Hillary Mann Leverett Underscores the (Studiously Ignored) Demise of the “Peace Process”—and Rebuts the Myth of “Inclusion” as Panacea for Iraq

As the apocryphal Chinese curse would have it, we are indeed living in interesting times as far as the Middle East is concerned.  Hillary appeared today on MSNBC’s Melissa Harris-Perry as part of an extended panel discussion on developments in Palestine and Iraq.  The discussion spanned three separately linked segments (two on Palestine and one on Iraq).  The above embedded video is actually the third segment and is discussed below.

Regarding Palestine, see here and here, Hillary places the sad events of recent days against an essential strategic backdrop, which America’s political class goes out of its way to ignore—namely, that if there were ever any serious possibility of a “two-state” solution, this option is dead, and has been dead for a long time.  But American elites keep talking about a “Middle East peace process.”  They do so because that process is—as it always has been—about things other than actually resolving the conflict.  As Hillary explains,

“The ‘peace process’ started after the 1967 [Arab-Israeli] war.  The state of Israel was declared in 1948.  From 1948 to 1967, there was lots of fighting—but there was no peace process.  The reason a peace process was initiated, in particular by then national security advisor Henry Kissinger, was to get buy-in by Arab states for what was going to be an increased amount of military aid and financial aid to Israel—to justify that to Arab states.”

Of course, American elites like to tell themselves and their countrymen that the U.S.-Israeli “special relationship” is somehow rooted in “shared democratic values.”  Hillary recounts the uncomfortable historical truth:

“It’s so important to understand this.  From 1948 to 1967, when the Holocaust was fresh in our minds and Israel was arguably at its most democratic, we barely gave Israel food aid.  It’s not about shared values; it’s about…our relationship, our alliance with Israel.  But I would say it’s, strategically, to work with or to use Israel to project American dominance.

Now if you want that out of U.S. policy, Israel is useful.  And so during the [George W.] Bush administration, Israel was particularly useful.  Where it’s less useful is in an administration that’s pulling back from the Middle East, and that’s where you have the friction between Obama and Netanyahu.”

And so, to keep perpetuating the charade with (willfully?) gullible Arab states, Washington has pursued “various iterations of a peace process” over the last four and a half decades.  But, in Hillary’s view, we are coming “to the end of the road, with the two-state solution being the putative goal of that kind of peace process.  And I think what we’re seeing now—what we’ve seen, probably, for the last couple of years—is the death of the two-state solution as a possible resolution.”

As Hillary notes, this means “we’re left with a one-state solution.”  And that ultimately means a big shift in Palestinian strategy:

“I think what you’re going to see over the next few weeks—you may see more or less violence.  But what you’re really going to see, if the Palestinians can step up to what I call their ‘Nelson Mandela moment,’ is to proclaim ‘one state, one person, one vote,’ and to push in September, with the opening of the General Assembly here in New York at the UN, for a state to sign up to the International Criminal Court, bring the Israelis there, and have this adjudicated that way, and not rely any longer on the United States and Israel to come to their aid.”

As Hillary lays out, this shift is linked to important “changes in the international system, where you have the United States as a power in relative decline, and other powers relatively increasing.  And so with that, this focus that I think you’ll see as a next step with the Palestinians—to unilaterally declare statehood in the General Assembly…[to] bring their case to the International Criminal Court, to use international institutions and international public opinion will be something that the United States has never had to deal with before.”

Regarding Iraq, click on the video above or see here, Hillary takes issue with the conventional Washington wisdom—espoused with particular fervor among Democrats—that the current crisis is all the fault of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki:

“This is an excuse.  This is a bipartisan failure of catastrophic proportions for the United States—first with Republicans in invading Iraq, and now with the Democrats essentially blaming it on Maliki.  The idea that Maliki can be more ‘inclusive’ and bring in foreign fighters—one of the key leaders in this is Chechen, for Russia—the idea that that can become a more inclusive government is snake oil and should be seen for what it is.

Maliki won the last election, it’s a parliamentary democracy.  He is now going to go about the very messy process—like he did last time—of assembling a coalition in a state that is majority Shi’a.  So surprise, surprise, the majority government is going to be Shi’a.  The Sunnis have never accepted this, they’ve never accepted to live under a Shi’a-dominated political order, and they have very powerful patrons outside the country—like the Saudis, like the Qataris—that have armed, funded, and trained this to the hilt, and now we have a disaster on our hands.”           

Hillary also disputed the accumulating collection of overly facile demands from Washington elites that the United States micromanage some new and, at least from an American perspective, “superior” political reality in Iraq:  “We shouldn’t be in there manipulating political outcomes to our favor.  People don’t want to live in a militarily dominated, U.S. political order in the Middle East.  We need to pull back and rethink this policy.”

Yes, but old habits die hard in official Washington.

–Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett

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138 Responses to “Hillary Mann Leverett Underscores the (Studiously Ignored) Demise of the “Peace Process”—and Rebuts the Myth of “Inclusion” as Panacea for Iraq”

  1. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    M Ali,

    Excellent job.

    You know it’s too good to be true when somebody promises you to turn shit into gold, right?

    I have one serious criticism of your post: The idea that any of these old farts in the admin can get a boner about anything. Have you lost your mind?

    If you wanna make a billion dollar investment for a production site in Iran, this is an urgent priority:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viagra

  2. M.Ali says:

    I’m just impressed you instantly knew an Iranian was behind it based on a few spelling errors.

  3. Castellio says:

    What a strange interview! I mean, it was over before it started. That’s it?

    Yes, Hillary was good: clean and clear in the few seconds she had. But oh my god, the last question was absurd, the lack of conversation was absurd, the total effect one of confusion and bad faith.

    Tell me that was a misguided trailer….

  4. nico says:

    Partial repost from a post in 2013.
    Where it shows that the Israel-US connection goes way beyond geopolitics.
    The Leveretts point about the US using Israel is true (and the other way arround). But it provides only one version of the multifaceted and complex relationship between the jewish community (economic and intellectual influence as well as religious connection) and the western european modern christian and post christian world and afterward the US.

    Excerpt from Herman Melville’s “white-jacket”published in 1850.

    http://www.online-literature.com/melville/white-jacket/36/

    “Escaped from the house of bondage, Israel of old did not follow after the ways of the Egyptians. To her was given an express dispensation; to her were given new things under the sun. And we Americans are the peculiar, chosen people–the Israel of ourtime; we bear the ark of the liberties of the world. Seventy years ago we escaped from thrall; and, besides our first birthright–embracing one continent of earth–God has given tous, for a future inheritance, the broad domains of the political pagans, that shall yet come and lie down under the shade of our ark, without bloody hands being lifted. God has predestinated, mankind expects, great things from our race; and great things wefeel in our souls. The rest of the nations must soon be in our rear. We are the pioneers of the world; the advance-guard, senton through the wilderness of untried things, to break a new pathin the New World that is ours. In our youth is our strength; inour inexperience, our wisdom. At a period when other nations havebut lisped, our deep voice is heard afar. Long enough, have webeen skeptics with regard to ourselves, and doubted whether, indeed, the political Messiah had come. But he has come in us, ifwe would but give utterance to his promptings. And let us always remember that with ourselves, almost for the first time in the history of earth, national selfishness is unbounded philanthropy;for we can not do a good to America but we give alms to the world.”

  5. nico says:

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Melville

    By the way Melville was Protestant…

  6. Karl.. says:

    Had to fastforward to Hillary, cant stand this self proclaimed expert bs talk.

  7. James Canning says:

    I see no reason the borders of Israel or Palestine need to change merely because hundreds of thousands of Jews have been illegally settled in the West Bank. And I do not think Israel can be compelled to annex entire West Bank.

  8. James Canning says:

    Paul Pillar has some trenchant comments re: Israel/Palestine at Lobelog.com today: “Benjamin Netanyahu’s excellent adventure”. Pillar sees that Bibi is setting up endless war in the Middle East, so Israel can grow the illegal colonies in the West Bank.

  9. kooshy says:

    “7th July: Iraqi Kurdistan needs 6 million liters of gasoline per day to provide for over 600000 cars but produces only 3.2 million liters. The local government has resorted to rationing in view of this shortfall.”

    Amirabdolahian (Iran’s DFM) to Barizani (president of Kurdstan): what was that you said you want to have ? did I hear you said “independence”

    Back in 2007 I saw myself miles of oil tankers crossing border to Iran and at the same time miles of refined petroleum tankers crossing the border to Kurdistan

  10. Sammy says:

    http://www.syrianews.cc/isis-the-bombshell-interview-to-impeach-obama/

    ..The author found some difficulties in finding a proper title for this post, which is based on a TV interview with the founder of Jihadist movement in Egypt and a former top Al-Qaeda commander. Each line of the interview is a title by itself, each piece of information is more than enough to put tens of western officials and their regional stooges behind bars for long times, those who are acting as the Humanitarian Bastards crying for the suffering of the innocent they only inflicted their suffering…..

