What’s Really at Stake in the Impasse Over Centrifuges—Hillary Mann Leverett on the Iran Nuclear Talks


Earlier this week, Hillary appeared on CCTV’s The Heat to discuss the Iran nuclear talks; click on video above or see here.  In her segment, she focused on what really drives the divide between Tehran and the Western members of the P5+1 (the United States, Britain, and France) over Iranian enrichment—namely, the clash between the Islamic Republic’s commitment to strategic independence and Western powers’ determination that Tehran must accept their directives regarding implementation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and the dynamics of Middle Eastern power politics.  As Hillary notes,

“There has been progress on some significant issues—but this fundamental issue about enrichment is critically important.  It gets to not just the number of centrifuges…The issue is really a question of independence.

Iran is fiercely devoted to its independence.  That’s what the Islamic Revolution was all about—for Iran to be independent of foreign powers—and it wants this civilian nuclear program as part of its program for independence.  So it needs to not dismantle any of its current infrastructure—which includes about 10,000 operating centrifuges—and to increase it, to a have full-fledged civilian nuclear power program.

The United States wants just the opposite.  The United States has finally come around, after more than ten years of pounding its fist on the table, to admitting that maybe Iran could have a symbolic program—but that Iran needs to remain dependent on other countries…Not only does this go against the very principles of the revolution in Iran, for independence, but, in fact, Iran tried that.  They bought fuel from Argentina, until the United States got angry and forced Argentina to cut it off.  And they were part of a project called Eurodif, where Iran bought ten percent of that project, and then they were cut off.

So that’s the fundamental divide—whether to keep Iran dependent on the international community, or to allow them to be independent.  That is going to be a very difficult bridge to cross…It’s not a matter of time; it’s a matter of mentality.”

Of course, official Washington’s hegemonic mentality—and its accompanying pretensions—are increasingly at odds with the actual distribution of power in an evolving international order.  In part, this reflects the declining utility of America’s military might; to paraphrase a line from that timeless study in the exercise of power (and classic Hollywood blockbuster film), The Godfather, “the United States doesn’t even have that kind of muscle anymore—and can’t really use that much of what it still has.”  As Hillary elaborates, that’s an important reason the United States is negotiating, however reluctantly, with Iran:

“It’s interesting that President Obama has refrained…since January of this year, from saying that all options are on the table, for two reasons.  One, I think, in terms of allowing the negotiations to go forward, is to take the military option off the table as an offensive rhetorical device against the Iranians.

But part of this is real.  This is something that, from all my trips to Iran, I understood.  The Supreme Leader there, security and political analysts there, realized a few years ago that after America’s failed interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria, we don’t have the military option on the table, and that gives room for negotiations.

So, even though I’m not optimistic there’s going to be a deal, a comprehensive deal either today or in four months (the new deadline), I do think that there’s enough incentive on both sides to continue negotiations for a very long time.  And you may see in September, when the United Nations convenes in New York, you may see not only continued intensive negotiations of high-level officials, but potentially even a President Obama-President Rohani meeting—not to actually seal the deal, but to inject enough momentum to keep things going past the November congressional elections and continue to kick this can down the road.”

Hillary is similarly skeptical about the prospects for a unilateral Israeli attack against Iran:

“Even though a tragically high number of Palestinians have been killed in this current conflict [in Gaza], there is a bit of exposure of the emperor wearing no clothes, that the Israelis are not able to defeat HAMAS in Gaza.  And the Iranians certainly see the Israelis having no clothes, that they don’t have the technical capability to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities.  With that, there is, again, more time for negotiations.”

Beyond the purely military dimension of America’s relative decline, the rising influence of non-Western powers—China, Russia, and, in the Middle East itself, Iran—has also helped push the United States into multilateral nuclear talks with the Islamic Republic.  As Hillary explains, that’s an important reason the P5+1 is negotiating with Iran:

“The world has changed in the past ten years.  Ten years ago, when the United States would say that the U.S., Israel, France, and Britain were ‘the international community,’ nobody really made that much noise.  Today, they do.  So today, the United States has to take the views of, particularly, Russia and China very squarely into account.  They have to be at the table, and they have to buy into what the political and security order is going to look like in the Middle East—not just how many centrifuges Iran is going to have.  That’s why we have the negotiations.”

Yet, even though it has been pushed into multilateral nuclear negotiations with Iran, the United States continues to take hegemonically assertive positions in the talks.  Take Washington’s positions on the duration of a prospective final agreement, the number of centrifuges Iran should be “allowed” to operate under a final agreement, and limiting Iran’s alleged “breakout” capability.  As Hillary describes,

“The United States wants at least a ten-year, and they’re gunning really for a twenty-year deal.  That has nothing to do with proliferation.  That has to do with their wanting to outwait the Supreme Leader, the Supreme Leader’s life…so that the Islamic Republic has, in their view, a prospect of collapsing into a more pro-American political order.

The Iranians are not buying into that…they’re focused more on what their practical needs are, based on when they have contracts or prospective contracts for nuclear plants, when they need the fuel, and how much fuel they need.

That gets into the number of centrifuges—and, again, this is where the Supreme Leader has spoken about numbers that are much greater than the Americans are willing to consider at this point.  But he’s focused on what are the practical needs—the practical needs as told to him by the head of Iran’s atomic energy agency, who (guess what) has his Ph.D. from MIT here in the United States, and who knows what he’s doing.

So [the Iranians] are really talking about a practical needs-based approach, based on a sovereign country pursuing a technical, practical program.  The United States is focused on power and influence, and on maintaining a pro-American political and security order in the Middle East

The so-called ‘breakout issue’ is also a lot of smoke and mirrors.  Again, it’s aimed at limiting Iran’s domestic, indigenous, sovereign capacity to pursue this program.

If the United States and its so-called partners were really interested in proliferation, they would accept the Iranian deal, which is to convert all—not some, but all—their enriched uranium into oxide, into powder to make into fuelAll of itYou’d solve the proliferation issue overnight, but the United States isn’t interested in thatWe’re interested in constraining capacity, to constrain Iran’s power—its rising power, particularly in the Middle East—at a very volatile time for the United States.”

Hillary goes on to discuss the strategic imperative for the United States to pursue “Nixon-to-China”-style rapprochement with the Islamic Republic—and, in the process, “to change America’s strategy from one of dominance and hegemony in the Middle East to one that is a balance of power, that recognizes and deals with all the critical powers as they are, not as we would like to transform the Middle East.”

–Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett


153 Responses to “What’s Really at Stake in the Impasse Over Centrifuges—Hillary Mann Leverett on the Iran Nuclear Talks”

  1. Jay says:

    James Canning, are you listening?

    “…that’s the fundamental divide—whether to keep Iran dependent on the international community, or to allow them to be independent.”

    It is not 20%-make-a-deal mumbo jumbo!! The West wants “dependence” – not a deal, not coexistence, not peace, … , just “dependence”.

  2. fyi says:

    Mr. Ataune:


    If one replaces – in the above article – “Russia” with “Iran”, “Ukraine/Kiyv” with the “Iran/Tehran”, “Ukraine Policy” with “Iran Nuclear File”, and “Putin” with “Khamenie” we could have the beginnings of a positive course of action.

    I personally do not expect this either vis a vis Russia nor vis a vis Iran.

  3. James Canning says:


    I doubt Obama believes that the Iranian government will collapse within the next ten years, or whatever.

    P5+1 will accept Iranian enrichment to fuel initial Bushehr power plant. And I think Iran would be able to fuel a second plant, and a third. Or more, or that matter.

  4. James Canning says:

    Iran will be more of a “rising power” in the Middle East, if it achieves a deal with P5+1. In my judgment, Iran in effect has forfeited large amounts of “soft power” due to the nuclear dispute.

  5. James Canning says:

    Some important insight from Eli Clifton and Ali Gharib at Lobelog:

  6. Karl.. says:

    How does this align with the independence stance Iran have always taken before?
    Not enough to be called a sellout perhaps but still..

  7. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 25, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    This would be acceptable if it is meant to conform to the parameters explicated by Mr. Khamenei and amplified later by Mr. Zarif in his NYT interview.

    But I doubt that very much….

  8. nico says:

    “IMD’s Arturo Bris predicts next GFC will hit in April 2015”


    That as always been about the Anglo American empire dominance over oil and gas and associated financial plundering.
    It has also always been the enlightment secular matrix and ploutocratic political system ideological fight against the “Barbarians” and other “religious fools”
    No need to say that the US is not willing to accept Iranan as a independent, religious led democracy in the heart of the oil rich region and at this Eurasiatic much important location.

    But the US are losing ground.
    After their loss in Irak, Syria, Afghanistan etc… You have now the BRIC’s Fortaleza agreement that is bringing down the US monopoly over world financial institutions.

    And the US still printing money and not reforming their financial system or their governance.
    No mistake they made has been fixed. The mistakes under Bill Clinton about financial deregulation, Mass Media concentration or under Bush Jr with the Patriot Act etc…
    And the Globalization full effects with the unsustainable trade unbalance and job offshoring. (Ahaha. Did Piketty explained that it is killing the middle class to the benefit to the 1% holding capital ? And that was offset by more debt ?)
    The Obama rule has fixed nothing, be it foreign or domestic policy.

    Disgusting and continued moral, intellectual, political and economical failures.
    Simply a bankrupt system ripe for collapse.

    The Iran case being only one among many subjects.

    And while the US GDP is shrinking more than 2% the stocks market is at the highest !
    Maybe the operators thinks that more debt will fuel consumption ?
    Are maybe that more job offshoring will increase margins ? With no consequences (debt and Piketty wise) ?
    Truly a dead end.
    But who knows. I forecasted a year or so ago that a new financial collapse shall occure in the next 3 years.
    Wait and see. Maybe the FED will find new tricks to prolong the agony ?

    At the end of the day the point is that Japan is finished (debt and demography) the European project is agonizing and the US are at the bring of collapse.
    The point is that the excesses of the past 30 years will not be erased without great suffering in the west and global influence pull back.
    All the rest is blattering.
    Surely such bankrupt and cowardly political class in the west is totally unable to tell that to their citizens or to bear the reponsibility.
    All they do is foreward escape and expecting the wheel not stopping to spin during their term.
    Bankrupt, cowards, irresponsibles, sold out to the oligarchy are the right terms for all those politicians.

    Unfortunately that will likely lead to more tyranny and wars.

  9. Ataune says:


    The obvious goal in the article is to convince that America’s interests are best served if she reverts back from escalation to normal partnership with Russia. The not so hidden intent is to persuade that holding the unity front is still necessary to keep the pressure maximum on Iran, and who knows, perhaps the ultimate hidden agenda is to push for open conflict.

    But, besides the objectionable agenda driven purpose, there are several facts that should incline us to doubt that the author’s suggestions can and will be taken seriously into account by the executive branch.

    Somewhere into the second term of Bush son the US foreign policy planners concluded that a return to multilateralism – i.e. taking into account the “friends’ ” wishes, at least publicly – was necessary. On the Iranian front, this move translated into

    (1) Gradual relegation of the “attack-dog posture” into the hands of second-tier powers like Germany, France, Italy, Saudi etc… so US can more efficiently take care of the bigger shots;
    (2) Step by step softening of the official position from zero enrichment to 8000 (and still counting) centrifuges today, even though the planners thought that sanction escalation should go unabated, to allow a stronger hand in negotiations.

    Today, Iran remains no doubt still an enemy, but the seriousness of the negotiations on both sides indicates that the shared goal (although with a concealed stronger desire on the American side) is to bring the crisis down from the verge of open hostility to a manageable diplomatic adversity.

