assumption is that Iran can get close to ability to build nukes quickly, provided this near-ability is not too close? Obviosuly, Netanyahu and a fair portion of the Israel lobby are trying to force Obama to attack Iran even if Iran is not building nukes.

  188. James Canning says:

    Avg American,

    Thanks.

  189. nico says:

    Who Authorized Preparations for War with China?” The Two Faux Democracies Threaten Life On Earth

    By Dr. Paul Craig Roberts

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-authorized-preparations-for-war-with-china-the-two-faux-democracies-threaten-life-on-earth/5343844

    “Because the American press is a corrupt government propaganda ministry, the American people have no idea that neoconized Washington is planning nuclear war. Americans are no more aware of this than they are of former President Jimmy Carter’s recent statement, reported only in Germany, that the United States no longer has a functioning democracy.
    The possibility that the United States would initiate nuclear war was given reality eleven years ago when President George W. Bush, at the urging of Dick Cheney and the neocons that dominated his regime, signed off on the 2002 Nuclear Posture Review.”

    “Polls from all over the world consistently show that Israel and the US are regarded as the two greatest threats to peace and to life on earth. Yet, these two utterly lawless governments prance around pretending to be the “world’s greatest democracies.”  Neither government accepts any accountability whatsoever to international law, to human rights, to the Geneva Conventions, or to their own statutory law. The US and Israel are rogue governments, throwbacks to the Hitler and Stalin era.
    The post World War II wars originate in Washington and Israel.  No other country has imperial expansionary ambitions. The Chinese government has not seized Taiwan, which China could do at will. The Russian government has not seized former constituent parts of Russia, such as Georgia, which, provoked by Washington to launch an attack, was instantly overwhelmed by the Russian Army.  Putin could have hung Washington’s Georgian puppet and reincorporated Georgia into Russia, where it resided for several centuries and where many believe it belongs.For the past 68 years, most military aggression can be sourced to the US and Israel. Yet, these two originators of wars pretend to be the victims of aggression. It is Israel that has a nuclear arsenal that is illegal, unacknowledged, and unaccountable. It is Washington that has drafted a war plan based on nuclear first strike.  The rest of the world is correct to view these two rogue unaccountable governments as direct threats to life on earth.”

  190. nico says:

    Economic crisis (the worst being to come) – check

    Massive surveillance state – check
    Unaccountable government – check
    Abrogation of habeas corpus – check
    No independent mass media – check

    Ideology of superiority, supremacism and exceptionalty – check

    Homeland militarization – check
    Comptent and disrespect for international laws – check
    Oversized military – check
    Foreign posture based on threat, diktats and gunboat diplomacy – check
    Unlawful war of agression – check
    Embargo with the goal to exterminate and cleanse wole population – check

    Sadly that is now official … We are dealing with a fascist state.

    No

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-militarization-of-america/5343851

    “This week’s deployment of Blackhawk helicopters in Chicago is only the latest in a series of “urban warfare training” exercises that have become a familiar feature of American life.
    As elsewhere, this exercise was sprung unannounced on a startled civilian population. Conducted in secrecy, apparently with the collusion of local police agencies and elected officials, Democrats and Republicans alike, the ostensible purpose of these exercises is to give US troops experience in what Pentagon doctrine refers to as “Military Operations on Urban Terrain.””

    “Just last May, the Pentagon announced the implementation of new rules of engagement for US military forces operating on American soil to provide “support” to “civilian law enforcement authorities, including responses to civil disturbances.”The document declares sweeping and unprecedented military powers under a section entitled “Emergency Authority.”
    It asserts the authority of a “federal military commander” in “extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the president is impossible and duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation, to engage temporarily in activities that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbances.” In other words, the Pentagon brass claims the unilateral authority to impose martial law.”

    “In a recent article, a senior instructor at the Fort Leavenworth Command and General Staff College and former director of the Army’s School of Advanced Military Studies laid out a telling scenario for a situation in which the military could intervene.
    “The Great Recession of the early twenty-first century lasts far longer than anyone anticipated. After a change in control of the White House and Congress in 2012, the governing party cuts off all funding that had been dedicated to boosting the economy or toward relief. The United States economy has flatlined, much like Japan’s in the 1990s, for the better part of a decade. By 2016, the economy shows signs of reawakening, but the middle and lower-middle classes have yet to experience much in the way of job growth or pay raises. Unemployment continues to hover perilously close to double digits …”
    “n other words, the Pentagon sees these conditions—which differ little from what exists in the US today—producing social upheavals that can be quelled only by means of military force.”