  11. Pouya says:

    Hillary

    you go girt!

  12. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Remember Bahrain?

    Gee, we kinda like the torture when it suppresses questioning the 5th Fleet HQ in Bahrain, but then we can’t sleep at night cause it goes against everything that we consider “ethical” and “decent”.

    This is what’s called being up shit creek without a paddle…

    U.S. Official Ordered Out of Bahrain After Meeting

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/08/world/middleeast/us-official-ordered-out-of-bahrain-after-meeting.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

  13. Jay says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    July 8, 2014 at 6:47 am

    Pentagon and NSA corrupted the idea of activist organizations in the 60s and spent two decades building phony organizations with names like HRW and phony NYT journalists with names like – well, you know who!

    Nowadays, there are so compartmentalized, and so concerned about their marketing image, that every once in a while they point fingers at each other.

  14. James Canning says:

    Lyndon Johnson was President in 1967 and he failed to give adequate backing to the British effort to get Israel out of all territories occupied during the June war, asap.

  15. Karl.. says:

    Israel/Palestine conflict will never stop, just watch today, israel beating kids, planning to attack Gaza again. Who cares? Not even the phony PLO.

  16. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    July 2, 2014 at 3:48 pm

    Sorry to hear that. I am sure no one did any study afterwards to scientifically see what medicine or its contaminant caused it. Unfortunately in third world countries like Iran, they never conduct anything equal to phase IV and V drug studies (in addition to not ever having done any phase I, II, III studies in the history).

    Cargo cult to the bone. What would the world have done if it did not have the West to provide people with all these vital and life saving services and products?

  17. Smith says:

    Nasser says:
    July 7, 2014 at 10:05 am

    All lies. He is a democratically elected leader. And the Western calls for him to include AQ in his government are hypocritical. The Western democratic leaders did not include AQ in their governments when AQ attacked them. Neither should he. At any rate, as I had said, this situation in Iraq is a Godsend for Iran. It has provided Iran with the opportunity to increase its influence in Iraq, specially the Iraqi military at the cost of US.

  18. Smith says:

    fyi,

    I am curious if you are familiar with Col. Boyd’s work?

  19. Smith says:

    Question: Why no Iranian woman can ever give birth to such a man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5c3yMy-llA

  20. kooshy says:

    Unlike the situation in Iraq I don’t think Iran is too worried if Afghanistan is separated, between the Pashtuns and Tajiks Hazara, will the new country have Herat as its capital? Is that what is worrying Kerry that he is planning to go there (announced) this Friday?

    I think the Iranians, Russians and Chines can indirectly support the Idea, and Indians may not support a separation. After the NATO forces have left the Afghanistan is very possible to make a separation to avoid another civil war there.

  21. Smith says:

    A rare step in the right direction: http://djavadsalehi.com/2014/07/03/micro-data-for-analysis-of-irans-economy/

    Without transparency, there can be no honesty.

  22. Smith says:

    اهمیت تاریخ ایران برای روحانیان : http://khabaronline.ir/detail/363809/weblog/jafarian

    Exactly as fyi has been saying.

  23. fyi says:

    Smith says:

    July 8, 2014 at 3:37 pm

    No.

    I will look into it, thanks.

    In regards to the importance of study of History of Iran & Islam -

    If you ever go to Istanbul, you will notice that Turkey, probably together with Iran the most advanced Muslim polity – has nothing in way of the Fine Arts comparable to Iran’s – not in architecture, not in ceramic and tile works, in music – there is nothing there that cannot be traced directly to Iran as well as such areas as Samarghand and Bukhara.

    In poetry, there is nothing – excepting Nazim Hikmat & İsmet Özel – there is no classical heritage of poetry there when they discarded Ottoman Persian in favor of crude Turkish. You can walk into a book store and see translations of Mathnavi and Shahnameh into Turkish but cannot find much other than them in Turkish.

    In essence, the History of Civilization of Islam is the History of Civilization of Iran – barring some architectural innovations in Anatolia, Levant and Egypt in mosques, a single philosopher in Maghreab, a single historian, also from Maghreb, and a few Arabic poets such as the late Al Muttanabih and the late Abil Al’a Al Mua’arri.

    Why do you think, outside of Punjab, Muslims dislike Iran?

    Everything they touch that is of any worth has its roots there.

  24. Smith says:

    fyi says:
    July 8, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    Yes, that is so true. Even inside Iran there are people who dislike Iran. They have illusions that vary from “Humanism” to “Islamic Brotherhood”.

  25. Smith says:

    Nowadays, the word “production” has become the buzzword in Iran. But do these people know what production actually is?

    Production is the fruit of fusion of society with technology. As it happens in Toyota Production System: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjdil2nBCf0

    All industrialists, engineers and managers in Iran should study Toyota Production System.

  26. kooshy says:

    I know Dr Jafariean, I had discussions with him, he is very knowledgeable informed shieh cleric, specially on history of Islam and Shieh, he is well informed in geopolitics of the Islam and the region. It should be noted that his criticisms of the traditions or trends in Islam and Iran is not in same context which our resident Heifa man wants to utilizes as a tool to discourage or downgrade the image of Iran and Iranians, he is not trying to gain politics pointing them out.
    Mr Jafarian for many years was head of the Majles Library as well as professor of history in UT, his history of Shieh is an important research book.

  27. kooshy says:

    I encourage everybody ton”listen” to ayatollah Khamenie’ yesterday speech to the government leaders, IMO it is one of most direct sincere, technical speeches he has made. I hope the translated text becomes available soon.

  28. Irshad says:

    Fyi & others,

    We all know, Turkey is directly involved in the Syrian bloodbath, but are they supporting Isis in Iraq? If yes, what do they get out of destabilising Iraq? Or are they been compelled to do so by the mad king and his barons, interwined with Erdogans ego for Turkish Isamic politics to be a model for Arab countries?

  29. kooshy says:

    Irshad says:
    July 8, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    “We all know, Turkey is directly involved in the Syrian bloodbath, but are they supporting Isis in Iraq?”

    IMO indirectly yes they do whatever they can do destabilize Iraq/Syria and Lebanon if they can, think of it as Taliban and Pakistan , Pakistan military helps hides AL-Q Taliban for what good end? Only for her near region geopolitics, in same way Turkey and her bosses can’t tolerate Iran’s regional ascendency and geopolitical rise, besides, on historic interest level, Turkey don’t want to see a line of Iran allied countries separating her from the rest of Muslim world/Middle East. Look, the same Turkey that didn’t permit US use her land connection to attack Iraq, after Iraq was politically lost to Iran (do to obvious historic majority religious connections) as an anti-hegemony ally, it is now more than willing to overtly support removing of the Syrian government or the Iraq elected PM which she was or is doing business with more than any other country. They don’t have much choice since they are financially slaved to the western system. In mean time they are between their major energy supplier (Iran and Russia) and their financial and security protectors, there is not much room to make a good move is there?

  30. Nasser says:

    A good and refreshingly honest analysis as to why no rapprochement can ever take place between the US and Islamic Republic.

    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/machiavelli-not-metternich-the-pipe-dream-realignment-iran-10833

    “Every bullet Iran and ISIS fire against one another is a bullet not targeted at the United States. Regardless of the outcome, the quagmire will allow the United States to curb Iranian power at minimal cost.”

  31. Nasser says:

    “U.S. Sanctions May Aid Russian Reform” by Dmitri Trenin

    “US-led sanctions can also jolt the Russian economy out of its complacent reliance on oil and gas. Russia could use the new regime to begin its long-delayed re-industrialization. As they say in Russia, misfortune can give something which fortune has failed to give – a powerful impetus – in this case, to wean off the image of being “Saudi Arabia with snow” and start building a modern economy. If this really happens, the Russians should be thankful to the Obama administration.”

    http://carnegie.ru/2014/07/07/u.s.-sanctions-may-aid-russian-reform/hfav

  32. kooshy says:

    From the article Nasser posted
    “the United States should focus the lion’s share of its men and money where it can do some good, by strengthening regional allies, such as Jordan and Saudi Arabia, against the forces of instability in Iraq and Syria.”

    Hoe effective you may be able to do that when Iraq and Syria have been taken over by ISIS, one should ask this guy did you consider the past similar experience with Taliban/ Afghanistan “bleeding USSR till it becomes white” was that propping up of the extremist had anything to do with 911?

    Nasser-this guy is a really good analyst but just a little too closet neocon like the Zbig. Sometimes I sense that people in the west including some of xes, hate Iran and her system so much that they don’t care how much they can damage themselves just to bleed Iran.

  33. kooshy says:

    Thomas Vien is a graduate of the George H.W. Bush School of Public Service at Texas A&M University, where he studied US national security policy.