    Furthermore, five/six years after the start of this new multilateralism, all the facts are pointing out to the sign that the US, witnessing China’s rapid economic ascendancy and Russia’s maturing strategic objective of economic partnership with Europe and the dilution of Nato, is provisioning a gradual change in her relationship with the two. The pretty much Nato driven and managed leap of Ukraine outside Russia’s orbit; and Japan’s precipitated rethinking of her military doctrines, are two strong indications, among others, of how advanced we already are in this new phase. The quasi-partnership is evolving maybe not into hostility but nascent adversity.

  10. James Canning says:

    “Hundreds of American military advisers are now staffing two operations centers in Iraq, and American military planes are flying 50 surveillance flights a day through Iraqi airspace.”
    – – Tim Arango and Suad al-Salhy, writing in New York Times July 25th

  11. James Canning says:


    You appear to argue that Iran should have enrichment capacity sufficient for four or five nuclear power plants, even if there is only one.

  12. nico says:

    Ataune says:
    July 25, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    “Today, Iran remains no doubt still an enemy, but the seriousness of the negotiations on both sides indicates that the shared goal (although with a concealed stronger desire on the American side) is to bring the crisis down from the verge of open hostility to a manageable diplomatic adversity.”

    The current negociation are a great victory for Iran whatever the outcome.
    It shows the US willingness to discuss Iran terms.
    That never obtained before.
    The US dictated and were expecting Iran to break.
    Thus the US prestige and global policy about Iran is already changed and dimished.

    But the outcome of the current negociation will be a important message to the world.

    If a win win approach is agreed (meaning Iran is keeping its full rights under the provision of international law whatever the agreed self restriction about the size of the program that would never less allow Iran to fuel the civilian program). Then it means that the US are accepting Iran as an independent player and respected as such.
    Not that it would change the US approach of containment (see the Russian containment or the Asia so called pivot).
    But it would give Iran it would officially boost Iran up the ladder in the world order and prestige.

    To the contrary, should Iran accept a deal limiting excessively Iran full right to a peacefull nuclear program it will signal Iran buckling. And that will be the end Iran’s independance and prestige as a world player.

    In the case no deal is agreed then it would become clear that at macro-policy level the US are still in their never-never land, alone against all and in there bankrupt foreward escape, with associated consequence in the ME and globally.
    In such case that would be also an quite important test and lesson for everyone.

    As a conclusion, whatever the deal if any it goes well beyond some kind of tactical accomodation. Whatever the intended or original purpose.
    It is first and foremost a strategic political struggle of the highest level for position and prestige (prestige and respect being quite major subjects in international relation) in the world order.

  13. Jay says:

    fyi says:
    July 25, 2014 at 4:05 pm
    James Canning says:
    July 25, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    James and the West propagandists would have us believe that they want the best for Iran and Iranians.

    Mr. Obama is propping up one of the most brutal regimes in history, and an enemy of Iran and Iran’s independence, at the same time.

    “The National Security Agency last year significantly expanded its cooperative relationship with the Saudi Ministry of Interior, one of the world’s most repressive and abusive government agencies.”


    Believe the evidence and not the little voices in your head James!

  14. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 25, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    Not at all, I am not arguing.

    If the P5+1 want a deal with Iran, they need to listen to and conform to what the highest state authority in Iran has put on the table as his final offer.

    If that is not acceptable to P5+1, that is fine too.

    Iranians are, in effect, saying “Take it or leave it.”

    P5+1 can walk…

  15. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 25, 2014 at 5:28 pm

    And exactly how many aerial bombardment sorties have Americans performed in Iraq?


  16. fyi says:

    Ataune says:

    July 25, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    Thank you for your edifying comments.

  17. Dan Cooper says:

    While the children in Gaza are being mutilated, I think it would have been appropriate if Leveretts delayed the posting of the article about centrifuges and carried on with another article exposing Israel’s genocide in Gaza.

    In solidarity with the children and the defenceless victims in Gaza, I post my previous article again and urge everyone to keep the plight of Palestinians alive in this forum and others.

    “It is an offense to intellect that the West can see thousands upon thousands of evidence of Zionist atrocities and continue supporting this fascist state with its sick pretence to ‘democracy’.

    During the past 66 years, the criminal Israeli leaders have repeatedly, arbitrarily and arrogantly violated international laws, Human rights and Geneva Convention and have deliberately and systematically terrorised, murdered and expelled Palestinian from their land.

    Occupation and ethnic cleansing is a crime, and the criminals who commit these atrocities must be brought to justice.

    Israeli leaders are without doubt the biggest existing terrorists and the greatest threat to world peace.

    66 years ago, Palestinians were happy because there was no Israel.

    Suddenly, Israel brought people from all over the world to Palestine and terrorised the indigenous Palestinian people, stole their land, forced them out of their homes and established this racist and apartheid state of Israel that we see today.

    The entire world is aware that occupation is a crime, the Israelis are the aggressors and perpetrators of this crime and the Palestinians are the victim.

    So many decent Jewish people in Israel are totally against their governments murderous atrocities in Palestine.

    More than 80 Israeli students announced their refusal to serve in the Israeli military because of what they call their nation’s track-record of oppression in the occupied territories.

    The conscientious objectors issued a letter declaring their determination not to join up during a news conference in Tel Aviv in protest against the government’s policies towards Gaza and the West Bank.

    They publicly declared that:

    “We cannot ignore the truth –

    The occupation is a violent, racist, inhumane, illegal, undemocratic, and immoral.

    “We, who were educated on the values of liberty, justice, honesty and peace, cannot accept it.”

    It was signed by 84 high school students.

    The biggest problem facing the world and the Middle East peace process are the powerful Israel lobby organisations in USA.

    The US media is a complete mouthpiece for the Israel Lobby. Never a critical word is heard against Israel.

    James Petras is a Bartle Professor (Emeritus) of Sociology at Binghamton University, New York, He wrote:

    “The great majority of the world’s people are sickened and incensed by Israel’s mass murder of the citizens of Gaza.

    Israel’s embargo, the daily ‘targeted’ assassinations of Palestinians, the ‘targeted’ missile attacks against civilians, the land, sea and air blockades and the blatant ‘targeted’ destruction of the infrastructure of Gaza.

    No government, indeed a democratically elected Hamas government, can stand by while its people are starved and murdered into submission.

    According to the respected Congressmen Bermans, only the lives of Jews matter, not the growing thousands of murdered, dismembered and mutilated citizens of Gaza – they do not count as people!

    Until we neutralize the pervasive power of the Zionist Power Configuration in all of its manifestations – In American public and civic life – and its deep penetration of American legislative and executive offices, We will fall short of preventing Israel from receiving the arms, funding and political backing to sustain its wars of ethnic extermination, Israel will continue its barbaric ethnic cleansing.

    Israel objective is to obliterate Palestinian civilization and to wipe Palestine off the map.”

    Avi Shlaim is a professor of international relations at the University of Oxford wrote;

    How Israel brought Gaza to the brink of humanitarian catastrophe.


    “A wide gap separates the reality of Israel’s actions from the rhetoric of its spokesmen.

    It was not Hamas but the IDF that broke the ceasefire. It did so by a raid into Gaza on 4 November 2008 that killed six Hamas men.

    Israel’s objective is not just the defence of its population but the eventual overthrow of the Hamas government in Gaza by turning the people against their rulers.

    And far from taking care to spare civilians, Israel is guilty of indiscriminate bombing and of a 6-year-old blockade that has brought the inhabitants of Gaza, now 1.7 million, to the brink of a humanitarian catastrophe. ”

    Israel has imprisoned 1.7 million Palestinians in Gaza strip.

    They have caged them in like animals and control their food, water, electricity and more importantly their freedom.

    when Hamas tries to defend its people and resist this illegal occupation, Israel call them terrorist.

    Hamas is a democratically elected government.

    Israel wants us to believe Hamas is a terrorist organization, but the truth is that Hamas is a democratically elected government.

    In January 2006, President Carter together with UN and British observers monitored Hamas’s election and categorically confirmed that the election was free and fair.

    I have lost counts of how many times Israel has deliberately massacred the innocent Palestinian civilians during the past 66 years.

    This makes Israel is a terrorist state and the biggest threat to world peace.

    There is no doubt in my mind that the Israel’s leaders are guilty of crimes against humanity and must be brought to the international court of justice and tried as war criminals.

    The most destructive power in the world is the Israel lobby in America, they control the media and they are the reason why Israel kills with impunity.

    Israel disregard for justice & human rights will have far-reaching consequences for mankind

    We already know that Israel genocide in Palestine has created fundamentalism around the world, which will indirectly, affects all of us one way or another.

    The whole world is suffering because of Israel desire to exist by force and occupation.

    Why do we all have to suffer because Israel wants to exist by force and occupation?

    Why do we have to tolerate it?

    Why do American public tolerate their hard earned Tax money to be used by israeli leaders to maim and slaughter innocent Palestinian children?

    When is it going to sink in, that Israel has never wanted peace, it wants the West Bank and Jerusalem without Arabs, and of course, it requires continued hostility to justify the charity and sympathy it receives!

    Israel is a serial killer and will continue to kill until and unless the international community collectively make the leaders of Israel accountable for their crimes.

    I cannot understand how the world can stand by and make excuses for an Israeli government hell bent on instigating aggression. It’s unfathomable that the people, who were victims of unspeakable crimes in World War 2, are now the perpetrators of equally heinous acts.

    Israel encourages their supporters to hijack public opinion in forums.

    The Zionist terrorists and its supporters believe in Brainwashing the international public opinion by playing “the self-defence” card, “rockets”, “Human shield”, “cover ups” and blaming the victim.

    In the age of satellites and television, this does not work anymore and the international community have called their bluffs.

    We are defending the justice and fairness for the innocent and defenceless Palestinian women and children but they are defending Israel’s military and illegal occupation and 66 years of atrocities.

    Back in January 2009,In the carnage in Gaza, we all witnessed with horror how Israel brutally massacred more than 700 innocent and defenceless Palestinian women and children.

    The Zionist leaders of Israel did not even let the international press inside Gaza because they knew that their atrocities & genocide would be revealed and their propaganda machine would collapse.

    In a sick attempt to brainwash the public opinion, the supporters of this apartheid state are still trying to portray that the aggressor (Israel) is the victim, how low and sick can you get.

    It is time the international community get together and put severe pressure on this apartheid and racist state, as they did to South Africa.

    Those of us who condemn Israel’s atrocities believe in Love, justice, fairness and the rule of law in this world and we cannot tolerate to see the criminal and terrorist leaders of Israel to get away with murder”.

  18. yk says:

    Check this out the zionists are desperately searching for a way out of their self imposed disaster.


  19. Dan Cooper says:

    Israel was born out of Jewish terrorism.

    British Jewish Zionist MP Gerald Kaufman says Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza


  20. Karl.. says:

    Another image showing the corrupt arab world during these massacre days
    if they just used 1% of their energy on palestine they could have actually achived something.

  21. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    SL’s recent speech



    “The friends in the meeting raised a number of issues which, in my opinion, are noteworthy and important. The issue of “knowledge for the sake of knowledge without paying attention to its benefits for the country” – which was raised by a number of friends – is completely correct and we have repeatedly brought it up as well.

    Today, scientific work and endeavor in the country and in our universities and research centers is a lively, successful and praiseworthy endeavor. However, everyone should pay attention that knowledge is an introduction to action. Valuable knowledge is the kind of knowledge that helps the country and that is useful for solving its problems. Mere publication of our articles in, say, ISI journals and other such journals – even if they become a reference point – is not an ideal although it is praiseworthy in terms of knowledge. Scientific work should address the needs of the country.