  191. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    Saakashvili’s reckless attack on Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia in 2008 was caused indirectly by gross stupidity on the part of neocons in the US.

    Gideon Rachamn of the Financial Times had lunch with Saakashvili a few months before the foolish attack on S.O. Rachman came away with the feeling Saakashvili would likely get himnself in trouble before too long.

  192. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    You think Russia should try to incorporate Georgia into the Russian Federation, by military force?

    Interesting.

  193. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    I presume you are aware Iran gave some quiet backing to Saakashvili?

  194. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    July 25, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    What the hell are you speaking about ?
    You are becoming nonsensical.
    Did I hit some soft place and made you histeric ?

  195. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    I was suggesting Iran might not have welcomed any “hanging” of Saakashvili by Russia, and forced annexation of Georgia into RF.

    I think you are “hysterical ” if you actually believe there is a danger of a first-strike US nuclear attack on Iran. Absurd.

  196. Empty says:

    Unknown Unknowns,

    Re: “Question is, is all this lost to the powers that be in Tehran? Or are they still laboring under the Pan-Islamic wet dream? Methinks the latter, alas.”

    Gave up so soon?! The fun is just beginning! Did you know it took 15 years from 15 Khordad of 1342 uprising till 22 Bahman of 1357 Islamic Revolution? At that time, when they had killed and imprisoned majority of the people and the leaders in the uprising and were sending Imam Khomeini to exile, they gloated and told him how he was defeated, he smiled and said, “my soldiers are still in their mothers’ womb.” That was just the beginning.

    Did you know it took 18 years from initial formation of Hizbollah (1982) to the first Zionist withdrawal from Lebanon (2000) and took 26 years (in 2006) to shatter the Israeli army’s “might” image? On 6 Aban 1360 in Jamaran, Imam Khomeini told a Lebanese delegation (including a young unknown fellow and the son of a fruit vendor by the name of Seid Hassan Nastrullah that “«از آنجا كه منطقه در شرف يك نهضت اسلامي عمومي است، امريكا دست به طرح قضايايي زده است تا بتواند دست مردم بي‌پناه منطقه را از سرنوشتشان كوتاه كند و متأسفانه بعضي از دولتها هم او را كمك مي‌كنند، طرح سادات و فهد يكي است. بر فرض كه امريكا يك طرح صد در صد اسلامي ـ انساني بدهد، ما باور نمي‌كنيم كه آنها به نفع صلح و منافع ما گامي بردارند. اگر امريكا و اسرائيل «لااله الاالله» بگويند ما قبول نداريم، چرا كه آنها مي‌خواهند سر ما كلاه بگذارند. آنها كه صحبت از صلح مي‌كنند، مي‌خواهند منطقه را به جنگ بكشند…
    مسئله‌اي كه مي‌خواهم اكيداً به شما تذكر دهم اين است كه اين معنا كه «نمي‌شود با قدرتهاي بزرگ طرف شد» را از گوشهايتان بيرون كنيد. شما بخواهيد، مي‌توانيد…»

    Translation/interpretation: “given that the region is about to begin a general Islamic movement, America has begun planning some events in order to cut the hands of the defenseless people of the region in making decisions about their own destiny and unfortunately, some governments are helping this too. Sadat and Fahad plans are one and the same. Let’s assume the US offers a hundred percent Islamic-humanitarian plan, we do not believe they will take a single step that would be to our benefit or the benefit of peace. If America and Israel say “there is no god but Allah”, we don’t accept since they only want to deceive us. They speak of peace, and they want to drive the region to war. The point I want to make absolutely clear to you is that you must drive out o your ears the concept ‘you cannot oppose big powers’. If you will, you can succeed.”

    Remember, to awaken does not imply the end of the day. It promises the beginning of a long and difficult journey.