    Sorry I shouldn’t have expect better

  34. Nasser says:

    kooshy says: July 9, 2014 at 2:19 am

    If 9/11 couldn’t make the Americans rethink their relationship with the Shias and Iranians, nothing else possibly can. Whether such attitude is driven by prejudice, irrational anger over historical humiliation, or determination to make an example is utterly irrelevant. What is relevant is that so reconciliation between the two countries is possibly in the foreseeable future; and further the US will do all it can to harm Iran and its friends.

    In fact all indications are that US will leave Afghanistan after reaching some sort of understanding with the Taliban. This can only be against Iran’s interest and against the interests of Iran’s friends in that country. I agree with you that a partition of that country will be in Iran’s interest and furthermore I think it would eventually allow for reincorporation of Herat back to Iran.

    Thomas Vien unlike most in the halls of power in the US is not engaging in crude propaganda and obfuscation but is being refreshingly honest about his country’s intentions and future course of action. Iranians should thank him for the heads up. And Iranian leaders should better communicate this to their public.

  35. M. Ali says:

    “We have no indications that there are Iranian ground troops inside Iraq,” Admiral Kirby told reporters at the Pentagon. “What I’ve said before remains true today: that we know that there are some Iranian operatives — Quds operatives inside Iraq that are training and advising some Iraqi security forces, but more critically, Shia militia.”

    “We understand that Iraq, as a sovereign nation, has that right to reach out to a neighbor if they see fit to ask for that support. What we’ve said — and nothing’s changed about what we’ve said — we’re not going to coordinate our military activities with Tehran,” Admiral Kirby said”

    Whats interesting about this is that Iran was always “meddling”, but now its okay if Iran goes into Iraq.

    Something is changing historically…

  36. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Meet the Muslim-American Leaders the FBI and NSA Have Been Spying On

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/07/09/under-surveillance/

    “The spreadsheet shows 7,485 email addresses listed as monitored between 2002 and 2008.”

    • Faisal Gill, a longtime Republican Party operative and one-time candidate for public office who held a top-secret security clearance and served in the Department of Homeland Security under President George W. Bush;

    • Asim Ghafoor, a prominent attorney who has represented clients in terrorism-related cases;

    • Hooshang Amirahmadi, an Iranian-American professor of international relations at Rutgers University;

    • Agha Saeed, a former political science professor at California State University who champions Muslim civil liberties and Palestinian rights;

    • Nihad Awad, the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the largest Muslim civil rights organization in the country.

    “Amirahmadi is a professor at Rutgers University, where he has been on the faculty since 1983, and is the former director of the school’s Center for Middle Eastern Studies. He is also the founder and president of the American Iranian Council, a nonprofit group devoted to public policy research on the relationship between the U.S. and Iran, and the president of Caspian Associates, a consulting firm that works with developing nations.

    The AIC is affiliated with many senior U.S. government officials and diplomats. Its honorary board includes former Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala and former Deputy Secretary of State Thomas Pickering, and its board of directors include former Senator J. Bennett Johnston and former Assistant Secretary of State Richard Murphy. Past directors include Cyrus Vance and Sargent Shriver. Vice President Joe Biden, Madeleine Albright, Secretary of State John Kerry, and Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel have all spoken at events organized by Amirahmadi.

    Amirahmadi has dual citizenship as an American and an Iranian. A secularist, he has twice launched quixotic candidacies to become the president of Iran (in 2005 and again in 2013) as a statement against the Iranian political establishment. He was prevented both times from appearing on the ballot by the Guardian Council, which controls the election process in Iran.

    Amirahmadi holds many Western liberal views, describing homosexuality as a “non-problem” and pledging during his last campaign to name a female vice president. He has said that “every Iranian citizen regardless of their religion, ethnicity, race, color, gender … are equal in front of the law.” He has been a strong advocate for improving ties between the U.S. and Iran, and he vehemently opposes any attempt by Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon. He also recognizes the validity of Israel’s right to exist as a sovereign state. “Israel is a reality,” he says. “It has to be recognized as a reality.”

    But mixed in with those conventional pro-Western views, Amirahmadi has voiced substantial dissent from America’s foreign policy toward Iran. Much of his work within the U.S. foreign policy community, in fact, has been devoted to persuading high-level officials that sanctions against Iran, as well as external efforts to bring about regime change, will backfire. In 2007, he defended the regime of Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, claiming in an interview that Iranian connections to terrorism are a “myth” and that “Hezbollah and Hamas are not terrorist organizations, they are defending their country and their nations.” Last year conservative media outlets seized on those comments to mount a campaign against Hagel’s nomination as defense secretary, claiming that his association with Amirahmadi should disqualify him.

    The Wall Street Journal editorial page and other neoconservative outlets also criticized Amirahmadi’s connections to the Alavi Foundation, a U.S. charity that federal investigators believe is controlled by Iran. The foundation donated money to Amirahmadi’s program at Rutgers, and has made similar contributions to Persian culture programs at Harvard University, Columbia University, and other schools.

    Leaders in the Iranian expatriate community say privately that Amirahmadi cultivated ties to the Ahmadinejad regime in order to raise his profile as a potential broker of détente between the U.S. and Iran. The sources also note that he was in regular contact with the State Department over the past decade, and was an unlikely candidate for the role of foreign spy.

    Amirahmadi, who does not self-identify as a Muslim and describes himself as an atheist, believes that the NSA surveillance was motivated by his diplomatic work, not his religious heritage. While he considers the surveillance to be illegal and has no objection to it being made public, he declined to comment further on the matter. His surveillance began in August 2007, with a second email account added in November of that year and a third in February 2008. The government’s apparent monitoring of Amirahmadi’s emails was still marked as “sustained” as of May 2008.”

    “I just don’t know why,” says Gill, whose AOL and Yahoo! email accounts were monitored while he was a Republican candidate for the Virginia House of Delegates. “I’ve done everything in my life to be patriotic. I served in the Navy, served in the government, was active in my community—I’ve done everything that a good citizen, in my opinion, should do.”

    Even a U.S. citizen like Faisal Gill, who served his country both in the armed forces and in the White House, found himself spied on by his own government. “I was a very conservative, Reagan-loving Republican,” he says. “If somebody like me could be surveilled, then [there are] other people out there I can only imagine who are under surveillance.

    “I went to school here as a fourth grader – learned about the Revolutionary War, learned about individual rights, Thomas Jefferson, all these things,” he continues. “That is ingrained in you – your privacy is important. And to have that basically invaded for no reason whatsoever – for the fact that I didn’t do anything – I think that’s troubling. And I think that certainly goes to show how we need to shape policy differently than it is right now.”

  37. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    “Whatever the merits of the process, it is clear that at least some of the law enforcement officials involved in it harbored conspiratorial and bigoted views about Americans of Muslim descent. John Guandolo, the former counterterrorism agent who was active at the time several of the five identified Americans were monitored, provides a candid view of that mindset. Asked by The Intercept about the men, he responded with a series of uncorroborated accusations, suggesting that many of them are part of a vast Muslim conspiracy to infiltrate and topple the United States from within.

    To hear Guandolo tell it, Faisal Gill, the former homeland security official under Bush, was “a major player in the Muslim Brotherhood in the United States.” Asim Ghafoor, Gill’s fellow attorney, is “a jihadi” who was “directly linked to Al Qaeda guys” simply because of his representation of the Al Haramain Foundation. “He had knowledge of who they were and what they were doing,” Guandolo says. (Such logic would subject every lawyer representing defendants accused of terrorism to government surveillance.) To Guandolo, Agha Saeed was yet another secret operative for the Muslim Brotherhood. “He’s a pretty senior guy with them,” Guandolo says, “affiliated with several groups.” (“That’s a big lie,” Saeed says, “and given my life history, absurd” because he has “always been a leftist.”)

    Such far-fetched accusations don’t bear serious scrutiny, given Guandolo’s increasingly bizarre and paranoid views since leaving the FBI. (Last year, for instance, he told a talk-radio host that CIA director John Brennan secretly converted to Islam and is a tool of Saudi intelligence.) But during his tenure at the FBI, Guandolo worked on cases to obtain FISA warrants, and his anti-Islamic views were deemed acceptable enough to be reflected in basic training materials within the bureau.”

  38. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Jay,

    When a state is monitoring literally everything and can use whatever it obtained to “prosecute” us without due process and when the political process is only their to protect corporations, the wealthy and Zionists- the appropriate ethical and logical response by mentally healthy individuals is to overthrow this state.

    Any other response is an indication of serious mental illness.

  39. fyi says:

    Irshad says:

    July 8, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    I cannot delineate how much Mr. Erdogan’s own motivations as an MB leader contributed to his decision to help destroy the Ba’ath state in Syria and how much it was caused by real dependence of Turkish economy on EU banks – a dependence that had increased during AKP rule.