    This was mentioned by the friends in this meeting as well and I would like to stress it. The officials and high-ranking managers in charge of higher education are present in this meeting. I hope that by Allah’s favor, they pay attention to this point.”

    “An issue that was discussed as a peripheral issue – but that is not peripheral to me and that is an important issue – is the issue of youth’s marriage [students laugh and make noises indicating support]. We knew that you would have such a reaction to this issue. The issue of youth’s marriage is an important issue. I fear that this indifferent outlook towards the issue of marriage – unfortunately, this indifferent outlook exists more or less today – will have terrible consequences for the future of the country.”

    “There are certain wrong notions and traditions that are highly problematic. These wrong traditions are an obstacle in the way of promoting marriage among youth. Therefore, they should be practically broken. In my opinion, you – who are young, inquiring and enthusiastic and you who suggest breaking many habits and traditions – you should break the wrong traditions that exist on the issue of marriage. This is another issue that I deem necessary to stress.”

    “In my opinion, this is not the important part of the issue. The Zionist regime is a regime that has set itself the goal of showing blatant violence since the beginning of its illegitimate birth. They do not even deny this violence. They have set themselves the goal of clenching an iron fist. They say this everywhere and they are proud of it. This is their policy.

    Since the year 1948 – when this fake regime came into being officially – until today, they have been pursuing this policy. It is 66 years now that they have been pursuing this policy. Of course, it had committed many crimes in Palestine even before it was officially recognized and even before colonialists imposed it on the world and on the region. But during these 66 years, they did whatever they could as a government and as a political system. They committed any violent act that one can think a government can do to a people. And they have no scruples whatsoever. This is the truth of the Zionist regime.

    There is no cure for this except the annihilation of this regime. Annihilating the Zionist regime does not at all mean massacring the Jewish people in the region. The logical statement that our magnanimous Imam (r.a.) made – that Israel should be annihilated – is based on a human principle. We presented to the world the practical solution for this and no one could criticize it in a reasonable way. We said that a poll and a referendum should be conducted so that the people who live in, come from and belong to this region determine who should rule over it. We said that the people should resolve this issue.

    This is the meaning of annihilating the Zionist regime. This is the solution. This is a solution that is understandable and favored by today’s standards of logic in the world. This is a practical solution. We even put forward a proposal to the United Nations and a number of international organizations in charge of such affairs. And this proposal was discussed by them.

    There is no cure for the problem that this savage and wolfish regime – whose policy is to behave towards people with iron fists, cruelty and savagery and that does not care about and deny killing people and children, attacking different regions and causing destruction – has created except its destruction and annihilation. If, by Allah’s favor, that day comes and if it is annihilated, then so much the better. But what is the cure as long as this fake regime survives? The cure is decisive and militant resistance against this regime.”

    “The Palestinians should display power in the face of the Zionist regime. No one should think that if it had not been for the missiles of Gaza, the Zionist regime would have stopped their incursions. This is not the case. Notice what they are doing in the West Bank. This is while there is no missile, weapon and gun in the West Bank. The only weapon that the people have there is stones. Notice what the Zionist regime is doing there. It is doing whatever it can. It destroys people’s homes, it destroys their gardens, it destroys their lives and it humiliates and belittles them. If it is necessary, it closes water on them and it blacks out electricity.

    The Zionists could not tolerate someone like Yasser Arafat who compromised with them. They besieged, humiliated, poisoned and destroyed him. It is not the case that if we do not display power in the face of the Zionists, they will tolerate and show mercy to people and observe their rights. This is not the case at all. The only cure that exists before the Zionist regime is annihilated is that the Palestinians manage to act in a powerful way.

    If they act in a powerful way, it is possible that the other side – which is this wolfish and violent regime – will retreat, as they are looking for a truce with all their power. This means that they have become desperate. They kill people and children and they show cruelty in an excessive way. But they are desperate as well. They are in dire straits and this is why they are after a truce.

    Therefore, we believe that the West Bank should become armed like Gaza. It is necessary to show power. Those people who are interested in the fate of Palestine should do whatever they can. This is what should be done: the people in the West Bank should become armed as well. The only thing that can alleviate the Palestinians’ pains is to show power. Otherwise, if we act in a tame, subservient and obedient way, nothing that is to the advantage of the Palestinians will be done and the violence that this violent, malevolent and wolfish creature is showing will not decrease.”

    “The officials of these arrogant countries do not understand what they are doing – with these kinds of support – to their dignity and the dignity of their countries and regimes in history. They stand up with complete shamelessness and say that they support Israel. They do not at all point to the events that are happening in the region and to the disasters that this destructive and dangerous element is creating.

    This shows that today, the logic of liberal democracy – the logic and the intellectual system on the basis of which western countries are ruled and controlled – does not benefit from the slightest moral value. There is not any moral value and humane feeling in it. In fact, they are disgracing themselves. They are disgracing themselves in the face of the critical look of nations throughout the world, whether those who live in the present time or those who will live in the future.

    We should preserve this as an important experience for ourselves and we should know America. This is liberal democracy. This will and should influence our actions, our judgment and our behavior. This is the camp – that is to say, the government of the United States of America and its followers – that has stood up against the Islamic Republic today and that has challenged the Islamic Republic in different events. This is the truth about them. The truth about them is this: not only do they not show any sensitivity about the massacre of human beings and defenseless people but they also defend and support oppressors and perpetrators of appalling and great crimes – such as what is happening in Gaza today.

    This should be a standard for us. The people of Iran, our intellectual apparatus, our students and our broad-minded personalities should not forget this. This is America. This is western power and its intellectual basis – which is liberal democracy. Today, it is this intellectual basis that is confronting the Islamic system.”

    “What is important is that we should have a correct analysis of the west’s behavior in the present time. Their confrontation with the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Islamic Revolution and the Islamic movement and Awakening is part of their major polices. The major policy of global arrogance is enslaving nations and dominating their fate without paying the least attention to their interests and requests. This is the major policy of arrogance and we should pay attention to it. Anti-American, anti-western and anti-arrogance slogans in our country reflect this truth.

    Some people should not immediately jump to the conclusion that a biased or completely unreasonable task is being carried out as soon as they hear an anti-western or anti-American slogan. They should not think like this because this is not the case. This anti-western and anti-American outlook in the Islamic Revolution is based on a correct experience, outlook and calculation.

    On that day, I said to the executive officials and decision-makers of the country that the main goal of the enemy is to create disruption in our calculation system. When one’s calculation system is disrupted, it produces wrong outputs out of correct inputs. That is to say, experiences will no longer be useful to it. When our calculation system does not function properly and correctly and when calculation is not carried out in the right way, experiences will no longer be beneficial.”

    “They created as many obstacles as they could during their confrontation with the Iranian peoples’ Revolution and great movement. They supported and defended Saddam Hussein although they did not approve of him. Because Saddam was against the Islamic Republic, they helped him as much as they could. Westerners, England, America and France provided him with chemical bombs and different kinds of military weapons. Well, these are our experiences. Westoxicated intellectuals do not benefit from these experiences and they do not analyze them correctly because their calculation system has been disrupted.

    One of the most important services of the Islamic Revolution was reviving true logic and reason in the country. The fact that you young students analyze regional issues, look at different events with complete precision, identify the enemy, analyze regional events and stand firm shows the reasonable life of a country. It was the Revolution that offered this to us, but today, some people still want to go back to prior conditions. The same westernized orientations – the ones that love the west, that humiliate our people and our achievements and that humiliate national culture and identity to the advantage of western powers – want the same powers to come again and to define and introduce standards for the affairs, culture and orientation of the country.

    Those who are working against the Islamic Republic under the flag of the bloody enemies of the people of Iran are people who are after dominating the same ignorance – calculational ignorance – and the same satanic temptation that once existed opposed to the rationality of this country. I advise the dear students to strengthen their studies – both on the issue of religious and political areas – as well their scientific work. You should try to strengthen your power of analysis.”

  22. Rehmat says:

    Lol James Canning. I hate to burst your Zionist balloon, but Iran has long gained the position of a regional power – otherwise America wouldn’t have bothered to extend a “friendly gesture” to Iran. In spite of Israel and its butt-kissing Zionist mafia in United states, some patriotic American leaders have come to the conclusion that a confrontation with the Islamic Republic is not good for America’s national interests in the region and the Muslim world.


  23. Rehmat says:

    “Israel says Hamas has cynically calculated that the worse situation gets for Gazans, the better it is for Hamas. If so, why Israel is obliging Hamas?,” asks Haroon Siddiqui, former editorial page editor at Canada’s No.1 newspaper, The Toronto Star.


  24. masoud says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    July 26, 2014 at 9:45 am

    Looks like P5+1 negotiations are finally at a dead end. Let’s hope that this time they stay dead.

  25. masoud says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    July 26, 2014 at 9:45 am

    I’d appreciate it if someone could post the video when it pops up.

  26. Bussed-in Basiji says:


    You know what they say about “beating a dead horse”.

    When some have invested their entire political careers in the “success” of these negotiations, they’re gonna keep beating and beating the dead horse.

    Anyway, when Rohani and crew start talking about “if the negotiations fail, the world will know whose fault it was…” and “all economic plans of the administrations are made assuming sanctions are not lifted”- this is the “polite” Iranian way of saying “the negotiations have failed.”

    As always the arrogant end up doing what Agha initially told them they would have to do.

  27. Karl.. says:

    Haha this is just so typical of the arab states.
    Now they kill their own when they protest against israeli killings!

  28. James Canning says:


    Obviously Iran is a regional power. I’ve noted that fact for any years. However, Iran would be much stronger today if it had not had this problem (nuclear programme).

  29. James Canning says:


    What is your estimate of the “soft power” in effect forfeited by Iran due to the nuclear dispute?

  30. James Canning says:


    Your position is that Khamenei demands that Iran be able to fuel five nuclear power plants even when Iran has one plant?

  31. James Canning says:


    I have said dozens of times that the neocons and other elements of the ISRAEL LOBBY would like to see Iran smashed a bit. And they do their best to block any improvement in America’s relations with Iran. To “protect” Israel. Meaning, to facilitate continuing expansion of illegal colonies of Jews in the West Bank.

  32. James Canning says:


    I directed to FYI a comment that should have been for you. (Regarding neocon effort to get Iran smashed a bit, to “protect” Israel and facilitate illegal colonisation programme in the West Bank).

  33. Sakineh Bagoom says:

    Gaza today, has eerie resemblance to the ‘Stanford prison experiment’; an experiment that has also been used to illustrate cognitive dissonance theory and the power of authority. Except, in this case, there is no ‘superintendent’ to terminate the experiment. It seems US Navy and Marine Corp, and by extension, IDF/IOF learned quite a bit from the experiment.

  34. fyi says:

    Mr. Ataune:

    I think that US planners are of two minds:

    one that is keen on reprising the Cold War again, this time against Russia and China and another that wishes to continue a religious war in the Middle East.

    For nothing else could explain the willingness of the United States to enter another quagmire in Syria on August 2013 – followed by the war against Iran.

    There used to be something called Kremlinology – the study of the Communist Rulers of USSR – we seem to need something similar for the NATO states – Washingtonology…

  35. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 26, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    My position is that Americans and Europeans have lost the most salient and important quality that a salesman must possess: “The Ability of Listening to the customer and offering him what he wants.”

  36. James Canning says:


    Obama stayed out of the quagmire in Syria, after the Aug. 21st CW event last year.

  37. James Canning says:


    You appear to be saying Iran wants ability to supply nuclear fuel to five power plants even if Iran has only one. And that P5+1 should give Iran this ability.