  197. Smith says:

    Empty says:
    July 25, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    I fully agree with you. The whole nations of people are inclining towards Iran and looking at it as role model (I am saying this from personal experience on the ground). The states and their minions ruling these nations on the other hand are trying to discredit Iran and spread lies. But for the first time in several centuries, Iran has the upper hand, with its soft power increasing exponentially while the soft power of countries like UK and Saudi is circling the toilet bowl. After all which sane person would bet his/her akherat on evangelicals and wahabis. But despite this, I still worry on the account of Iran’s hard power which in my opinion is slowing Iran down and putting Iran at risk.

  198. A-B says:

    nico says:
    July 25, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Interesting post! In line with what I wrote (on ‘authority’, A-bomb as ‘god’) and what I thought when I heard Putin’s interview on RT, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33oIF-ggK5U. He talks of the cultural differences between the Russians and the Americans. He means the Russians being more “spiritual”, have more “lofty ambitions”, while Americans are more “individualistic”. He then argues that not even Stalin, being known as “a dictator and a tyrant”, would have used the A-Bomb at the end of the war against Germany, contrary to what the Americans did on Japan.

    Now, considering the collapse of the Soviet Union; and the cases of Afghanistan, Chechnya, Georgia; color revolutions; economical assaults (incl. artificial ‘freezing’ of Russian assets in Cyprus??); NATO’s advancements in Russian sphere of interest, ‘Pussy Riots’ …. I mean the immense Russian arsenal doesn’t really seem to deter the Arrogant West from harassing the ‘Russian Bear’ or from impeding her progress. (Of course, the Imperialists have subjected Iran to the same treatment but to a MUCH MUCH severer degree.) Where would that ‘Red Line’ be when Russia would say “Now that’s it; bye-bye London”? Surely, they wouldn’t attack preemptively; or if an attack would be evaded or intercepted, would they annihilate US and Europe in retaliation? Would Syria have used an A-bomb, if she had one, on Europe who actively is destroying her, when it is called a ‘civil war’? The West wasn’t deterred by the Pakistani A-bomb before she was plunged in chaos?

    If we want to bust myths and misconceptions about Iran; why not telling the truth about the West and its true savage nature? The Westerners who lament West’s involvement in the MENA say that, in order to save ‘tax money’ they should get out of the region and let ‘them’ take care of ‘their OWN [sectarian] problems’(!!!), warning about ‘blow backs’; a ‘blow back’ against whom? It is always the people of MENA who are at the receiving end. The victims of the Western savagery in MENA, who supposedly are ‘vengeful’ by nature, are probably mostly too traumatized and helpless to attack Western soldiers in full armor and in their advanced fortifications, and those who aren’t, are ripe to be recruited by gangs with money, weapons and ‘ideology’ (read: Saudi Takfiris – the ally or lackey of the West) … to kill Shi’as!! Heck, Americans call the Islamic Revolution a ‘blow back’ for the 1953 coup; again, who is at the receiving end!??

  199. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Empty/UU/Smith,

    Almost everything that Imam (r) told us 30 years ago- and which some considered “idealistic” or “phantasy”- has come true.

    In his last will he talks about how we should not imagine any of these things happening overnight.

    He also says that if one day the Americans change there attitude and policies we can imagine having normal relations with them, but that we will never have normal relations with Ale Saud. Imam (r) never considered the Wahabis and Ale Saud as Muslims and had no illusions about them.

    All the events of the last decades have been very good for the Islam of Ahlul Bayt and for Iran which is its standard bearer.

    The recent events in Syria and our steadfast support of the anti-takfiris is already a massive strategic and historic victory for us- I would argue on par with the strategic victory we had in Iraq.

    And don’t forget some fools here in Iran like Zibakalaam- usually out the left and reform camps- predicting back then that our support for Assad will be our own downfall. Well maybe they were just uttering there own wet-dreams.

    Ale Saud are America’s and Israel’s first and last line of defense in the Muslim world. The focus of all Muslims should be to fight the US-Israel-Saud/Takfiri axis- focusing on getting rid of the Ale Saud in the Arabian peninsula- inshallah.

  200. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    From RT

    Putin to offer advanced antimissiles to soothe Iran’s S-300 grudge

    http://rt.com/news/russia-iran-antimissiles-deal-520/

  201. BiBiJon says:

    James Canning says:
    July 25, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    I think you are “hysterical ” if you actually believe there is a danger of a first-strike US nuclear attack on Iran. Absurd.