    But I need to bring up the fact that the disdain and distrust exhibited by the government of Iran towards the private sector over the last 35 years must also be considered – for by keeping Iranian private economy weak and undercapitalized the Iranian leaders made certain that Iran did not have the economic power to bail out Turkey when the need came.

  40. fyi says:

    Nasser says:

    July 9, 2014 at 3:16 am

    ISIS will be destroyed, I have no doubt – in time.

    The key thing for Iran and the Shia Crescent is to consolidate their gains and move on to rebuild their economies and polities; as the moon shines and the dog barks.

    As for Mr. Vein, he is no Machiavelli – if he were , he would know that US has no national interest in the Middle East that could be rationally defined and understood.

  41. kooshy says:

    Nasser says:
    July 9, 2014 at 3:16 am

    kooshy says: July 9, 2014 at 2:19 am

    Nasser – I was criticizing his analysis and policy recommendation as per his paper to (supposedly) increase and protect the US long term interests, my criticism of him and others including Expatriate Iranians is this: for majority of US policy makers/recommenders injuring, wounding, damaging IRI, and Iran at any price to us gets precedence and is worthy no matter how much US is damaged as a result, consequence or blowback that is why I used the comparison of US policy toward USSR using Afghanistan and Taliban and AL-Q.

    As far as the issue of an strategic reconciliation with US goes, yes this is correct, there will be none, he is right Iran knows this well since 1979 (just listen to Ay Khamenei’s speech 2 days ago which for exact this reason I said everyone should listen to) he (Ay. Khamenei) specifically and directly says that no alignment, strategic cooperation between these two countries with the format of IRI will be possible or accepted by US or for IRAN or vice versa. For US is the old empire seekers domino theory and for the Iran (even if accepted as an independent regional power) is a bad name US has got himself to be allied with in lieu of Iran’s Sunni majority street neighbors who you don’t want to agitate any further than you normally get as a shieh.

  42. kooshy says:

    BibiJon you have been quite in a while, hope you are around, and soon we can read your useful comments and posts again.

  43. fyi says:

    All:

    Dr. Cordesman on the Middle East – significantly taking into account the views of Saudi Arabia:

    http://csis.org/files/publication/140709_New_Great_Game.pdf

  44. Kathleen says:

    Watched the MHP program on Sunday. Hillary you are such a treasure, so brilliant, experienced etc…so appreciate your honesty based on facts. Also glad that MHP joined the better late than never crowd and had you on and focused on this issue. Better late than never from an alleged human rights activist. Been a long time coming on her part. However I was shocked by what seemed to be you going along with what Colonel Jacobs and MHP asserted..Jacobs “we have seen these images (Palestinian kid being beaten by Israeli forces) before” That is not the case at all. These images have not made it into the MSM…not at all. While we can go on line and look at many (although harder to access now) video clips of Palestinian including children being beaten by the IDF etc this has not been the case for the MSM for decades. Surprised you went along with this myth being fueled. That Americans have seen all of this before…not the Palestinians homes being destroyed, being beaten for decades. Not on the MSM. This is all new.

    Jane (waddling on over to interfere in the Aipac espionage investigation) has been all over MSNBC the last five days. Why is it that individuals who have undermined federal investigations having to do with U.S. national security are given air time as experts? Israeli apologist Aaron David Miller all over the place.

    This morning Joe Scarborough had his head so far up Israel’s ass he will certainly have to come up for air. They had Israeli ambassador Ido Aharoni on singing Israel’s praises and how they can do no wrong all with the silent applause of Mika, Richard Haas and Katty Kay. Brown nose Joe of course took it further by actively encouraging Ido to go even further in his Israel can do no wrong ranting.

    But today (Wednesday) on MSNBC’s Ronan Farrow’s program Aaron David Miller went up against human rights attorney Noura Erakat. The first time I have heard a Palestinian perspective on MSNBC about the latest violence. Noura talked facts…David Miller flipped and told Noura she “needed to get back to planet earth” A must watch.

    Not once over the last five days have I heard Andrea Mitchell etc address how Netanyahu fueled revenge killings, no mention of root causes of conflict, no mention of history of Palestinians being abused for decades by Israeli defense force.

    Again HIllary why did you go along with this myth that Americans have seen this kind of image of Palestinians being beaten by Israeli forces on our MSM? That is not the case at all. And we know this brutal behavior by Israeli forces has been going on for decades

  45. fyi says:

    Kathleen says:

    July 9, 2014 at 3:15 pm

    Yes, against their willful ignorance and propaganda one feels almost hopeless at times.

  46. James Canning says:

    Nasser,

    You think Thomas Vien makes sense, when he applauds bloodletting between Shia and Sunni in Iraq? I think he is a fool.

  47. Smith says:

    Part of the deal: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ny-court-oks-175b-award-iran-terror-cases-24487476

    Might is right. Only a nuclear arsenal can guarantee the survival of weaker nations against the mad king and his cronies. Otherwise they will shoot down your airliner out of the sky and seize your wealth to pay for the missiles.

  48. Nasser says:

    fyi says: July 9, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    Thank you for that article. Dr. Cordesman apparently agrees with Mr. Vien and feels things are going well and the US should just double down on its existing policies. Some of the half hearted attempts at including some bit of fairness and decency within the article like the suggestion of US advocacy for Arab Israeli peace made me chuckle.

    The article did though only add more confirmation to something I have long believed. Axis powers are trying to sabotage Iran’s gains in Iraq. Ideally they want an Iraq hostile to Iran. They judge that to be unachievable under current circumstances. And they are uncontrollably enraged by the fact that they themselves brought about this situation. So they opt for the next best alternative; area denial to Iran. The objective is to prevent the combining of resources of Iran and Iraq, oil and people, to create a more powerful regional entity. Axis powers are not trying to partition Iraq along sectarian lines. If that is what they wanted they could have done so long ago quite easily. What they are trying to do is to wreck the government in place that they judge to be too friendly to Iran. They believe this should be done by reducing Shia power within the governing structure in Iraq. That is why all the noise about being inclusive and being nonsectarian. They want enough Sunni saboteurs in place to wreck Iraq’s relations with Iran much like how they used the Banderites in Ukraine.

    But I take heart from the fact that the Axis powers are trying to do too many overly ambitious things and all at once; which make the probability of success of their designs and schemes remote. To quote this from Stratfor: “Deployment of military force, while necessary, is therefore not the core element of the developing Western strategy. Rather, the key move is to take steps to flood the world market with oil — even knowing that implementing this strategy is extremely difficult. It appears likely that once Tehran reaches an agreement with Washington on nuclear weapons, Iran’s oil market will open up, and a major source of oil will flow. Additional Iraqi oil is also moving toward the market, and Libyan production might soon resume. Washington itself wields the most powerful weapon: The United States could reverse its current policy and start exporting oil and liquefied natural gas.” That is a tall order and contains too many moving parts even for an entity as powerful as the Axis Alliance. As if they are the master manipulators and they alone know how to plot and scheme against their enemies.

  49. fyi says:

    All:

    The wonderful economic conditions after the destruction of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.

    http://news.yahoo.com/special-report-no-pay-thousands-balkans-091139720.html

  50. fyi says:

    Nasser says:

    July 10, 2014 at 4:29 am

    Yes, Hubris is the foundation of their policies with full expectation of eventual victory.

    As we speak, both Korea and Japan are experiencing blackouts – is it due to absence of Iranian oil?

    Who knows.

  51. Nasser says:

    The comment I posted on July 10, 2014 at 4:29 am included a quote on how the West will try to use increased oil output from Iran, Iraq, Libya and the US itself to bankrupt the Russian Federation. I mistakenly left the Russian aspect out of the quote.

    The quote is from this article from Stratfor:
    http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/borderlands-view-beyond-ukraine#axzz374ix96Nv

  52. Nasser says:

    Dmitri Trenin writes “The Ukraine Crisis and the Resumption of Great-Power Rivalry”

    - “The Ukraine crisis was not an isolated spat or a tragic misunderstanding, but rather the last straw—for both sides.”

    http://carnegie.ru/2014/07/09/ukraine-crisis-and-resumption-of-great-power-rivalry/hfgs#

  53. fyi says:

    Nasser says:

    July 10, 2014 at 10:23 am

    There is snow ball’s chance in Hell of US being able to orchestrate an oil price war against Russian oil producers – Iran & Iraq will not participate in such a war in any event (Iran is already in Russia-China Orbit).

    In regards to the first sentence of the last paragraph: “…From the U.S. point of view, a Western-oriented but neutral Ukraine would create a buffer zone without forcing a confrontation with Russia…” nothing can be further from the Truth.