  38. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 26, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    I am not saying anything, I am restating Mr. Khamenei’s statements.

    P5+1 must deal with him and not I.

  39. Dan Cooper says:

    An honest Israeli Jew tells the Real Truth about Israel


    Miko Peled was born in Jerusalem into a famous and influential Israeli Zionist family. His father was a famous General in the Israeli Army, of which Miko also served his time.
    When Miko’s niece was killed by Palestinian suicide bombers, you may have expected the family to put Palestinians at fault, but surprisingly they blamed the state of Israel, and their violent torturing and persecution for driving people to such sadness that they would take their own lives.

    Through his father’s deep knowledge of the Israeli war of terror, together with his own research, Miko Peled ruins the myths surrounding the Israel and Palestine situation, and delivers a truth so damning that many Jews and Israel supporters will not be able to bear it. He reveals facts such as the original expelled Jews are not the ones returning, and they are not their descendants either, covers the double standards regarding the right of return, which doesn’t apply to Palestinians, and dispels the myth that there has been a conflict for ages by producing proof that it was peaceful up until 1947 when Israel launched their illegal attacks.

    Miko is just one of the many modern day Jews against Zionism and the state of Israel, and with the information he delivers in this astounding talk, it is not difficult to see why more and more Jews are rejecting Zionism and calling for the dismantling of Israel. It is a true eye-opener for anyone who has for too long been blinded by the fake misinformation given by the mainstream media, and the truths come straight from the heartland where he has spent many years documenting the real story.

  40. Persian Gulf says:

    a little old, but relevant these days 🙂


  41. Rehmat says:

    James Canning – Since you refuse to grow-up. Let me repeat what I told you at another White Supremacist website.

    Iran, like other 45 members of NPT has the rights to proceed with its desire to enrich uranium for civilian usage – even to acquire nuclear capability like Canada, Brazil, Argentina, Japan, South Africa, Germany, South Korea, etc.

    The west’s problem with Iran’s nuclear program is that once Iran reaches nuclear capability – it would be very difficult for the Zionist entity to spill civilian blood in Syria, Gaza and Lebanon.

    On January 17, 2012 – Maj. Gen. Amir Eshel, head of the Israel Occupation Force (IOF) planning department, told reporters in Jerusalem that once Iran poseses nuclear arsenal, it will make hard for Israel to defeat Hamas and Hizbullah.

    “If we are forced to do things in Gaza or in Lebanon – under the Iranian nuclear umbrella it might be different,” said Amir Eshel.


  42. Rehmat says:

    The pro-Israel Indian Outlookindia online news magazine in a recent article, entitled Holy Land’s Pin-Up Warriors claims that Israel’s current Gaza Massacre has made the Zionist entity a role model for Hindu extremists to deal with its (Muslim) neighbors (Pakistan and Bangladesh).


  43. Rehmat says:

    Professor Richard Falk: “When BBC Calls, Don’t Answer. That is, don’t answer, if you’re a certified critic of Israeli policies and practices.”


  44. masoud says:

    Al Quds day in Toronto was a huge success. Whearas in previous years there were maybe a couple of hundred marchers, this year 5,000 showed up. The organizers must have ensured no one displayed a Hezbollah or Hama’s flag, there were quite a couple of IRI flags in the mix.
    The organizers did an excellent job of coordinating with police and arranging transportation from the suburbs. Sadly, there was no large showing of Iranians, and those that did show up were in small disparate groups. I remember person in particular was marching with a very harsh sign, but when anyone asked to take a picture of it he made sure to hide his face behind it. It really is a shame how terrified Iranians are in this country of expressing political sentiment.

  45. masoud says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    July 26, 2014 at 11:59 am

    Yeah, does anyone remember ‘negotiations are about achieving our goals,not taking positions!’, and other hits by Rouhani and Zarif? Those two are going to have a lot of words to eat.

  46. masoud says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    July 26, 2014 at 11:59 am

    Thanks for the video.

  47. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    July 26, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    The naming and grouping of various influence groups is a con! There is a continuum of influence groups working for the same end – supremacy of the West.

    For one, these groups are used as a means of deflection. At various time and under various conditions, US and UK politicians, or these various groups, point to each other as “the culprit” – they did it, they forced us! It is simply a shell game! The intelligence community astut

  48. Jay says:

    Sorry for the incomplete post!

    The naming and grouping of various influence groups is a con! There is a continuum of influence groups working for the same end – supremacy of the West.

    For one, these groups are used as a means of deflection. At various time and under various conditions, US and UK politicians, or these various groups, point to each other as “the culprit” – they did it, they forced us! It is simply a shell game! The intelligence community astutely set up endowments, political organizations, rights watch organization and much more as a “tool chest” that can be used to deflect policy, to create policy, and for use as levers of pressure.

  49. kooshy says:

    In my opinion this analysis is very well observed for those who understand Persian they should read this since Mr Mohammadi is well versed in geopolitics of Iran and I might think he also works in SNSC.

    یادداشت/مهدی محمدی
    ایران و دینامیک متلاطم منطقه خاورمیانه

    خبرگزاری تسنیم: همه اینها، در حالی است که قدرت نرم ایران در منطقه به شدت رو رشد است. این قدرت نرم نخست ناشی از رفتار اصولی ایران در قبال تحولات منطقه و دوری از نان به نرخ روز خوردن است.

  50. James Canning says:


    and what does “supremacy of the West” mean, in your view? Sensible economic policies?

  51. James Canning says:


    Am I correct I thinking you prefer that attention not be drawn to the role of the neocons in subverting the national security of the American people?

  52. Empty says:


    Your post reminded me of the book, The Revolution Will Not Be Funded. An excerpt from that book:

    “… Non-Profit Industrial Complex (NPIC) is the natural corollary to the prison industrial complex (PIC). While the PIC overtly represses dissent, the NPIC controls dissent by incorporating it into the state apparatus, functioning as a ‘shadow state’ constituted by a network of institutions that do much of what government agencies are supposed to do with tax money in the areas of education and social services. The NPIC functions as an alibi that allows government to make war, expand punishment, and proliferate market economies under the veil of partnership between the public and private sectors.”

  53. James Canning says:

    Zbig Brzezinski has suggested Palestine be admitted to the UN. Good idea.

  54. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Jay, Empty,

    Check this out:

    Justice Dept. Moves to Shield Anti-Iran Group’s Files


    “The Obama administration has gone to court to protect the files of an influential anti-Iran advocacy group, saying they likely contain information the government does not want disclosed.

    The highly unusual move by the Justice Department raises questions about the connections between the American government and the group, United Against Nuclear Iran, a hard-line voice seeking to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. The group has a roster of prominent former government officials and a reputation for uncovering information about companies that sometimes do business with Iran, in violation of international sanctions.”

    “The group said it based its accusations on “valid research, credible documents, distinguished relationships, and pre-eminent sourcing.” In court, Mr. Restis demanded that the group disclose those documents and its relationships.

    Soon after that demand, Mr. Restis said he was approached by an Israeli businessman, Rami Ungar, with no direct connection to United Against Nuclear Iran.

    According to court documents filed by Mr. Restis’s lawyers, Mr. Ungar knew details about the case and said he was “authorized to try to resolve the issues” on behalf of the group’s supporters.

    It was not clear who those supporters were. Like many nonprofit groups, its donor list is secret. Mr. Restis’s lawyers said in a letter to the judge in April that they had uncovered information that United Against Nuclear Iran “is being funded by foreign interests.”

    Mr. Ungar did not respond to phone and email messages seeking comment. Mr. Restis has filed court documents seeking Mr. Ungar’s testimony. He is also seeking testimony from Meir Dagan, the former Israeli intelligence chief and an adviser to United Against Nuclear Iran, who Mr. Restis believes served as a conduit between the source and the group.

    It is not unusual for lawyers to demand documents and lob unfounded allegations, particularly in the early stages of a case. The threat of embarrassing disclosures can make both sides eager to settle before a trial. But the Justice Department’s court appearance lent credibility to the idea that larger, hidden interests were at stake.

    One of the government lawyers on the case, Anthony J. Coppolino, specializes in national security litigation. He has defeated challenges to the Bush administration’s warrantless wiretapping program and President Obama’s authority to launch a drone attack on an American citizen.

    If the Justice Department formally asserts the law-enforcement privilege this week, Judge Ramos has said he will have “a great number of questions” about how and why.

    “I am particularly concerned,” he said in April, “that the defendants are able to utilize certain information in its public statements, and then not have to answer to their actions on the basis of a privilege.””

  55. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Sorry BiBiJon your post hadn’t appeared yet when I posted the same link.

  56. Roger says:

    Clear speech by Nasrallah.

  57. Iranian says:

    I haven’t participated much in the discussions over the past couple of years, but last night I was thinking about the slaughter of Palestinian children in Gaza as well as the massive rallies across Iran on Qods day. The weather was extremely warm and there was little shade and people walked for hours and most were fasting and there was was no way people could have cakes and drinks, so how do the remnants of the green brigade justify such enormous crowds especially in a city like Tehran?

  58. Nasser says:

    From Ambassador Freeman: “Obama’s Foreign Policy and the Future of the Middle East”

    The article didn’t contain anything new or interesting for me till it got to the end where an excerpt reads:

    “But, if the United States and Iran remain enemies, the obvious alternative for the United States would be to accept the inevitability of an expanded Salafi-dominated state that will replace much of the political geography in the region, to work with Saudi Arabia to tame extremist tendencies within such a state, and to yoke it to a regional coalition to balance Iran, as the Iraq U.S. intervention destroyed once did.”


  59. Nasser says:

    The good ambassador on the situation in East Asia. I have quoted my favorite passages from the article and decided to exclude his reccomendations for US policy makers.


    “Current American strategy in the Indo-Pacific posits an imperative of preserving U.S. military dominance indefinitely. A consensus embodying this belief is now so entrenched in Washington that it need not be articulated, cannot be questioned, and allows no discussion of alternative, less risky strategies for securing peace and stability in the region. It has generated policies that include blank check commitments to allies and friends tussling with China, a drift toward ever-clearer embrace of their territorial claims against China’s, a vigorous effort to deny China immunity from attack from the seas immediately off its coasts, aggressive intelligence collection there, and war plans that envisage air and cyber strikes deep inside Chinese territory.

    So far at least, these elements of U.S. policy have jeopardized, not enhanced, security for both America and its Asian allies. Chinese animosity toward the United States has risen. Confrontations between China and its neighbors have multiplied and intensified. Beijing’s stand on its claims has hardened. The number of insignificant places where miscalculations could spark armed conflict has grown. No one wants war but, despite lip service to diplomacy, no one is doing anything to dampen, still less cure, the disputes that might ignite it. Both the United States and China remain focused on upping the military ante to deter each other, not on diplomacy aimed at removing the need to do so.

    Despite enormous progress in every other dimension of their relations, Washington and Beijing have yet to develop the accuracy of mutual perception, confident understanding of each other, and precision of discourse needed to contain conflict and prevent its escalation. The potential consequences of these deficiencies in the Sino-American relationship are enormous. They include intercontinental cyber and nuclear war. By comparison to the United States, its allies, and China, the combatants who blundered into World War I were vastly better equipped to avoid the conflagration they failed to stave off.

    The U.S. Navy routinely probes Chinese coastal defenses and seeks to demonstrate its ability to deny China control of its near seas in time of war. After initially disputing America’s legal right to do this, China has begun to carry out similarly provocative activities off Guam. It is laying plans to do so along the U.S. Pacific coast…..