    =========

    Hysterical? Absurd? Are we self-projecting again, James?

    From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8604217.stm

    President Barack Obama’s administration has unveiled a defence policy to significantly narrow the circumstances in which the US would use nuclear arms.

    But its Nuclear Posture Review warned that countries breaking the rules would remain potential targets.

    For the first time, the US is ruling out a nuclear response to attacks on America involving biological, chemical or conventional weapons.

    But this comes with a big caveat: countries will only be spared a US nuclear response if they comply with the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty – this does not include Iran and North Korea.

  202. Rd. says:

    “Davutoğlu: Radical Islamic groups betray Syrian revolution”

    one would hope, there may be some changes in Turkish thinking..

    http://www.todayszaman.com/news-321860-davutoglu-radical-islamic-groups-betray-syrian-revolution.html

  203. A-B says:

    Many months ago, I heard Ali Rizk’s voice on PressTV translating live the speech of some Arab dignitary (at an Arab League summit, I guess) saying “Arab” this and “Arabism” that, bullet-pointing all the ‘great achievements’ and ‘victories’ it brought to Sudan, Somalia, Syria, Libya, Tunisia and Egypt!! Of course, I just HAD to find out who this ‘revolutionary’ man was, and when I did, I exclaimed: Merci, brother Morsi!!! I don’t recall him mentioning Islam much, if at all; and if he did it was helplessly drowned under the ‘Arab’ deluge. I’m all for a ‘patriotism’ that preserves or restores your dignity, but he was glorifying ‘Arabism’ that had created one disgraceful failure after another; not to mention that its champions were literally trapped like a rat and eliminated by the Western imperialists; cf. Gaddafi, and Saddam. And look now what the ’Arab’ (read: Saudi anti-spiritual / anti-humans) did to the re-ve-ljuuuu-tion of this greatest of Arab beebols, who still think they are so much better than Iranians! And read this garbage: http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2013/01/14/ahwaz-iranian-racial-oppression-opposed-in-egypt/

  204. nico says:

    James Canning says:
    July 25, 2013 at 6:18 pm
    “I think you are “hysterical ” if you actually believe there is a danger of a first-strike US nuclear attack on Iran. Absurd.”

    And I think you are delusional.
    When the rogue country implement such embargo as in Iraq killing hundred of thousands of the weakest citizen of that country and when the then secretary of state say that “it wad worth it”.
    When such criminal country already nuked another.
    When then again, through the voice of its president, this thugish country declare in its nuclear policy that a first strike against Iran is possible.

    Well first it is clear who is the danger and the criminal.
    Second it tells much about your level naivety and delusion.

    Incidentally, the US sponsored missile shield in Europe is first and foremost a stratehic tool to enable nuclear first strike against Russia.
    In you delusion you could argue that it is useless spending pushed by the military industrial complex.
    In your naivety you could argue that it is aimed at furthering distrust between Europe and Russia in the typical Anglo-Saxon devideand rule strategy.
    Well thay is not entirely untrue.
    However, at the very top of decision making and military doctrine thinkers in the US, it is crystal clear that such shield is aimed at enabling US first strike capability against Russia.
    That is called bullying.
    That is called forward escape.
    That is called imoral and criminal mindset.

    The Anglo-Saxon world champion leaders of criminal, thugish and roguish minset.
    Followed far, far, far behind by the Z-eye-oooonist.

  205. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    The “missile shield” in Europe was primarily a programme intended to foster gigantic spending on unnecessary weapons. It had nothing to do with setting up a “first-strike” attack on Russia.

  206. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    There is ZERO chance the US would attack Iran with nukes, on a first-stike basis. Khamenei is aware of this fact, it would appear.

  207. James Canning says:

    BiBiJon,

    ZERO chance of first-strike US nuclear attack on Iran, or North Korea. ZERO.

  208. James Canning says:

    A-B,

    Is “Europe” “actively destroying Syria”? How?

    “Britain has now abandoned the idea of arming the rebels” in Syria.
    – – Philip Stephens, in today’s Financial Times