    US position is not to accept a neutral Ukraine – which is what had obtained for the last 20 years. I mean, if so why try to destabilize Ukrainian government. I think US was trying to do the same thing that she did in Iran in 1953.

  54. fyi says:

    Nasser says:

    July 10, 2014 at 10:25 am

    So, Mr. Trennin states that the Western Civilization is in an indefinite confrontation with the Eastern Orthodox Civilization – once again.

    And we also have the Western Civilization in an indefinite confrontation with the core state of the Muslim Civilization – Iran – and her allies.

    And I suppose in the fullness of time we will have the very same Western Civilization be in confrontation with the Sinic Civilization as well.

    So, we will have Western Civilization (a.k.a. Axis Powers, a.k.a. NATO) be in an indefinite confrontation in 3 fronts for exactly what purpose? A Video-game like World Domination?

    All had been predicted by the late Mr. Huntington – their Hubris never cases to amaze me.

  55. Nasser says:

    fyi says: July 10, 2014 at 11:00 am

    “And I suppose in the fullness of time we will have the very same Western Civilization be in confrontation with the Sinic Civilization as well.”

    - I have my fingers crossed :)

  56. Nasser says:

    fyi says: July 10, 2014 at 10:34 am

    I very strongly disagree with that article.

    I don’t believe Iran’s soft power has suffered. Bigoted Sunni Arabs have always hated and will always hate Iran no matter what Iran does; for Palestine or whatever.

    This article by the same author expresses his real fears. http://thediplomat.com/2014/06/will-iran-play-the-crimea-card-in-iraq/
    As I have argued before the goal is to stop the Shia people of Iran and Iraq to come together and combine their oil resources to create a powerful and internationally significant actor. This union can only be achieved after a partition of Iraq. Otherwise the US will keep trying to use Sunni saboteurs to turn Iraq into an incoherent mess effectively denying the area to Iran. You can substitute Iran for Russia and Iraq for Ukraine and it is the same case in both places.

  57. Nasser says:

    fyi says: July 10, 2014 at 10:40 am

    So the US government expects Iran to help them eject Mr. Maliki and hand over Iraq.

    After which they expect Russian help in taking control of Iran.

    After which they expect to use Iraqi and Iranian help to bankrupt Russia.

    And then maybe they can use the cooperation of all these previous foes to deny oil and help contain China.

    Despite the immense human suffering they cause you have to admit they do have a flare for comedy!

  58. James Canning says:

    Nasser,

    Western oil companies, however large, have no desire to drive down the price of oil.
    The notion is in fact preposterous.

  59. James Canning says:

    The Financial times yesterday had an interesting report on the P5+1 negotiations with Iran in Vienna.

  60. James Canning says:

    Thomas Lippman, at Lobelog.com June 29th: “[King] Abdullah said he would urge Iraq’s Sunni Muslims to join a new, more inclusive government in Baghdad. . .
    “Abdullah did not specifically say that any new government would have to exclude Maliki.”

  61. Smith says:

    No matter how fast, how long and how humble, the donkey runs towards the carrot; the rotting carrot is going to remain 5 feet away from his mouth. Always. Forever: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/07/how-eu-can-lift-iran-sanctions.html

    Only if the donkey knew how to produce his own carrots. That is a big if, though.

  62. Jay says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    July 9, 2014 at 6:50 am

    “Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing [a people] to slavery.” Thomas Jefferson.

  63. Karl.. says:

    So how many arab states is there, around 20,
    so we have like 20 surrounding states and not one of them could help the palestinians in Gaza!? Thats quite amazing. They should be ashamed of themselves!

  64. fyi says:

    Karl.. says:

    July 11, 2014 at 10:11 am

    There is an expression in Arabic to the effect of “Dearth of Leaders”.

    I can only think of 4 Arab leaders in the last 60 years who moved the Arabs forward:

    1 – the late Habib Bourghiba
    2 – the late Hafiz al Assad
    3 – the late Sadat
    4 – Hassan Nasr Allah

    3 of them were dictators and the fourth one a military-political leader; a war lord.

    I would rather deal with Turks any day than with Arabs.

    Arabs, unfortunately it seems to me, are not ready for representative government and what goes with it; the ability to decide among various desirable objectives and setting priorities.

  65. fyi says:

    Rehmat says:

    July 10, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    To paraphrase the late Mr. Kennedy’s inaugural speech:

    “Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of Israel”.

    Or, alternatively, that of the late Mr. Goldwater’s 1964 speech:

    “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of Israel is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of Zionism is no virtue.”

    Now all of this acceptable – per late Molavi’s adage of “Jesus to His religion and Moses to His” – if Axis Powers were willing to settle the war in Palestine or at least agree to acceptable parameters of a cease fire.

    But they are not willing to settle; it seems to me.

  66. fyi says:

    Karl.. says:

    July 11, 2014 at 10:11 am

    Update:

    UAE has announced a donation of $ 25 million to the people of Gaza.

  67. Empty says:

    RE: “An assessment on Iran’s choices:
    http: // nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/iranians-are-terrified-irans-isis-nightmare-10856

    The author, Esfandiary, has a shallow understanding of Iran’s worldview with respect to the region as a whole, its strategic calculation, and very real choices it has. Therefore, the author assessment of how Iran is perceiving the wars, the supposed fears, and its choices is rather superficial and does not match the reality. Neither does she provide any solid evidence to support her assertions.

    Iranians believe the plan for Iraq already failed just as the one for Syria did. Any hardship that Iraqis endure will only serve to strengthen the connection with Iran. Full stop. Just like Syria, very few are seeing the end of the story and most others must just wait and see.

  68. fyi says:

    Empty says:

    July 11, 2014 at 11:55 am

    I agree with you and I think that US-based analysts, for the most part, are both ill-informed as well as full of deep prejudices that prevents them from an accurate assessment of the situation.

    The absence of trenchant and accurate understanding contributes to the destructive policies of the Axis Powers and their local cohorts.

  69. James Canning says:

    At Lobelog.com this week, David Collier has good insight on the way forward if no deal is achieved this month in Vienna: “Linking the US and Iran.

  70. James Canning says:

    The Financial Times today has an excellent report explaining the weakness of the Iraqi army.

  71. James Canning says:

    Karl..,

    What do you think Arab countries can and should do to “help” the Palestinians in Gaza?

  72. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 11, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    The first thing they can do is to stop their war and antagonism against Iran – the core of their civilization.

    The second thing they can do is to call – together with Iran – an emergency meeting of UNSC.

    The third thing they can do is to call for an emergency session of the OIC.

    The fourth thing they can do is to publicly pledge weapons and funds to HAMAS.

    The fifth thing they can do is to pay money to Egypt to open Rafah.

    and the list goes on…

    The Persian Gulf Arabs will certainly not do anything lest they get sanctioned by US and EU and their access to luxury goods and expensive prostitutes would be endangered…

  73. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    I doubt that the Palestinians in Gaza are likely to benefit from provision of weapons by Arab countries.

    I do think a deal between P5+1 and Iran would benefit the Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank and in other countries too.

  74. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    July 11, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    For that, Western leaders must stop their war against Iran.

    That will not happen.

  75. Karl.. says:

    fyi

    I agree with you, same goes for palestinians themselves, do they want to be occupied?
    Maybe they dont care anymore?Same goes for the palestinian leader abu mazen, he’s like the arab version of ban ki moon.

  76. fyi says:

    Karl.. says:

    July 11, 2014 at 2:07 pm

    No, he is the Arab version of the late Petin of Vichy France, or the late Aisin-Gioro Puyi of Manchu-Ko.

    And the Axis Powers are oblivious the extent to which they are recapitulating the experience of the Third Reich & Imperial Japan in the Middle East in pursuit of their religious and civilizational fantasies.

  77. Nasser says:

    Their schemes laid out. I love it when they bare their racist bigoted fangs. Their fake moralizing is what I can’t stand:
    http://www.the-american-interest.com/garfinkle/2014/07/11/mullah-dreams-not-counting-sheep/

  78. kooshy says:

    fyi says:
    July 11, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    Empty says:
    July 11, 2014 at 11:55 am

    “I agree with you and I think that US-based analysts, for the most part, are both ill-informed as well as full of deep prejudices that prevents them from an accurate assessment of the situation.”

    In my judgment, the problem with US/western policy makers/analysts is due to after effect of the self-exceptionalism that they are raised with and are made to believe. As a result of this believe they are incapable of understanding, grasping, digesting how much US’s international policies are hated and disliked specifically in the Middle East.

    Often we read in the western press that travelers say oh, Iranians love the Americans, love our culture our way of life they took us to their home and treated us with respect and sweats, correct but realistically did they care to think why that treatment was unexpected, and when you encounter this reaction by Iranians do you have to expand this to entire American ways of life and the American policy in the Middle East and beyond.