    Much of the intelligence collection effort against China is designed to support a new U.S. doctrine of “Air-Sea Battle.” This is an evolving concept of military operations designed to respond to the increasing ability of China and other nations to block attacks by U.S. forces deployed off their coasts. It envisions strikes deep inside China to disrupt command, control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities, destroy weapons systems, and deprive Chinese forces of the ability to retaliate. It is as technically brilliant as the German General Staff’s plan for victory in World War I was, but even more politically obtuse.

    Like the German plan, Air-Sea Battle is all about an offensive to overwhelm the other side’s defenses. Despite the near certainty that any conflict with China would be protracted, it seems to assume a short, decisive war. There are no long-term strategies or war aims associated with its planning scenarios. It is unrelated to any thinking about war termination. Like the German plan, Air-Sea Battle is being developed on a military technical basis in isolation from serious policy oversight. By focusing on strikes deep within the Chinese homeland, it effectively excludes defensive campaign strategies and limits rather than expands U.S. options in Taiwan, Senkaku, or other contingencies. It does not consider how to discourage counterattacks or control escalation. It is much more likely to produce multiple touchbacks than a touchdown. And even a touchdown wouldn’t end the game.


    The United States has no interest of its own in who owns any of the areas in dispute between China and its neighbors or in where they fix their boundaries. It cannot be wise to let issues in which one has no intrinsic interest decide whether there is peace or war with another nation, still less a nuclear-armed great power. The current U.S. focus on deterring China, rather than helping allies and friends settle their disputes with it, makes these disputes military flash points. By doing nothing to resolve them, it perpetuates the risk of war.”

  60. Dan Cooper says:

    Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity.” Horace Mann

    America has once again exercised its political clout in favor of the perpetrators of crimes against humanity; its voice the lone one to vote against a call to investigation by UN Human Rights Council into the Israeli offensive’s violations of international laws. As the population of Gaza is left without food, clean water, and medicine, and as the annihilation of Palestinians continues, Power and her bosses give their full support to Israel’s continued crimes against humanity and genocide.

    Hypocrisy has never shown such an ugly, shameless face as that of America’s ambassador to the UN, Samantha Power– in this age of genocide.


    By Soraya Sepahpour-Ulrich

  61. Jay says:

    Empty says:
    July 27, 2014 at 2:17 pm
    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    July 27, 2014 at 11:01 pm

    Empty, thank you for the reference to the book. I now have a copy of it and it looks like it will be great reading!

    B-in-B, your reference is one more example of this fraud that is being perpetrated on masses of people. I am not surprised at all – I am surprised that it is being discussed in NYT.

    These groups, endowments, non-profits, in collusion with “journalists” and “pundits” are engaged in nothing short of a large scale crime against people.

  62. fyi says:

    Nasser says:

    July 28, 2014 at 7:58 am

    Those are sensible comments but they would be ignored.

    Advanced industrialized countries cannot be great military powers, great economic powers, and, at the same time, protect their populations from the vagaries of global market.

    UK is discarding her global military role.

    US, on the other hand, is discarding protecting her population. Consider: they are closing rural clinics – specially those serving Black Americans. Consider: every time there is an electrical storm some where in US, hundreds of thousands of house-holds and businesses lose electric power for hours and sometime days – year after year.

  63. Nasser says:

    fyi says: July 28, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Thank you for your comment.

    Why did the Western leadership so eagerly push for “globalization”? Was it greed got the best of them and they failed to see any downsides?

  64. Rehmat says:

    Israeli media reported on Sunday that Barack Obama in a telephone chat with Benjamin Netanyahu urged him to extend the “humanitarian cease-fire” in order to save Israel from further world condemnation.

    Obama’s non-stop knee-bending in front of Israeli prime minister Netanyahu is so pathetic that one cannot even laugh anymore. The president of the world’s most powerful nation which has shielded the Zionist entity since 1948 with over $3 trillion financial and military aid; over 47 vetoes at the UNSC and making Arabs and Muslims kill each other through direct and proxy wars – has become so weak that he cannot even tell Netanyahu to stop killing Gazan otherwise he would stop some of American support to Israel.


  65. Rehmat says:

    Roger – Sheik Nasrallah’s speech on Al-Quds Day (Friday) in Beirut.

    Nasrallah first offered his sincerest condolences to the families of the victims on the recent Algerian Air plane, which crashed in Mali with 116 people including a Lebanese family aboard. He then addressed the current events in Palestine, and condemned the Israeli aggression. Sayed Nasrallah made comparisons between the July 2006 war against Lebanon, and the current July 2014 war against the besieged Gaza strip. He also spoke about how weak the Israeli defense forces have become, since they haven’t been able to achieve any of their war goals.

    Nasrallah stressed that Hizbullah was and will always stay beside the armed resistance in Palestine against the Zionist entity despite some political differences (like Syria, Muslim Brotherhood, Qatar). He voiced readiness to offer support at all levels to the caged brothers in Gaza, if needed. But he voiced his confidence that the Islamic resistance has already given the Zionist army a military and moral defeat by not allowing the so-called “invincible army” to gain a single victory since its air and ground invasion of Gaza Strip over two weeks ago.

    “When we reach day 18 of the war amid Israeli and international failure to achieve goals in Gaza, this means the resistance has triumphed,” Nasrallah said.

    Following are some other points raised by Sheikh Nasrallah during his speech.

    The US, the West, and the UN Council cover the war, some Arab regimes are also conspirators, yet on the other hand, the people pf Gaza held tight onto the resistance, there has been political steadfastness to the stances of the resistance movements,” noting “I tell you all, that what will determine the situation is the tripartite equation of the battle on field, the popular steadfastness, and the political determination.

    As the Zionist regime failed in achieving its goals and felt helpless before the resistance, it resorted to killing innocent children and targeting civilians and inhabited areas, in order to exert pressure on the incubating environment of the resistance, exactly what it had tried to do in the 2006 July war.


  66. James Canning says:

    Ed Luce has some interesting comments in the Financial Times today, regarding Aipac’s power on Capitol Hill etc. He reminds his readers that Obama detests Netanyahu.

  67. fyi says:

    Nasser says:

    July 28, 2014 at 11:50 am

    Americans pushed globalization because they thought they could make more money from Finance – sort of like the City in London as well as vey high technology items such as weapons systems, air planes and satellites, as well as software, entertainment, chip manufacturing equipment, and electronic IP.

    And the internal consumer finance kept Americans busy building houses and subsidizing China’s industrialization.

    In Silicon Valley, the most expensive and smartest engineers worked in the area of chip development – creating intellectual property that could be then turned into silicon chips in Taiwan. Those jobs are also steadily being sold to India. And Indian resource costs $ 20 per hour, a US one $ 75.

    Large parts of California are now reminiscent of a Third World country with a poor population that performs menial labor and a well-to-do population of businessmen and professionals with their own private schools and so on.

    Just look at the case of Iran, China, and Russia and the US reaction to; there is no war that they do not like.

  68. James Canning says:

    Peter Jenkins has some pertinent comments on the Iranian nuclear negotiations, at Lobelog.com today.

  69. James Canning says:


    Surely you are aware that US economic policies enable the continuing fast growth of the economy of China. This is your idea of “war”?

  70. James Canning says:

    The Financial Times today has a further report on Russia’s continued supplying of heavy weapons to the separatists in eastern Ukraine.

  71. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Funny how that works, everyone who is a US/western stooge is usually also a criminal.

    Tufts U should be proud of their new “professor”.

    Georgian prosecutors charge ex-president Saakashvili


  72. nico says:

    Nasser says:
    July 28, 2014 at 11:50 am

    “Why did the Western leadership so eagerly push for “globalization”? Was it greed got the best of them and they failed to see any downsides?”

    And why Iran, KSA, China or others do implement policies of their choosing
    And why the US, Europe and Japan do what they do ?

    That is simple each country is implementing macro policies lasting for decades that is linked to each regime.
    Each regime live in is own paradigm and will not change macro policies at whim.

    Why do you think the US are after regime change here and there ?

    Each regime is related to structure of powers and dominating interests, as well as ideology rooted in history and culture as well as established geopolitical order.

    Such paradigm is not changed overnight.
    As an example the neo liberal trend in the west has its root in.the late 60s. Following decades of weakening of the previous economical order.

    One cannot expect the west and the world to change the globalization trend short of collapse or regime change in the next decade in major heavy weight countries.

    But no doubt that will happen.

    More mundanely put the current globilzation trend is led by several factors in the west and first in the US.
    – the structure of power (ploutocratic not democratic)
    – ideology (enlightment secular materialist system)
    – historically (no need to elaborate about the cold war)
    – economical and social cycles (capitalism natural trend, remember the 1929 financial crisis ? And the globalization crisis right before 1914 ) – Hegel quotes : “We learn from history that we do not learn from history”

    But the way you recognize when a regime is truly is at a dead end and rotting phase is when the duty of the intelligent man is to restate the obvious (Orwell).
    Suffice to see the Western intellectual bankruptcy and terrorism in the MSM. Just like the Pravda under Breyjnev.
    And you know what happened to USSR ?

    Who today is able to challenge the paradigm ?
    Paul Craig Roberts says it all in his articles.
    But he is not taken seriously. Like a conspiracy theorist.

  73. Ataune says:


    [Sorry about the length]

    First, I am sure when they thought of the offensive posture after 9/11 those policy planners had also in mind fomenting sectarian discord between middle-easterners as a tool in the service of the executive. The neo-con promoted forward policy borrowed almost all her tactics from the Israeli book, having undistinguishable similarity with the ones employed by those “veterans” (we can still witness the appalling nature of those tactics today in the renewed aggression against Palestinians). So, if you see elements of “religious war” it shouldn’t confound you with the real objective. The means are sectarian strife here, Sunni versus Shia; political division there, Hamas versus PLO. The goal is control and hegemony.

    Second, going back to what I said before, the frontal policy adopted after 9/11 created several major hurdles for the overall US goal. They are still causing derailments in her march for control.

    (1) If, by the circumstances of her birth, Israel is a frontline entity with direct “exposure in the battlefield”, US isn’t, at least against the protagonists in South-West Asia, and need not to be.
    (2) Being in places that one does not need to be, causes weaknesses being exposed. Not only to the eyes of the official planners but also, worse, to the outsiders’ ones and adversaries.
    (3) The overall hard result of years of direct war in the region has been in the negative column both domestically and politically as I explained before.
    (4) And, adding to this, the rise of the direct US challengers in the international arena as I said.

    Therefore, the evidences of change in the means of American involvement in the region that we are witnessing today, which I believe is a matter of thought-out, if not incisive or consequent, decisions.

    Third and last, the failures of American policy today can mainly be traced to one major issue. The conundrum that policy makers face when taking into American strategic consideration the “interests/security requirements” of Israel.

    A Western project from her inception, Israel faced “existential threat” from the local population from whom the land was taken. At that time though US policies in the region were straightforward and easy to implement. Display an outsider role; give the perception of a balanced arbiter; keep a so-called peace process indefinitely alive; give lip service to Palestinian legitimate demands; let the facts on the ground run their course.

    With the introduction of nuclear weapon in Israel arsenal around 1970, and later a missile range of 10,0000 km, From Pakistan to Maghreb was under the perimeter defining the strategic Israeli force projection. Thus the nature of the US security protection for Israel needed a change. Since for obvious reason the nuclear option wasn’t projected to deter Palestinians, the only real legitimacy issue for Israel needed to be forgotten and de-escalated. Other imaginary threats “emerged” as “existential ones”, Iran among others. US policy planners therefore needed to take in account a force projection requirement which couldn’t play out well with their own interests calculation in the region. While the Madrid process was trying to bring the Palestinian “issue” to a closure; US move to place more force directly in the region to back the Israeli deterrence was taking shape. These ill-advised set of policies were given birth at the time of the Ford administration, when coincidently both Cheney and Rumsfeld were prominent security policy players. The culmination of these policies came with the costly and disastrous direct and frontal US presence in the region, when both men were back to the helm.