    As a related example for what I mean here:
    Through my life, I have talked and encountered with a lot of American/westerners, even famous western ME studies scholars who had traveled to Iran and even lived there for a while, almost every time when one deeps down in conversation to understand why the westerner is /was surprised and did not expect this treatment form the Iranian host/counterpart, and why he or she thought the Iranians would treat them the way “which” they didn’t expected. Unsurprisingly, one will only come to believe that the reason the westerner believed and was surprised of his/her treatment by the Iranians was due to his/her exceptionality (for Iranians this is due to curiosity for knowing other people) but the westerner since he or she is raised to believe that they are exceptional (superior/higher/above all) they misunderstand the curiosity of the Iranian mind as their superiority which is their exceptionalism that they are raised to believe and everyone else can only be an amazed servant. This mind set has the effect of making US and her people not to understand why the US and her policies can be hated, which by itself intensifies the contradictions.

  79. Karl.. says:

    fyi

    About OIC
    http://presstv.com/detail/2014/07/11/370868/iran-urges-oic-to-stop-israel-crimes/
    But the arab states dont give damn apparently.

  80. Karl.. says:

    Soon the deadline for reaching a deal is about to end between Iran/US.

    What will happen if they dont find a deal?

    Will they prolong the talks? More sanctions?

  81. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    A deal between Iran and P5+1 would mean no war between “the West” and Iran. Israel lobby would still try to block good relations between the US and Iran.

  82. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Supreme Leader’s Speech in Meeting with Government Officials

    http://english.khamenei.ir//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1930

    As always a cut above the rest:

    “You should know that this era of the history of the Revolution will be one of the most prominent historical eras in the history that will be discussed by future generations. In this materialistic world, in the world of the domination of superpowers and in the world of widespread hostility towards Islam and towards Islamic teachings and values, a system has been created based on Islam and in an area where the agents of deviating powers had exerted more influence than any other area in the world.

    This is a strange event. You and I have gotten used to it. This is the same as “If you help the cause of Allah, He will help you and make firm your feet”. You will not falter, as we did not. The people of Iran did not falter. There have been so many pressures, so many plots, so many cruelties and so much unfairness, but the people of Iran did not change their minds. This is one of the divine traditions.”

    “What I want to say in this part of my speech – which is the main part – is that today, we should not make a mistake in our calculations. You should not let the enemy influence your calculation system. You should not let him tempt you. You should not let him influence you with his temptations or threats.

    Today, the battle between the Islamic Republic – which began with the victory of the Revolution and which is continuing with the same strength – is the same battle that existed between the prophets and the shaitans of the time, who were from among men and jinns. We are after lofty ideals. We are after forming an Islamic community, an Islamic government, an Islamic country and an Islamic ummah. We are after achieving the goals that great prophets, saints and martyrs pursued.

    And the satanic regimes of the time have formed one front and they are naturally opposed to such a movement. This is why they create obstacles and make threats. Despite the glamour of this front and its superficial and material splendor, this divine and prophet-like movement is taking its path and moving forward. It is exerting influence and it is expanding and developing on a daily basis.

    Today, what we witness in the behavior of global arrogance is this. Its goal is to create disruption in our calculation system. In other arenas, arrogance has failed. It has failed to do anything. In real arenas, only two material factors have been available to the camp of arrogance: one is military threats and another is sanctions. Arrogance has nothing except for these two things. The hands of arrogance are tied in terms of the power of reason and logic and the capability to prove its legitimacy. It can only carry out two tasks: one is to issue military threats – this is a task that it constantly carries out – and another is to impose sanctions.

    And there are two cures for these. Sanctions can be counteracted with diligence in the area of the economy of resistance. The points that the honorable President raised today had been raised by him before and they are completely true. Economic plans should be prepared, pursued and implemented with the assumption that sanctions will remain there.

    Imagine that sanctions will not be lifted at all. Well, this is what they themselves are saying as well. They too say that sanctions will not be touched. Even from this moment, they have begun saying, “Even if we reach a deal on the nuclear issue, it does not mean that all sanctions will be lifted. There are still other issues to be resolved”.

    This is what we have always said. I have repeatedly said in this meeting and different other meetings that the nuclear issue is an excuse. Even if the nuclear issue did not exist, they would make other excuses. For example, there is the issue of human rights and the issue of women. They fabricate many different issues. Fabricating and making excuses is not a demanding job. Moreover, the propaganda apparatus and empire is in their hands. Therefore, the cure for the issue of sanctions is the economy of resistance. Later on, I will discuss a few points in this regard.

    As for the issue of military threats, there are very few people in today’s world who take these military threats seriously. Of course, the Americans say, “The Iranians do not take it seriously”. But it is not only us who do not take it seriously. There are many people in the world who do not take this threat seriously. Global spectators do not believe that this threat is a serious one because the opinion of global spectators and those who have a political awareness is that if it were economical for America to launch an attack, it would not hesitate even for one moment.”

    “They cannot change our calculations. From the first day, the calculations of the Islamic Republic have been based on reason and logic. The elements that have formed these calculations are these: the first one is trust in God and the traditions of creation. The second one is distrusting the enemy and knowing him. One of the factors in reliance on God and the traditions of creation is trust in the people and their faith, trust in affection and kindness, trust in pure motives, trust in the people’s honesty – our magnanimous Imam (r.a.) was the manifestation of this kind of trust – belief in self-confidence and the fact that we can, reliance on action, avoidance of idleness, trust in divine assistance, reliance on responsibility and effort on the path of responsibility.

    From the first day until today, these have been the things that have formed the basis and the infrastructure of the elements of the reasonable Islamic Republic. You should refer to Imam’s (r.a.) statements. His statements are imbued with these concepts and teachings: benefitting from experience – including the way arrogant powers have behaved towards weak nations – and diligence for the sake of independence, remaining independent and living in an independent way.

    What does independence mean? Some people find faults with the essence and meaning of independence? They ask, “What does such independence mean?” Independence means freedom from the will of foreigners and other people. This is the meaning of independence. Can any reasonable mind deny this? The meaning of independence is that a people should be able to determine their own fate.”

    “Recently, I read something interesting somewhere. An American expert has said, “Reconciliation between Iran and America is possible, but it is not possible between the Islamic Republic and America”. He is right. Not only is reconciliation with the kind of Iran that is led by the Pahlavi family – which makes everything available to the Americans – possible, but it is also necessary. It is even necessary to do something beyond reconciliation for this kind of Iran. The issue is the issue of the Islamic Republic. The Islamic Republic means independence, freedom, commitment to Islamic faith, movement on the path of Islam, refusal to give in to the enemies’ impositions and invitation to the unity of the Islamic Ummah.

    This is the exact opposite of what they want. Of course, they are unfriendly towards this kind of Iran. Well, this was the main issue that I wanted to discuss: we should not forget about self-confidence, faith and action. We should not forget about resistance against laziness, carelessness, idleness and exhaustion. These are the lessons of the month of Ramadan.

    I would like to offer some pieces of advice. One piece of advice is addressed to all officials. Taking a look at the political conditions of the world and the region shows us that we are at a sensitive point. You should know that today, there is a historical turn in the real sense of the word. If you are not strong, you will be bullied not only by America and the west but also by a creature named Saddam. If you are not strong, you will be bullied and you will suffer from their impositions. You should be strong.

    What are the elements of strength? How can we understand and accept that we are strong? These are the elements of strength: High morale, hopefulness, hard work and diligence, identifying economic, cultural and security rifts – you should identify and see these rifts – cooperation between different organizations in charge of affairs and cooperation between these organizations and the people. This is one piece of advice which is addressed to everyone.”

    “The last issue is the issue of the region and Iraq which is, in fact, a fitna. By Allah’s favor, the religious people of Iraq will manage to extinguish and destroy this fitna. By Allah’s favor, regional nations will move towards growth and material and spiritual transcendence on a daily basis.”

  83. James Canning says:

    Bussed-In Basiji,

    The foolish “American expert” who claimed there cannot be normal relations between Iran and the US, unless the current government is overthrown, wasn’t named by Khamenei in his comments you just posted.

  84. kooshy says:

    Karl.. says:
    July 11, 2014 at 4:08 pm
    “Soon the deadline for reaching a deal is about to end between Iran/US.

    What will happen if they dont find a deal?”

    Karl
    In my opinion, for what I have read and observed from Iranian policy makers and political leaders specially the recent speeches by SL, if no deal on nuclear issue can be reached it no longer matters. That is with the historic understanding that the leaders of Iran have
    on western policy toward Iran, the risk of failure was heavily calculated.
    In their calculation Iran in either way has achieved something of importance.
    In case of failure of a deal Iran thinks she has proven to the Iranians and the world “the real international community” that no matter how flexible she can be she still can’t satisfy the real demands of her counter parts unless she gives up her rights and sovereignty which it cannot be acceptable
    even to her hardcore internal opposition.
    She prove the other sides real issue is not nuclear both internally and externally.