    The current de-escalation with Iran should be seen in such a political context. To have a clearer idea of what the events might take us in the future, Palestine as usual, with the future role of Hamas, but also Turkey and Qatar are the spots where one needs to pay attention the most.

  74. Karl.. says:


    Too bad Brezinski is more or less a sick warloving racist against anything Russian, because on most other subjects he is quite on point.

  75. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Speaking of “globalization”…

    Maybe it’s just about mother-and-homeland selling dalal bitches making a quick profit, right?

    Plutocrat blood suckers- in some countries they wear neck-ties and in some they don’t.

    During the Khatami admin SL publicly rebuked the very same “gentleman” who is currently the agriculture minister and who was the agri min then about the very same thing.

    At some point we will have to “chop his head off”, right?

    Private buyers in Iran look to play bigger role in grain imports


  76. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Don’t hold your breath that Ali Khan Larijani will do anything to any of these these old and new farts in the current cabinet, even if the Majlis members would want to.

    His job is to protect this admin at all costs.

  77. Nasser says:

    fyi says: July 28, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    Thanks again for your comments. Your explanation did clarify a lot for me.

    So it started with low end manufacturing. Such work was beneath them anyway
    then high end manufacturing such as fabrication of chips, while the US still retained the design houses and brands,
    now design work and other skilled work can also be outsourced to increasingly educated, motivated and crucially; dirt cheap, Asians.

    So very very wealthy stockholders are doing just fine (for now), and see a benefit to continue this process, but Western workers including now their educated professional workers’ livelihoods are increasingly being threatened.

    I remember reading a comment by an engineer who was expressing relief that there weren’t much free or open source EDA tools for Integrated circuits available because he felt the very high cost of the commercial software tools acts as a barrier to outsourcing design work. And also these days one does hear a lot of complaints about how semiconductor and hardware start ups are having real difficulty getting venture funding in the US.

    But what used to puzzle me is the fact that there is so little push back to any such policies from “regular” Americans. Why didn’t they advocate for more social safeguards for the average citizen I used to wonder? Then I saw that they would fight tooth and nail to prevent their elected leaders from enacting any social welfare schemes. It dawned on me that most people in the US (and certainly the dominant ethnicity) thought of such policies as just a ploy to use their tax dollars to help those Americans that they despise. Their high self regard and narcissism prevents them from thinking that they themselves might need such help some day. As the saying goes: “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” I have had people outright admitting to me that they rather have their tax money used towards (even what they regard as probably excessive) militaristic adventures abroad than helping those at home who they regard as “contemptuous lazy people just asking for a handout”. Their external conduct is further aided by the fact that many of them sincerely believe in the white man’s burden and those that don’t even more sincerely believe in their God given right to dominion over all of Earth. Fascism at home and more jingoism abroad; that’s what I expect from the US for the foreseeable future.

    I have to admit, I feel conflicted however. I want to see US influence over the world lessened but one must acknowledge that they have shared so much with the world and gave us so much technology and know-how. That polities like Iran can’t catch up or make much meaningful progress has more to do with our own dysfunction and general disorganized nature.

    I suspect the Chinese somewhat feel the same way. No other country has helped them as much as the US. They got rid of the Japanese empire, helped rid them of the Soviets and as you say subsidized their industrialization and brought them much wealth. So I believe the Chinese when they say they won’t make an enemy out of the US until and unless the US chooses to do so first itself.

    You know I decided to exclude any quotations from Ambassador Freeman containing policy recommendations for the US for two reasons. One, because I realized the futility of his pleas. And two, it is infinitely in Iran’s (and Russia’s of course) interest that the US and China end up at loggerheads.

  78. fyi says:

    Ataune says:

    July 28, 2014 at 3:10 pm

    Thank you for your comments.

    I agree with you that US, vis a vis Iran, is de-escalating.

    But I think that is more recent.

    In 2012 Mr. Obama was about to go to war with Iran, and in 2013 he was about to go to war with Syria, followed almost certainly with war with Iran at a later date.

    And I think one must also take into account the failure of the carefully constructed Euro-American economic war against Iran – with the purpose of creation of hyper-inflation – in tandem with the Syrian War.

    The way I see it, it was after the failure of all these wars and to-be wars failed that the Planner “found religion”.

    I would like to propose to you that US – in so far as she is taking into strategic consideration the interests of Israel – is pursuing a religious agenda.

    But I might be wrong.

  79. fyi says:

    Nasser says:

    July 28, 2014 at 4:03 pm

    I recall during 1990s, the late Paul M Sweezy (the Marxist economist) as well as Patrick Buchannan (the conservative) both warning against the dangers that the growth of finance sector posed to US economy.

    But the American people ignored that, for 30 years they were living off debt-financed prosperity which came to a crushing halt in 2008.

    I understand you point about Americans sharing so much with the world; there were Chinese buyers here buying equipment for manufacturing plants rather than from Japan because Japanese refused to upgrade the equipment later; Americans would.

    I wonder if the United States gained anything – over a period of one hundred years – 1853 to 1953 – from her relationship with Japan. A US Naval Officer accompanying the late Admiral Perry commented on the gifts of Japanese Emperor to the United States: “There is nothing here that we do not make and make better in our own country.”

    In a way, it is like Iranian people, having gotten used to subsidies for 40 years.

  80. kooshy says:

    This AH WP reporter and his Israeli firsters community are very unhappy with Israel not getting his way and yet loosing another war even with full support is getting from US and her client states, it would be fun to watch how they will tear each outers belly afterwards, David is now tasked to blame Kerry for Israel’s failure to win her newest slaughter campaign.

    “John Kerry’s big blunder in seeking an Israel-Gaza cease-fire”


  81. Ataune says:


    I tend to believe that soft power, in the kind of religion among other examples, does not set the goals of a nation but exert an influence on the ways she accomplish them. It determines the decision to undertake certain actions and to refrain from certain others. The fact for example that Khomeiny prohibited the use of chemical weapons against both Iraqi civilian and uniformed men at the time when Saddam and his henchmen – and let’s not forget with the help of the Rumsfelds – were pouring Taboon and Mustard gas on Iranians, is not only a testimony into his remarkable personality, but also help us understand how the characters of the Iranian state was shaped.

  82. Rd. says:

    Nasser says:

    “Dr Brzezinski
    Summary: Very sensible on China, Iran and Middle East; insane on Russia”

    perhaps zbig is only sensible to US interests..

    Emerging Twists in Saudi-Iran Relations and the US Geo-Politics

    “But the important question that needs to be emphatically answered here is: why is the US bringing the two erstwhile ‘enemy’ states together? Is it a part of the US’ policy of redesigning the entire landscape of the Middle East and making its own hegemony more deeply entrenched? “


  83. James Canning says:


    Zbig Brzezinski recently suggested that the status of Palestine at the UN should be upgraded, in response to the Israeli rampage in Gaza.

  84. James Canning says:


    If the US were genuinely concerned about Israel’s true best interests, the US would demand Israel get out of the West Bank.

  85. James Canning says:

    Apparently few people are aware that Boeing has quietly helped Iran to keep its venerable 747s flying, by supplying needed spare parts.

  86. Rehmat says:

    James Canning – Tell me how know such classified Boeing information? Were yo an Israeli adviser at Boeing plant during that time?

    No offence Moshe. Just curios.

  87. Rehmat says:

    Jew Comedian: “Israel is Jimmy Savile of nation states”


  88. Persian Gulf says:

    Iranian says:
    July 28, 2014 at 2:18 am

    I assume by now you know very well that the so called greens don’t believe in anything, or at least don’t know what they do believe in. most of these people who were busy criticizing you harshly back in 2008-2009 Gaza war became staunch supporters of Palestinians these days. to the point that you would prefer to stand in a corner and watch them do their task. It makes one wonder if this is real or fake.

    As you also well know Greens were, and are, very diverse. The majority of them reside in Iran and I would say they are currently su**ing the same as much as they can. apparently they are more welcome in today’s Iranian system than most of us in this website (except perhaps people like Nasser and the like who were busy damaging the whole foundation of system back in 2009). This is very obvious to me. the system is mostly run by these people (a paradox of Islamic Republic) and they have the access to the resources/power of the country. I would say forget about the greens outside. the ones inside scream for different reason, i.e. having more access to the resources/posts of that country. As a close friend of mine always says IR constantly generates greens and welcomes them as well. This is something I have a very hard time to comprehend.

    I see people who have everything in their life (education abroad fully paid, job, company, lucrative projects) from IR are telling me why I am not against the system. when I see these people I have somehow sympathy for the old greens living outside of Iran.

  89. Amir says:

    Persian Gulf says:
    July 28, 2014 at 10:55 pm

    What you said made me reflect upon my actions and thoughts during past 10 years. Now I see I didn’t understand much and sadly I’m afraid my recently acquired “knowledge” doesn’t have the depth it must.
    Bare in mind that critical appraisal of one’s own judgment would always be difficult,for anybody. I for one, am willing to repent, and have been talking about the errors of my ways with my friends and associates, making little [but expanding] headway.

  90. James Canning says:


    Those seeking good information on Boeing do well to consult the Seattle Times. The interim P5+1 deal with Iran has enabled Boeing to offer more help, to keep Iran’s aging 747s in the air.

  91. James Canning says:


    The EU has helped keep those 747s flying. Quietly helped.

  92. Empty says:

    Bussed in Basiji,

    Thank you for the link. It’s amusing to see how the article pretends these sorts of moves by the government are unusual and extraordinary.

  93. Empty says:


    I’m glad you’ve obtained the book. Based on what I have understood from your posts, I think you are likely to find the book resonating with you.

  94. Ataune says:


    I wouldn’t call a business transaction mostly beneficial to Boeing’s bottom line a help by this company. Help, as you might know, should always be without any kind of material expectation. Help for example, was when Iran welcomed more than one and half million afghan refugees fleeing American and Soviet strategic but deadly games in their country.

  95. kooshy says:

    Israel’s “Final Solution” for Gaza and the Cadaverous Conscience of the West

    Mahmoud Omidsalar


  96. kooshy says:

    The title for Dr Omidsalar’ was cut on my cut and paste error it should read

    “Israel’s “Final Solution” for Gaza and the Cadaverous Conscience of the West”

    TUESDAY, JULY 29, 2014

  97. fyi says:

    kooshy says:

    July 29, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    It is to a large extent the weakness and impotence and incompetence of the Muslim states that has led to the current situation surrounding Gaza.

    Among themselves, Muslim states have enough naval power to break the maritime siege of Gaza and thus help the Palestinians.

    But they cannot cooperate for a number of reasons.

    Turkey, Iran, Pakistan are close enough and in combination powerful enough navies to confront Israel; for example.

  98. James Canning says:

    @ataune – – Boeing books zero revenue for its efforts to help Iran keep the 747s in service.

  99. Jay says:

    Empty says:
    July 29, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    I am enjoying it so far! Thanks.

  100. Rd. says:

    fyi says:

    “It is to a large extent the weakness and impotence and incompetence of the Muslim states that has led to the current situation surrounding Gaza.”

    perhaps we should look at other countries (non muslim)!!