    On the other hand if a deal is made, Iran has shown to the Iranians and the world that a single non major power without allies in UNSC can stand to all 5 of veto powers, and force them to accept her’s and all of the other nation’s international sovereign rights.

    In Iran’s mind she wouldn’t lose no matter what. In this case pleasure of losing a deal is all westerner’s. One other thing that westerners often don’t understand about Iranians and I mean every one of the is that, Iranians are, and understand politics to and in their bones, this I guess must have to do with a national concise on how to be geopolitically claver to endure.

  85. kooshy says:

    BiB

    I don’t know who translated this but when I listened to the tape of this speech I don’t think SL meant “economical” I think he meant “beneficial” as economical is monetary but I think his intention was no geopolitical benefit for US

    “those who have a political awareness is that if it were economicalfor America to launch an attack, it would not hesitate even for one moment.”

    I think those who translate Iranian leaders speeches they have a great responsibility of correctly transferring the thoughts and not just words. May be they should use our own Empty he is good on that.

  86. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    kooshy-jan,

    I agree, but one could also make the case that when it comes to the US, “economical” and “beneficial” is exactly the same thing.

    No separation of economy and geopolitics for US elites.

    Given the generally shitty quality of English translations in Iranian officialdom, the folks translating Agha have done an excellent job when you look at the archives in the site.

    Hey at least there’s good translation where it matters most, right?

    Also, I think Agha’s discourse is at a level that makes any translation very challenging. Having done translation work professionally many moons ago, I can tell you that translation is more an art rather than a science.

  87. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Jay,

    Certainly hasn’t been “accidental opinion of a day” for decades now.

    When Americans start imagining something other than this federal union they are in currently, things can start moving in a positive, healthy direction.

  88. fyi says:

    kooshy says:

    July 11, 2014 at 3:37 pm

    I think the fundamental assumption of the Western thinkers and policy makers, even such dissenters as the late Karl Marx, has been the Normative of European History.

    That the European experience, in spite of all its achievements, is probably fluke, a rarity, when compared to the history of any other culture/civilization, extant or extinct, is an idea that is inconceivable to most Euro-American thinkers as well as the general population.

    This ideas was the so ubiquitous that non-Western people absorbed it too; from the late Peter the Great to the late Tqaizadeh or the late Yen Fu; the only people who collectively went a different way were Japanese; who were superbly led at all levels of their leadership before, during, and after the Meiji Restoration.

  89. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Jay,

    Something along these lines…

    “All power to Vermont in its effort to distinguish itself from the USA as a whole, and to pursue in its own way the cultivation of its tradition. My enthusiasm for what you are trying to do…remains undiminished”

    George F. Kennan

    http://vermontrepublic.org/

  90. Sakineh Bagoom says:

    If a mid-level retired government official gets it:

    “In Iran we have big deserts — when it rains the ground cannot absorb the water quickly, so the land becomes blue like the sky,” a retired government official from the foreign ministry of the Islamic Republic explained to me. “The nuclear issue is also a mirage. It is not real. It is not about uranium. It is not about proliferation. It is not about the atom bomb. It is about America’s fight with us and our fight with America.”
    https://news.vice.com/article/the-great-iranian-nuclear-swindle

    And the Ayatoller reiterates it:

    “I have repeatedly said in this meeting and different other meetings that the nuclear issue is an excuse. Even if the nuclear issue did not exist, they would make other excuses. For example, there is the issue of human rights and the issue of women.”
    (h/t BiB)

    Why can’t James get it that this is about ‘baaj sebil daadan” or blackmail and hegemony.

    James,
    In your view what would a deal (since you’ve always known [or if you didn’t, I reminded you] it’s not about U) with P5+1 look like?

    What does each side have to concede [politically since U is an excuse]?

    Again, please don’t respond with leading questions. Take a moment to compose your thoughts and write a few paragraphs. No one liners.

  91. kooshy says:

    Fyi

    I have read a lot about and of Marhoom Taghizadeh, many years back I published his memoirs here in US, a worthy book to read, it’s titled “ stormy life” or Zendegi-e-Tofani. In my judgment he didn’t mean bad, he was a good scholar of Iranshenasi specially during the Kaveh years, he mostly gathered and worked with important scholars of Iran’s later date, including Jamalzadeh, Iranshahr, Alameh Gazvini, and Alameh Dehkhoda, I believe he was a real nationalist especially as an Azari Iranian, but I also think and have argued in past with people who had researched his work and life that he was not a good politician he was always forced and got blamed for things he didn’t believed in, as usual he was a hot headed Azari with too fast getting his blood boiled and losing his head. In short in my opinion he made political mistakes but he didn’t mean to harm Iran, he died with nothing in wealth.

  92. kooshy says:

    fyi says:

    July 11, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    “That the European experience, in spite of all its achievements, is probably fluke”

    Yes it was, just think of it, all the modernization comes and was possible only after the 1492, “what was the achievements before, that where are they” by striking a gold mine a real treasury of untouched wealth that can buy and pay for everything including the best scientist and thinkers colonies to capture more, yes a pure fluke by all means. I believe it was the free wealth of the new world which as admitted was strike by pure luck that made the real European Renaissance possible.

  93. fyi says:

    kooshy says:

    July 12, 2014 at 1:45 am

    Actually, in philosophy & Kalam the Europeans had already surpassed Muslims by the 13 century.

    You can also look at the developments of the science of mechanics during the European Middle Ages.

    By the 15-th century, Europeans had advanced beyond Muslims in such things as simple arithmetic.

    And then you have the European ships of the time – a marvel of technological and managerial innovation.

  94. Karl.. says:

    Looks like US doing everything to make their puppet win in afghan election.

    I also see that Iran is still the only nation in the MENA that condemn israeli attacks.
    http://presstv.com/detail/2014/07/12/370936/iran-slams-un-silence-on-israel-crimes/

  95. fyi says:

    kooshy says:

    July 12, 2014 at 12:06 am

    Thank you for your comments.

    I recall reading that the late Taqizadeh told the MPs to go back to Majlis on the day that the Majlis was bombarded by the Russians, but he himself did not go.

    Not sure what really transpired.

    I have no doubt of his patriotism, or that of the late Shah of Iran, and many other protagonists of the Iran’s bloody political scene over the last 100 years.

    I specially am sorrowful when I contemplate all those fine human beings that had their lives cut short as a consequence of their political activities, however misguided they had been.

  96. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    nico-jan,

    US sends its German bitch/attack dog/manchurian candidate to talk to Merkel about the whole spying fiasco.

    American wet dream in Europe: Cameron in UK, Valls in France, Guttenberg in Germany after Tante Angela is done.

    Guttenberg sprach mit Merkel über NSA-Affäre

    Der Besuch des ehemaligen Verteidigungsministers im Kanzleramt hat für Spekulationen gesorgt. Medien zufolge ging es zwischen Guttenberg und Merkel um den NSA-Skandal.

    http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2013-11/guttenberg-merkel-kanzleramt-nsa

  97. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    “Merkel’s American Minders”

    http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/karl-theodor-zu-guttenberg-on-the-fallout-from-us-spying-on-its-european-allies

    The irony of the title Guttenberg chose for his contribution (if he really wrote it) is lost on him.

  98. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    What’s a disgraced former US agent in Germany who failed miserably to do?

    Of course become a “consultant” to a bitcoin startup!

    http://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/2014-07/guttenberg-beratung-job-ripple-labs

    Hey beats offering your backside to a bunch of bedouins for bags full of pound sterling.

  99. Nasser says:

    “Turkish Shiites fear growing hate crimes”

    - Let us see if they extend such treatment to their Azeri brothers

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/07/tremblay-turkish-shiites-secterian-hate-crime-isis-syria.html#

  100. Nasser says:

    He is at it again! “US and Iran security cooperation could help save Iraq”

    al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/07/managing-iraqs-crisis.html

    My response:

    http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131001135318/walkingdead/images/0/0c/Double_facepalm.jpg

  101. Nasser says:

    A Jew with a conscience commenting on his people

    http://mepc.org/articles-commentary/commentary/atrocity

  102. nico says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:

    “US sends its German bitch/attack dog/manchurian candidate to talk to Merkel about the whole spying fiasco.
    American wet dream in Europe: Cameron in UK, Valls in France, Guttenberg in Germany after Tante Angela is done.”

    Who cares ?
    I mean, the world as we know it is finished.
    We are just living in the illusion of the yesterday world remnants.
    The storm is brewing.and this corrupt political class will be wipped off.

    Japan is finished, the US are finished and Europe is finished.
    The globalization is finished.
    They know it.
    And they eat cake while pushing the day of bankruptcy tomorow and playing choas management everywhere (if I cannot get it, nobody will).