    “Andres Oppenheimer: Brazil crossed the line on Israel”

    “While most of the world has condemned the violence in Gaza, in most cases blaming both sides with various degrees of criticism for one or the other, Brazil has crossed the line by virtually endorsing the Hamas terrorist group’s narrative of the conflict — and for going even beyond countries such as Egypt and Jordan in its actions against Israel”

    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/07/26/4255662_andres-oppenheimer-brazil-crossed.html#storylink=cpy

  101. Ataune says:

    Future prospect for benefit, that’s the only reason behind, not help.
    A company is in the business of maximizing gain not benevolent charity.

  102. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    adjective \ə-ˈsər-bik, a-\

    :expressing harsh or sharp criticism in a clever way

    Supreme Leader’s Sermons at Eid ul-Fitr Prayers



    “The President of America has issued a “fatwa” saying that the resistance should be disarmed. Of course, it is clear that you want it to be disarmed so that it cannot deliver any blow against these crimes. But we say that the opposite should happen. The entire world – particularly the world of Islam – should provide the people of Palestine with as many weapons as they can.”

  103. James Canning says:

    @Ataune — Yes, one would assume Boeing sees potential future advantage. Boeing lobbied against sanctions, as you may know.

  104. James Canning says:

    @Ataune – – Apparently Obama wanted the 747s kept airworthy, with help from Boeing.

  105. fyi says:

    Rd. says:

    July 29, 2014 at 4:57 pm

    The fact is that the siege of Gaza cannot be broken but by the navy of a nuclear-armed state.

  106. Jay says:

    Crime (Israel) and Punishment (Russia)

    Pepe Escobar


    “So Obama, Merkel, Cameron, Hollande and Renzi – let’s call them the Fab Five – got on a video conference call to muster their courage and “increase pressure” asking for a cease-fire in Gaza. Later in the day, Bibi delivers his answer, in plain language.”

    “So what’s left for the Fab Five after having their illustrious Western collective behinds solemnly kicked? They decide to dump Gaza and instead SANCTION RUSSIA! AGAIN! How brilliant is that as an exit strategy?”

  107. Empty says:

    fyi and Kooshy,

    RE: “It is to a large extent the weakness and impotence and incompetence of the Muslim states that has led to the current situation surrounding Gaza.”

    To call many of these states Muslim states is not accurate because if we use objective measures, they could not be classified as Muslim states. These countries are Subject States with majority Muslim populations (just as the United States which is a Zionist state with populations claiming adherence to various religions and majority Christians).

    Most Arab countries in Persian Gulf have minority Arabs dispersed among actual working populations that are non-Muslim imported laborers.

    Saudi Arabia is a bastard state concoction of the Brits run by foreign [un]intelligence agents with foreign workers, dispersed Bedouins, and several incubation sites for global production of customized terrorists serving many occasions and situations.

    Jordan is mini-subject figurehead agent perching over a refugee camp dispersed among Bedouin camps and US terrorist training camps.

    Egypt is a pharaoh junior state with Muslim and Christian populations. A large portion of the GDP in Egypt comes from tourism industry of the pyramids and similar archeological sites celebrating the very Pharaohs and idols that have been condemned by Quran and other prophets before Islam and that which Muslims are required to shun and remember as fallen gods and not celebrate them with pride.

    Turkey is a dumb bird always fooled and easily trapped. It realizes what’s going on only after it’s roasted and sitting on a plate. It is run by a network of Zionist banksters and Zionist hit men masquerading as businessmen with stooge tails called KharDogan and DumbOghloo.

    Pakistan is a state run by remote control and the terrain above which drones fly and drop bombs over Muslim people. Oh, yeah, and it has a nuclear bomb in its political show room.

    Too depressing to continue…

    Then, we have Iran that could realistically be called a Muslim state. And the head of this Muslim state has openly and loudly called for arming and supporting the resistance. Let’s see if his calls are answered.

  108. kooshy says:

    Empty says:
    July 29, 2014 at 11:36 pm

    “Then, we have Iran that could realistically be called a Muslim state. And the head of this Muslim state has openly and loudly called for arming and supporting the resistance. Let’s see if his calls are answered.”

    fyi says:
    July 29, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    “The fact is that the siege of Gaza cannot be broken but by the navy of a nuclear-armed state.”


    Unlike fyi I don’t think a scale less nuclear arm state can ever break the westerner’s siege of Palestine. On the other hand, I think SL’ suggestion is much more realistic and doable, meaning arming all non-state resistance volunteers in and around Israel, after all this model has worked in Lebanon successfully and has paid off, as long as like the previous experience in Lebanon, Israel, US and their Arab client states like currently in Gaza can’t block off the re-supply lines, he is right, is much easier to supply resistance in Jordan and Syria now, than it is the Gaza that is blocked off on all 4 sides. A supplied well small armed resistance gorilla force just buy number can easily defeat army of an occupier state that his citizens have easier option of migrating to Canada or Europe or other states. this only can be done by Iran, Syria, Iraq and Hezbolah , no others will participate.

  109. yk says:

    Now I wonder what the pro – nuclear weapons IRI on this forum would have to say about this.


    I do not mean to insult as I respect your right to have differing opinion, nevertheless, I want to know how you intend to explain these vis a vis developing a weapon of mass destruction as a deterrent against such actions by the west, which some people have successfully explained on this forum as an obsolete methods that has outlived its usefulness. Thanks

  110. yk says:

    I’m no sadist but let’s be pragmatic, if harebrained policies of the west such as this would bring leaders like Putin back to reality the better for the whole world.

    While Russia was busy wheeling and dinning with US believing in some bellicose partnership with the west and living in Disney land, America was busy studying Russia’s weaknesses. Honestly it comes to me as a surprise that someone like Putin – with all his experience of the cold war and its aftermath – never realised that the EU is not an independent player and when the chips are down the EU leaders will take the side of Washington which they obviously did even at their own nations expense.

    What is the ultimate agenda of Washington in all this, the US want a complacent Russia the type under Yeltsin which they cannot achieve with Putin at the helm, making Putin the ultimate target in all these. So everything now boils down to regime change which is even more better because it would make Putin more pragmatic, accelerate his drive towards multipolar world and fine tune Russia’s decision making at UNSC.

    As I’ve said I’m no sadist but what goes around comes around, and I strongly believe that these are some of the best happenings that would usher in changes in the governing of world affairs at this junction.

  111. Sineva says:

    James Canning says:
    July 29, 2014 at 4:34 pm
    There has never been any evidence to my knowledge that boeing has supplied any help to iran in the past 30+ years to keep any of its airfleet operational,indeed it is only doing it now as part of the nuclear agreement and for which it expects to be well payed,once again you are trying to spin this as some sort of benevolence or generosity of the west

  112. Karl.. says:

    Who the hell do something like this?

    Israel attack UN school in Gaza once again, kills 25

  113. Iranian says:

    Western created Takfiris and Zionists. Which is worse?


    Very difficult to say.

  114. Nasser says:

    Good article by Professor Andranik Migranyan

    “Yet, for the purposes of restraining the growing ambitions of China, the U.S. must have control of Russian resources, for which regime change in Russia is need.” – [I would add that control of Iraq and Iran and thus world oil market is central to putting pressuring on Russia. And control of all three is central to putting pressure on China. Of course that is a really really tall order for even something as powerful as the Western bloc. So I think at the end of the day all they would have accomplished is having a lot more nuclear weapons pointed towards them.]

    “If Russia demonstrates any weakness or accommodation, the threat of new sanctions will not fade, but on the contrary, the scale of demands will increase.”


  115. Nasser says:

    “If Russia demonstrates any weakness or accommodation, the threat of new sanctions will not fade, but on the contrary, the scale of demands will increase.” – [When Mr. Khamanei makes such assessments he is called alarmist and/or fanatical; but of course he was right and more people are coming to the same conclusion on their own.]

  116. Nasser says:

    “Salafists today see that their priority as fighting Shiites, “munafiqin” (dissemblers, or false Muslims) and apostates, whom they call the “close enemy.” During the current war in Gaza, a number of IS fighters have burned the Palestinian flag because they consider it a symbol of the decline of the Islamic world, which succumbed to national divisions through the creation of independent political states.”


  117. Nasser says:

    Murderous Sunni Arabs concerned about Iranian power limiting their freedom to commit even more mass murders on Middle Eastern minorities


  118. nico says:

    As usual PCR get it right.


    “The West has ganged up on Russia, because the West is totally corrupt. The wealth of the elites is based not only on looting weaker countries whose leaders can be purchased (read John Perkins’Confessions of an Economic Hit Man for instruction on how the looting works), but also on looting their own citizens. The American elites excel at looting their fellow citizens and have wiped out most of the US middle class in the new 21st century.

    In contrast, Russia has emerged from tyranny and from a government based on lies, while the US and UK submerge into tyranny shielded by lies. Western elites desire to loot Russia, a juicy prize, and there stands Putin in the way. The solution is to get rid of him like they got rid of President Yanukovich in Ukraine.”

    Well as explained in numerous posts here that is truly a good summary.
    The plotocratic elite is controlling the western power structure.
    Help in that by the enlightment secular ideology putting Man at the center of the center of the universe leading to individualism thus to liberalism.
    Such ideological and power structure couple is leading the globalization for the interest of the global oligarchy at the expense of the domestic middle class and other brick layers by destroying borders, nations independence and protection for the poor by the states (you know there is no need for national cohesion in such individualist ideology).
    in their NWO project.
    In order to achieve this ideological and class war goal allied with the capitalist liberal system gone wild (neo liberalism) the “system” systems needs to destroy and fracture all social bonds (religion, familly, nation) and reduce the population to individual consumers and small community fighting against the common “good”.
    However such western system is worn out with the western MSM looking exactly like the soviet Pravda. While the so called Russian or Iranian media are much less biased.
    And History teach us how it will end up…

  119. fyi says:

    kooshy says:

    July 30, 2014 at 12:01 am

    You cannot fight people armed with heavy tanks and self-propelled howitzers with light arms.

    The siege of Gaza must be broken, preferably through Egypt but also through the sea.

    Don’t ever recommend a policy akin to the policy of the late Shah Ismail which resulted in the defeat of Chalduran; which was the analogue of staying within NPT.

  120. Karl.. says:

    What a despicable man

    Israel and Saudis should work together

    Cant stand the greedy sheiks and their allies in Tel aviv regime.

  121. Dan Cooper says:

    Moving video by Jon Snow about the slaughter of children in Gaza:

    Our government, Our United nation and our world is silent and not that interested but together we can make a difference.


  122. fyi says:

    Rehmat says:

    July 30, 2014 at 9:21 am

    Yes, another fool, trying to control Muslim women.

    While Gaza burns…

    And God forbid that he exercises the religious duty and the constitutional right of Forbidding Vice and Promoting Virtue by exposing the members of the Majlis who have been illegally grabbing land…

    Most of the land so obtained actually belongs to the Waqf of Imam Reza…

  123. fyi says:

    Nasser says:

    July 30, 2014 at 4:58 am

    I think this is also a very good article and documents how Germany has been acting, in effect, as the hand-maiden of US both against the former Federal republic of Yugoslavia and now against the Russian Federation.


    One of the chief lessons of the siege war of Axis Powers against Iran has been its failure; that lesson has been learnt by the Russians – but not by Axis Powers.

    I note here that Axis Powers are fighting the states that constitute the historical core of the Muslim Civilization – Iran, Iraq, Syria.

    [Mr. Canning: US opposes Mr. Maliki and his alliance, the winners of the elections in Iraq.]

    This is a civilizational war.

  124. Bussed-in Basiji says:


    The plan was implemented after the female employees themselves demanded it.

    It never enters your mind that women themselves might want maintain distance with men.

    Imagine that you old perv.

    It would be nice if you had a clue instead of repeating the voices in your head from 30 years ago.

    In terms of waqf, again you have no clue.

    There are some areas in Tehran like Daroos and Evin-Darakeh that are waqf from way back.

    During the “liberal” Karbaschi mayorship there was an attempt to “take” land in Evin-Darakeh which was thwarted by good, decent, brick-laying hezbollahis (including yours truly) through “forbidding vice and promoting virtue”.

    If you would like I can give you more “details” about “realities on the ground in Iran”, but it might interfere with the monologue in your head and the public vomiting of said internal monologue on this forum that usually follows.

  125. fyi says:


    Dr. Cordesman on Iraq:


    We read:

    “The United States and its allies face four de facto sets of enemies in intervening in Iraq: ISIS and other violent Sunni extremist and separatist factions, Maliki and violent Shi’ite extremist groups, Assad and his supporters, and at least the IRGC faction in Iran – which currently plays the dominant role in shaping Iran’s action in Iraq.”

    That is, Axis Powers enemies are: Iran, ISIS, the elected Iraqi government, Shia Irregulars in Iraq, Syrian state.

    That ISIS is supported by funds from Saudi Arabia – the US ally – is irrelevant to him, it seems to me.

  126. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    As Dehnamaki said about Karbaschi: How exactly is it that you rode into Tehran on a moped and when you were removed from office as mayor your were a billionaire?

    Of course the west and exiles with no clue were howling when the guy was put on trial for corruption.

    He moved onto an illustrious career as Karroubi campaign manager- and on election day told everyone he’ voting for Mousavi and that they should as well- and just a few days ago he was a leading voice in the “meeting” between the interior minister, Majlis and representatives of political parties about the new law on political party activities.

    Like I said, those that the western elites and Iranian exiles hail are usually the worse local criminals.

  127. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Apparently we can all agree on one thing…

    SL’s speech last night


    “If we stay together, if we pay attention to and focus on our common points, if hunger for power, selfishness, dependence and corruption do not separate us from one another, then a power will be formed that can defend and support the rights and interests of one billion and a half Muslims. But unfortunately, such a thing does not exist today…

    …But today, the world of Islam does not have the power to react to and stop this transgression and savagery and the blood-thirsty desire of the Zionists. This is why the people of Gaza are alone. Not only do arrogant powers – who are happy about the presence of Zionism in the heart of the Middle East region in order to pursue imperialist goals in this way – not support the oppressed, but they also support the oppressor with complete shamelessness. It is the responsibility of the world of Islam to do something in this regard.

    Our message to the world of Islam and Islamic governments is that you should benefit from your power and from public, national and governmental capabilities to support the oppressed. You should make the enemies understand that the world of Islam will not sit idle in the face of savagery and transgression. This is our message to Islamic governments.

    Although it is true that we may have differences of opinion with certain Islamic governments in different political and non-political areas, all of us should forget about these differences for the sake of the issue of Gaza. A part of the Islamic Ummah – in the form of an oppressed people – is struggling hard in the claws of a blood-thirsty and blood-sucking wolf. Therefore, everyone should help them. This is what we want to say.”

    “They need weapons as well. The enemy wants to disarm them so that he can attack them whenever he wants – whenever he has an excuse or even when he does not have any excuse. He wants to do something to make them incapable of reacting to him. The enemy wants this. The firm determination of the world of Islam should show itself in the face of this illegitimate claim of the enemies. This is the first task that should be carried out which is helping the oppressed: “Be a helper of the oppressed” [Nahjul Balaghah, Letter 47].

    You should be a helper of the oppressed. This help is one that falls on the shoulders of the entire world of Islam. We say to Muslim governments – the ambassadors of Muslim governments are present in this meeting – from this podium, let us join hands and work together to help the people of Gaza and to overcome the obstacles that the Zionist regime has created on this path. Let us offer every kind of help to the people of Gaza.”

    “Those who are committing these crimes are psychopaths. They are the perpetrators of these crimes, but they are not the only people who play a part in them. Today, anyone who supports the Zionists – including the officials of arrogant countries such as America, England and the like and international organizations such as the United Nations and other such organizations which support the Zionists with their silence, opinions and unreasonable statements – are an accessory to this crime.”

    “As you witnessed, on the last Friday of the auspicious month of Ramadan, the people of Iran and men and women throughout the country took to the streets and made the whole world listen to their loud cry. This was while the weather was very hot and they were fasting. This was a necessary task that the people of Iran managed to carry out.

    And if it is necessary to carry out any other task, these people are a firm and resisting people.

    By Allah’s favor, the goals and ideals of these people and the lofty goals and ideals of the Islamic Ummah will be achieved to the despair of the enemies.”

  128. kooshy says:

    The week that ushered in new Cold War
    By M K Bhadrakumar – July 29, 2014

    “The rest of the world understands perfectly well what the new Cold War is all about. Even the Europeans aren’t duffers, they too comprehend what is going on, as their great reluctance to isolate Russia testified all these weeks and months.

    Most certainly, there is no ideology involved here. It is not a war on socialism or on terrorism, nor is it a war about Ukraine or Russia intrinsically. In plain terms, the new Cold War is about the perpetuation of the US’ global dominance.

    Without the Bretton Woods system, without NATO, without nuclear superiority over Russia, the US faces the prospect of becoming a vastly diminished power over time. Without the trans-Atlantic leadership, it gets reduced to what it used to be before World War I one hundred years ago — an influential regional power in the Western Hemisphere”


  129. fyi says:

    Rehmat says:

    July 30, 2014 at 9:21 am

    And not every one in Iran is a fool – certainly not this mullah:


  130. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    How very liberal, force women to work with men for hours in confined areas even if they don’t want to instead of creating gender focused offices …

    Typical arrogant elitist westernized barbaric perversion masquerading as “enlightenment” and “civilization”.

    My guess is you didn’t want to think too much about the “essential paradox of western civilization” raised by Prof. Mann, right?

    I know, can’t have us questioning the gods after a lifetime of commitment and service to them.

  131. Amir says:

    fyi says:
    July 30, 2014 at 10:54 am

    I think the ministry of labor and social welfare would eventually withdraw this letter, but for the time being, PR of the ministry has denied that the letter had anything to do with gender segregation.
    see the link: http://www.alef.ir/vdcgz39xuak9wq4.rpra.html?236107
    I could swear I saw somewhere an official of the ministry claiming the letter reflected personal opinion of the head of international relations bureau, not the official line of the ministry, but I can’t find the link; another sign that the government would deny the letter altogether.

  132. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Of course if we consider “liberalism” the cargo cult theology of capitalism and the rationalization of the “right” of elites to make profits on the backs of brick layers…

    …then yes, forcing young women to work in confined areas with older men for a life as “free” wage-slaves- is in fact very “liberal”.

    I mean, what are the alternatives, right?

    God forbid they should have a few kids in their 20s to continue the population before being honored with the life as a wage slave in cramped offices at the ripe old age of 35?

    Right? RIGHT?!

  133. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Apparently the “free” “civilized” “secular” “technocratic” English elites are having a problem with their young ladies being raped at elite universities…

    Raping little boys in elite schools, then moving on to raping young girls in elite universities…apparently the sexual modus operandi of the civilized and civilizing British elites.

    A real model for us backward Iranian muleteers to look up to!

    I mean what “fools” are these Muslims to try to address some of the negative aspects of gender mixing. Talk about cargo cult! What idiots!

    Elite-Studenten, die von Vergewaltigung singen


  134. Amir says:

    fyi says:
    July 30, 2014 at 10:54 am

    And seriously, it is not a demand of only the “pious”; many women have voiced their grievances about male employers expecting “something” on the side. And I invite you to thoroughly study the statements of Tehran mayor last Friday, where he said this program aims to provide facilities for female staff, where there are a significant number of them that could form a separate team (not just mindless ideological stuff) and he mentioned there are female managers at the district level and he isn’t going to fire anyone or discriminate against them. Thoroughly the Islamic Republic has done much to provide a place for women in the society to be a productive part of it; I for one can testify that female physicians, nurses and midwives are doing an excellent job and have helped improve the standards of living for millions.
    And to be frank, I am on board with what minister of justice said, that efficiency could be raised by this measure.

  135. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    …And apparently that modus operandi continues once they have graduated from the elites universities and take up the white man’s burden of running western and global civilization working in offices where they have younger female secretaries which they don’t even look at indecently…I swear!

  136. Bussed-in Basiji says:


    I have worked in the US and a number of European countries and most women there would welcome such programs in their work places, where feasible.

  137. Amir says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    July 30, 2014 at 11:54 am
    I am sure “somebody” is aware of this point, but that individual is unwilling to accept that his/her position on this issue is not defensible; yet that “somebody” would go to extreme lengths to refrain from accepting the truth. And for what, the sake of his/her ego? It’s morally objectionable to put people in positions that would make them susceptible to their superiors’ “advances”; I had been told that “free” “secular” “humanist” ethics accepts this, or was I mistaken?

  138. Amir says:

    The world is in tumult over Gaza; people in Europe are watching with anxiety the developments in Ukraine and the exchange of hostile postures between Russia, the EU and US and a terrorist organization has carved an state for itself in the Middle East and is selling oil for crying out loud; yet somehow there are people who would grab at anything (gender segregation in Iran) to distract people, and citing Al-monitor for that matter.

  139. yk says:

    I really admire and appreciate the way you’ve juxtapose this issue of gender segregation in Tehran, you argue your point in a beautiful manner without pre judging. If what the mayor of Tehran did does not fall under human rights and democratic norms I wonder what qualified as such.

    Some on this forum shot themselves in the leg by not getting all the details of the issue before jumping into conclusion. They never could think in their wildest dreams that women in the IRI could demand for such a thing because they use the value obtained in secular society as a criteria for judging the actions of the IRI, they commit this fallacy not just in social issues but political, economic and military matters as well.

  140. fyi says:

    Amir says:

    July 30, 2014 at 11:46 am

    What do you recommend; a police state? Like Saudi Arabia?

  141. fyi says:

    yk says:

    July 30, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    There is a Miss Nahid on this forum and Miss Kathleen; let us here from them.

  142. James Canning says:


    Foolish claim by Cordesman, that the Syrian government and Nouri al-Maliki are “enemies” of the US.

  143. James Canning says:


    I doubt Obama sees a replacement for Nouri al-Maliki, who would bring greater stability to Iraq.

  144. James Canning says:


    Russia obviously should sell Siberian gas to China. Pricing disputes delayed such sales for a decade.

  145. Amir says:

    fyi says:
    July 30, 2014 at 1:20 pm
    I beg your pardon? I am not suggesting anything here. I’m merely saying that some people are trying to portray Iranian women as oppressed and against Tehran mayor’s proposal, when there is evidence to the contrary. I remember when we had to stay at the university for dissection classes (studying cadaver) till 8 pm and our female colleagues really appreciated the schedule in which they could finish their work earlier so they didn’t have to walk home late at night.

  146. James Canning says:


    Boeing helped Iran keep the 747s in service, and you obviously would comprehend that making loud noises about doing this would be poor PR. Given all the foolish politicians in the US Congress. Engine repairs were done in the EU, with Boeing help.

  147. Amir says:

    yk says:
    July 30, 2014 at 12:59 pm
    Thanks! You are too kind! Now that I look at what I’ve written, I am discovering several grammatical mistakes 😉

  148. Karl.. says:


    Some people here argue like neocons, if women are so oppressed, if the clergy have too much power etcetera well then why arent we supporting regime change like any ohter neocons?
    I thought it was up to Iran and no one else to decide how to run their place.