    Do you know that in 2012 Japan more diapers for oldies were sold than for babies ?
    Do you know that at current demographic rate Japan will have its population cut by half in 2050 (so to say tomorow).
    What about their debt ?

    One has to see the demographic trend in Europe. Germany being among the worse.
    What consequence for the inevitable end of the Euro currency ?

    What about the coming end of the petrodollar and USD status.

    The world as we know it is finished.
    And you have the knid of Valls and Cameron dog lapping the US master.

    Pathetic.

  103. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    The quality of life in Japan is going up steadily. A declining population in fact will raise that quality of life even higher.

  104. James Canning says:

    Sakineh,

    I think the P5+1 would accept Iranian enrichment to low levels for purposes of fueling the initial Bushehr nuclear power plant, once the contract with Russia expires. An ability to fuel a second nuclear power plant, once it is built, likely would gain approval too, in my judgment. Same would apply to a third plant, should it get built.

  105. nico says:

    James Canning says :

    “A declining population in fact will raise that quality of life even higher.”

    Your comment only proves that you have in fact not even most basic knowledge in economics.

  106. Sakineh Bagoom says:

    In Farsi we call daft, ablah. Are you ablah?

    Again, what ‘political’ concession does either side have to make for a deal?

    Are you capable of answering that question? I wonder (screaming it’s not about U — proliferation, enrichment, etc.).

  107. Kathleen says:

    HML another great appearance on MSNBC’s Melissa Harris Perry’s. Too bad you were cut off by MHP just before objecting to the persistent mischaracterization by the MSM of Hamas. While the MSM has definitely opened up a bit to covering the Palestinians experience and perspective host like Rachel Maddow, Joy Reid, Chris Mattews, MHPerry, etc covering “root causes” of the “humanitarian crisis” on the U.S. border, meddling in Central American affairs etc…these same pundits will not touch the “root causes” of the “humanitarian crisis” in the middle east.

    Will not bring up the ongoing expansion of illegal settlements, destruction of homes etc. Will not even whisper about these critical “root causes” Never ever show a map of the West Bank.

  108. Empty says:

    RE: “The quality of life in Japan is going up steadily. A declining population in fact will raise that quality of life even higher.”

    Perhaps for a limited period of time and a limited segment of the population and within a narrowly defined framework for “quality of life” until everyone is in adult diapers and no one there to change those diapers. Then they would have to import young “diaper changers” (like they do in Sweden, for example) from other populous countries. After a while, the imported young diaper changers get fed up with the daily tasks of diaper changing and lifting and putting down those “adult Japanese in diapers” and then the elderly abuses get higher and more violent till all the “quality of life” goes down the drain; the Japanese population goes down the drain; the time and resources go down the drain (but the diapers go to a landfill). Finally, the young diaper changing adults from somewhere else replace the Japanese or leave Japan all together. The End.

  109. Karl.. says:

    Now US have began blaming Iran when israel commiting its genocide in Gaza, the incompetence in american administration is really striking.

  110. Karl.. says:

    Isnt the coverage of Israel/Palestine more bias in favour of israel than ever? Or what do you guys think?

  111. James Canning says:

    Empty,

    The Japanese show no tendency to replace the people of Japan with people from another country. I would guess the population will become stable at some point.

  112. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    A stable or slowly declining population does cause some economic stress. On the other hand, uncontrolled population growth causes even more stress.

  113. James Canning says:

    Sakineh,

    I have said many times I think Iran will prosper if a deal can be made with P5+1. And that in turn would promote various deals that otherwise are difficult if not impossible politically.

  114. Karl.. says:

    Cant imagine what I would do if this happend to any relative of mine:
    https://twitter.com/HaneenElQadi/status/487942585361924096

  115. nico says:

    James Canning says:

    “A stable or slowly declining population does cause some economic stress. On the other hand, uncontrolled population growth causes even more stress.”

    Total BS.

  116. Jay says:

    Sakineh Bagoom says:
    July 12, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    No Sakineh Bagoom, James Canning cannot answer the question!

    Much like his supremacist mentors he understands that an honest response implicates his axis masters.

    He knows that this manufactured crisis has nothing to do with enrichment and everthing to do with enslavement. Instead he blames everything on bad PR and the boogyman!

  117. fyi says:

    All:

    From the Independent:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/iraq-crisis-how-saudi-arabia-helped-isis-take-over-the-north-of-the-country-9602312.html

    We read:

    Prince Bandar told him (the head of MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove): “The time is not far off in the Middle East, Richard, when it will be literally ‘God help the Shia’. More than a billion Sunnis have simply had enough of them.”

    I believe this speaks for itself; Iran and the Shia must defend themselves by any means.

    [Axis Powers are now the enemy of the all religious minorities in the World of Islam.

    I think it is fair to say that the only people they genuinely cares about are Jews; outside of NATO - that is.]

  118. Karl.. says:

    fyi

    Isnt it up to iranians to protest and/or decide its culture?
    How should Iran look like? US? China? Ireland? Brazil? Rwanda?

    Let me know!

  119. Rehmat says:

    The so-called “peace process” has always meant to buy time for Israel to grab more Arab lands and suck US taxpayers’ of some more billion dollars.

    On July 10, the world saw the power of Zionist Mafia during the United Nations Security Council meeting to discuss Israel’s latest war on Gaza. Both the UN secretary-general Ban Ki-moon and Israeli ambassador Prosor blamed Hamas for starting the war.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/07/13/sunni-sheikh-arabs-will-fight-israel-if-its-a-shia-entity/

  120. fyi says:

    Karl.. says:

    July 13, 2014 at 11:41 am

    I really do not care what Iranians should look like; what I care about is absence of coercion by the state against individuals in pursuit of some fool’s idea of proper Islamic piety.

    When the late Lotf Ali Khan Zand was captured by the first Qajar Shah, per the old Iranain tradition of pre-Islamic Iran – he was first maimed, blinded in this case.

    Then he was given to the muleteers to be sodomized by them.

    Now, these muleteers almost certainly prayed 5 times a day, fasted during Ramazan/Ramadan and conformed outwardly (beard and all) with some brick-layer’s idea of Islamic piety.

    Per chance, after sodomizing that last Zand prince, they might even have gone and performed the ritual bath required after sex in Islam.

    They were – by such accounts – excellent Muslims – the moral police in Iran or in Saudi Arabia or under Taliban would have had no problem with them.

    But a Muslim woman walking with her child in Tehran gets molested by the moral police.

    The Tehran Police declares that the vehicles of those caught breaking their fast is going to be impounded – in effect creating Law out of thin air – were is Justice in all of this?

    One has to ask: “If state enforcement of public piety was that important then Qajars were perfect rulers of Iran, no?”

    In Istanbul, there are all these women with scarves, going about their businesses, sometimes alone, sometimes together with others who were not wearing scarves.

    Many of them are unmarried are in company of young men – as courting couples – mullahs in Iran would have had a fit.

    Something Iranians need to learn but will not – Islam would be in danger otherwise!

  121. Karl.. says:

    fyi

    Should we support regime change in Iran in your opinion then?

  122. fyi says:

    Karl.. says:

    July 13, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    I have never advocated that.

    But for far too long – 3000 years – it has been the state that has made life miserable for people on the Iranian plateau.

    It is time to make changes.

    For example, take the Islamic duty of “Prevention of Vice and Promotion of Virtue” – which is in the Quran and enshrined in the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran – and apply it to the state.

    In concrete terms it would require the Majlis to develop Laws that govern the exercise of this duty as applied to individual as well as to the state. Perhaps there needs to be an entirely different and separate Court to hear such cases.

    As is, it is primarily used as a justification for harassment of individual Muslims – at times leading to their murder by those who think they are executing God’s Will.

    On the other hand, when a certain student of religion, the so-called “Talabe Sirjani”, blew the whistle – so to speak – and pointed out instance of collusion of the local government officials with land speculators – he was jailed forthwith.

    You have to understand the aims of the Islamic political movements of the last 2 centuries – they were aimed at the restoration Muslim sovereignty and assertion of their political power against European encroachments as well as “Good Governance” – all things based on Justice.

  123. James Canning says:

    Jay,

    You appear to argue that Russia and China, in a conspiracy with Germany and other world powers, is only pretending to be concerned about Iran’s enrichment of uranium to an extent greater than necessary to fuel the Bushehr nuclear power plant when the Russian contract expires. Utter nonsense.

    However, if you are implying that Israel exploits the nuclear dispute for its own purposes, including growing the illegal colonies of Jews in the West Bank, this is true.

  124. James Canning says:

    Nico,

    Are you in effect claiming Egypt’s chronic problems have nothing to do with its oversized population? That India is not overpopulated? Etc etc.

  125. James Canning says:

    Jay,

    You tell me the question Sakineh asked, that I “refuse” to answer.